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#1 RearNakedChoke
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Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

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#2 aura_enchanted
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really its all depending on if you want to make the change now if you feel its not necissary dont bother period. if you want a technical spec breakdown all you had to do was ASK PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU OUT :) we all arent a bunch of 15year old who hate their PC is if it cant run crysis farcry2 or gta4 on high res. imo i could price you out a PC that could run the latest of games just find while leaving room for some expansion. all withint a range of $400+ canadian.

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I'd say a little bit of both............... E5*00 - $60-80 decent cpus when overclocked E7*00-slightly more cache and cash. E8*00 the best of the dual cores but not really worth it over the 7 series IMO. Pentium Dual Cores are Core 2 architecture CPUs so don't think they're the old sucky pentiums. EVen the new Celerons are not bad. RAM is dirt cheap right now, well DDR2 that is. HD4850 and 9800GTX+/GTS 250s are at about $100, pretty damn cheap for solid GPUs. Myself i would never even go over $200, that's HD4870 and GTX260 territory, the GTX275 should be coming out, it will have 240 stream processors like the gTX280. I recommend Tech Report and Anandtech. Damn i didn't even talk about the Quad core Q9550 or the new i7s...........
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#4 tautitan123
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Things do seem to have gotten cheaper after they went up so high in recent years. I think the focus has shifted from getting the most power you can, to getting the most power per watt you can in order to make things more efficient. Sure there are still real enthusiast parts but you get a lot more bang for buck in the mid range of PC components than you used to. For instance, it used to make a difference to how Windows felt when you were using it depending on what speed processor you had and how much RAM you had. Now almost anything will run Windows just fine without having to shell out for top notch parts and it's starting to get that way with games as well; developers are putting out more and more games that don't have to be run at super high whizzy settings with 8x AA etc just to look acceptable.
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#5 RearNakedChoke
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Thanks for the responses, I guess I'm not just going crazy. It seems like companies have put more emphasis on budget cards that help to increase their consumer bases. Which probably means more PC gamers which probably means even more sales.

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#6 perfect_chao
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Core i7 cpu's are still not really cheap, neither are the boards.

Core 2 stuff has been around a while and so it has dropped in price, as for crysis.. you need at least a gtx 260 or even 280 to play that decently.

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#7 Gog
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Crysis is 1.5 years old. The high-end hardware required to run the game back then is no longer high-end and a lot cheaper now. New hardware costs about as much as it did back then.

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Crysis is 1.5 years old. The high-end hardware required to run the game back then is no longer high-end and a lot cheaper now. New hardware costs about as much as it did back then.

Gog

I guess that's true. But isn't Crysis still about as demanding as the games that are being released this generation, or am I mistaken?

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[QUOTE="Gog"]

Crysis is 1.5 years old. The high-end hardware required to run the game back then is no longer high-end and a lot cheaper now. New hardware costs about as much as it did back then.

RearNakedChoke

I guess that's true. But isn't Crysis still about as demanding as the games that are being released this generation, or am I mistaken?

Crysis is definitely one of the most demanding games out now still. Infact the only other games that come close off the top of my head are Empire: Total War (massive scale) and GTA4 (very poorly made port that hogs a lot of resources)
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[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

[QUOTE="Gog"]

Crysis is 1.5 years old. The high-end hardware required to run the game back then is no longer high-end and a lot cheaper now. New hardware costs about as much as it did back then.

General_X

I guess that's true. But isn't Crysis still about as demanding as the games that are being released this generation, or am I mistaken?

Crysis is definitely one of the most demanding games out now still. Infact the only other games that come close off the top of my head are Empire: Total War (massive scale) and GTA4 (very poorly made port that hogs a lot of resources)

GTA IV is a female dog when it comes to pc requirements. THEIR RECCOMENDED settings is a quad core... WTF.
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Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

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The technology (at least to run the older Crysis) has become cheaper and I'm sure the current state of the economy and low consumer spending has also driven down prices (at the very minimum, sales are more frequent). If you have the money and need a new computer, now is a great time to do so. I recently built a pretty sweet rig (nothing too fancy or over the top, but it does max out everything I throw at it) for well under $1000. And that includes everything (all the parts etc) as well as a new monitor and a new mouse and keyboard.
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i think the only thing keeping prices down is AMD, look at intels motherboards. altho you can build a computer cheaper now than anytime before, you can also buy the most expensive one as anytime before. $600+ gpu's is something pretty new, and $1000 cpu's has been happening for a little while but still fairly new. most people don't realize how cheap of a computer can actually run most games. a $400-500 computer can run crysis
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#13 goleafsguy
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Core i7 cpu's are still not really cheap, neither are the boards.

Core 2 stuff has been around a while and so it has dropped in price, as for crysis.. you need at least a gtx 260 or even 280 to play that decently.

perfect_chao

I run crysis with a 9800gtx decently.... so no.

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#14 EdgeOfThorns316
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I just spent 500 bucks on a video card lol i wouldnt say everything is cheap.

