Why do people say resolution does not matter?

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#101 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="bobtheo"]since im new im gonna say it short and sweet.... pimp, you are on the right side of this unnecessary argument.... and i have to agree with you, it does make a difference on resolution cause i should know i just got a new monitor.... this one is bigger than my last one, and well i had to change sum settings to correct this sizing problem..... oh btw you continue...lol (its fun to watch) shawty1984



Makes no sense at all.

But its pretty simple. TV/Monitor size does not change resolution and/or make it look better.

But the correct increase of distance, resolution and Screen size can make things look nicer.

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#102 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="bobtheo"]since im new im gonna say it short and sweet.... pimp, you are on the right side of this unnecessary argument.... and i have to agree with you, it does make a difference on resolution cause i should know i just got a new monitor.... this one is bigger than my last one, and well i had to change sum settings to correct this sizing problem..... oh btw you continue...lol (its fun to watch) Nibroc420



Makes no sense at all.

But its pretty simple. TV/Monitor size does not change resolution and/or make it look better.

But the correct increase of distance, resolution and Screen size can make things look nicer.



No they cant

A 22" 1080p will look the same as a 100" 1080p TV if both are viewed from the correct distance. They will look the same because they are the same (1080p).

The increase of distance on a larger 1080p TV will just make it the same as a decrease in distance on a smaller 1080p TV.

A 1080p resolution is a 1080p resolution, its the same.

Screen size changes, so does viewing distance, but it will not make it look any nicer.

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A larger screen does look nicer. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. The closer you sit, the more apparent it is that you are looking at an artificial surface. If you were to have a person view a 26 inch 1080p and 50 inch 1080p through a viewing box at each given sets respective viewing distance, the difference in what is being looked at is immediately discernable.

Also, just the other day I was at a friends house who has a higher end samsung 40in 720p plasma. He views from about 5 or 6 feet away. I typically watch on a panasonic 50in 1080p plasma from 10 feet away, give or take. There's a remarkable difference.

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#104 shawty1984
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A larger screen does look nicer. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. The closer you sit, the more apparent it is that you are looking at an artificial surface. If you were to have a person view a 26 inch 1080p and 50 inch 1080p through a viewing box at each given sets respective viewing distance, the difference in what is being looked at is immediately discernable.

Also, just the other day I was at a friends house who has a higher end samsung 40in 720p plasma. He views from about 5 or 6 feet away. I typically watch on a panasonic 50in 1080p plasma from 10 feet away, give or take. There's a remarkable difference.

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A larger screen does not look nicer (resolution wise) Its the same numbers, it can never look nicer.

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#105 Makari
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A larger screen does look nicer. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. The closer you sit, the more apparent it is that you are looking at an artificial surface. If you were to have a person view a 26 inch 1080p and 50 inch 1080p through a viewing box at each given sets respective viewing distance, the difference in what is being looked at is immediately discernable.

Also, just the other day I was at a friends house who has a higher end samsung 40in 720p plasma. He views from about 5 or 6 feet away. I typically watch on a panasonic 50in 1080p plasma from 10 feet away, give or take. There's a remarkable difference.

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Ah, I see what shawty is saying - somewhat semantics, though entirely true if you think it through. Take the viewing experience as a factor of screen size + screen resolution + viewing distance. If the 3 are all adjusted at the same time in sync with each other, you will get the same experience. If you only adjust two or one of the 3 at a time, you can get a 'better' experience. If you take a larger screen *or* higher resolution and then sit at the same distance - thus sitting closer, relatively speaking - then things will start to look better. At the correct increase of distance, a larger or smaller screen will look just about exactly the same. A movie screen at 120 feet, a 50" screen at 10 feet, a 22" PC monitor at 1.5 feet - if the resolution is correctly matched to the distance, you'll get about the exact same experience both in terms of discernible resolution and the amount of your field of view the screen fills. Say a 32" 720p at 5 feet versus a 46" 1080p at 12 feet. You can get roughly the same viewing experience, despite an increase in both TV size and resolution, because you're now sitting further away, counteracting both of the other improvements. However... compare a 32" 720p at 5 feet versus a 32" 1080p at also 5 feet. Now you'll get the better experience. Or compare a 32" 720p at 5 feet to a 32" 720p at 4 feet, you'll also get a slightly better experience. Or another easy example - IMAX. Compared to a regular movie projector, you're sitting at roughly the same distance, but massively increasing both the screen size and the resolution. If you were adjusting for those increases versus what a regular theater does to match, you'd be sitting much, much further away in IMAX. Which would suck. :) So yeah, TLDR he's entirely correct. A larger screen or a higher resolution doesn't look nicer when you also adjust your viewing distance. Most of the people in this thread didn't really pay attention to that part - for the most part, our viewing environments (home/apartments) have a fixed viewing distance that we can't change. So yeah, a bigger screen or higher resolution can look better, but that's because we didn't have a proper viewing distance in the first place.
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#106 rastan
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A larger screen does look nicer. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. The closer you sit, the more apparent it is that you are looking at an artificial surface. If you were to have a person view a 26 inch 1080p and 50 inch 1080p through a viewing box at each given sets respective viewing distance, the difference in what is being looked at is immediately discernable.

