Wolrd of Warcraft - A simple debate

Last week myself and my friend got into a little bit of a heated debate regarding World of Warcraft. You see, recently I've been trying to tempt him into trying out EVE online or even jump back into WW2 Online but he always states he doesn't have anymore time for another MMO. In return to my request, he asked me to try to play WoW for the 4th time again and I told him that I've been burnt enough before. This led to the following debate on why I lost interest in WoW and why it never seems to pull me in.

When we looked at it, the following came up to be barriers as to why I could not get into WoW:

Too much emphasis on end game content

Now I'm aware that it's great to reward players for reaching the end game content but I think this causes issues for new players such as myself. For example, when I played my multiple characters I found myself finding the quests repetitive for the most part (Collect 10 pelts, kill 15 of these, etc) and the lore of Warcraft didn't seem to really come through.

Yes, I am aware there are instances at certain stages but finding people to do these instances was more of a task then the quest itself. And is it really a good thing when all of my friends state "You have to get to level 80 before you get into the meat of the game"?

Leveling/Grinding

My friend brought up the point that Blizzard has made leveling to 60 easier then ever. That's fine but it still does not address the issues with the quests as such. When I play a game, I want to be able to do something that is worthwhile. Causing the great Murlock Massacre isn't really my definition of entertaining... He also brought up that battlegrounds and crafting are great diversions when I find myself bored of the regular quests. Should I really need to diverge from the main game to have some form of entertainment? If so, I'd peg that as a flaw instead of a bonus...

Game changing events

This one always gets him mad and I can never understand why. In games like EVE and WW2 Online, if you take a town/sector it can give you personally benefits, as well as your allies. However, in WoW everything you do only better's your character and has no lasting impact. You can get the sword of a thousand thruths, good for you but how does that help change the landscape of the game or even help out your allies besides giving you a bonus for running for more gear? He also states that he doesn't want something to control his character or change the way he plays.

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"

Either way, I have no issues with WoW but this kind of debate always gets my blood boiling and with that, I am wondering did anyone else run into these exact or similar issues when you tried WoW? If so, did you get past them or did it make you stop playing? Do you have friends or aquantices that feel the same as my friend?

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"CDscottic

i bought it for $5 thought i'd give the king of mmorps a try and it was fun at first for the first few levels like every other mmo's i've tried but soon become bored of it i'm only level 14 and thats probably as far as i'll get to repetitive.johnny27

quitter..

i got bored at lvl 34 :P

I've put in probably a good 4,000+ hours into World of Warcraft and I have a few friends who have put in more. They're still playing the game, but I recently came to the conclusion that the whole thing really is just a waste of time; along with similar MMOs. They're simply too addicting and really, they're designed to be that way. Spending hours upon hours running the same few dungeons, upgrading all your armor and weapons, and then having it become obsolete in the next patch or expansion; so annoying. Until Blizzard calls it quits, the game will never end. When it does, those characters everyone spent thousands of hours on are deleted. I've spent almost $900 on this game due to expansions and monthly fees; I think that's enough. -_- I not going to bother trying to convince my friends to quit though. I know they would never listen to me, so I'll let them make that decision on their own.Kuromino

I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

ArcticBadger

All forms of electronic entertainment are technically "Time wasters". If they weren't time wasters, they wouldn't be entertaining.

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect.

Cdscottie

Popularity does not equate greatness nor talent. As a matter of fact it usually just the opposite. If something is highly popular chances are that is mediocre at best. Anyway, both of you enjoy your carrot-on-a-stick games.

[QUOTE="Kuromino"]I've put in probably a good 4,000+ hours into World of Warcraft and I have a few friends who have put in more. They're still playing the game, but I recently came to the conclusion that the whole thing really is just a waste of time; along with similar MMOs. They're simply too addicting and really, they're designed to be that way. Spending hours upon hours running the same few dungeons, upgrading all your armor and weapons, and then having it become obsolete in the next patch or expansion; so annoying. Until Blizzard calls it quits, the game will never end. When it does, those characters everyone spent thousands of hours on are deleted. I've spent almost $900 on this game due to expansions and monthly fees; I think that's enough. -_- I not going to bother trying to convince my friends to quit though. I know they would never listen to me, so I'll let them make that decision on their own.ArcticBadger

I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect.

PungentStench

Popularity does not equate greatness nor talent. As a matter of fact it usually just the opposite. If something is highly popular chances are that is mediocre at best. Anyway, both of you enjoy your carrot-on-a-stick games.

