Why do you like Guild Wars better than WoW?

Hey,

I'm just curios why people out there decide to play Guild Wars over World of Warcraft if cost is not a factor. I don't care that one is an MMO and one is an ARPG.

I have played both games and must say they are both worthy of being played for endless hours; however, Guild Wars is my top choice.

1. Easy accessibility. I can get in and out without spending hours on end.

2. All classes are different, and the game is set up so it is relatively easy to enjoy them all without being max level.

3. The style. There seriously isn't anything out there like it.

Hey,

I'm just curios why people out there decide to play Guild Wars over World of Warcraft if cost is not a factor. I don't care that one is an MMO and one is an ARPG.

I have played both games and must say they are both worthy of being played for endless hours; however, Guild Wars is my top choice.

1. Easy accessibility. I can get in and out without spending hours on end.

2. All classes are different, and the game is set up so it is relatively easy to enjoy them all without being max level.

3. The style. There seriously isn't anything out there like it.

denmarx12

NO WAY. I played guildwars and I cant get into it like I can wow. AutoPilotOn

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]NO WAY. I played guildwars and I cant get into it like I can wow. Gamesterpheonix

Couldn't get into GW..... WHAT ?????If you like DA0 then you with like GW more like a online DAO

I got GW because you don't have to pay per month. I haven't tried WoW.

Ehh...GW was pretty to look at when it came out, but thats about it...there were invisible walls everywhere, you couldnt see other people in the world unless they were in your guild/party, and all the towns are instanced. WoW has 10x the amount of content, all classes/SPECS are completly different than another (espeically with patch 4.0) and is more polished. I also tried Aion...I will NEVER buy another NCsoft product again.

Cookie cutter builds vs. endless strategic builds

NO,NO,NO, never,,

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

I played both. Guild Wars (vanilla), got fissure armor, pretty much beat the game and finished it. I never bothered with the expansions though. It was fun while it lasted. Obviously more fun grouping with friends. Or make friends and group up. World of Warcraft.. I had a lot of fun but a lot of stress as well. I didn't like the changes with Burning Crusades onwards. Put in a good year and a few months. Then I played Warhammer Online. I invested about 7 months into it then it got really boring.

For me, World of Warcraft is better.

WoW is still and will be king of MMORPG's.

Reason? Consistency. Blizzard has millions and millions of dollars to feed their employees creative minds and keep the game interesting. All the other broke-ass companies there are sooo far behind WoW. Warhammer was fail, AoC was fail, City of Heroes is fail, list goes on and on. Money makes the world go round.

Yes, I actually played all those games mentioned, and WoW is still the best fun youll have.

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

ABRed

I don't like WoW due gameplay wise I see the game as a poor's man Diablo II, and with a monthly fee. In most of mmorpgs you need to choose between a tank, a healer, or a dps character and play together to be successful, whereas in Diablo your character is a one man army. I find both Guild Wars and WoW boring, but at least in GW you don't need to pay every month.

Blizzcon streams of WoW arena were up yesterday; if you think those matches didn't require any skill/vast communication you're delusional. Also, if you didn't clear all the hard modes like Alganon/Yog 0/ICC hard modes before the massive dmg buffs then you have nothing to complain about in terms of difficulty. You probably even didn't get very far in terms of rating in WoW.

Bigsteve3570

Meh, its still too easy for the average gamer, playing maybe a few hours every second day or so.

In terms of gameplay, wow definetily wins.

But, those 14€ each month are just too much for a game i already spent a good 600€ on total.

... That said...

Im still playing it x)

[QUOTE="ABRed"]

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

Bigsteve3570

GW doesn't even come close!

NO WAY. I played guildwars and I cant get into it like I can wow. AutoPilotOn

Same here. It was just waaay too repetitive, even for MMO (which it isn't) standards.

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]NO WAY. I played guildwars and I cant get into it like I can wow. Johnny_Rock

Same here. It was just waaay too repetitive, even for MMO (which it isn't) standards.

