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For me video card drivers. Everything else worked fine.When people say that drivers are lacking, which specific drivers are we talking about?
Really want to give W8 a test in a "real enviroment" but can't be arsed with having to restore my rig, if some banal issue inhibits daily use or gaming.
MlauTheDaft
Windows 8 is meant to launch Microsoft into the mobile sectorand to push touch tech into the homes of everyone. It is not meant with gamers in mind. They want to bring it to the average consumer
Windows 8 is meant to launch Microsoft into the mobile sectorand to push touch tech into the homes of everyone. It is not meant with gamers in mind. They want to bring it to the average consumer
James161324
At first I was going to say something like " Thanks Capt. Obvious ", but then I realized that many PC gamers do not understand this. Or they just do not want to believe that the world does not revolve around them.
[QUOTE="James161324"]
Windows 8 is meant to launch Microsoft into the mobile sectorand to push touch tech into the homes of everyone. It is not meant with gamers in mind. They want to bring it to the average consumer
Cruxis27
At first I was going to say something like " Thanks Capt. Obvious ", but then I realized that many PC gamers do not understand this. Or they just do not want to believe that the world does not revolve around them.
You are BOTH correct.
Even though MS has always tried to bring Windows into the average home user as well as the business user, with Win8 they want to make it even more accessible and streamlined for average use. The Metro interface has all the info you need on one screen, with live updates using live tiles. No need to figure out what program to open. (Yes, fixing computers over the years has taught me that many people don't know that Internet Explorer is for Internet, Outlook for Emails, etc etc).
For gamers it's a minor update, with probably a few more optimizations and faster boot time. Like I said countless times, if ur a gamer happy with Win7, NO ONE is forcing you to upgrade, if ur going to build a new rig soon or want to upgrade ur OS, Win8 is a good bet.
ONE THING gamers SHOULD be looking forward to is the instant restore function, cause lots of gamers constantly re-format. We have to wait and see how it works though.
[QUOTE="James161324"]
Windows 8 is meant to launch Microsoft into the mobile sectorand to push touch tech into the homes of everyone. It is not meant with gamers in mind. They want to bring it to the average consumer
Cruxis27
At first I was going to say something like " Thanks Capt. Obvious ", but then I realized that many PC gamers do not understand this. Or they just do not want to believe that the world does not revolve around them.
Of course i'm being Capetian Obvious, as you stated it just seems that no one wants to think in the way Microsoft thinks. We are a small percentage of their market. They will add some things for gamers but we will never have a gamers OS
[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]I wouldn't say they force you to upgrade your OS. I'm still running Vista, mainly because it works fine for me and I'm too cheap to upgrade, so I could easily skip Windows 7 and get Windows 8 instead. It's looking like getting Windows 7 to skip Windows 8 might be a better option, though. Exactly. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO UPGRADE. If you do decide to go Win8, both Metro and the desktop work fine, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with Metro, it's either they don't know how to use a mouse or they just don't want to learn something new. This new Release Preview even optimized Metro for Keyboard and Mouse.Which is fair, but MS essentially forces the use of new operating systems. You must understand that eventually we will all have to use it. And yes, it is a mess. Why should designing it with tablets in mind mean that you have to make it so hard to use with a mouse and keyboard? They should of designed it so it works well both ways.
FelipeInside
Course they do as they stop bringing new features to the older OS.
I bet Windows 8 will have better multicore support, especially for people with AMD cpus and that's something that should have been a SP for Windows 7 but will now be a feature for 8. Wouldn't surprise me if in the future DX12 comes out for 8 but not 7 and features that we've needed to protect SSDs are on Windows 8 but not 7 and wont veer come to 7...
They're forcing you to upgrade if you have new hardware.
Win7 will be of use to you for years to come. Heck, even XP is being supported till 2014 so I don't see why people worry.Windows 8 sucks, it has a **** UI... don't want it and if Microsoft decide to make you need Windows 8 then **** them I'll pirate it and not support them.