I've played WoW for about 3 years. I'm currently not playing atm.

I was always a very very slow leveler, but that's just because i did not put the hours in. I made it to 80 in a comparitavely short time compared to alot of people i know on there. I thoroughly enjoyed the levelling experience, but going through it twice just feels like a grind fest.

I've only managed to ever get one character to 80. The closest to that is a BElf rogue to 60. I stopped because i found outland incredibly boring.

The game is a grind fest for the most part, but that's because it's a 5 year old game and at the time it was .. fairly new.

I think that when Cataclysm comes out it will change alot of what WoW is, for the better.

Last week myself and my friend got into a little bit of a heated debate regarding World of Warcraft. You see, recently I've been trying to tempt him into trying out EVE online or even jump back into WW2 Online but he always states he doesn't have anymore time for another MMO. In return to my request, he asked me to try to play WoW for the 4th time again and I told him that I've been burnt enough before. This led to the following debate on why I lost interest in WoW and why it never seems to pull me in.

When we looked at it, the following came up to be barriers as to why I could not get into WoW:

Too much emphasis on end game content

Now I'm aware that it's great to reward players for reaching the end game content but I think this causes issues for new players such as myself. For example, when I played my multiple characters I found myself finding the quests repetitive for the most part (Collect 10 pelts, kill 15 of these, etc) and the lore of Warcraft didn't seem to really come through. In the next expansion Cataclysm, they are redoing the entire 1-60 world, and will do away with a lot of those boring kill quests.

Yes, I am aware there are instances at certain stages but finding people to do these instances was more of a task then the quest itself. And is it really a good thing when all of my friends state "You have to get to level 80 before you get into the meat of the game"?Next patch, 3.3, there will be cross server instancing, and it will be much much easier to find groups to do instances at lower levels.

Leveling/Grinding

My friend brought up the point that Blizzard has made leveling to 60 easier then ever. That's fine but it still does not address the issues with the quests as such. When I play a game, I want to be able to do something that is worthwhile. Causing the great Murlock Massacre isn't really my definition of entertaining... He also brought up that battlegrounds and crafting are great diversions when I find myself bored of the regular quests. Should I really need to diverge from the main game to have some form of entertainment? If so, I'd peg that as a flaw instead of a bonus...

Like I said before, they're going to remake the whole world from levels 1 to 60, and after five years of experience, they'll make a great and fun leveling world like the expansions are (especially Northrend)

Game changing events

This one always gets him mad and I can never understand why. In games like EVE and WW2 Online, if you take a town/sector it can give you personally benefits, as well as your allies. However, in WoW everything you do only better's your character and has no lasting impact. You can get the sword of a thousand thruths, good for you but how does that help change the landscape of the game or even help out your allies besides giving you a bonus for running for more gear? He also states that he doesn't want something to control his character or change the way he plays.

In the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, they added something called phasing, which changes areas for you and friends who do certain quests. You are now able to take towns over, and have quests to do there. The Death Knight starting zone and the Northrend zones, Icecrown and Storm Peaks, have a lot of examples of this.

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"

Either way, I have no issues with WoW but this kind of debate always gets my blood boiling and with that, I am wondering did anyone else run into these exact or similar issues when you tried WoW? If so, did you get past them or did it make you stop playing? Do you have friends or aquantices that feel the same as my friend?

Cdscottie

[QUOTE="PungentStench"]

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect.

Cdscottie

Popularity does not equate greatness nor talent. As a matter of fact it usually just the opposite. If something is highly popular chances are that is mediocre at best. Anyway, both of you enjoy your carrot-on-a-stick games.

Two words for you. Raiding gear.

People seem to love WoW or hate it, no in between.

Finding instances is easier than ever now that they've merged realms for cross-realm dungeons. And there's plenty of interesting quest lines and a crapload of story in the game.

I'm interested to know who your character was in the game though. I doubt you got to a decently high level.

I agree with most of your points. The game was fun up until level 20-25ish when everything was new and shiny. Then it became tedious, repetitive, and boring. The only satisfaction was PvP, which was terribly unbalanced when the battlegrounds were first introduced. Swiftstrike5

[QUOTE="CDscottic"]As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"linkthewindow

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="PungentStench"]

Popularity does not equate greatness nor talent. As a matter of fact it usually just the opposite. If something is highly popular chances are that is mediocre at best. Anyway, both of you enjoy your carrot-on-a-stick games.

shakmaster13

Two words for you. Raiding gear.