[QUOTE="Gamesterpheonix"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]NO WAY. I played guildwars and I cant get into it like I can wow. lge777

Couldn't get into GW..... WHAT ?????If you like DA0 then you with like GW more like a online DAO

No it isn't....

GW is not a mmo...

Love Guild Wars, right away I couldn't stand the cartoony graphics of WoW.

Arenanet has constantly improved their game over the years, and Guild Wars 2 will provide a final knockout punch to WoW.

[QUOTE="ABRed"]

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

Bigsteve3570

Don't worry, I played the game enough. I was 2200 in 2s (Ret Paladin and Resto Shaman) and let me tell you that it was very hard up there. But the PvP is pretty much the same: wait for next thuesday to get your arena points and do your wintergrasp dailies + BG dailies to get your honor. Over and Over again. I mean, the pvp in GW, if you suck, you'll suck because you won't get very far if you only rely on your friends in your team. Also, in 2s in WoW, Priest/Rogue mutilate or Resto Druid/MS Warrior were the 2 easy match-up to play with. My cousin was 12 years old and he and his friend reached 1900 with MS Warrior/Resto Druid. Yes the PvP in WoW gets hard at a certain rating, but once there, you just play and wait for your points to hope to get the same piece of armor that everyone already has...

And well yeah, for BGs... Everyone plays AFK in AV and get their points so they can get their PvP armor that EVERYONE has and then they jump into arenas and play a stupid OP combo or trio (Priest Mage Rogue for Example) and they get all their good gear. Without mentionning that your armor won't last more than 3 months before another one will come out. And also without mentionning all the noobs in BGs. Easy way to make honor points: Premade. PvP is very easy, let me tell you. Especially compared to GvG for example. And play at against Gladiator rank6-7, They're pro.

For the Elites and World Boss, yes they are hard, but no one does them. And you can get pretty much the same equipement through the other raids. Oh man, I was so happy to get my Tier 7.5 complete armor on my Paladin. Two weeks later, I was in Dalaran and guess what? Everyone has the same freaking armor (according to their class). WoW isn't the same since WotLK and you can't argue on that. GW is not the same since Nightfall either, but I think it's better in some aspects and the differences aren't as huge as WoW WotLK compared to WoW BC or Vanilla.

EDIT: Did I tell you that in Guild Wars 2 most of the skills, you will be able to cast while moving. MOST of them, not all. Isn't awesome? Blizzard Developpers are being paid millions and they haven't inovated this yet. Guild Wars 2 will one of the first, if not the first, to add this to a game. Awesome.

Love Guild Wars, right away I couldn't stand the cartoony graphics of WoW.

Arenanet has constantly improved their game over the years, and Guild Wars 2 will provide a final knockout punch to WoW.

AFBrat77

The problem being is this.. The game offers little to no progression.. With only 20 levels easy to reach and a item system that capped off at extremely fast where everything was the max character development.. The game to me got repetitive with little of the joy in finding new items or leveling up in character development.. Guild War's first campaign was great like the first 10 levels then took a nose dive imo.. The huge "plot twist" was extremely stupid for a completely disconnected.. Especially when 99.9% of the value of items in the game are based on visuals rather then stats.. This makes PVE quite boring at times imo because its hardly an intense action that some how goes on its own roles.. PVP wasn't bad, my problem with it was just that it felt like you couldn't excel half the time.. I hate cookie cutter builds as much as the next guy, but it just felt like a large hump of mediocrity while very few stuck out as actually excelling half the times.. Guild Wars 2 seems to be fixing this it seems at least with having far more intense and interesting action.

The difference I see is this.. Guild Wars depends entirely too much off its action which isn't that exciting and forgets the basic addictive nature of character progression.. WoW seems to have found a healthy mix in having some pretty interesting actionwhile still keeping the age old addiction of character and loot progression often times.. To me it felt like it took out one of the most important things of rpg's and that is uniqueness of the characters.. Where in reality for the game the most unique (and really only unique) characteristic I felt was that of your characters appearance. I hope Guild Wars 2 changes this.