Tixylixx
If it took me a while to get ajusted, then average Joe will have a nightmare using it.
I can see it being more hated than Vista
Or the average Joe will find it easier cause it's more streamlined? Like I mean we think as PC Gamers, not as average Joe's. For example the Windows Phone uses Metro too.... and I've shown it to many average Joes and they pick it up straight away...If it took me a while to get ajusted, then average Joe will have a nightmare using it.
Idontremember
I can see it being more hated than Vista
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Even if your building a new machine, stick to Windows 7...sSubZerOoYou can, but with Win8 you get a bit more future support for things like SSD and optimizations etc. You can go either way and you'll be fine. ... Which have shown to be compeltely unneccesary, and Microsoft isn't going to suddenly drop Windows 7.. People were able to get by with Windows XP for upwards to 8 years easy, Windows 7 was really the only OS that actually showed a clear improvement over it.. Vista was a resource hog and a mess in multiple areas.. Windows 7 is the new xp, there is little point to upgrade to 8 when we literally just got 7 more or less.. Yes of course. Like I said, I used XP for nearly 10 years or so? I'm just saying that if ur building a new rig, going Win8 is still a safe bet (as is Win7), since it's basically Win7 with faster boot times, a few tweaks here and there, and Metro (which u can turn off).
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO UPGRADE. If you do decide to go Win8, both Metro and the desktop work fine, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with Metro, it's either they don't know how to use a mouse or they just don't want to learn something new. This new Release Preview even optimized Metro for Keyboard and Mouse.Jebus213I used Windows 8 for a month and Metro is complete trash. Using Metro is like almost like doing arm circles. Navigating that **** is such pain in the ass.
Yes, with a mouse it's different from the start menu. I didn't find it as uncomfortable as others though. Maybe cause I'm used to Metro from my Windows Phone ???
If you have a keyboard, just use the instant search, ten times faster.
If you're having trouble with Windows 8, then you truly weren't using 7 to its potential.
Is it that hard? They literally just replace a little menu with an entire screen. They replace a list with branches, to a screen with icons. You can still sort stuff and make it organized. I don't see what the big deal is for everyone. The boot times, cloud synchronization, explorer tweakes, resoruce manager etc.... lots of good improvements over seven and everyone is crying about metro, it's not even in the way. Add a touch screen and metro has its perks, and I agree, programs built in metro are clumsy with a keyboard and mouse, but you're not forced to use them.
And honestly, I agree if you say you're going to stick to 7. Honestly for some there aren't enough substantial improvements in 8 to warrant the purchase of a whole new operating system. But don't just bash 8, it has its improvements.
Stupidly, I tried Windows 8 and HATED it. I had to reinstall everything to get back to Windows 7. It was a disaster. Seriously though, Windows 7 is fantastic, why do we need an alleged "upgrade"? Seems like Windows 8 is suited for something else, maybe tablets or some other platform.
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]It was a disaster cause U had to.reinstall everything? Someone didn't do their research....kraychikYes it was my fault, I couldn't recover the windows.old folder correctly and get everything working again. Still, Windows 8 makes no sense. It makes as much sense as not ever using the start menu after 7 was launched.
[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]It was a disaster cause U had to.reinstall everything? Someone didn't do their research....DanielDustYes it was my fault, I couldn't recover the windows.old folder correctly and get everything working again. Still, Windows 8 makes no sense. It makes as much sense as not ever using the start menu after 7 was launched. If I understand you, you think the removal of the start menu in Windows 8 was stupid? That's how I see it. I've been using computer since before the Windows 3.1 days, and I'm not sure why Microsoft seems to regularly want to throw its users on a new learning curve with every new release.
I used Windows 8 for a month and Metro is complete trash. Using Metro is like almost like doing arm circles. Navigating that **** is such pain in the ass.[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO UPGRADE. If you do decide to go Win8, both Metro and the desktop work fine, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with Metro, it's either they don't know how to use a mouse or they just don't want to learn something new. This new Release Preview even optimized Metro for Keyboard and Mouse.FelipeInside
Yes, with a mouse it's different from the start menu. I didn't find it as uncomfortable as others though. Maybe cause I'm used to Metro from my Windows Phone ???
