Why do people build their own PC's?

Nope, sorry. I don't want anyone else monkeying with my setup. I like to purchase each and every part and put together myself so if something goes wrong, I don't point any fingers. Besides, most pc gamers enjoy these problems. I've been hassling with computers since about 1984 and wouldn't pay a cent to have all those problems corrected at the blink of an eye.

If everyone started paying others for labor unable to accomplish themselves then all of a sudden labor would run out. Innovation and achievement would be lost. It's acceptable for some who just don't give a damn, or doesn't have the time, or too old or young to understand. But if you have the time to game, then why not spare a little more and build your pc? If you have the time to understand, their shouldn't be any problems.

Speaking of problems.. life is one big problem after another. Get used to it.

Umm, if Geek Squad charges like 100$ to wipe your comp and put in a card, a private shop is probably more expensive. And besides it's a learning experience and you get to learn how comps work and stuff like that, and how to solve problems by yourself.Hot_Potato

I am not saying that nobody should build their PC's but what i dont understand is people not feeling very comfortable with it but still thinking about it.Thing is you dont need to learn about computer hardware that much.And you can always start with smaller things first rather than builing a PC on your own the very first time.The problems which i see with first time or even experienced builders are just not worth it IMO.

Nope, sorry. I don't want anyone else monkeying with my setup. I like to purchase each and every part and put together myself so if something goes wrong, I don't point any fingers. Besides, most pc gamers enjoy these problems. I've been hassling with computers since about 1984 and wouldn't pay a cent to have all those problems corrected at the blink of an eye.

If everyone started paying others for labor unable to accomplish themselves then all of a sudden labor would run out. Innovation and achievement would be lost. It's acceptable for some who just don't give a damn, or doesn't have the time, or too old or young to understand. But if you have the time to game, then why not spare a little more and build your pc? If you have the time to understand, their shouldn't be any problems.

Speaking of problems.. life is one big problem after another. Get used to it.

Quad-Core

I see every second thread on this forum is somebody having a really annoying problem with their build like everything is right but nothing happens and stuff like that which is extremely furstrating.I say is it really worth it over $50 that you can pay to a shop to build it for you?Thinker_145

If you know how to do it, you could save $50. And actually getting it from major manufacturers saves you a ton of money... A high end gaming rig on dell will cost $2500, you can make one yourself for $1500..

The people who need help don't know how to do it, but want to save hundreds of dollars.

And also, in many of our cases, we enjoy building and working on pc's. It's a hobby.

Wow... why do you create flame threads and try to defend the "wrong" side?
Sure I like to argue but I don't see the point to quite literally throw yourself into a situation where you are at a disadvantage. It is like getting your jollies from being kicked in the nuts.

You must be trying to get your post count up...

You must be trying to get your post count up...

LordEC911

QFT

I see alot of people actually enjoy working on PC's.That news to me but i guess to each his own.Thinker_145

You must be young. Anyhow, PC's already dominate the market as is and in just a few short decades from now I imagine we'll be close to 100% dependant on them. They will be like cars, which pretty much is the case now. You think everyone pays a mechanic to fix this and that on their car?

I'll bet my bottom dollar that even you sometime in your life will fix your own pc, replace parts, and probably build one from scratch. Whether you'll enjoy it or not.. is irrelevant to the fact.

Wow... why do you create flame threads and try to defend the "wrong" side?
Sure I like to argue but I don't see the point to quite literally throw yourself into a situation where you are at a disadvantage. It is like getting your jollies from being kicked in the nuts.

You must be trying to get your post count up...

LordEC911

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.

Why do people work on cars? Why do people knit? Why do people masturbateRayvinAzn

Exactly, I do all of those too!

Oh wait... :P

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

Wow... why do you create flame threads and try to defend the "wrong" side?
Sure I like to argue but I don't see the point to quite literally throw yourself into a situation where you are at a disadvantage. It is like getting your jollies from being kicked in the nuts.

You must be trying to get your post count up...

Thinker_145

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.

I'll bet you those same folks that have horrendously frustrating problems didn't have an extra $50-$100 at the time of build. Maybe they were anxious to play Crysis already? Who knows. But not everyone wants to fork out extra cash.

Do you fork out $50 for every problem or installation in your life?

Will you marry me?

That's ok.If you actually like it then fine obviously.But comon you actually like to deal with problems?Thinker_145

Eh what problems? I have 2 PCs sitting right next to me that took about :45 minutes to put together and maybe another hour to install XP on - they booted up just fine from the get go and I've never had a problem since.