World of Warcraft is not worth the ~ one-hundred-eighty dollars or so a year because it is far to restricting and linear to be enjoyed. I do not want to make a payment to roam dungeons and kill hordes of enemy monsters that respawn almost instantly. Give me a game with total chaos. I want a massive world map with thousands of players allying, warring, and constructing. I want to start out as a lowly orc peon who can raise an army of AI orcs with a guild of my best mates and literally burn down the major cities of Azeroth without it respawning and in the rubble attempt to build our own nation only to be wiped off the face of our server by our enemies. I want a sandbox.

Finding instances is easier than ever now that they've merged realms for cross-realm dungeons. And there's plenty of interesting quest lines and a crapload of story in the game.

I'm interested to know who your character was in the game though. I doubt you got to a decently high level.

-Unreal-

World of Warcraft is not worth the ~ one-hundred-eighty dollars or so a year because it is far to restricting and linear to be enjoyed. I do not want to make a payment to roam dungeons and kill hordes of enemy monsters that respawn almost instantly. Give me a game with total chaos. I want a massive world map with thousands of players allying, warring, and constructing. I want to start out as a lowly orc peon who can raise an army of AI orcs with a guild of my best mates and literally burn down the major cities of Azeroth without it respawning and in the rubble attempt to build our own nation only to be wiped off the face of our server by our enemies. I want a sandbox.

RevolutionGun

[QUOTE="RevolutionGun"]

World of Warcraft is not worth the ~ one-hundred-eighty dollars or so a year because it is far to restricting and linear to be enjoyed. I do not want to make a payment to roam dungeons and kill hordes of enemy monsters that respawn almost instantly. Give me a game with total chaos. I want a massive world map with thousands of players allying, warring, and constructing. I want to start out as a lowly orc peon who can raise an army of AI orcs with a guild of my best mates and literally burn down the major cities of Azeroth without it respawning and in the rubble attempt to build our own nation only to be wiped off the face of our server by our enemies. I want a sandbox.

Cdscottie

The screenshots turned me away from the game. I have never been a fan of any type of science fiction spacecraft game where the player controls a spacecraft from third person. If I was a person inside of the ship along with a group of mates controlling various elements of the ship I could have some fun with that. Only because we could yell out naval -isk- lingo like skipper and grog over vent. But from what I have seen EVE has the right idea.

A MMO with scale that we see in games such as WOW, but ran with RTS fundamentals minus the player as the all seeing eye above.

Last week myself and my friend got into a little bit of a heated debate regarding World of Warcraft. You see, recently I've been trying to tempt him into trying out EVE online or even jump back into WW2 Online but he always states he doesn't have anymore time for another MMO. In return to my request, he asked me to try to play WoW for the 4th time again and I told him that I've been burnt enough before. This led to the following debate on why I lost interest in WoW and why it never seems to pull me in.

When we looked at it, the following came up to be barriers as to why I could not get into WoW:

Too much emphasis on end game content

Now I'm aware that it's great to reward players for reaching the end game content but I think this causes issues for new players such as myself. For example, when I played my multiple characters I found myself finding the quests repetitive for the most part (Collect 10 pelts, kill 15 of these, etc) and the lore of Warcraft didn't seem to really come through.

Yes, I am aware there are instances at certain stages but finding people to do these instances was more of a task then the quest itself. And is it really a good thing when all of my friends state "You have to get to level 80 before you get into the meat of the game"?

Leveling/Grinding

My friend brought up the point that Blizzard has made leveling to 60 easier then ever. That's fine but it still does not address the issues with the quests as such. When I play a game, I want to be able to do something that is worthwhile. Causing the great Murlock Massacre isn't really my definition of entertaining... He also brought up that battlegrounds and crafting are great diversions when I find myself bored of the regular quests. Should I really need to diverge from the main game to have some form of entertainment? If so, I'd peg that as a flaw instead of a bonus...

Game changing events

This one always gets him mad and I can never understand why. In games like EVE and WW2 Online, if you take a town/sector it can give you personally benefits, as well as your allies. However, in WoW everything you do only better's your character and has no lasting impact. You can get the sword of a thousand thruths, good for you but how does that help change the landscape of the game or even help out your allies besides giving you a bonus for running for more gear? He also states that he doesn't want something to control his character or change the way he plays.

