Why people think PC gaming is dieing?
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Probably because not many PC exclusive titles come out and the ones that usually do suckfatboyvinnieum we get more AAA titles than consoles
Pc games have slacked off thanks do punkass developers feeling that console will give them a better return money wise. Example: Bioware. Making Mass Effect for console only. Somebody needs to take and put a BFG up side there heads. It'll change though, after all, what direction is the console going. Let's see. A hard drive, a modem intragrated sound and video on a motherboard. Some have mice and keyboards. Sounds like we have a cheap piece of s___ computer. Only thing missing is an operating system. Big difference is pc developers are striving to use the next great advancement in computer upgrades, while console developers are striving to eak out that extra little bit on what they have to work with. That being said, the console doesn't have much more room to get better without actually becoming a computer. So there going to merge sooner or later. Then we'll have computers for work and gaming computers (hey, kinda like now).wallydog63So you blame the developers because the majority of people prefer to buy a console than to upgrade their PC? Also most people pirate PC games especially when they are single player only or the play on some cracked server. I can't blame the developers for going where the money is. Gears of War sold 3 million in a short time.
[QUOTE="wallydog63"]Pc games have slacked off thanks do punkass developers feeling that console will give them a better return money wise. Example: Bioware. Making Mass Effect for console only. Somebody needs to take and put a BFG up side there heads. It'll change though, after all, what direction is the console going. Let's see. A hard drive, a modem intragrated sound and video on a motherboard. Some have mice and keyboards. Sounds like we have a cheap piece of s___ computer. Only thing missing is an operating system. Big difference is pc developers are striving to use the next great advancement in computer upgrades, while console developers are striving to eak out that extra little bit on what they have to work with. That being said, the console doesn't have much more room to get better without actually becoming a computer. So there going to merge sooner or later. Then we'll have computers for work and gaming computers (hey, kinda like now).DeihmosSo you blame the developers because the majority of people prefer to buy a console than to upgrade their PC? Also most people pirate PC games especially when they are single player only or the play on some cracked server. I can't blame the developers for going where the money is. Gears of War sold 3 million in a short time.
I was gonna say WoW has sold 15 million copies but then you said "in a short time".
the very concept boggles my mind - it's like saying the music industry is going to die, or a sport is suddenly going to become unpopular - people who make these arguments are people who have experienced nothing but consoles and have seen one or two consoles die and be replaced by newer technology, and now as they're just being introduced to computers (for the first time, probably), they see them as this failed technology that rose and fell with the xbox, and is now on the way out - based on one year of few real quality releases due to a new console generation, and delays caused by a new operating system
way to go with your market analysis, kiddo
but computers are rapidly becoming a standard household technology - you've got your tv, you've got your stereo, and you've got your pc - and in many millions of houses, you've just got your pc, because the other two aren't needed
simple fact is, the technology isn't going to die - now or ever - it will eventually change and merge and evolve into something else entirely, and pc gaming - gaming as a whole - as we know it, will probably no longer exist, but the pc doesn't have a 3 year half life, this isn't a very expensive console that can also run microsoft office - ask the guys who've been playing pc games for the last 25 years if they think pc gaming is about to die, heh
demand determines supply - if you build it, they will come works both ways - if people want pc games, people will develop for us - worst case scenario is the publishers continue to grow and swell into vast, bloated beasts on a scale with hollywood movie studios, and the consoles become hollywood, while the pcs become indie - i can live with indie, most of my favourite films have little connection to hollywood
as long as the platform exists, and continues to improve and evolve (and it is), games will continue to be developed, growth will continue, more games will come - and so on and so forth... there are plenty of devs and publishers out there who simply want to make piles of cash, and many companies have grown particularly efficient at it by appealing to the mainstream - but, like filmmakers, there are also - and always will be - plenty of guys out there who just want to make great games, and get them played and, like the movie industry, those are the guys who usually make true art deserving to be experienced
it's true that with the rising cost of game development blah blah etc, these less mainstream developers will struggle to pull in publishers focusing more on consoles - but how much this problem presents remains to be seen, myself, i don't think it'll ever be an issue
and the whole hollywood/indie thing is just the worst case scenario, we're several thousand feet from splattering into that problem - if ever we do
The reason PC gaming will never die is because it's being supported by all of these companies that make video cards, processors and other PC accessories (sp?). I'm pretty sure that these companies will do anything just to keep PC gaming alive. If it wasn't for these for PC games, I think these companies would have died long time ago. Think about it, if it wasn't for PC games then how often would you upgrade your PC? I'm pretty sure the reason people bought the video cards that have been released over the past year is to either to be able to play the latest video games or it's one of these people who like to have the high tech PC or whatever it's called.