[QUOTE="Bigsteve3570"]

[QUOTE="ABRed"]

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

ABRed

Don't worry, I played the game enough. I was 2200 in 2s (Ret Paladin and Resto Shaman) and let me tell you that it was very hard up there. But the PvP is pretty much the same: wait for next thuesday to get your arena points and do your wintergrasp dailies + BG dailies to get your honor. Over and Over again. I mean, the pvp in GW, if you suck, you'll suck because you won't get very far if you only rely on your friends in your team. Also, in 2s in WoW, Priest/Rogue mutilate or Resto Druid/MS Warrior were the 2 easy match-up to play with. My cousin was 12 years old and he and his friend reached 1900 with MS Warrior/Resto Druid. Yes the PvP in WoW gets hard at a certain rating, but once there, you just play and wait for your points to hope to get the same piece of armor that everyone already has...

And well yeah, for BGs... Everyone plays AFK in AV and get their points so they can get their PvP armor that EVERYONE has and then they jump into arenas and play a stupid OP combo or trio (Priest Mage Rogue for Example) and they get all their good gear. Without mentionning that your armor won't last more than 3 months before another one will come out. And also without mentionning all the noobs in BGs. Easy way to make honor points: Premade. PvP is very easy, let me tell you. Especially compared to GvG for example. And play at against Gladiator rank6-7, They're pro.

For the Elites and World Boss, yes they are hard, but no one does them. And you can get pretty much the same equipement through the other raids. Oh man, I was so happy to get my Tier 7.5 complete armor on my Paladin. Two weeks later, I was in Dalaran and guess what? Everyone has the same freaking armor (according to their class). WoW isn't the same since WotLK and you can't argue on that. GW is not the same since Nightfall either, but I think it's better in some aspects and the differences aren't as huge as WoW WotLK compared to WoW BC or Vanilla.

EDIT: Did I tell you that in Guild Wars 2 most of the skills, you will be able to cast while moving. MOST of them, not all. Isn't awesome? Blizzard Developpers are being paid millions and they haven't inovated this yet. Guild Wars 2 will one of the first, if not the first, to add this to a game. Awesome.

.. Uhhh.. What? Yes they have, and so have the majority of mmo's out there.. Its called the difference between a instant ability and a casting time ability.. This around since the original EQ.. Though I maybe misinterpreting you because its not very clear.

[QUOTE="ABRed"]

[QUOTE="Bigsteve3570"] Blizzcon streams of WoW arena were up yesterday; if you think those matches didn't require any skill/vast communication you're delusional. Also, if you didn't clear all the hard modes like Alganon/Yog 0/ICC hard modes before the massive dmg buffs then you have nothing to complain about in terms of difficulty. You probably even didn't get very far in terms of rating in WoW.

sSubZerOo

Don't worry, I played the game enough. I was 2200 in 2s (Ret Paladin and Resto Shaman) and let me tell you that it was very hard up there. But the PvP is pretty much the same: wait for next thuesday to get your arena points and do your wintergrasp dailies + BG dailies to get your honor. Over and Over again. I mean, the pvp in GW, if you suck, you'll suck because you won't get very far if you only rely on your friends in your team. Also, in 2s in WoW, Priest/Rogue mutilate or Resto Druid/MS Warrior were the 2 easy match-up to play with. My cousin was 12 years old and he and his friend reached 1900 with MS Warrior/Resto Druid. Yes the PvP in WoW gets hard at a certain rating, but once there, you just play and wait for your points to hope to get the same piece of armor that everyone already has...

And well yeah, for BGs... Everyone plays AFK in AV and get their points so they can get their PvP armor that EVERYONE has and then they jump into arenas and play a stupid OP combo or trio (Priest Mage Rogue for Example) and they get all their good gear. Without mentionning that your armor won't last more than 3 months before another one will come out. And also without mentionning all the noobs in BGs. Easy way to make honor points: Premade. PvP is very easy, let me tell you. Especially compared to GvG for example. And play at against Gladiator rank6-7, They're pro.