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"

Either way, I have no issues with WoW but this kind of debate always gets my blood boiling and with that, I am wondering did anyone else run into these exact or similar issues when you tried WoW? If so, did you get past them or did it make you stop playing? Do you have friends or aquantices that feel the same as my friend?

Cdscottie

-Full voice overs with questing. The benefit: Better atmosphere, and motivating players to enjoy questing without being overshadow by simply grinding for the experience.

-Better integration with parties. The benefit: Higher activity within the PVE space.

-Gut out Arena. The benefit: While I'm certain there's a community that thoroughly enjoys arena, it however suffers the game from Balance problems. Blizzard could of made individual servers or a new game built from scratch dedicated for Arena play.

-Seasonal Battlegrounds. The benefit: While motivating PvP focus players by rewards, it also serves the PvP participating players to pace rather well next to PvE gear, in addition to gratification of PvP gameplay. The gear offerings should scale from low to high for both casual, in between and hardcore players.

-Weekly World PvP Objectives. The Benefit: You can offer objectives by putting a treasure chest in a particular region for PvP play and neat small rewards(Gold, First aid, Gems, ect.). There could also be objectives for base defending, Horde protect The city leader from the opposing faction attacking, and the next week the opposite of factions; this could reward a buff to the winning faction and earn honor. There's so much you can really explore with weekly World PvP objectives, but it is satisfying, nevertheless.

-Integrated Crossrealm leaderboards. The benefit: Leaderboards across PvE to PvP rewarding Players at the end of the duration.

There are so many ideas I indeed will like to share, but I really wish I had a chance to work with a development team on a MMO. This is personally my opinion that can result WoW in being a much more enjoyable experience, marvelous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YBynHVPYMo&

Freaking marvelous, it's marvelous!

[QUOTE="ArcticBadger"]I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

Cdscottie

All forms of electronic entertainment are technically "Time wasters". If they weren't time wasters, they wouldn't be entertaining.

Games are a form of entertainment, which is surely worth some of your timr. But when entertainment becomes the point of your life, or you end up putting like 4 hours a day on it, then yeah... I guess you are wasting your life.

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]

[QUOTE="ArcticBadger"]I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

siafni

All forms of electronic entertainment are technically "Time wasters". If they weren't time wasters, they wouldn't be entertaining.

Games are a form of entertainment, which is surely worth some of your timr. But when entertainment becomes the point of your life, or you end up putting like 4 hours a day on it, then yeah... I guess you are wasting your life.

Tell me, have you completed life yet Siafni?

Last week myself and my friend got into a little bit of a heated debate regarding World of Warcraft. You see, recently I've been trying to tempt him into trying out EVE online or even jump back into WW2 Online but he always states he doesn't have anymore time for another MMO. In return to my request, he asked me to try to play WoW for the 4th time again and I told him that I've been burnt enough before. This led to the following debate on why I lost interest in WoW and why it never seems to pull me in.

When we looked at it, the following came up to be barriers as to why I could not get into WoW:

Too much emphasis on end game content

Now I'm aware that it's great to reward players for reaching the end game content but I think this causes issues for new players such as myself. For example, when I played my multiple characters I found myself finding the quests repetitive for the most part (Collect 10 pelts, kill 15 of these, etc) and the lore of Warcraft didn't seem to really come through.

Yes, I am aware there are instances at certain stages but finding people to do these instances was more of a task then the quest itself. And is it really a good thing when all of my friends state "You have to get to level 80 before you get into the meat of the game"?

Leveling/Grinding

My friend brought up the point that Blizzard has made leveling to 60 easier then ever. That's fine but it still does not address the issues with the quests as such. When I play a game, I want to be able to do something that is worthwhile. Causing the great Murlock Massacre isn't really my definition of entertaining... He also brought up that battlegrounds and crafting are great diversions when I find myself bored of the regular quests. Should I really need to diverge from the main game to have some form of entertainment? If so, I'd peg that as a flaw instead of a bonus...

Game changing events

This one always gets him mad and I can never understand why. In games like EVE and WW2 Online, if you take a town/sector it can give you personally benefits, as well as your allies. However, in WoW everything you do only better's your character and has no lasting impact. You can get the sword of a thousand thruths, good for you but how does that help change the landscape of the game or even help out your allies besides giving you a bonus for running for more gear? He also states that he doesn't want something to control his character or change the way he plays.