If you have a keyboard, just use the instant search, ten times faster.
???? Shut **** up. Damn you're such a fanboy.[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="kraychik"] Yes it was my fault, I couldn't recover the windows.old folder correctly and get everything working again. Still, Windows 8 makes no sense.kraychikIt makes as much sense as not ever using the start menu after 7 was launched. If I understand you, you think the removal of the start menu in Windows 8 was stupid? That's how I see it. I've been using computer since before the Windows 3.1 days, and I'm not sure why Microsoft seems to regularly want to throw its users on a new learning curve with every new release. Nope, I'm saying that was the natural way of doing things, when you don't need something and most of your consumers also don't need it, you remove it and offer something else, something extremely customizable, that can be altered for any needs, that would ease the "work" for anyone AKA Metro (btw, I care in no way, shape or form about tablets, but I still love W8, what I need to make shortcuts for today, I can just set in W8 to automatically have right in front of me when the Windows starts, media PC, games hub, photo editing space, office work, etc).
The new start menu is called "search", it's better, a lot better.
If I understand you, you think the removal of the start menu in Windows 8 was stupid? That's how I see it. I've been using computer since before the Windows 3.1 days, and I'm not sure why Microsoft seems to regularly want to throw its users on a new learning curve with every new release. Nope, I'm saying that was the natural way of doing things, when you don't need something and most of your consumers also don't need it, you remove it and offer something else, something extremely customizable, that can be altered for any needs, that would ease the "work" for anyone AKA Metro (btw, I care in no way, shape or form about tablets, but I still love W8, what I need to make shortcuts for today, I can just set in W8 to automatically have right in front of me when the Windows starts, media PC, games hub, photo editing space, office work, etc).[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] It makes as much sense as not ever using the start menu after 7 was launched.DanielDust
The new start menu is called "search", it's better, a lot better.
It's pretty easy to have shortcuts in Windows 7, and it's been easy to have shortcuts in Windows as far back as I remember.[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Windows 8 doesn't serve "my" purpose as a computer/gamer user. I'm sorry but I don't know the FULL details on how it will make gaming better than what Windows 7 can already do. So for now, I'll stick with Windows 7, and skip Windows 8 altogether.Crypt_mx
This should have been my choice as well. As for what it can do to make the gaming experience better, windows 8 is less resource heavy than Windows 7, so this may be a good option for some.
With 64bit OSes being way more stable than before and being the choice of gamers along with ALOT of ram 8GB/16GB i dont see why someone to game on Windows 8 for less resources heavy. Since in a way RAM problem solved that is . This make sense though for 32-bit users with RAM limitations and all.ATI drivers are so so currently, they did fix a problem though because Skyrim now doesn't have that annoying shadow flicker as much as it once did and my crossfire setup seems a little more responsive in games. The only problem I have right now is Audio drivers, nothing seems to work for my onboard audio driver or my headset driver will stop responding for a few seconds and then kick back on or sometimes I need to re-plug it in the USB port.When people say that drivers are lacking, which specific drivers are we talking about?
Really want to give W8 a test in a "real enviroment" but can't be arsed with having to restore my rig, if some banal issue inhibits daily use or gaming.
MlauTheDaft
Exactly. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO UPGRADE. If you do decide to go Win8, both Metro and the desktop work fine, I don't understand how people have so much trouble with Metro, it's either they don't know how to use a mouse or they just don't want to learn something new. This new Release Preview even optimized Metro for Keyboard and Mouse.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] I wouldn't say they force you to upgrade your OS. I'm still running Vista, mainly because it works fine for me and I'm too cheap to upgrade, so I could easily skip Windows 7 and get Windows 8 instead. It's looking like getting Windows 7 to skip Windows 8 might be a better option, though.Tixylixx
Course they do as they stop bringing new features to the older OS.
