Why so much hate towards Oblivion?

because people were expecting an RPG with action elements, not an action game with RPG elements.

I loved Oblivion personally, but I imagine if I had played previous installments I'd feel different. I guess people feel about Oblivion the way as I, a lover of Deus Ex 1, feel hate towards Deus Ex 2.

mrbojangles25

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because people were expecting an RPG with action elements, not an action game with RPG elements.

I loved Oblivion personally, but I imagine if I had played previous installments I'd feel different. I guess people feel about Oblivion the way as I, a lover of Deus Ex 1, feel hate towards Deus Ex 2.

Ragingbear505

I guess for most people it's a let down compared to Morrowind. For me, I did play just the main quest - but there was a point where it just felt like a chore; specifically, when I had to round up men to go to the great gate thing. After beating Paradise, I wasn't really inspired to pick a guild or do side quests. I just stopped playing. To be fair, I didn't like Morrowind either. That game put me to sleep. I guess they're just not my cup of tea

People LOVE to complain

People LOVE to complain

popopatrol

I think the game has tons of issues (most of which have already been mentioned), to the point where it's easily the most flawed big-budget RPG I've ever played.

Even so, while it was a huge disappointment, most of my hate stems from the fact that it's popular, more than anything else. It (and Fallout 3) generated huge fanbases of people who'd never played the earlier games, had never really been fans of RPGs, and yet they still insisted that Bethesda was god and every other RPG company was doing it wrong.
Worse still, companies listened to them. RPG series seem to have just gone more and more mainstream since then, losing a lot of their depth and appeal.

Even so, while it was a huge disappointment, most of my hate stems from the fact that it's popular, more than anything else. It (and Fallout 3) generated huge fanbases of people who'd never played the earlier games, had never really been fans of RPGs, and yet they still insisted that Bethesda was god and every other RPG company was doing it wrong.

Planeforger

yeah, most of the negativity toward the game stems from the high review rating as a RPG across the board. you have to look into the whole context as how people criticize it: not many people will put it into the worst game category, but quite a few will agree that it's among the most overrated RPGs.

yeah, most of the negativity toward the game stems from the high review rating as a RPG across the board. you have to look into the whole context as how people criticize it: not many people will put it into the worst game category, but quite a few will agree that it's among the most overrated RPGs.

teardropmina

Exactly, Oblivion is probably the MOST OVERRATED RPG. Call it Hack n slash or some other genre then its fine. Call it rpg then your disillusioned.

Yeah, I've been trying. I've installed a ton of mods to get a better mood flowing, like sound things and graphic enhancers and such. It's helped, but I'm still working on it. :PdreDREb13

Just watch out how many mods you use. I put in at least four different texture fix mods, a rock texture mod, a mesh improvements mod (multiplies polygon count on many things), a grass mod, better bodies and best and clothes mods, some alchemy and house mods, two bugfix mods the Graphics Extender; went to run the game and got a fantastic 3 fps. Mods are crazy inefficient users of system resources.

But yeah. I've never played Oblivion; found Morrowind GOTY for $7 new at Half-Price Books and picked it up. It's incredible, though the combat system bugs the crap out of me, and after twenty hours spent, I must now admit that for the second time I've made a character who sucks and will have to restart. My other gripe is how you can accidently nick a friendly and then they'll follow you across the map until you kill them. Not cool. I've watched my friend play Oblivion, but it looks more noob-friendly...

vanilla oblivion isn't a bad game it just has its fair share of faults and some people could live with them, some couldn't.

the story was cliched and predictable, patrick stewart aside, the voice acting was poor, the main quest was repetitive and unimaginitve, a lot of the quests were just "go fetch" missions and the levelling system was fatally flawed.

its strength lies in the guild quests, the combat (in comparison to other games in the genre, although oblivion is less rpg more action/adventure game), the picturesque scenery, evocative music, the freedom you were afforded and the mod community

Macutchi

I think it's a good game. The story is meh, but the sidequests are fun and the Dark Brotherhood is awesome and the gameplay is sweet (First Person RPG). I like this game =)

There are several reasons why people "hate" Oblivion. Most of them have to do with it sucking, and the rest are about the fact that millions of people play it despite it sucking, which had the result of making the entire damn genre move towards the suck direction.

There are several reasons why people "hate" Oblivion. Most of them have to do with it sucking, and the rest are about the fact that millions of people play it despite it sucking, which had the result of making the entire damn genre move towards the suck direction.

Barbariser

As most others said, it is not a bad game.

It is however a bad RPG, looking at it like any other RPG it falls hopelessly short, but if you dismiss the genre, and look at it like say, an rpg, then it is pretty good.

For me the only thing that really hurts Oblivion is the RPG sticker it has, it is competent in more then a few areas, but it has its share of faults.

Lack of different textures and indoor design, makes dungeon raiding stale fast, and everything is too procedural and feels too trigger scripted, and there is this unnerving feeling that when youve playied it for something like 7-10 hours, then you begin to see through the aspects of the game, and begin to feel the repetition.

It is a small set of complaints Tho, it does alot of things really well. I love the stealth in Oblivion, and consider it the best stealthgame since the Thief series, which is quite telling, since stealth is just a small componant of Oblivion, I like the feel of the bows, I love the fighting, and I like the exploration (despite the textures tire me out).