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Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

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Show me a complete system for $500-700 that can max out Crysis to the absolute fullest. Have you ever played this game before? Now my system isnt state of the art (see sig) but i can still play crysis on High but not ultra maxed on everything and the GTX295 still cost aprox $499 or so... thats just ONE componant in the system. So either you have your numbers mixed up or you live in a dream world with very high expectations of what current hardware can do. I do agree that in general, things like system ram and harddrives have gotten significantly cheaper, infact so much that you can afford to max out the ram on your mobo ect. But to get Crysis to run full max on any high end system, you either will have an i7/mobo/6gb ram combo +gtx295 (or any other variant in SLI) then maybe, just maybe you will have everything maxed in crysis. Check the price tag on your rig, when you achieve that feat... it will not be $500-700 bucks.
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yah the only people who attempt to max crysis are those looking for bragging rights, its really pointless to try to do that. and after you pass the $300 mark on gpu's the price per performance goes down really quickly
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#17 RearNakedChoke
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[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

Tyson8earzz

Show me a complete system for $500-700 that can max out Crysis to the absolute fullest. Have you ever played this game before? Now my system isnt state of the art (see sig) but i can still play crysis on High but not ultra maxed on everything and the GTX295 still cost aprox $499 or so... thats just ONE componant in the system. So either you have your numbers mixed up or you live in a dream world with very high expectations of what current hardware can do. I do agree that in general, things like system ram and harddrives have gotten significantly cheaper, infact so much that you can afford to max out the ram on your mobo ect. But to get Crysis to run full max on any high end system, you either will have an i7/mobo/6gb ram combo +gtx295 (or any other variant in SLI) then maybe, just maybe you will have everything maxed in crysis. Check the price tag on your rig, when you achieve that feat... it will not be $500-700 bucks.

Here is where I originally saw someone claim that they could run Crysis for that cheap. He's got everything maxed at 1680X1050 for $577.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9d9EyysQ0&feature=related

I've heard a few people on this forum say that it could be done as well. I am out of touch with PC hardware right now though.

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[QUOTE="perfect_chao"]

Core i7 cpu's are still not really cheap, neither are the boards.

Core 2 stuff has been around a while and so it has dropped in price, as for crysis.. you need at least a gtx 260 or even 280 to play that decently.

goleafsguy

I run crysis with a 9800gtx decently.... so no.

Ditto on a 9800GT :P

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[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

Tyson8earzz
Show me a complete system for $500-700 that can max out Crysis to the absolute fullest. Have you ever played this game before? Now my system isnt state of the art (see sig) but i can still play crysis on High but not ultra maxed on everything and the GTX295 still cost aprox $499 or so... thats just ONE componant in the system. So either you have your numbers mixed up or you live in a dream world with very high expectations of what current hardware can do. I do agree that in general, things like system ram and harddrives have gotten significantly cheaper, infact so much that you can afford to max out the ram on your mobo ect. But to get Crysis to run full max on any high end system, you either will have an i7/mobo/6gb ram combo +gtx295 (or any other variant in SLI) then maybe, just maybe you will have everything maxed in crysis. Check the price tag on your rig, when you achieve that feat... it will not be $500-700 bucks.

You can't max Crysis on a 22" monitor? :shock:
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#20 Tyson8earzz
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You can't max Crysis on a 22" monitor? :shock:

If i truly max out everything including shadows ect, then it just doest feel as fast as when i just slightly tone the shadows down a bit. In heavy fire fights, i do notice some slow downs and im thinking its either my hard drive or possibly cpu bottleneck at this point. When i tone it down a bit, then everything runs smooth as glass. BTW i forgot to update my lcd in my sig, im running a 24" now, not a 22"
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[QUOTE="Tyson8earzz"][QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Now I don't usually follow PC hardware news at all, but just browsing around it seems that things have gotten much cheaper (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I'm hearing people saying that they're buying computers that can play Crysis maxed out for only $500-$700 (excluding things like monitor, KBM, and OS).

Has the technology gotten cheaper, or did this only start to happen after the economy began to tank?

Should I buy a computer while the economy is still hurting, or has the technology just become cheaper to create?

Also, does anyone have any good sites that clearly explain what the technical information actually means. Now, I can usually look at a specs list and make out whether or not I'm looking at a good machine. But I don't really understand everything completely. I just have a very basic understand of what cards are popular, and what numbers = good. A hardware site that talks about the newest cards and has some clear guides on what everything means would really help me in the future when I decide to upgrade.

RearNakedChoke

Show me a complete system for $500-700 that can max out Crysis to the absolute fullest. Have you ever played this game before? Now my system isnt state of the art (see sig) but i can still play crysis on High but not ultra maxed on everything and the GTX295 still cost aprox $499 or so... thats just ONE componant in the system. So either you have your numbers mixed up or you live in a dream world with very high expectations of what current hardware can do. I do agree that in general, things like system ram and harddrives have gotten significantly cheaper, infact so much that you can afford to max out the ram on your mobo ect. But to get Crysis to run full max on any high end system, you either will have an i7/mobo/6gb ram combo +gtx295 (or any other variant in SLI) then maybe, just maybe you will have everything maxed in crysis. Check the price tag on your rig, when you achieve that feat... it will not be $500-700 bucks.