To all you people who think current consoles look better than PC get a clue, 360 and PS3 use the same hardware as x1000 series and GF7 series. In fact with the G80 core PC's have better hardware than consoles so GFX wise PC has as good and able to have better GFX than the current consoles, considering current consoles will be around for the next 5yrs. I am stating this cause its total B.S. that people think consoles have better gfx. Check your facts before you post lies. Rant over. And long live PC gaming, so everyone go out and buy a game to help support PC gaming, and leave the pirating to console gamers. Yeah you know who they are the ones that rent the game and use their PC to copy it. Pc gamers should be better than this and buy there games or I do see Pc gaming dying.Mars_999
I think that right now the Graw series on 360Â has the most impressive graphics. Much more impressive than Graw pc and a little more impressive than Oblivion, Quake 4 and Fear maxed out with high res, aa and af.
Crysis, UT3 or Quake Wars whichever comes first will take pc graphics back to the top.
You cant compare spec to spec between pc and console. Riddicks minimum specs for example were more than double the specs of the xbox. We all know how well a minimum spec pc runs a game.
PC gaming IS dying...so slowly that consoles now look and feel like PC's minus the KB&M....Tequila_Zaire
No they don't, unless your counting the crashs and how they can connect to the internet. Technicaly there alot more like PCs but they don't feel like it.
[QUOTE="Tequila_Zaire"]PC gaming IS dying...so slowly that consoles now look and feel like PC's minus the KB&M....Platearmor_6
No they don't, unless your counting the crashs and how they can connect to the internet. Technicaly there alot more like PCs but they don't feel like it.
They don't have to be like PCs. Everyone has a PC but not that many people play games on them.
Game 9102 over at gamefaqs orginally posted this information and I think it fits this topix well.Across two separate lectures at this week's Game Developers Conference, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform. "Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," stated Hollenshead, whose company contracted Z-Axis to handle the PlayStation 3 version and Nerve Software the Xbox 360 edition of Splash Damage's forthcoming Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PC).
Comments made by Epic's Capps carried a similar tone. "PC Gaming is really falling apart," he revealed. "It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it", adding "the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." Epic is currently developing Unreal Tournament 3 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in-house.
Meanwhile, Firaxis designer and programmer Soren Johnson remained confident in PC development. He suggested that "game design on the PC is going to bend toward persistence," noting Blizzard's World of Warcraft is "successful because you can't pirate WoW. You cannot pirate an MMO. Period."http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079
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Sad but true... Pirates are the worst cum PC gaming can present.
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Deihmos" I agree with you. You cannot get an experience like battlefield on a console. Also many people fail to realise how many crap games are released on the PC. Every week I see at least 10 new games for PC and none are good. It's like the PC gets a good game once a year or more. I think the problem is their is no quality assurance on the PC. The majority of games released are basically console rejects.Endgame_basic
PC and 360 each had 10 games in the top 50 for 2006 out of all platforms at gamerankings.com and 2006 was a slow year for pc gaming
Keep those blinders on.When a former pc-centric ompany like Epic makes a AAA title for a console with a userbase of around 10 million people and sells 4 million copies that about says it all. Maybe rather than see consoles as the enemy people should just enjoy good games on whatever platform they may be. I can't imagine as a gamer not having played Gears of War.
One major point you are missing, Endgame, is the fact that Gears of War really has nothing to do with the Xbox360. You know this game would run just fine on a PC. The problem is, Microsoft is getting in the way of PC gaming. They pay to have traditionally PC developers release games to the Xbox 360. And they purposefully delay games to the PC. Not because the PC can't handle a particular game, but because they want people to think exactly the way you do: That the Xbox 360 is something great. I have news for you, it's not.
The only reason things are the way they are is because MS is making it that way, and many console gamers have been led to believe, through an intense and expensive marketing campaign, to believe that the Xbox 360 is something special. The truth is: It is not.
