Will either of these computers run WoW on Ultra smoothly and which is best?

The second one has a Nvedia Geforce 7025 graphics, the info is below. RobertWhite11

That is onboard graphics which is not a graphics card, it is a crappy low cost chip tacked onto the motherboard. A graphics card is something you plug into a slot and you can remove.

I'm looking for a semi-decent computer to play games on, primarily World of Warcraft, but I'd be nice to know how good they are. And do you think I could build one to these specs more cheaply, and if so by how much about?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Quad-Core-HD-Gaming-Computer-PC-1TB-4GB-DDR3-ATI-5450-/200597899366?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2eb4910866#ht_3016wt_982

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-QUAD-CORE-3-4-GHz-PHENOM-AMD-965-PC-1TB-4GB-DDR3-/250761303536?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item3a6289d5f0#ht_4800wt_1002

Thanks! EDIT: You may have to refresh the first links page to see all the details below.RobertWhite11

I do have an ATI Radeon Hd5450 graphics card at home I can use.RobertWhite11

That's a low end card, wow isn't very demanding, but it will struggle on ultra.

I used to play wow on a 4650 which is more powerful and I had to put all settings on medium at 1920x1080.

What resolution will you be playing on?

I have a 23 inch monitor (maybe 22) so whatever that is :SRobertWhite11

probably about 1920x1080

When it comes to games the most important thing is the graphics card, if that is low nothing will play well. And the cards you are talking about are basically the slowest things being produced this generation.

I think a 5770 will do well.

epicpctime here.. we about to change the game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCrbv81SBHg

heres a solution which would work!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-Desktop-Computer-Tower-Powerful-Gaming-PC-/160588694598?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2563d50446#ht_504wt_1139

that PC (bid) is amazing for its tag 200 GBP for a 7950gt & q6600.. fing smart! 1.5tb hard drive space (3 drives in raid 0) haters your getting weak!

sell the gpu for like $35

get that gpu to replace it (not in that order)

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-hd5750-ddr5-single-slot-ip-5x-fan-dual-dvi-dp-eyefinity-pci-e-card

tada i just pwned your gaming experience.. expect to play it on ultra when not in raids and drop it to high when you raid 25-man's

you could also save up say 100 bucks more and slay it further by building one yourself!

WoW is mostly CPU bottlenecked, so if your just looking to run wow I'd say get something with a decent cpu and a 5770/460.

The 2nd one has a better cpu

The 2nd one has a better cpu

GummiRaccoon

I probably couldn't afford that ^^RobertWhite11

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

The 2nd one has a better cpu

RobertWhite11

a cpu or central processing unit is like the brain of a computer and its often used as some sort of a curtain to hide the actual power & potential of a machine by pre-built companies. and its often used to make the pre-builts sound important..

atm only 3 companies make cpu's (for consumers anyway)

INTEL, AMD, and VIAO

famous cpu's or cpu families include:

core 2 duo/quad/extreme, pentium 4/d, celeron, core i7, athalon xp, phenom, turion, and atom

cpu's ad their preformance are jsut one piece of a computers ability to play games.. the others are the version of windows its running (vista, 7 , xp, etc.) the graphics card (argueably the most important part, and the most commonly mis-informed or lied about) and the memory which is the most unimportant on this list..

ow a good gaming machine achieves a balance of all of these things.. a current operating system, a heathly amount of ram and a powerful cpu and gpu.. those two you lsited have a good os, good amounts of ram, and both in their own way have good cpu's but both dont have a good gpu at all.. in fact one technically goesnt even ahve one (as you dont need a true graphics card to have a computer "work").

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

The 2nd one has a better cpu

ionusX

a cpu or central processing unit is like the brain of a computer and its often used as some sort of a curtain to hide the actual power & potential of a machine by pre-built companies. and its often used to make the pre-builts sound important..

atm only 3 companies make cpu's (for consumers anyway)

INTEL, AMD, and VIAO

famous cpu's or cpu families include:

core 2 duo/quad/extreme, pentium 4/d, celeron, core i7, athalon xp, phenom, turion, and atom

cpu's ad their preformance are jsut one piece of a computers ability to play games.. the others are the version of windows its running (vista, 7 , xp, etc.) the graphics card (argueably the most important part, and the most commonly mis-informed or lied about) and the memory which is the most unimportant on this list..

ow a good gaming machine achieves a balance of all of these things.. a current operating system, a heathly amount of ram and a powerful cpu and gpu.. those two you lsited have a good os, good amounts of ram, and both in their own way have good cpu's but both dont have a good gpu at all.. in fact one technically goesnt even ahve one (as you dont need a true graphics card to have a computer "work").