As for other things he brought up, such as "WoW has over 11 million subscribers then the game must be perfect." or "I reached level 80, why should Blizzard reward the lower level players?"

Either way, I have no issues with WoW but this kind of debate always gets my blood boiling and with that, I am wondering did anyone else run into these exact or similar issues when you tried WoW? If so, did you get past them or did it make you stop playing? Do you have friends or aquantices that feel the same as my friend?

Cdscottie

Many of those criticisms aren't just specific to WoW but MMO's overall. I've put a descent amount of time into WoW in 2-3 month segments over around 3 years and my experience, along with the other MMO's I've tried made me realize i just don't care about MMO's much overall. I think the upcoming KOTOR MMO might bring me back to the genre, but overall, MMO's just aren't satisfying for me for a few reasons. Please note, I'm not ripping MMO players or the genre, but just expressing why I think the original posters comments are similar to my reasons for why I've quit MMOs.

1.) Timesink: Yes all games are timesinks or "time wasters", but like the original poster replied, I found my time in WoW doing the same thing over and over and over. I don't have an addictive personality in most cases and can go months without touching my console controllers, but when I had a WoW subscription, I couldn't stay away, even if I was bored to tears. For some reason, MMO's bring out that addiction in most gamers, and while I don't care if other's play, that scares me. So I've just decided to stay away.

2.) Quests/Instances: You quickly find yourself doing the same type of quests or instances over and over for xp, gear and such. That is pretty much the case in any MMO. I haven't played end game, but I have several friends/family members are are max levels in WoW and they run the same instances, daily quests, PvP every single day. After some time, it's just not that fun anymore.

3.) Never Ending: I know this is a staple of the MMO. In some ways it's an advantage because the same never ends really. There is always something to do, a quest to complete, a level to gain, gear to get, an instance boss to kill, but at some point I personally want to feel like I conquered the game. Nothing feels better after a 50-60 hour run of a single player RPG where you beat the final boss. It feels good to complete games. With MMO's, WoW included, you never get this. Like some posts above say, whenever you get max gear and beat every boss instance, Blizzard adds instances via patches or releases a new expansion making your gear worthless. This also ties into the addiction thing above.

WoW was fun at times, but I realized after leaving the game and trying others out, my criticisms, many similar to the OP, were really issues with the genre as a whole.

[QUOTE="johnny27"]i bought it for $5 thought i'd give the king of mmorps a try and it was fun at first for the first few levels like every other mmo's i've tried but soon become bored of it i'm only level 14 and thats probably as far as i'll get to repetitive.aura_enchanted

quitter..

i got bored at lvl 34 :P

Many of those criticisms aren't just specific to WoW but MMO's overall. I've put a descent amount of time into WoW in 2-3 month segments over around 3 years and my experience, along with the other MMO's I've tried made me realize i just don't care about MMO's much overall. I think the upcoming KOTOR MMO might bring me back to the genre, but overall, MMO's just aren't satisfying for me for a few reasons. Please note, I'm not ripping MMO players or the genre, but just expressing why I think the original posters comments are similar to my reasons for why I've quit MMOs.

1.) Timesink: Yes all games are timesinks or "time wasters", but like the original poster replied, I found my time in WoW doing the same thing over and over and over. I don't have an addictive personality in most cases and can go months without touching my console controllers, but when I had a WoW subscription, I couldn't stay away, even if I was bored to tears. For some reason, MMO's bring out that addiction in most gamers, and while I don't care if other's play, that scares me. So I've just decided to stay away.

2.) Quests/Instances: You quickly find yourself doing the same type of quests or instances over and over for xp, gear and such. That is pretty much the case in any MMO. I haven't played end game, but I have several friends/family members are are max levels in WoW and they run the same instances, daily quests, PvP every single day. After some time, it's just not that fun anymore.

3.) Never Ending: I know this is a staple of the MMO. In some ways it's an advantage because the same never ends really. There is always something to do, a quest to complete, a level to gain, gear to get, an instance boss to kill, but at some point I personally want to feel like I conquered the game. Nothing feels better after a 50-60 hour run of a single player RPG where you beat the final boss. It feels good to complete games. With MMO's, WoW included, you never get this. Like some posts above say, whenever you get max gear and beat every boss instance, Blizzard adds instances via patches or releases a new expansion making your gear worthless. This also ties into the addiction thing above.