Most of the problems I see on this forum are for existing builds or people who didn't educate themselves enough before delving in a putting a PC together. There's also those problems born out of cheaping out on the parts you build with. A $25 PSU is going to give you more grief then you need to suffer through.

Not for nothing, but manufactured PCs aren't problem free. I build PCs as a secondary income and sometimes the people I deal with just want a Dell. Man talk about headaches... Not all of them obviously, but a perfect world we do not live in ;)

a perfect world we do not live in ;)

Krall

I garantee you he/she hasn't figured this out yet.

edit- No offense, cuz everyone has been there at one time or another. If you are indeed old and wise enough to know this, then you fall into the category I mentioned where it's acceptable to pay for assembly of a rig. No problem. As long as you don't do it too often, then it becomes problematic for your wallet unless your a millionaire. Then my offer still stands.. will you marry me? LOL

I had just seen way too many threads with people having some horrendously frustrating problem with their own build.Please answer my real question that paying $50-$100 is really not worth it to someone to build the PC.

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.Thinker_145

What about all the threads of others helping people build their rigs, get more for their money or just save money? If people would take a little while to research the subject they shouldn't have a problem.

Remember, just because you are spending countless Ben's on having someone else build your system doesn't mean it was done properly or that you won't have a problem down the line... I would rather know what I am doing and be able to handle the problem myself than rely on an entity that will, most likely, charge me $50-80 per hour of labor.

I have started reading auto repair books/manuals due to my last point...

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]I had just seen way too many threads with people having some horrendously frustrating problem with their own build.Please answer my real question that paying $50-$100 is really not worth it to someone to build the PC.

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.LordEC911

What about all the threads of others helping people build their rigs, get more for their money or just save money? If people would take a little while to research the subject they shouldn't have a problem.

Remember, just because you are spending countless Ben's on having someone else build your system doesn't mean it was done properly or that you won't have a problem down the line... I would rather know what I am doing and be able to handle the problem myself than rely on an entity that will, most likely, charge me $50-80 per hour of labor.

I have started reading auto repair books/manuals due to my last point...

And i bought my PC from a local shop.They wont charge for some technical services but i guess it's just my country.

I had just seen way too many threads with people having some horrendously frustrating problem with their own build.Please answer my real question that paying $50-$100 is really not worth it to someone to build the PC.

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.

Thinker_145

You show me a place that only costs $50-$100 more than a home-built PC with all the advantages of overclocking and will fix everything for you without charging you ever again, and I'll buy a pre-built from them this month, and never build my own PC again.

Well i guess after thinking about it i may not understand the situation that you people have.I live in a third world country where labor is dirt cheap.You can get a full windows reinstall from a shop for $5.:o

And i bought my PC from a local shop.They wont charge for some technical services but i guess it's just my country.

Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Well i guess after thinking about it i may not understand the situation that you people have.I live in a third world country where labor is dirt cheap.You can get a full windows reinstall from a shop for $5.:o

And i bought my PC from a local shop.They wont charge for some technical services but i guess it's just my country.

RayvinAzn

You can get a full windows reinstall from a shop for $5.:o

Thinker_145

That ain't worth $5, even in USA.

You must be trying to get your post count up...

LordEC911

If this is the case, then we're all indeed guilty.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

I had just seen way too many threads with people having some horrendously frustrating problem with their own build.Please answer my real question that paying $50-$100 is really not worth it to someone to build the PC.

You maybe an expert builder but please tell me that you dont see the threads on a daily basis that i am talking.

RayvinAzn

You show me a place that only costs $50-$100 more than a home-built PC with all the advantages of overclocking and will fix everything for you without charging you ever again, and I'll buy a pre-built from them this month, and never build my own PC again.

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.

Thinker_145

It's not always about going 'cheaper', with buying that Dell you're already getting cheap parts. What MB, RAM, Mouse, KB, PSU, etc is it using? Tech support? Don't make me laugh, unless you happen to be from India that tech support will leave you pulling your hair out and on the 'net searching for answers.

Also, what you get isn't what your getting. With all the bloat, trial-ware that Dell loads on there you'll already be losing speed. Those cheap parts are also costing you overall speed.

If it wasn't 3:30 AM I'd price out a better system :)

Hmmm look at this dell.Q6600,8800GT 512MB,3GB Ram in dual channel,vista home premium and 1 year 24/7 service for $1149.All the other necessary components included ofcourse including a 320GB 7200 HDD.A keyboard and mouse is also there.No monitor or speakers ofcourse.It also has 10GB datasafe online backup if it means something.

