Would a maxed out top notch Dell XPS H2C overclocked...........

[QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

K_r_a_u_s_e_r

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

[QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

footballa27

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

then ur friends a N00B with crap for brains and lives with his mom

[QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

footballa27

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

After all the people that said don't and that you could get it for about $5000....why even make a topic asking if you should buy it if you're going to anyway?

[QUOTE="footballa27"][QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

DarkRecruit

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

After all the people that said don't and that you could get it for about $5000....why even make a topic asking if you should buy it if you're going to anyway?

well half (even more probably) of the people posting for advice are actually just posting to show off their new system. Wow, I took up a part time job over the summer for a new PC and after many hard hours of work i have made less than $1000 (Summer is over).. and here this guy is, spending $8000 with one click of a button! Rediculous i say!

build it yourself and if you dont want to go through all the trouble try this

http://www.projectwarmachine.com/gaming.htm

"Literally twice" is an inaccurate exaggeration. By the time you add all the missing parts and warranty, and if you luck out with the regular discounts Dell provides, you are looking at 15-20% more, tops. You have to compare APPLES to APPLES.ZBoater

Krauser, you really need to lay off.

Why is everyone giving crap to Z_Boater and Alpha? If they can afford to buy such monstrous PCs, then more power to them. I don't see what the big deal is. I can guarantee you that if you had the same amount of money that they have, then you would do the same (I knpw I would).

Krauser, you really need to lay off.

Why is everyone giving crap to Z_Boater and Alpha? If they can afford to buy such monstrous PCs, then more power to them. I don't see what the big deal is. I can guarantee you that if you had the same amount of money that they have, then you would do the same (I knpw I would).

Wesker776

build it yourself and if you dont want to go through all the trouble try this

http://www.projectwarmachine.com/gaming.htm

sabbath2gamer

Cool site. That would definitely be cheaper than the Dell. But I guess Football was really wanting that Dell.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

build it yourself and if you dont want to go through all the trouble try this

http://www.projectwarmachine.com/gaming.htm

phan1

Cool site. That would definitely be cheaper than the Dell. But I guess Football was really wanting that Dell.

ya there pretty cool good quality comps for a decent prices...

also krouser has the right to say what he wants (i wouldnt say it the way he did though)krouser and others are just trying to say thats you dont need to spend so much money... lets just end this topic already...

Krauser, you really need to lay off.

Why is everyone giving crap to Z_Boater and Alpha? If they can afford to buy such monstrous PCs, then more power to them. I don't see what the big deal is. I can guarantee you that if you had the same amount of money that they have, then you would do the same (I knpw I would).

Wesker776

[QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

footballa27

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

Why did you even make a topic if you were already going to buy it. There is 15+ people telling you that you could get it cheaper, yet you still decided not to. You, my friend, just threw away $2000+ that you will never get back (I know this because I search newegg on a regular basis). Most parts come with atleast 1 year warrantys, and building a computer is simple and it takes less than a few hours. Why did you not listen to everyone else trying to stop you from wasting money? Also if you did feel like wasting that extra $2000, then I know of a perfect site you could give it to:

http:www.wish.org

Man, I can't believe i actually got through reading all that. lol funny stuff, some people get totally worked up over nothing. Quiet a few of you need to learn to RESPECT each others choices, this thread was made for opinions on the topic, not a war about nothing.

I see what the Dell aficionado is saying, but the OP is asking if it is worth it. He's asking us, and we are saying hell no. To you it may be worth it, but to us it's not, and that IS what he asked.

I'm personally amazed that for 8800 dollars you still couldnt get 2 ultras and a QX6800. For 8000 you should be getting the top of the line. But, like many people have said, even if you are lazy and don't want to build yourself, companies like Ibuypower.com can still provide nearly the same performance for thousands of dollars less.

Obviously, you must have a salary that can handle these sorts of investments. Congradulations. Personally, I would feel like a piece of sh!t if I bought a computer for 8000 dollars simply because I could have spent all those extra thousands on a car or a present for someone special or even cancer research donations. It may be worth it to you, but to me I'd say your just kind of self centered.

