Why do TVs need tuners?

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#1 XaosII
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Newbie question. I understand the point of the tuner is to convert the analog signals into the display on the image. With the switch to digital, they still need digital tuners... But why arent tuners integrated into the cable set top boxes?

Why cant a monitor (with speakers) be used as the primary tv display and the remote controller is used for the cable box. Everyone i know always buys a TV (with built in tuner)... But it seems unnecessary.

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TVs dont need tuners. My old TV was just a 37in monitor and it ran fine with a cable box. Most people never use the built in TV tuner if you have a cable or satelite box. The only thing you would use the built in tuner for is if you had like basic cable or something. When I had time warner cable I had one TV tuner DVR that I used on my 37in monitor and in my bedroom I had a regular 32in LDC TV with no box but I couldn't near as many channels on that TV, but I didn't have to pay for the extra box.

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TVs are really just monitors built to support television broadcast standards, and to go along with that, they usually have a built-in tuner. But given how most people are using a cable or satellite box anyway, they can just connect that to any display with component or HDMI and be fine.
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Newbie question. I understand the point of the tuner is to convert the analog signals into the display on the image. With the switch to digital, they still need digital tuners... But why arent tuners integrated into the cable set top boxes?

Why cant a monitor (with speakers) be used as the primary tv display and the remote controller is used for the cable box. Everyone i know always buys a TV (with built in tuner)... But it seems unnecessary.

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To your first question, the US Government required that ATSC tuners be installed in modern sets. To your second question a (PC) monitor can used as a television, but the cost of a monitor (per square inch of viewable area) typically exceeds that of a television, which is why it's pretty rare. It also needs to support the output format of your tuner or cable box, and not every PC monitor supports HDMI or component video inputs.

The only thing you would use the built in tuner for is if you had like basic cable or something.AutoPilotOn
Not true; I do not have cable or satellite, and use my built-in tuner to receive digital HD broadcasts over the air (OTA) using a good-ol' antenna. I have been getting over 20 free HD channels, including ABC, NBC, CBs, FOX, WB, etc. for over five years. Note that when I say HD, I mean 1080i or 720p.

There are many televisions without an ATSC OTA HD Tuner. These are designated as "HD Ready."

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To your first question, the US Government required that ATSC tuners be installed in modern sets. To your second question a (PC) monitor can used as a television, but the cost of a monitor (per square inch of viewable area) typically exceeds that of a television, which is why it's pretty rare. It also needs to support the output format of your tuner or cable box, and not every PC monitor supports HDMI or component video inputs.

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Well, then im still somewhat confused. unfortunately i cant link as gamespot doesnt like complex HTML strings, but a list of cheap 19" LCD TV's from amazon are around $175. A list of 19" monitors (with speakers) from Newegg can be had for around $100. What is causing the $70+ dollar price difference?

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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]

To your first question, the US Government required that ATSC tuners be installed in modern sets. To your second question a (PC) monitor can used as a television, but the cost of a monitor (per square inch of viewable area) typically exceeds that of a television, which is why it's pretty rare. It also needs to support the output format of your tuner or cable box, and not every PC monitor supports HDMI or component video inputs.

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Well, then im still somewhat confused. unfortunately i cant link as gamespot doesnt like complex HTML strings, but a list of cheap 19" LCD TV's from amazon are around $175. A list of 19" monitors (with speakers) from Newegg can be had for around $100. What is causing the $70+ dollar price difference?

The tuner is built in the ones the others need some sort of outside tuner or source for the video. Like I said I used to have a 37in monitor that was my main TV. I just eigther used one of the 50 dollar OTA tuners to get local stations or I used a cable/satelitte boxes to get my signal. I could not just plug it in to a coaxial cable thats built into the wall of my apartment like I could with a actual TV
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Well, then im still somewhat confused. unfortunately i cant link as gamespot doesnt like complex HTML strings, but a list of cheap 19" LCD TV's from amazon are around $175. A list of 19" monitors (with speakers) from Newegg can be had for around $100. What is causing the $70+ dollar price difference?

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There is no good reason for the price disparity, though as I said, tuners are required by law in the US, which contributes to the cost. If you need a 19" display and a monitor supports the input format you need, get a monitor. That said, you may have difficulty finding a monitor with inputs to support your source. For example, the Hanns-G HW-191APD only has a VGA input and what looks like a 3.5mm audio input for speakers. Its resolution is also 1440 x 900, which means you are forced to scale a 720p or 1080i signal, as opposed to a dedicated 19" television that supports 720p natively, though at a higher cost (Philips 19PFL3505D/F7). Note that both of the aforementioned models are used for illustrative purposes, and are not recommendations. Are you looking for a cheap 19" display, or is this just an academic inquiry? Boz
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Are you looking for a cheap 19" display, or is this just an academic inquiry? BozBozanimal

Thank you and AutoPilotOn. To an extent, both. A friend recently bought a defective 19" RCA LCD TV for around $165 and are looking to replace it. I think they can get a bigger screen for the same price, though.

They are not terribly concerned with image quality as price is their primary concern. I saw most low-end TV's are around $9 per inch and most monitors are closer to $6 per inch. Im still considering recommending them a regular TV as they are not very tech savvy themselves and will likely appreciate a remote controller to turn on/off the screen.

EDIT: They have a cable box for that tv.

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#9 AutoPilotOn
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I used to use this "monitor"

http://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-LVM-37W3-37-Inch-1080p-Monitor/dp/B000EYZ994

Its basically the same as a TV but with no built in tuner. It was years ago and it was alot cheaper than buying the actual TV (a few hundred bucks)