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.Thinker_145

Easy-peasy.

$279 Q6600
$39 mobo
$75 4gb of DDR2 667
$260 Galaxy 8800GT OC'ed w/ Zalman HSF
$75 WD SE 320gb
$45 Rosewill Case + 450w PSU

throw in a $20 DVD drive, $20 mouse&keyboard, $100 for Vista and $25 S&H and you are at $938, still ~$200 under the Dell.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.

Krall

It's not always about going 'cheaper', with buying that Dell you're already getting cheap parts. What MB, RAM, Mouse, KB, PSU, etc is it using? Tech support? Don't make me laugh, unless you happen to be from India that tech support will leave you pulling your hair out and on the 'net searching for answers.

Also, what you get isn't what your getting. With all the bloat, trial-ware that Dell loads on there you'll already be losing speed. Those cheap parts are also costing you overall speed.

If it wasn't 3:30 AM I'd price out a better system :)

You maybe right on the other things as you know more but i am not convinced about the cheap quality hardware thing causing you to lose speed.

I dont see what trial ware you are saying.They are just giving you some software i dont se the problem in that.If you dont like it you can delete.My PC has tons of software but it didnt get slow down.

You maybe right on the other things as you know more but i am not convinced about the cheap quality hardware thing causing you to lose speed.Thinker_145

They load your system with extra services that you don't need to startup, that in itself causes MASSIVE slowdown.

No cheap hardware in Dells?
Proprietary PSUs, motherboards, cases.... they do things so you CANNOT upgrade your system easily. Don't get me started on not being able to overclock the majority of their systems and the crappy bios they provide.

My FAVORITE part, that Dell comes with a 1 year warranty on parts and labor... if you buy the parts individually you can get anywhere from 3-5 years or even lifetime... Whoops...

It sounds like you don't really even know what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Hmmm look at this dell.Q6600,8800GT 512MB,3GB Ram in dual channel,vista home premium and 1 year 24/7 service for $1149.All the other necessary components included ofcourse including a 320GB 7200 HDD.A keyboard and mouse is also there.No monitor or speakers ofcourse.It also has 10GB datasafe online backup if it means something.

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.LordEC911

Easy-peasy.

$279 Q6600
$39 mobo
$75 4gb of DDR2 667
$260 Galaxy 8800GT OC'ed w/ Zalman HSF
$75 WD SE 320gb
$45 Rosewill Case + 450w PSU

throw in a $20 DVD drive, $20 mouse&keyboard, $100 for Vista and $25 S&H and you are at $938, still ~$200 under the Dell.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.

Krall

It's not always about going 'cheaper', with buying that Dell you're already getting cheap parts. What MB, RAM, Mouse, KB, PSU, etc is it using? Tech support? Don't make me laugh, unless you happen to be from India that tech support will leave you pulling your hair out and on the 'net searching for answers.

Also, what you get isn't what your getting. With all the bloat, trial-ware that Dell loads on there you'll already be losing speed. Those cheap parts are also costing you overall speed.

If it wasn't 3:30 AM I'd price out a better system :)

That PC would be dead in a week with that PSU.And what's up with that mobo.You HAVE to get atleast a better PSU and a dvd burner costs more than $20.It's more like $100 under the dell and if you want a quality mobo for Ocing then the price is the same.;)Thinker_145

That PSU is just fine. The motherboard is also fine, it will work.
DVD burner, I thought it was just a dvdrom...
Oh well, I was off by $4... big whoop...

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!
You are trying to tell me that those parts I picked don't have roughly the same quality as the parts Dell picks? Dell gets OEM processors, they are worse bins then retail chips. Dell uses GENERIC NONAME RAM, GENERIC HD, GENERIC DVD Burner, etc. etc. They cheap out massively on the case and motherboard, some of their PSUs are decent but NOT the majority.

Get off your high horse and realize that you may not know everything, even though you think you might.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Let's see how cheaper can you go with building your own.

Krall

It's not always about going 'cheaper', with buying that Dell you're already getting cheap parts. What MB, RAM, Mouse, KB, PSU, etc is it using? Tech support? Don't make me laugh, unless you happen to be from India that tech support will leave you pulling your hair out and on the 'net searching for answers.

Also, what you get isn't what your getting. With all the bloat, trial-ware that Dell loads on there you'll already be losing speed. Those cheap parts are also costing you overall speed.