This is just the same cycle we see all time time.....those who are claiming its "dying" are either too young or too inexperienced with games to see that this cycle has happened before.
PC is the only open platform out there and as long as people continue to use the hardware.
Also....for all this talk you hear of developers going to console....Many proven developers are still developing PC exclusive games due out this year and next......Bioware's Dragon Age, Crysis, Spore, Sins of a Solar Empire, Hellgate London, etc.....not to mention new development houses opening up making games for PC, studios like Flagship Studios (ex-Blizzard members), Hyboreal games (ex-Blizzard members), and Blackfoot Studios (Ex-Red Storm Entertainment members).
For all the rhetoric you hear of declining PC sales and PC not being profitable....you hear the exact opposite from PC developers like Valve, Blizzard, and Stardock reporting strong growth and profits in their PC games, especially with digital distribution giving more control and profit to developers.
Sure developers like CliffyB and Mark Rein of Epic are going on about Xbox 360 being able to keep up with high end PC's for visuals like Unreal Engine 3.....lets see if they still feels that way around 2008 and 2009 when PC easily pulls ahead of all console hardware, or in 2010 when its time to launch Unreal Engine 4....expecially given that MS said they dont plan on launching the new console till 2012.
The thing is people forget that PC was never meant to compete with consoles for popularity and mainstream use....its always been a niche platform, and in a way thats kinda good since because of it being a niche platform we have gotten and will continue to get types of games and innovations that you wont see elsewhere for quite awhile.
PC isn't dying....its just in a slumber right now since the new batch of consoles are new and all the attention is focused on them.Walk into any Gamestop, EB Games, or other major retailer and compare the selection of PC games today to five and ten years ago.
This is just the same cycle we see all time time.....those who are claiming its "dying" are either too young or too inexperienced with games to see that this cycle has happened before.
PC is the only open platform out there and as long as people continue to use the hardware.
Also....for all this talk you hear of developers going to console....Many proven developers are still developing PC exclusive games due out this year and next......Bioware's Dragon Age, Crysis, Spore, Sins of a Solar Empire, Hellgate London, etc.....not to mention new development houses opening up making games for PC, studios like Flagship Studios (ex-Blizzard members), Hyboreal games (ex-Blizzard members), and Blackfoot Studios (Ex-Red Storm Entertainment members).
For all the rhetoric you hear of declining PC sales and PC not being profitable....you hear the exact opposite from PC developers like Valve, Blizzard, and Stardock reporting strong growth and profits in their PC games, especially with digital distribution giving more control and profit to developers.
Sure developers like CliffyB and Mark Rein of Epic are going on about Xbox 360 being able to keep up with high end PC's for visuals like Unreal Engine 3.....lets see if they still feels that way around 2008 and 2009 when PC easily pulls ahead of all console hardware, or in 2010 when its time to launch Unreal Engine 4....expecially given that MS said they dont plan on launching the new console till 2012.
The thing is people forget that PC was never meant to compete with consoles for popularity and mainstream use....its always been a niche platform, and in a way thats kinda good since because of it being a niche platform we have gotten and will continue to get types of games and innovations that you wont see elsewhere for quite awhile.
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Gamestop has discontinued selling used PC games, at least in the Boston area. However, I think that the decline of PC gaming has pretty much plateued. Consoles are growing more rapidly, but there are a host of awesome PC games slated for release. Besides, look at Supreme Commander and the new C&C. The PC game market isn't really dying anymore, it's just matured.
[QUOTE="Endgame_basic"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Deihmos" I agree with you. You cannot get an experience like battlefield on a console. Also many people fail to realise how many crap games are released on the PC. Every week I see at least 10 new games for PC and none are good. It's like the PC gets a good game once a year or more. I think the problem is their is no quality assurance on the PC. The majority of games released are basically console rejects.Subcritical
PC and 360 each had 10 games in the top 50 for 2006 out of all platforms at gamerankings.com and 2006 was a slow year for pc gaming
Keep those blinders on.When a former pc-centric ompany like Epic makes a AAA title for a console with a userbase of around 10 million people and sells 4 million copies that about says it all. Maybe rather than see consoles as the enemy people should just enjoy good games on whatever platform they may be. I can't imagine as a gamer not having played Gears of War.