WoW was fun at times, but I realized after leaving the game and trying others out, my criticisms, many similar to the OP, were really issues with the genre as a whole.

darktx2005

I stopped reading the posts after the first page, too long and too lazy atm, but its funny that OP should bring this up.

I am a long time player of WoW, I began playing 3 months after its release, and played on and off over the last 5 years with it, I have been a hard-core raider, seen all the end game, been at the top(ish), PvP'd to 2.2k rated in arena, raided end game with most classes. I can safely say I have experienced a sizeable and enjoyable hunk of WoW.

That being said, recently I picked up EVE Online for $5 for steam (I have recently quit WoW 2 months ago due to school finals, and picked up a lot of crap from the steam sale) and its been about 6-8 days, and this has got to be one of the most intrguing games I have ever played. My interest initally started when I read this VERY entertaining story that left me hanging for more, http://www.wirm.net/nightfreeze/part1.html - "The Great Scam". It is a long read, but seriously worth a read, if you have an hour, and you love reading stories, especially about games - READ THAT. It is what got me heavily intrigued and interested about EVE Online and what eventually got me started playing.

The whole game universe (And its a large one, I'll telll ya that) is run by the players, whole sections of the EVE Universe are controlled by Alliances (Alliances are groups of Guilds , otherwise known as "Corperations" in EVE Online, that band together towards a common goal) in solar systems where there is no law, meaning battles from huge fleets where 100 v 100 (even more) can take place to small PvP skirmishes.

The game is so indepth, so interesting that I cannot see myself letting go of this, not an addiction, but a game that I just won't push aside. The great thing about EVE Online is, you only have 2 play 2 hours a week to train as much, and "level" as much skills as a person who plays 40 hours a week, as you can train your skills offline. In the end, the way this game was meant to be played was to gain currency through means of Industry and trade to fund PvP and large scale Wars that can take place over entire sections of the universe, so if you don't have enough money (which is what your doing when not PvP'ing by doing missions/Trade/Industry/Mining/Pirating (which is pvp) ) just join a well estabalished corperation (a Guild in otherwords) who will fund you and provide you with the means to fight, and will train you up to become a formiddable force in the EVE universe.

Yes, I have learnt that much in 8 days. Flawed, nonetheless it is some basic knowledge and I don't think it does much justice to what EVE online truly is. After playing this, I don't think I can feel the same playing WoW when I go back to it (friends are picking it up and they want me to play with them, casually) after playing EVE Online.

EDIT: Any EVE Online players, feel free to hit me up in game, AndyLulz is my pilot name - I would GREATLY appreciate any direction/help/assistance you can provide me.

EDIT: Any EVE Online players, feel free to hit me up in game, AndyLulz is my pilot name - I would GREATLY appreciate any direction/help/assistance you can provide me.

Kikujir0

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]*shrugs* I much prefer a persistent online world, like EVE. Like an actual world, not a static environment populated by people on what is essentially a orchestrated theme park ride. But I don't have the time or will to persist in either.Swiftstrike5

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]*shrugs* I much prefer a persistent online world, like EVE. Like an actual world, not a static environment populated by people on what is essentially a orchestrated theme park ride. But I don't have the time or will to persist in either.IZoMBiEI

[QUOTE="Kuromino"]I've put in probably a good 4,000+ hours into World of Warcraft and I have a few friends who have put in more. They're still playing the game, but I recently came to the conclusion that the whole thing really is just a waste of time; along with similar MMOs. They're simply too addicting and really, they're designed to be that way. Spending hours upon hours running the same few dungeons, upgrading all your armor and weapons, and then having it become obsolete in the next patch or expansion; so annoying. Until Blizzard calls it quits, the game will never end. When it does, those characters everyone spent thousands of hours on are deleted. I've spent almost $900 on this game due to expansions and monthly fees; I think that's enough. -_- I not going to bother trying to convince my friends to quit though. I know they would never listen to me, so I'll let them make that decision on their own.ArcticBadger

I have to dissagree about the whole 'waste of time' thing. Arn't all games a waste of time then unless it's those educational Wii games? >.>

[QUOTE="IZoMBiEI"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] The only thing I don't like about EVE is the skill system. Sure, it's cool to train while you're away, but the time for training is so long. I read that some skills take 6months to train. I remember 1 skill I had said it would take 14days and I was like, "Hmm, 14days is about $7. Great, I'm paying to get more skills." There should be some way to reduce training time through in-game actions. There's no sense of actually earning your skills, except maybe purchasing the more expensive books.Cdscottie