If it wasn't 3:30 AM I'd price out a better system :)

Agreed.

While I definitely think prebuilts have there place, they definitely have there drawbacks. You can almost guarantee no overclocking on almost all prebuilts. Low quality parts as mentioned. Limited, if any choice of case.

I keep hearing about tech support and warranty's, well from what I have heard it is not all it is cracked up to be. Let's say you buy a prebuilt and it has problems, what happens, does Dell, HP, Compaq, or whoever wave a wand and fix it, no. From what I have read, not experienced, you usually have to send it back and wait weeks sometimes to get a, hopefully, working computer. That's all nice and you did not have to fix it yourself, but look at the down time, heck your PC could be obsolete by then(sarcasm).

Now with my last build almost everything has a couple year warranty and a few with lifetime warranty's. Shortly after I finished my rig, I started having BIOS problems, long story short it would reset itself, so I contacted eVGA. They cross-shipped me a new motherboard then I shipped them the faulty one back. Total down time, about 30-45 minutes.

And as mention before, some of us really enjoy messing around with PC's.

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

LordEC911

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]That PC would be dead in a week with that PSU.And what's up with that mobo.You HAVE to get atleast a better PSU and a dvd burner costs more than $20.It's more like $100 under the dell and if you want a quality mobo for Ocing then the price is the same.;)LordEC911

That PSU is just fine. The motherboard is also fine, it will work.
DVD burner, I thought it was just a dvdrom...
Oh well, I was off by $4... big whoop...

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]That PC would be dead in a week with that PSU.And what's up with that mobo.You HAVE to get atleast a better PSU and a dvd burner costs more than $20.It's more like $100 under the dell and if you want a quality mobo for Ocing then the price is the same.;)Thinker_145

That PSU is just fine. The motherboard is also fine, it will work.
DVD burner, I thought it was just a dvdrom...
Oh well, I was off by $4... big whoop...

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

And how is their warranty?I mean the dell warranty.Thinker_145

I edited one of my posts....

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]I dont see what trial ware you are saying.They are just giving you some software i dont se the problem in that.If you dont like it you can delete.My PC has tons of software but it didnt get slow down.

You maybe right on the other things as you know more but i am not convinced about the cheap quality hardware thing causing you to lose speed.LordEC911

They load your system with extra services that you don't need to startup, that in itself causes MASSIVE slowdown.

No cheap hardware in Dells?
Proprietary PSUs, motherboards, cases.... they do things so you CANNOT upgrade your system easily. Don't get me started on not being able to overclock the majority of their systems and the crappy bios they provide.

My FAVORITE part, that Dell comes with a 1 year warranty on parts and labor... if you buy the parts individually you can get anywhere from 3-5 years or even lifetime... Whoops...

It sounds like you don't really even know what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

anshul89

It sounds like you don't really even know what you are talking about.LordEC911

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

Thinker_145

WTF?!?!
WTF is this then?

That PC would be dead in a week with that PSU.And what's up with that mobo.You HAVE to get atleast a better PSU and a dvd burner costs more than $20.It's more like $100 under the dell and if you want a quality mobo for Ocing then the price is the same.;)Thinker_145

You tell me that mobo I picked is messed up, that I need to pick a better one.
At least the Foxconn can OC... the Dell CANNOT!

You are contradicting yourself and trying to push different rules on the home built then what the OEMs have to follow on the prebuilts.

Edit- You are wrong, plain and simple. You have created ANOTHER freaking flamefest. I have given you what you want and have stomped you into the ground. I am going to bed and I really hope this thread gets locked or that some smart mod decides to take away your ability to create a new topic. Your threads are getting ridiculously out of hand by constantly taking cheap shots/low blows at the PC Hardware Community.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

You have to realize, I cheaped out on parts because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DELL DOES!

LordEC911

WTF?!?!
WTF is this then?

That PC would be dead in a week with that PSU.And what's up with that mobo.You HAVE to get atleast a better PSU and a dvd burner costs more than $20.It's more like $100 under the dell and if you want a quality mobo for Ocing then the price is the same.;)Thinker_145

You tell me that mobo I picked is messed up, that I need to pick a better one.
At least the Foxconn can OC... the Dell CANNOT!

You are contradicting yourself and trying to push different rules on the home built then what the OEMs have to follow on the prebuilts.

hahaha :lol: i knew that would happen :Danshul89

He doesn't seem to understand that OCing isn't just the motherboard but also the bios.
Dell has their own bios that is LOCKED for practically all overclocking options except for the highend systems...