I don't mind your vocabulary (like some people here), I just think you principles and priorities are a bit screwed up.

ZBoater, call me immature or whatever, but mate, you really need to get out more. Sorry to make personal statements, but I think you know aswell as I do.ruuuj

Its a shame you have to personalize this, as you dont know me or how much I "get out". :(

I don't mind your vocabulary (like some people here), I just think you principles and priorities are a bit screwed up.shanelevy

Again, another shame to personalize this. You don't know what I do, how much I pledge every year to things like the United Way, or how much time I volunteer over Thanksgiving at the local homeless shelter. And what has THAT got to do with ANYTHING? You don't have to be a millionaire to buy a $7000 machine. You pay a bit down, finance 18 months at no interest, and pay $300 a month. If you have a decent job and haven't blown your income on other stuff, it is EASY.

If you have personal issues that would make YOU feel like a piece of doodoo as you say in your post if you bought an expensive PC, don't project those personal issues on me. Deal with them yourself.

[QUOTE="shanelevy"] I don't mind your vocabulary (like some people here), I just think you principles and priorities are a bit screwed up.ZBoater

Again, another shame to personalize this. You don't know what I do, how much I pledge every year to things like the United Way, or how much time I volunteer over Thanksgiving at the local homeless shelter. And what has THAT got to do with ANYTHING? You don't have to be a millionaire to buy a $7000 machine. You pay a bit down, finance 18 months at no interest, and pay $300 a month. If you have a decent job and haven't blown your income on other stuff, it is EASY.

If you have personal issues that would make YOU feel like a piece of doodoo as you say in your post if you bought an expensive PC, don't project those personal issues on me. Deal with them yourself.

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="footballa27"][QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

Mr_NoName111

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

After all the people that said don't and that you could get it for about $5000....why even make a topic asking if you should buy it if you're going to anyway?

well half (even more probably) of the people posting for advice are actually just posting to show off their new system. Wow, I took up a part time job over the summer for a new PC and after many hard hours of work i have made less than $1000 (Summer is over).. and here this guy is, spending $8000 with one click of a button! Rediculous i say!

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="footballa27"][QUOTE="K_r_a_u_s_e_r"][QUOTE="ZBoater"]

No, Krauser, YOU are the one adscribing that behavior to me simply for using a proper adjective. And yes, I am very proud of my PC and what I can do with it. It seems to me that your hostility is revealing a bit of latent jealousy. Control yourself man, its embarassing....

Mr_NoName111

well my friend i just bought that so called "garbage" a few minutes ago.

coming in a week :D

After all the people that said don't and that you could get it for about $5000....why even make a topic asking if you should buy it if you're going to anyway?

well half (even more probably) of the people posting for advice are actually just posting to show off their new system. Wow, I took up a part time job over the summer for a new PC and after many hard hours of work i have made less than $1000 (Summer is over).. and here this guy is, spending $8000 with one click of a button! Rediculous i say!

ZBoater, call me immature or whatever, but mate, you really need to get out more. Sorry to make personal statements, but I think you know aswell as I do.ruuuj

I stopped reading all posts after about page 5 so apologies if this has been highlighted.

My main no-no for such a rig is that it won't be able to run new games on high at acceptable framerates on 2560 x 1600 in about6 -12months. People on the 24" monitors are expecting Crysis to struggle on a single 8800GTX at 1920 x 1200 on high, as they do on Bioshock with dips below 40fps. I'd expect the same for people on 2560 x 1600 on SLI setups as there are almost twice as many pixels being rendered on screen. You'll be running a big overclock so there's leeway here.

So, you're spending a premium on a computer that'll date fairly soon. No sweat you have the cash around to upgrade. Well, the money saved by building such a rig yourself as opposed to in a package, will pay for that upgrade whenever the next line of Nvidia cards comes out. Also the process of this upgrade will involve you needing to fit the new cards yourself (watercooled were we?) or paying somebody else to do it.