One major point you are missing, Endgame, is the fact that Gears of War really has nothing to do with the Xbox360. You know this game would run just fine on a PC. The problem is, Microsoft is getting in the way of PC gaming. They pay to have traditionally PC developers release games to the Xbox 360. And they purposefully delay games to the PC. Not because the PC can't handle a particular game, but because they want people to think exactly the way you do: That the Xbox 360 is something great. I have news for you, it's not.
The only reason things are the way they are is because MS is making it that way, and many console gamers have been led to believe, through an intense and expensive marketing campaign, to believe that the Xbox 360 is something special. The truth is: It is not.
A gaming system is only as good as it's games....
I don't quite understand your dislike of the 360. It has lots of games which should appeal to pc gamers. I was online last night playing GRAW 2 co-op with 11 other people. It seemed pretty fun to me. Very fun actually. I played the 1st GRAW on pc and 360 and it was MUCH better on 360, even minus the kb/m support
Secondly Microsoft had nothing to do with Gears of War being made solely for the 360, that was Epics decision. With Microsoft now putting millions behind Games For Windows why would they not want a top seller like Gears on Windows? It might be hard to believe, but creating a system selling product helps a company like Epic a ton. Epic even stated that it killed them to make UT3 Multiplatform, but pc gaming just wasn't profitbale enough nowadays.
Maybe you should learn to enioy all great games. That's what I do. I don't have a PS3 yet, but once enough good games come out for it I look forward to buying one. Than I'll be able to play every great game out there, not just pc games
Ya Know, only a console player would start this thread. Just becuase you don't see many games out on the shelves doesn't mean that PC Games are dying. It's the younger generation that has made console games popular and the younger people that waste their money on something that only lasts 5 hours, whereas, PC gamers don't have to buy a new game daily just to keep our interest. Also PC games are being bought online now, cheaper. Geez people get a clue, just becuase you read something or hear a rumor doesn't mean that it is true.cjones828so true
[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Endgame_basic"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Deihmos" I agree with you. You cannot get an experience like battlefield on a console. Also many people fail to realise how many crap games are released on the PC. Every week I see at least 10 new games for PC and none are good. It's like the PC gets a good game once a year or more. I think the problem is their is no quality assurance on the PC. The majority of games released are basically console rejects.Endgame_basic
PC and 360 each had 10 games in the top 50 for 2006 out of all platforms at gamerankings.com and 2006 was a slow year for pc gaming
Keep those blinders on.When a former pc-centric ompany like Epic makes a AAA title for a console with a userbase of around 10 million people and sells 4 million copies that about says it all. Maybe rather than see consoles as the enemy people should just enjoy good games on whatever platform they may be. I can't imagine as a gamer not having played Gears of War.
One major point you are missing, Endgame, is the fact that Gears of War really has nothing to do with the Xbox360. You know this game would run just fine on a PC. The problem is, Microsoft is getting in the way of PC gaming. They pay to have traditionally PC developers release games to the Xbox 360. And they purposefully delay games to the PC. Not because the PC can't handle a particular game, but because they want people to think exactly the way you do: That the Xbox 360 is something great. I have news for you, it's not.
The only reason things are the way they are is because MS is making it that way, and many console gamers have been led to believe, through an intense and expensive marketing campaign, to believe that the Xbox 360 is something special. The truth is: It is not.
A gaming system is only as good as it's games....
I don't quite understand your dislike of the 360. It has lots of games which should appeal to pc gamers. I was online last night playing GRAW 2 co-op with 11 other people. It seemed pretty fun to me. Very fun actually. I played the 1st GRAW on pc and 360 and it was MUCH better on 360, even minus the kb/m support
Secondly Microsoft had nothing to do with Gears of War being made solely for the 360, that was Epics decision. With Microsoft now putting millions behind Games For Windows why would they not want a top seller like Gears on Windows? It might be hard to believe, but creating a system selling product helps a company like Epic a ton. Epic even stated that it killed them to make UT3 Multiplatform, but pc gaming just wasn't profitbale enough nowadays.
Maybe you should learn to enioy all great games. That's what I do. I don't have a PS3 yet, but once enough good games come out for it I look forward to buying one. Than I'll be able to play every great game out there, not just pc games
Gears of War being only on 360 was Epics decision when they were given a nice $um to keep it off the pc for awhile.
Gears was needed since Halo 3 couldnt meet the PS3 launch. Now the 360 has 2 popular shooter franchises.
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