For the Elites and World Boss, yes they are hard, but no one does them. And you can get pretty much the same equipement through the other raids. Oh man, I was so happy to get my Tier 7.5 complete armor on my Paladin. Two weeks later, I was in Dalaran and guess what? Everyone has the same freaking armor (according to their class). WoW isn't the same since WotLK and you can't argue on that. GW is not the same since Nightfall either, but I think it's better in some aspects and the differences aren't as huge as WoW WotLK compared to WoW BC or Vanilla.

EDIT: Did I tell you that in Guild Wars 2 most of the skills, you will be able to cast while moving. MOST of them, not all. Isn't awesome? Blizzard Developpers are being paid millions and they haven't inovated this yet. Guild Wars 2 will one of the first, if not the first, to add this to a game. Awesome.

.. Uhhh.. What? Yes they have, and so have the majority of mmo's out there.. Its called the difference between a instant ability and a casting time ability.. This around since the original EQ.. Though I maybe misinterpreting you because its not very clear.

i believe what he's trying to say is that abilities with cast times can be cast while in motion.Kh1ndjal

Yeah thats what I meant... Thx! Sorry, English is not my first language, so forgive me about that :)

The reason why you cant throw spells and move is due to balance... Try fight a warlock or a mage as melee if they can move and cast their spells... It would go from a 70% win ratio to a 100% win ratio for the casters. How do i know? I have a mage... I can kill melee with level 1 frost bolts... If i could run and cast them... Yeah lol...

The reason why you cant throw spells and move is due to balance... Try fight a warlock or a mage as melee if they can move and cast their spells... It would go from a 70% win ratio to a 100% win ratio for the casters. How do i know? I have a mage... I can kill melee with level 1 frost bolts... If i could run and cast them... Yeah lol...

KalDurenik

Hey,

I'm just curios why people out there decide to play Guild Wars over World of Warcraft if cost is not a factor. I don't care that one is an MMO and one is an ARPG.

I have played both games and must say they are both worthy of being played for endless hours; however, Guild Wars is my top choice.

1. Easy accessibility. I can get in and out without spending hours on end.

2. All classes are different, and the game is set up so it is relatively easy to enjoy them all without being max level.

3. The style. There seriously isn't anything out there like it.

denmarx12

i have agree with i guild wars first i got into actually be prophesies faction and nightfall but about two years later i play WoW and i was hook to it for about 8 months then i decide to stop playing because i got bore with it guild wars was better for me thats my opion

This is an easy one:

1)No forced grind.

2)A strong story.

3)Little emphasis on end-game.

4)No fighting over resources.

5)Quests that mattered.

6)Really easy to get max level.

7)Difficulty levels.

8)Each class has more than a couple of viable specs.

9)Crafting is really easy.

Hey,

I'm just curios why people out there decide to play Guild Wars over World of Warcraft if cost is not a factor. I don't care that one is an MMO and one is an ARPG.

I have played both games and must say they are both worthy of being played for endless hours; however, Guild Wars is my top choice.

1. Easy accessibility. I can get in and out without spending hours on end.

2. All classes are different, and the game is set up so it is relatively easy to enjoy them all without being max level.

3. The style. There seriously isn't anything out there like it.

denmarx12

those are actually 3 of the big reasons why I play WoW lol

i never played wow because of the price, but in guild wars, finding a party without a guild was HARD! but the game was great. I always wanted to try wow but i just dont want to pay monthly, especially now that most of the time ill be on limited internet bandwith :(

I'd like to see anyone that doesn't think WoW's PvP takes skill to prove they have achieved anything in the PvP of the game to make that credible.

[QUOTE="Bigsteve3570"]

[QUOTE="ABRed"]

For having played both game:

1. Guild Wars PVP requires skills in order to be "Good".

2. Guild Wars is F2P

3. Guild Wars Titles were worthy and could make famous.

4. There was more action in major cities else than WTS/WTB "X" for Golds or LFG. People were actually trading items for items. (It's not a major point, but I actually liked this)

5. Guild Wars was hard. Back in Prophecies time (without Heroes and stuff) the game was hard to finish and the newbs weren't getting far in the game. I still think Guild Wars is harder than WoW. In WoW, you clear every new content within a week.