It's all down to whether you have sufficient cash to not let this bother you - and whether you lack the technical skill to need Dell support. Avoid finance deals in life whenever you can, it's an amazing waste of money.

I think that estimate is way too aggressive. Acceptable framerate for me is 30fps. I prefer 60fps. I dont think a game will come out that I wont be able to run at at least 30fps in the next 6-12 months. It could happen, like Microsoft FSX, which I cant run at 30fps NOW, but it is very unlikely. All the games coming out with the Unreal or Crytek engines won't choke a top of the line PC bought in early 2007. 2560x1600 is indeed a lot of pixels, but two 8800GTXs in SLI is a lot of GPU.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. :)

Just curious ZBoater, but what do you do for a living?

cheers

-D'artagnan

[QUOTE="shanelevy"] I don't mind your vocabulary (like some people here), I just think you principles and priorities are a bit screwed up.ZBoater

Again, another shame to personalize this. You don't know what I do, how much I pledge every year to things like the United Way, or how much time I volunteer over Thanksgiving at the local homeless shelter. And what has THAT got to do with ANYTHING? You don't have to be a millionaire to buy a $7000 machine. You pay a bit down, finance 18 months at no interest, and pay $300 a month. If you have a decent job and haven't blown your income on other stuff, it is EASY.

If you have personal issues that would make YOU feel like a piece of doodoo as you say in your post if you bought an expensive PC, don't project those personal issues on me. Deal with them yourself.

I'm not personalizing this, I'm bringing some perspective to it. What does personal issues have to do with it? Its principles.

I'll let this go since you clearly aren't capable of understanding, but what I'm saying is that wasting money, which almost everyone here agrees you are doing, because you are lazy, is selfish. Thats all.

This isn't meant to be inflammatory, but rather just something to think about.

I'm not personalizing this, I'm bringing some perspective to it. What does personal issues have to do with it? Its principles.

I'll let this go since you clearly aren't capable of understanding, but what I'm saying is that wasting money, which almost everyone here agrees you are doing, because you are lazy, is selfish. Thats all.

This isn't meant to be inflammatory, but rather just something to think about.shanelevy

Great way to let it go. How big of you. Do you actually read what you post BEFORE you post it? You question my principles call me lazy, call what I do selfish, and you are NOT personalizing this?

Could have fooled me. :)

Listen, the anonimity of the Internet afford people the ability to express themselves rather freely. This, however, does not give you the right to bring your "perspective" into this discussion at my expense. You obvioulsy have issues if spending $7,000 on a PC is selfish to you. If someone were to spend $7 MILLION on a PC, more power to them - what does it matter to you? What people do with their money is THEIR business!!! You can only control with what you do with YOURS. Spend yours wisely (or not), but don't be judging people you don't even know. Its just not cool.

How about THAT for something to think about?

Just curious ZBoater, but what do you do for a living?

cheers

-D'artagnan

-Dartagnan-

Oddly enough, I'm into computers.... :D

I'm not personalizing this, I'm bringing some perspective to it. What does personal issues have to do with it? Its principles.

I'll let this go since you clearly aren't capable of understanding, but what I'm saying is that wasting money, which almost everyone here agrees you are doing, because you are lazy, is selfish. Thats all.

This isn't meant to be inflammatory, but rather just something to think about.

shanelevy

Wasting money? How much money have you dumped into dumb crap over the years? If you've ever paid someone to work on your car, you've dumped a crapload of money on labor hours. If you've had someone fix anything in your residence, you're being lazy. Do you own more than the absolute requisite number of clothing items? How selfish of you.

Honestly, do you have any understanding of the economy and what paying for services actually means?

Whether or not building the same thing is half as expensive, for a QUARTER of that you could build something damn near close minus the warranties and crap.