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"] Ahh, I see, is it good CPU?RobertWhite11

a cpu or central processing unit is like the brain of a computer and its often used as some sort of a curtain to hide the actual power & potential of a machine by pre-built companies. and its often used to make the pre-builts sound important..

atm only 3 companies make cpu's (for consumers anyway)

INTEL, AMD, and VIAO

famous cpu's or cpu families include:

core 2 duo/quad/extreme, pentium 4/d, celeron, core i7, athalon xp, phenom, turion, and atom

cpu's ad their preformance are jsut one piece of a computers ability to play games.. the others are the version of windows its running (vista, 7 , xp, etc.) the graphics card (argueably the most important part, and the most commonly mis-informed or lied about) and the memory which is the most unimportant on this list..

ow a good gaming machine achieves a balance of all of these things.. a current operating system, a heathly amount of ram and a powerful cpu and gpu.. those two you lsited have a good os, good amounts of ram, and both in their own way have good cpu's but both dont have a good gpu at all.. in fact one technically goesnt even ahve one (as you dont need a true graphics card to have a computer "work").

for a cheaper rpcie? eh doubtful you would need to sacrifice something.. somewhere msot likely ahrd drive space & the case i guarantee would be vastly different but for that price your basically gettign yor moneys worth..

best i could do on your budget would probably be an athalon II x3 rana tri-core cpu with 4gb ram 500gb hdd and like an hd 4670/5570

which .. while not he greatest is better than at least one of those systems by a considerbale sum..

ya know waht.. inf act ill take a stab at it.. BRB with a reply and a build list..

OS: windows 7 64-bit 70 GBP

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-sp1-operating-system-single-oem

cooler master elite 330 high preformance case 28 gbp

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-elite-330-black-silver-midi-tower-case-w-o-psu

saegate 500gb HDD 29 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500-gb-seagate-st3500418as-barracuda-720012-sata-3gb-s-7200rpm-16mb-cache-95-ms-ncq

ASUS AM3 motherboard ddr3 complaint m-atx form factor 45gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-m4a78lt-m-le-amd-760g-s-am3-ddr3-1800(oc)-sata-3gb-s-sata-raid-microatx-onboard-graphics

4gb ddr3 corsair single stick 35.5 GBP:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-corsair-xms3-ddr3-pc3-10666-(1333)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-150v

amd athalon II 4 640 quad core 74 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-athlon-ii-x4-640-propus-quad-core-s-am3-3ghz-2mb-total-cache-ht-2000mhz-95w-retail

generic sony dvd-rom 12 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/sony-ddu1681s-0b-18x-dvd-rom-smart-x-sata-black-oem

cooler master 500 watt psu 31 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-coolermaster-elite-power-power-supply-(psu)

total 325 GBP after VAT however you would still need a videocard

given a budget of 400 GBP heres the modification:

add this gpu:

XFX hd 5830 for 83.5gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-hd-5830-pci-e-21-(x16)-4500mhz-gddr5-gpu-840mhz-1120-cores-dp-2xdl-dvi-i-hdmi

change the case to:

in-win griffin for 34.8gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/inwin-griffin-black-mid-tower-gaming-case-with-side-window-and-22-side-silent-fan-w-o-psu

total is about:

388 pounds and thats after VAT

preformance wise the 388 dollar one i wrote up jsut know eats your two for breakfast like its going out of fashion .. so a little can in fact go a long way in britain..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVPJundUm0

the 388 dollar option i gave you would let you basically play games the same way i do which would be high - max 1680 x 1200 resolution or lower.. with almost no exceptions.. nevermind WoW