I bet Windows 8 will have better multicore support, especially for people with AMD cpus and that's something that should have been a SP for Windows 7 but will now be a feature for 8. Wouldn't surprise me if in the future DX12 comes out for 8 but not 7 and features that we've needed to protect SSDs are on Windows 8 but not 7 and wont veer come to 7...
They're forcing you to upgrade if you have new hardware.
When you purchase an OS, you need to go into it with the understanding that this OS is not going to last you a lifetime. Windows 7 will still be supported for several years after the release of Windows 8. I'm not sure what more you expect. Most of the things you pointed out, such as DirectX upgrades, are just nice features that aren't necessary to play games. Are you currently having issues with the multicore support on Windows 7?[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Jebus213"] I used Windows 8 for a month and Metro is complete trash. Using Metro is like almost like doing arm circles. Navigating that **** is such pain in the ass. Jebus213
Yes, with a mouse it's different from the start menu. I didn't find it as uncomfortable as others though. Maybe cause I'm used to Metro from my Windows Phone ???
If you have a keyboard, just use the instant search, ten times faster.
???? Shut **** up. Damn you're such a fanboy.Another troll that thinks cause someone says something good about something, then they are a fanboy....how naive.
I said that other find it uncomfortable, which I understand, and then I said I don't find it as uncomfortable as others.
You are just labelling it complete trash without any reasoning or points behind ur argument, so either explain ur points and contribute to the topic or go troll somewhere else.
You also, like so many others on here, have SELECTIVE READING of my posts just to suit ur argument. I posted a link before where it points out the things Windows 8 is getting wrong or not doing properly yet, which I agree, but I guess ur SELECTIVE READING missed that. How can I be a fanboy if I post links where it shows where Windows 8 needs to improve? Please do tell me?
Here it is again so ur selective reading doesn't miss it a second time: http://www.zdnet.com.au/hits-and-misses-in-windows-8-so-far-339339003.htm
I must have missed the memo, but the Start menu is dead and obsolete? I use it all the time, even in Windows 7. Always have.ssvegeta555Not dead, just that the Instant Search works really well with Windows 7. I still use the Start Menu for some icons. As for Win8 and "unification", read these two links: (mostly for people asking what's the reason for making Win8) http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-unveils-xbox-smartglasshttp://www.wpcentral.com/3-screens-1-voice-how-windows-and-xbox-are-merging If after that you still think Win8 is useless, then I don't know how to explain it anymore.
I must have missed the memo, but the Start menu is dead and obsolete? I use it all the time, even in Windows 7. Always have.ssvegeta555That's what I'm saying, and we're being made to look like dinosaurs by DanielDust because we use a tool that's been a part of Windows for many years. It's also much neater than a bunch of buttons/tabs everywhere. I can have two or three windows open on my monitor and still have easy access to all my other programs via a sort of "shelf"or "drawer" - manifested in the start menu button.
[QUOTE="ssvegeta555"]I must have missed the memo, but the Start menu is dead and obsolete? I use it all the time, even in Windows 7. Always have.kraychikThat's what I'm saying, and we're being made to look like dinosaurs by DanielDust because we use a tool that's been a part of Windows for many years. It's also much neater than a bunch of buttons/tabs everywhere. I can have two or three windows open on my monitor and still have easy access to all my other programs via a sort of "shelf"or "drawer" - manifested in the start menu button.
Don't think ur a dinosaur cause u use the Start Menu. I use it too but also you should try out the Instant Search function, it works even better most of the time than the Start Menu. Win8 still has a Start Menu, it's just called Metro and takes up the whole screen now.
If it REALLY bother people upgrading to Win8, there is a free app that puts the classic Start Menu back on.
Metro really shines on dual monitors.
On one you can have ur classid desktop with ur open application...and on the other u have the Metro Menu giving you constant updates on weather, emails, frriends status, everything on one screen....something that the classic Start Menu could not do.
For example now if u wanted to know all these updates on one screen, you couldn't...cause u would have to have lots of windows and apps open at the same time.
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