Here is where I originally saw someone claim that they could run Crysis for that cheap. He's got everything maxed at 1680X1050 for $577.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9d9EyysQ0&feature=related

I've heard a few people on this forum say that it could be done as well. I am out of touch with PC hardware right now though.

I watched that video, he is running an 8800GT on res of 1280x1024, no AA or AF, this is NOT a maxed out crysis. Pay special attention what he does when he shows his crysis settings under options, all the major settings to max crysis are turned down or off completely. His cpu is an amd64 X2 3800+ with ddr 3gb. on a 20" acer lcd. This system is rather dated. Im afraid this is not the kind of system you want for $577 bucks.

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#22 RearNakedChoke
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[QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

[QUOTE="Tyson8earzz"] Show me a complete system for $500-700 that can max out Crysis to the absolute fullest. Have you ever played this game before? Now my system isnt state of the art (see sig) but i can still play crysis on High but not ultra maxed on everything and the GTX295 still cost aprox $499 or so... thats just ONE componant in the system. So either you have your numbers mixed up or you live in a dream world with very high expectations of what current hardware can do. I do agree that in general, things like system ram and harddrives have gotten significantly cheaper, infact so much that you can afford to max out the ram on your mobo ect. But to get Crysis to run full max on any high end system, you either will have an i7/mobo/6gb ram combo +gtx295 (or any other variant in SLI) then maybe, just maybe you will have everything maxed in crysis. Check the price tag on your rig, when you achieve that feat... it will not be $500-700 bucks.Tyson8earzz

Here is where I originally saw someone claim that they could run Crysis for that cheap. He's got everything maxed at 1680X1050 for $577.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9d9EyysQ0&feature=related

I've heard a few people on this forum say that it could be done as well. I am out of touch with PC hardware right now though.

I watched that video, he is running an 8800GT on res of 1280x1024, no AA or AF, this is NOT a maxed out crysis. Pay special attention what he does when he shows his crysis settings under options, all the major settings to max crysis are turned down or off completely. Im afraid this is not the kind of system you want for $577 bucks.

I misread his comments, and I've only played Crysis briefly so I don't recognize the options menu layout. It doesn't really matter though, because I intend to spend closer to $800 excluding a monitor, XP, add-on fan, and perhaps PSU (which brings me to ask, is 560 Watts really going to cut it if I pickup some mid-range hardware? I have a feeling that the answer is no).

That video is a year old as well, so that price for those parts is higher than it would be now.

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#23 Tagerh
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Dont worry buddy, trust me, 560 W will be fine, we just need to know the maker and how many A on the 12V rail.

And tell us ur monitor resolution. And thenn, we can put together a system (if you'd like) that can max crysis.

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Dont worry buddy, trust me, 560 W will be fine, we just need to know the maker and how many A on the 12V rail.

And tell us ur monitor resolution. And thenn, we can put together a system (if you'd like) that can max crysis.

Tagerh

That would be great! It's a Thermaltake Purepower 560W, I have no idea about the amperage and I suspect you said that 12V rail bit just to confuse me. :lol:

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/other_misc/Tt_Purepower_560w/index.html

I kind of thought that 560W would cut it, but I was also thinking about whether that would be enough if I was to stick a second GPU in (or/and CPU) 10 or 12 months down the road to increase the pc's lifespan.

My monitors resolution is 1680X1050.

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sli/crossfire is still pretty much pointless at this point. when you need extra bunch your better off just selling and getting another decent card. as an example it took THREE 4870's 1gb each, and that still wasn't as good as one powerful card. the point is sli/crossfire does not use the full potential of the cards power. a rough guessamit is each card after the first only nets 50% of the cards potential, and im guess thats being nice about it
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sli/crossfire is still pretty much pointless at this point. when you need extra bunch your better off just selling and getting another decent card. as an example it took THREE 4870's 1gb each, and that still wasn't as good as one powerful card. the point is sli/crossfire does not use the full potential of the cards power. a rough guessamit is each card after the first only nets 50% of the cards potential, and im guess thats being nice about itmachiavell8x8

Really. I knew that you didn't get the full power of the second card, but I didn't realize you got that little. So is SLI only worth it if you buy two cards at once, or just never really worth it at all?

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its never really worth it because 2 cards cost more than one expensive one, and in the benchmarks ive seen the expensive one has better performance. really the only time i could see sli or crossfire being useful is to buy a midrange card today, and then when your starting to see lag....maybe a second card would be really cheap by then and get you by for another year maybe
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its never really worth it because 2 cards cost more than one expensive one, and in the benchmarks ive seen the expensive one has better performance. really the only time i could see sli or crossfire being useful is to buy a midrange card today, and then when your starting to see lag....maybe a second card would be really cheap by then and get you by for another year maybemachiavell8x8

Thanks, that's kind of what I had in mind. In fact when I purchased my current computer and threw in a 7800GTX, I intended to buy a second 7800 because my mobo was SLI compatible. But I never got around to it, so perhaps single cards are the way to go.