OS: windows 7 64-bit 70 GBP

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-sp1-operating-system-single-oem

cooler master elite 330 high preformance case 28 gbp

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-elite-330-black-silver-midi-tower-case-w-o-psu

saegate 500gb HDD 29 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500-gb-seagate-st3500418as-barracuda-720012-sata-3gb-s-7200rpm-16mb-cache-95-ms-ncq

ASUS AM3 motherboard ddr3 complaint m-atx form factor 45gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-m4a78lt-m-le-amd-760g-s-am3-ddr3-1800(oc)-sata-3gb-s-sata-raid-microatx-onboard-graphics

4gb ddr3 corsair single stick 35.5 GBP:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-corsair-xms3-ddr3-pc3-10666-(1333)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-150v

amd athalon II 4 640 quad core 74 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-athlon-ii-x4-640-propus-quad-core-s-am3-3ghz-2mb-total-cache-ht-2000mhz-95w-retail

generic sony dvd-rom 12 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/sony-ddu1681s-0b-18x-dvd-rom-smart-x-sata-black-oem

cooler master 500 watt psu 31 gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-coolermaster-elite-power-power-supply-(psu)

total 325 GBP after VAT however you would still need a videocard

given a budget of 400 GBP heres the modification:

add this gpu:

XFX hd 5830 for 83.5gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-hd-5830-pci-e-21-(x16)-4500mhz-gddr5-gpu-840mhz-1120-cores-dp-2xdl-dvi-i-hdmi

change the case to:

in-win griffin for 34.8gbp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/inwin-griffin-black-mid-tower-gaming-case-with-side-window-and-22-side-silent-fan-w-o-psu

total is about:

388 pounds and thats after VAT

preformance wise the 388 dollar one i wrote up jsut know eats your two for breakfast like its going out of fashion .. so a little can in fact go a long way in britain..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVPJundUm0

the 388 dollar option i gave you would let you basically play games the same way i do which would be high - max 1680 x 1200 resolution or lower.. with almost no exceptions.. nevermind WoW

ionusX

What kind of games could these systems run, and why are they so much better than the ones I listed too?RobertWhite11

the first one no it wouldnt be better than either.. my 388 GBP revision could play any game you want on high to max at resolutions under 1080p

Tbh, the graphics cards mentioned above will give you around 30-40 FPS when you on your own on ultra, but if you're in crowded areas like citys/raiding, you'll easily drop down to >10. I use a GTX 460 and I still go down to 20 FPS on Ultra, even with Shadows on High rather than ultra whilst raiding..

None of those computers will sniff ultra that you mentioned, they'd be lucky to be decent on medium.

Tbh, the graphics cards mentioned above will give you around 30-40 FPS when you on your own on ultra, but if you're in crowded areas like citys/raiding, you'll easily drop down to >10. I use a GTX 460 and I still go down to 20 FPS on Ultra, even with Shadows on High rather than ultra whilst raiding..

None of those computers will sniff ultra that you mentioned, they'd be lucky to be decent on medium.

RaseshX

sub 1080p ahahah i lolled

on a similar system i was playing WoW amd getting 45fps + while raiding 25 mans on high fukll aa and af

and outside of raids even in towns i was hitting 40-60fps on maxed out settings no matter where i went (omitting outlands but outlands is bad anyway)

if your wondering those results were taken from ICC & ulduar at various points in time ..even during boss fights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

Practically any computer will be lagged, but not because of the reasons you think, it only really lags because it has to download loads of animations and images from lots of people all over the world so to do this it has to wait(lag) until the image is downloaded and displayed. It has almost nothing to do with how powerful a machine is it is 95% down to the fact the game has to download information from across the globe and organise it all in the right order and then display it... Do not believe the people who will undoubtedly say "Oh every computer lags, WoW is badly optimized and unplayable!!". Its complete ass gravy... Dribble.

The game is extremely dependant on downloading information such as spells, stats, damage, animations, movements of others, their armour, weapons... SO if you got to download all this and display it IN REAL TIME then even the best computer has to wait for the data to be downloaded before it can display it. I ran wow at 1680x1050 on a 9600GT and a lot of the times i was getting 60fps but as soon as someone moved my computer then had to download his position and make sure none of his armour or weapons changed and that reduced my frame rate because the information wasn't downloaded yet so it had to wait.