Also, just the other day I was at a friends house who has a higher end samsung 40in 720p plasma. He views from about 5 or 6 feet away. I typically watch on a panasonic 50in 1080p plasma from 10 feet away, give or take. There's a remarkable difference.

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Not true. First you are missing the whole point that at some distance a large Tv will look the same as a smaller Tv at some certain smaller distance. Turn on a pip window and often the little pip window will look nicer than the big image that displays and magnifies more flaws. It is true that a larger TV will have more presence and can immerse you more depending how close you sit to it, but again a 50" 1080p set at 7' should look equivalent to a 40" 1080p set at 5' all else being equal (approximate distance and size based on limits of human vision to see 1080p (http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html).
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

A larger screen does look nicer. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. The closer you sit, the more apparent it is that you are looking at an artificial surface. If you were to have a person view a 26 inch 1080p and 50 inch 1080p through a viewing box at each given sets respective viewing distance, the difference in what is being looked at is immediately discernable.

Also, just the other day I was at a friends house who has a higher end samsung 40in 720p plasma. He views from about 5 or 6 feet away. I typically watch on a panasonic 50in 1080p plasma from 10 feet away, give or take. There's a remarkable difference.

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Not true. First you are missing the whole point that at some distance a large Tv will look the same as a smaller Tv at some certain smaller distance. Turn on a pip window and often the little pip window will look nicer than the big image that displays and magnifies more flaws. It is true that a larger TV will have more presence and can immerse you more depending how close you sit to it, but again a 50" 1080p set at 7' should look equivalent to a 40" 1080p set at 5' all else being equal (approximate distance and size based on limits of human vision to see 1080p (http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html).

I understand the concept of viewing distance. The big variable is that we are looking at a device producing an artificial image which is emitting light. I am not trying to start any kind of commotion, or disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. I'm making a statement that watching a larger screen, from the correct viewing distance, is far more pleasant than watching a smaller sized one within the same criteria. 1080p is 1080p. Yes, this is true, but there are more factors than resolution/size/distance.

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#108 rastan
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Of course. I enjoy my 96" front projection setup immensly, but picture quality wise, the smaller screens often look better as the defects in the picture are more evident on such a big screen (I sit 12' away). Of course the level of immersion is a whole other factor that a big screen delivers in spades. That being said, your comment about the closer you sit, the more artificial the picture is not right if you have the same size/distance ratio from two equivalent 1080p sets, they should look the same. As for the differences between the 40" and 50" sets you spoke about, I can assure the difference has very little to do with resolution at those distances while his 40" TV at 5' should actually look bigger than your 50" from 10' due to human distance/size perception. What you may be noticing is different calibration and picture qualities such as contrast that makes your 50" look better than his 40".
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Of course. I enjoy my 96" front projection setup immensly, but picture quality wise, the smaller screens often look better as the defects in the picture are more evident on such a big screen (I sit 12' away). Of course the level of immersion is a whole other factor that a big screen delivers in spades. That being said, your comment about the closer you sit, the more artificial the picture is not right if you have the same size/distance ratio from two equivalent 1080p sets, they should look the same. As for the differences between the 40" and 50" sets you spoke about, I can assure the difference has very little to do with resolution at those distances while his 40" TV at 5' should actually look bigger than your 50" from 10' due to human distance/size perception. What you may be noticing is different calibration and picture qualities such as contrast that makes your 50" look better than his 40".rastan

I know what you mean in regards to the overwhelming screen size with projectors, but that's not the difference I'm getting at. It's more along the lines of comparing linear passive polarization vs circular polarization for 3D cinema. LPP, like a smaller screen, requires more strain on the eyes and neck. CP, on the other hand, allows for far more freedom of movement which is easier on muscles in your neck, and is less stressfull on the eyes. There's a reason people pay more money for larger screens.