Intel xeon 3210 (aka the q6420) oc'd to 3.6 GHz-$270

Good overclocking mobo with sli-$200

8800gtx-$500 (sli doesn't get you 2x performance, so why pay 2x the price when this will max out anything at 1080p for the next 2 years, and then you can sli for a lot cheaper?)

4 GB patriot ddr2 800-$120 (better AND cheaper than what the dell has)

320 gb sata 3gb/s 16mb cach hard drive-$70 (why would you ever need more unless you are running a server/have a TON of HD movies)

Some good cd/dvd burners-$100

Antec nine hundred-$100 (great cooling)

OCZ 700watt quad +12v rail PSU-$110

Logitech G5 mouse-$50

Logitech G15 keyboard-$90 (better than the dell)

X-fi xtremegamer-$100

Windows vista home premium-$120

Samsung 24" widescreen 1920x1200 monitor-$500 (a little better than 1080p)

Knowing how much you saved, the sense of accomplishment, and that you have a top of the line rig-priceless

Total cost- 2330

[QUOTE="footballa27"]

be worth the 8,000 dollars to you?

just wanted to hear your opinions because i calculated this on the website

ZBoater

Absolutely. Every last penny. :)

Worth every penny to a noob who knows nothing about computer hardware besides "the more expensive the better"

Ok, this is seriously something that people tend to forget. It is called value. If a person feels that buying a pre-built machine for such a high price but not having to worry about assembling it or troubleshooting it when something goes wrong, is worth the money then they are getting the most "value" out of it. If you are a person who see's that amount of money for those parts not being worth it then you won't get the value out of it. But don't forget the hassle it takes for some people who aren't 100% computer literate when it comes to building your own machine. Sure, you have tons of guides out there to help but you tend to forget all of the threads that come around here asking for support.

Now, in my own opinion I would never pay that much. For me, I get for what I need and not what I want. As if I was to buy a car I would want the fastest thing on the block but I'll buy something with four wheels, a gas tank, and an engine to get me from point A to B without the excess power.

I'd never pay more than $1500 for any computer.D9-THC

Excluding peripherals, I hope.

I'd never pay more than $1500 for any computer.D9-THC

Wasting money? How much money have you dumped into dumb crap over the years? If you've ever paid someone to work on your car, you've dumped a crapload of money on labor hours. If you've had someone fix anything in your residence, you're being lazy. Do you own more than the absolute requisite number of clothing items? How selfish of you.

Honestly, do you have any understanding of the economy and what paying for services actually means?

RayvinAzn

Hey, I never said I have anything against services. Its vastly overpaying for a service from a company that is known to have sweatshops that I think is a waste of money (yes, I hate dell but that's kind of beside the point).

Also, to Zboater, if you are happy with your product, then good. You made a decision that I would never ever make and I think it was a bad one, but if it suits you, then I'm happy for you.

BTW, I do think that your computer would last WAY longer if you played with a different monitor. Technically, you could probably get a couple years out of that machine maxing games just by downgrading the monitor size when games start coming out that get less than 30 fps on that 30" display.

I understand the economy perfectly, and overpaying companies like dell does nothing for it. shanelevy

Overpaying, I guess, its relative. Dell didnt get to be the biggest PC maker on this planet by overcharging.

Also, to Zboater, if you are happy with your product, then good. You made a decision that I would never ever make and I think it was a bad one, but if it suits you, then I'm happy for you. shanelevy

Thank you!!! :) That's the spirit!!!

BTW, I do think that your computer would last WAY longer if you played with a different monitor. Technically, you could probably get a couple years out of that machine maxing games just by downgrading the monitor size when games start coming out that get less than 30 fps on that 30" display. shanelevy

Yeah, I hear ya. When I got the 30" LCD I knew I was going overboard a bit. But I gotta tell you, now that I've been using it for several months, I can't go back to something smaller. Once you get used to it, you get hooked. I played some games at lower resolutions (like 1900x1200) and they didn't look that bad (like Star Wars Battlefront II, where some missions did not like 2560x1600 at all). I was also playing the World in Conflict demo, and no matter what resolution I played at, the average fps on the built in benchmark came in at 30fps. Must be some built in limitation on that game. For now, the rest of the games I have (except Microsoft FSX) play at 2560x1600 just fine. We'll see what Crysis does to it... :D

I wish had 5000 to spend because I just built a pc on newegg with these specs for under 5000

qx6850

8gb ddr2-800

dual 8800 ultra with water cooling

dual raptors

x-fi xtreme gamer fatal1ty sound card

and other very nice things.