[QUOTE="RaseshX"]

Tbh, the graphics cards mentioned above will give you around 30-40 FPS when you on your own on ultra, but if you're in crowded areas like citys/raiding, you'll easily drop down to >10. I use a GTX 460 and I still go down to 20 FPS on Ultra, even with Shadows on High rather than ultra whilst raiding..

None of those computers will sniff ultra that you mentioned, they'd be lucky to be decent on medium.

ionusX

sub 1080p ahahah i lolled

on a similar system i was playing WoW amd getting 45fps + while raiding 25 mans on high fukll aa and af

and outside of raids even in towns i was hitting 40-60fps on maxed out settings no matter where i went (omitting outlands but outlands is bad anyway)

if your wondering those results were taken from ICC & ulduar at various points in time ..even during boss fights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

Also, learn to type.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="RaseshX"]

Tbh, the graphics cards mentioned above will give you around 30-40 FPS when you on your own on ultra, but if you're in crowded areas like citys/raiding, you'll easily drop down to >10. I use a GTX 460 and I still go down to 20 FPS on Ultra, even with Shadows on High rather than ultra whilst raiding..

None of those computers will sniff ultra that you mentioned, they'd be lucky to be decent on medium.

RaseshX

sub 1080p ahahah i lolled

on a similar system i was playing WoW amd getting 45fps + while raiding 25 mans on high fukll aa and af

and outside of raids even in towns i was hitting 40-60fps on maxed out settings no matter where i went (omitting outlands but outlands is bad anyway)

if your wondering those results were taken from ICC & ulduar at various points in time ..even during boss fights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

im not talking about your sig im saying that a 5830 can easily handle the game on ultra doing everything but the bigger and mroe complex 25-man raids in sub 1080p resolutions

I've updated all of this, I've learnt so much about computers these past few days and have built upon the one you gave me, it will cost, with operating system and wireless, 405 pounds including delivery. What do you think?: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black, Deneb Core, S AM3, 3.2GHz, 8MB Cache, HT 3600MHz, 125W, Retail Asus M4A78LT-M, AMD 760G, AM3, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 1600/1800, SATA 3Gb/s RAID, Micro ATX, VGA 1GB XFX HD 5830, PCI-E 2.1 (x16), 4500MHz GDDR5, GPU 840MHz, 1120 Cores, DP/ 2xDL DVI-I/ HDMI 500W Coolermaster Elite Power Power Supply (PSU) 500GB Samsung HD502HJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ, OEM 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic, DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V Inwin Griffin, Black, Mid Tower Gaming Case, with Side Window & 22" Side Silent Fan, w/o psu OS: Windows 7RobertWhite11

thats really good in fact omitting the case and PSU you and me basically have the same PC,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZUHNvFubg

if your curious my system:

amd phenom II x4 955

asus am3 ddr2 motherboard

4gb ddr2-800 ocz reaper (ddr3 is cheaper but i already ahd it and preformance wise ddr3 is basically energy efficient ddr2)

antec 900

softtech safepower 585 watt

sony dvd-rom

320gb seagate sata II HDD

180gb WD caviar black sata sata II HDD

sapphire hd 5830 codmw2 ed.

AC freezer 7 pro cpu fansink

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"]I've updated all of this, I've learnt so much about computers these past few days and have built upon the one you gave me, it will cost, with operating system and wireless, 405 pounds including delivery. What do you think?: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black, Deneb Core, S AM3, 3.2GHz, 8MB Cache, HT 3600MHz, 125W, Retail Asus M4A78LT-M, AMD 760G, AM3, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 1600/1800, SATA 3Gb/s RAID, Micro ATX, VGA 1GB XFX HD 5830, PCI-E 2.1 (x16), 4500MHz GDDR5, GPU 840MHz, 1120 Cores, DP/ 2xDL DVI-I/ HDMI 500W Coolermaster Elite Power Power Supply (PSU) 500GB Samsung HD502HJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ, OEM 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic, DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V Inwin Griffin, Black, Mid Tower Gaming Case, with Side Window & 22" Side Silent Fan, w/o psu OS: Windows 7ionusX

thats really good in fact omitting the case and PSU you and me basically have the same PC,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZUHNvFubg

if your curious my system:

amd phenom II x4 955

asus am3 ddr2 motherboard

4gb ddr2-800 ocz reaper (ddr3 is cheaper but i already ahd it and preformance wise ddr3 is basically energy efficient ddr2)

antec 900

softtech safepower 585 watt

sony dvd-rom

320gb seagate sata II HDD

180gb WD caviar black sata sata II HDD

sapphire hd 5830 codmw2 ed.