6. More diversity in PvP.

Well the list could go on... To be honest, I think WoW is a better game and I actually played a lot more than Guild Wars. The reason is that I like to play MMOs to level my character and build his armor. WoW excels in these aspects while Guild Wars is more focused on Titles, Weapons/Armor look over Weapon/Armor's stats because the stats aren't THAT important. Guild Wars' focus is on how you character is known on the realm, how famous and good he is and how rich he is (that you can tell by his gear) and its focus is also on farming which is cool, but it takes a way too big place in the game. And well, the level Cap is 20 so you don't have a lot of leveling. I also played AION which I thought was a REALLY good game. I mean, the game was hard, you couldn't reach level cap within a week or 2, in order to be descent you need to be Rich and really skilled. PvP is exciting and hard. The problem with AION is that it is not as easy to get in as the other 2 games. You need to invest hundred hours in a single character to really learn it and reach a decent level to really start enjoying the game. But I still think it's a good middle between both games.

To finish my thoughts, I think Guild Wars 2 will be a blast. It will keep every good aspect of Guild Wars and will take a lot of WoW into it. I don't want to say that it will crush WoW because I'm not a total WoW hater, but it will surely be very popular since it is still so far Free 2 Play. Thats all in my opinion by the way. I seriously can't wait for Guild Wars 2.

ABRed

Don't worry, I played the game enough. I was 2200 in 2s (Ret Paladin and Resto Shaman) and let me tell you that it was very hard up there. But the PvP is pretty much the same: wait for next thuesday to get your arena points and do your wintergrasp dailies + BG dailies to get your honor. Over and Over again. I mean, the pvp in GW, if you suck, you'll suck because you won't get very far if you only rely on your friends in your team. Also, in 2s in WoW, Priest/Rogue mutilate or Resto Druid/MS Warrior were the 2 easy match-up to play with. My cousin was 12 years old and he and his friend reached 1900 with MS Warrior/Resto Druid. Yes the PvP in WoW gets hard at a certain rating, but once there, you just play and wait for your points to hope to get the same piece of armor that everyone already has...

And well yeah, for BGs... Everyone plays AFK in AV and get their points so they can get their PvP armor that EVERYONE has and then they jump into arenas and play a stupid OP combo or trio (Priest Mage Rogue for Example) and they get all their good gear. Without mentionning that your armor won't last more than 3 months before another one will come out. And also without mentionning all the noobs in BGs. Easy way to make honor points: Premade. PvP is very easy, let me tell you. Especially compared to GvG for example. And play at against Gladiator rank6-7, They're pro.

For the Elites and World Boss, yes they are hard, but no one does them. And you can get pretty much the same equipement through the other raids. Oh man, I was so happy to get my Tier 7.5 complete armor on my Paladin. Two weeks later, I was in Dalaran and guess what? Everyone has the same freaking armor (according to their class). WoW isn't the same since WotLK and you can't argue on that. GW is not the same since Nightfall either, but I think it's better in some aspects and the differences aren't as huge as WoW WotLK compared to WoW BC or Vanilla.

EDIT: Did I tell you that in Guild Wars 2 most of the skills, you will be able to cast while moving. MOST of them, not all. Isn't awesome? Blizzard Developpers are being paid millions and they haven't inovated this yet. Guild Wars 2 will one of the first, if not the first, to add this to a game. Awesome.

While I played both Guild Wars is easily my favorite.

The "end game" is Guild Wars is an actual end. Once there you start over, try hard mode, move to the next campaign, play PvP, or quit. In World of Warcraft it is a holding pattern built on artifically exagerated repetition. Run the heroic dungeons a thousand times over to get the gear needed to run the raid dungeons until the next expansion comes out where you can start it all over again.

The loot drop collection quests are few and far between in Guild Wars. With most of them the needed item drops every kill. The kill quota quests are even fewer. In World of Warcraft the kill quota quests and loot drop collection quests make up about 80% of the quests.