I generally like alot about the game, and I still consider it one of the must haves of this gen.

Load of bugs? Depends how you see it. Nowadays oblivion is almost perfect in stability with the latest patches. Cant say the same about morrowind and fallout 3 though. I think the reason most people hate oblivion is because there is not anything sustantial for hardcore rpg gamers. Eg: choices you make dont matter much or change the world, the combat is balanced so no point in leveling, overall a great casual open world game but nothing that makes the game to use the mircomanage part of the hardcore gamer's brain which is what matters most in rpgs. For the record i liked oblivion more than morrowind, i thought morrowind was horribly slow in progression and sonner or later it became borring and hard to follow.dakan45

I've gave up on oblivion, all it does is crash. Morrowind HAS NEVER crashed on me. The game is boring. There's no point in playing after you beat all the quests. You obviously like your games easy. I do not. I want to work for my accoplishments. I don't want to press key A and get everything. Morrowind had challlenge, it was fun collecting stuff. And setting up a house. Oblivion just plain sucked.

I hated Morrowind, it was too tedious to get anywhere for me. Oblivion was a nice balance between distance and storyline saturation. I do hate the oblivion gates that pop up everywhere though. I think the thing people rage about Oblivion is that it's a bit short for storyline. I'm almost done it and I've barely played, which leads me to my next statement, where Oblivion is fun and all, the storyline kinda gets dry so far through. I haven't been enjoying it as much as I was right off the bat. In the beginning it's like "GO GO GO AWESOME!" and halfway through it's like "oh guess what happened again, another oblivion gate, close it please then I'll help you" essentially making me the errand boy.

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People LOVE to complain

KHAndAnime

But obviously the critique becomes more than just a few complaints and somehow turns into disdain for a game just because it wasn't tailored directly to their liking

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because people were expecting an RPG with action elements, not an action game with RPG elements.

I loved Oblivion personally, but I imagine if I had played previous installments I'd feel different. I guess people feel about Oblivion the way as I, a lover of Deus Ex 1, feel hate towards Deus Ex 2.

Ragingbear505

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Load of bugs? Depends how you see it. Nowadays oblivion is almost perfect in stability with the latest patches. Cant say the same about morrowind and fallout 3 though. I think the reason most people hate oblivion is because there is not anything sustantial for hardcore rpg gamers. Eg: choices you make dont matter much or change the world, the combat is balanced so no point in leveling, overall a great casual open world game but nothing that makes the game to use the mircomanage part of the hardcore gamer's brain which is what matters most in rpgs. For the record i liked oblivion more than morrowind, i thought morrowind was horribly slow in progression and sonner or later it became borring and hard to follow.morrowindnic

I've gave up on oblivion, all it does is crash. Morrowind HAS NEVER crashed on me. The game is boring. There's no point in playing after you beat all the quests. You obviously like your games easy. I do not. I want to work for my accoplishments. I don't want to press key A and get everything. Morrowind had challlenge, it was fun collecting stuff. And setting up a house. Oblivion just plain sucked.

There are several reasons why people "hate" Oblivion. Most of them have to do with it sucking, and the rest are about the fact that millions of people play it despite it sucking, which had the result of making the entire damn genre move towards the suck direction.

Barbariser

because people were expecting an RPG with action elements, not an action game with RPG elements.

I loved Oblivion personally, but I imagine if I had played previous installments I'd feel different. I guess people feel about Oblivion the way as I, a lover of Deus Ex 1, feel hate towards Deus Ex 2.

mrbojangles25

I loved Oblivion, it's one of my favorite games. I don't see how anyone could hate this game. It's so much fun.

How could that be, since Morrowind was similar to Oblivion in many ways.SkyWard20

Judge a game base on its own merits and not its predecessors. Bethesda said rpg not hack n slash or action adventure. When they say rpg we expect rpg.

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How could that be, since Morrowind was similar to Oblivion in many ways.Gamerz1569

Judge a game base on its own merits and not its predecessors. Bethesda said rpg not hack n slash or action adventure. When they say rpg we expect rpg.

There is no single definition of a RPG. :OSkyWard20

Its more of the lack of real rpg elemetns eg; Baldur's Gate series, Fallout series , The Witcher, even Mass Effect series had more rpg elements than Oblivion. Oblivion simply lack choices, despite being "open world" it felt very linear.

It's a dumbed down version of Morrowind, like Fallout 3 is to Fallout 2.Legolas_Katarn

Really now? I think it is an IMPROVED version.

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[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]It's a dumbed down version of Morrowind, like Fallout 3 is to Fallout 2.LIONHEART-_-

Really now? I think it is an IMPROVED version.

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what kind of IMPROVEMENT you're talking about? flashier graphics? semi-real time shooter combat? FS/TS view?

regardlessly, all of the above has nothing to do with a game being dumbed down or smarted up.

when considering quest design, leveling system, and combat strategy, Fallout 3 is dumber and dumber (with DLCs) than original Fallouts.

I've played both of them to death, and I think I prefer Morrowind, but they both have their strengths. Generally, Oblivion plays better, but there is just so much more content in Morrowind.