AC freezer 7 pro cpu fansink

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"]I've updated all of this, I've learnt so much about computers these past few days and have built upon the one you gave me, it will cost, with operating system and wireless, 405 pounds including delivery. What do you think?: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black, Deneb Core, S AM3, 3.2GHz, 8MB Cache, HT 3600MHz, 125W, Retail Asus M4A78LT-M, AMD 760G, AM3, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR3 1600/1800, SATA 3Gb/s RAID, Micro ATX, VGA 1GB XFX HD 5830, PCI-E 2.1 (x16), 4500MHz GDDR5, GPU 840MHz, 1120 Cores, DP/ 2xDL DVI-I/ HDMI 500W Coolermaster Elite Power Power Supply (PSU) 500GB Samsung HD502HJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ, OEM 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic, DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V Inwin Griffin, Black, Mid Tower Gaming Case, with Side Window & 22" Side Silent Fan, w/o psu OS: Windows 7RobertWhite11

thats really good in fact omitting the case and PSU you and me basically have the same PC,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpZUHNvFubg

if your curious my system:

amd phenom II x4 955

asus am3 ddr2 motherboard

4gb ddr2-800 ocz reaper (ddr3 is cheaper but i already ahd it and preformance wise ddr3 is basically energy efficient ddr2)

antec 900

softtech safepower 585 watt

sony dvd-rom

320gb seagate sata II HDD

180gb WD caviar black sata sata II HDD

sapphire hd 5830 codmw2 ed.

AC freezer 7 pro cpu fansink

minus the fact that mine came with some cool art their the same.. wlel that and yours might come with a copy of avp2010 and mine came with codmw2

Apparently I need 2 x 6+2pin PCI-E Power which the coolmaster elite doesn't have, is this right?RobertWhite11

yes it is hmm.. well the card comes with one anyway :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny3ZD8PBevw

XFX minted two variants of the card the difference is the fan itself thats it...

What do you mean by the card has one, and what is it that requires those connections? ^^RobertWhite11

okay the videocard comes with a bunch of converter cables.. basically one of them takes two IDE 4-pin power connecotrs and turns them into one 6-pin video card connector.. simply use it to get your missing 6-pin to pwoer your videocard

IDE power connecotrs used to be used on floppy drives and cd-drives.. both have either been killed off or replaced by dvd drives.

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"]What do you mean by the card has one, and what is it that requires those connections? ^^ionusX

okay the videocard comes with a bunch of converter cables.. basically one of them takes two IDE 4-pin power connecotrs and turns them into one 6-pin video card connector.. simply use it to get your missing 6-pin to pwoer your videocard

IDE power connecotrs used to be used on floppy drives and cd-drives.. both have either been killed off or replaced by dvd drives.

Remember WoW can utilize DX11 now, and with a decent DX11 card say at least a 5770 or 460 typical FPS is 50% higher than in its DX9 API. Phenom IIs are a steal right now, build a budget system around a 955 with a decent DX11 card and you'll be satisfied.BygByron3

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="RobertWhite11"]What do you mean by the card has one, and what is it that requires those connections? ^^RobertWhite11

okay the videocard comes with a bunch of converter cables.. basically one of them takes two IDE 4-pin power connecotrs and turns them into one 6-pin video card connector.. simply use it to get your missing 6-pin to pwoer your videocard

IDE power connecotrs used to be used on floppy drives and cd-drives.. both have either been killed off or replaced by dvd drives.

nope not really.. its jsut a bit more difficult to cable manage bt considering tis is your first build cable management shouldnt be a top priority..