The henchmen in Guild Wars are a fantastic idea. I can grab them and go. No standing around in town begging for a team. No putting up with angry jerks in dungeons. I can play the whole game without putting up with the snotty behavior of other players. Yeah, they are kinda on the dumb side when it comes to strategy. So what. All the crap I don't have to put up with because of them makes up for it.

The instanced areas ... see the last paragraph. Other people really are the best and worst part of these games.

When the day comes they finally turn Guild Wars off I hope they release a patch that removes the internet requirements.

I'd like to see anyone that doesn't think WoW's PvP takes skill to prove they have achieved anything in the PvP of the game to make that credible.

-Unreal-

It does not take skill at all. It takes stubborn perseverance. Even the worst player will get the top end gear and rating eventually. The same is true for all the MMO's built on the same old school formula World of Warcraft is built on.

ABRed your opinion is "outdated", besides something tells me you haven't played WoW as much as you pretend, because you had quests in which you were able to cast while moving, besides if you really did a lot of PvP you'd know how horrible this would be and how it would be made for casuals, noobs if you like. Why should you be good and know the classes when you can just run away with a caster and kill all the other melee classes? sometimes I wonder if you innovative types actually think about what you're saying.

I don't

I'd like to see anyone that doesn't think WoW's PvP takes skill to prove they have achieved anything in the PvP of the game to make that credible.

-Unreal-

Games like WoW and Warhammer take some skill to play but skill comes a far second after gear. People like you who are obviously proud of your pvp prowess on that game are going to take offense to someone saying your skill has little to do with your success, sorry but it is true. If you excel at pvp on either of those games you are likely one of the better geared people playing and would not be caught dead with lesser gear on. I take it you have "Achieved anything in the pvp of the game" since you made the statement. The only skill involved in those games is knowledge of the class you are fighting and reacting to what that class is doing to you. Other than that.......g-e-a-r wins.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

I'd like to see anyone that doesn't think WoW's PvP takes skill to prove they have achieved anything in the PvP of the game to make that credible.

vfibsux

Games like WoW and Warhammer take some skill to play but skill comes a far second after gear. People like you who are obviously proud of your pvp prowess on that game are going to take offense to someone saying your skill has little to do with your success, sorry but it is true. If you excel at pvp on either of those games you are likely one of the better geared people playing and would not be caught dead with lesser gear on. I take it you have "Achieved anything in the pvp of the game" since you made the statement. The only skill involved in those games is knowledge of the class you are fighting and reacting to what that class is doing to you. Other than that.......g-e-a-r wins.

[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

I'd like to see anyone that doesn't think WoW's PvP takes skill to prove they have achieved anything in the PvP of the game to make that credible.

DanielDust

Games like WoW and Warhammer take some skill to play but skill comes a far second after gear. People like you who are obviously proud of your pvp prowess on that game are going to take offense to someone saying your skill has little to do with your success, sorry but it is true. If you excel at pvp on either of those games you are likely one of the better geared people playing and would not be caught dead with lesser gear on. I take it you have "Achieved anything in the pvp of the game" since you made the statement. The only skill involved in those games is knowledge of the class you are fighting and reacting to what that class is doing to you. Other than that.......g-e-a-r wins.

If gear wouldn't be a requirement then WoW would make no sense, melee wouldn't make sense because of casters and casters wouldn't make sense because melee makes no sense.

Getting low-mid level PvP gear is "extremely" easy in Cataclysm, because Blizz wants all to have access to PvP, getting the best gear requires dedication. If you don't have gear you just do random bgs till you have, after you do and you play ranked why on earth do you care about your enemies? they obviously wouldn't join ranked matches without being prepared for them and what does it matter how or why you beat them? I thought people play games for fun and if they're competitive they kill what they can if not come back and try again, are you seriously asking yourself those questions? in PvP, if the enemy is dead, you're good, simple as that.

Once you get good gear and you're able to play at the "designed" normal PvP level, you're either bad or good, what the other player did when he/she failed to kill is of no concern to you, because no matter what you say nobody would believe that somebody is asking himself/herself if he/she really is good at PvP and if the other player was on equal grounds.