For that price, I could get:

- One 15" MacBook Pro with the 256MB 8600M GT ($2500 + tax)

- One Apple Mac Pro:

• two 2Ghz dual-core Xeons
• 250GB hard drive
• X1900XT
• AppleCare (3 year warranty)
• One 20" Apple display

$3300

Then, add eight of these sticks for $1100 and have a system with 16GB's of RAM, and I'd still come out ahead. :roll:

ZBoater (or to anyone else who can give me an answer)- Can you actually notice a big difference bewteen 30fps and 60fps, because I am about to invest in a good graphics card and what do you think is better, playing a game on MAX with 30fps, or MEDIUM with 60fps. Do you actually notice a big difference in the fps rates or is 30fps still really smooth for gaming.

I am actually somewhat of a hypocritic in my last post because now I am starting to look into some prebuilt PCs (not with Dell though ;)).

I wish had 5000 to spend because I just built a pc on newegg with these specs for under 5000

qx6850

8gb ddr2-800

dual 8800 ultra with water cooling

dual raptors

x-fi xtreme gamer fatal1ty sound card

and other very nice things.

achilles614

Ahhhh, other very nice things. The devil is in the details. I assume the other nice things include a motherboard, a PSU, a case, a keyboard, a mouse, an OS, optical drives, etc.?

How about a monitor? With dual 8800 ultras, I suspect a $1200 30" LCD is included in those $5000? Right? So that means you got that very nice PC for UNDER $3800? With a $1500 CPU? Wow, I am impressed. Congratz!!!

(I, of course, am being sarcastic...) :D

[QUOTE="achilles614"]

I wish had 5000 to spend because I just built a pc on newegg with these specs for under 5000

qx6850

8gb ddr2-800

dual 8800 ultra with water cooling

dual raptors

x-fi xtreme gamer fatal1ty sound card

and other very nice things.

ZBoater

Ahhhh, other very nice things. The devil is in the details. I assume the other nice things include a motherboard, a PSU, a case, a keyboard, a mouse, an OS, optical drives, etc.?

How about a monitor? With dual 8800 ultras, I suspect a $1200 30" LCD is included in those $5000? Right? So that means you got that very nice PC for UNDER $3800? With a $1500 CPU? Wow, I am impressed. Congratz!!!

(I, of course, am being sarcastic...) :D

Nice job ignoring the other peoples price estimates and taking the one that is the most expensive. For example, you didn't respond to this one because you knew you couldn't beat the price:

Intel xeon 3210 (aka the q6420) oc'd to 3.6 GHz-$270

Good overclocking mobo with sli-$200

8800gtx-$500 (sli doesn't get you 2x performance, so why pay 2x the price when this will max out anything at 1080p for the next 2 years, and then you can sli for a lot cheaper?)

4 GB patriot ddr2 800-$120 (better AND cheaper than what the dell has)

320 gb sata 3gb/s 16mb cach hard drive-$70 (why would you ever need more unless you are running a server/have a TON of HD movies)

Some good cd/dvd burners-$100

Antec nine hundred-$100 (great cooling)

OCZ 700watt quad +12v rail PSU-$110

Logitech G5 mouse-$50

Logitech G15 keyboard-$90 (better than the dell)

X-fi xtremegamer-$100

Windows vista home premium-$120

Samsung 24" widescreen 1920x1200 monitor-$500 (a little better than 1080p)

Knowing how much you saved, the sense of accomplishment, and that you have a top of the line rig-priceless

Total cost- 2330

a couple things you missed - 1) he's playing on a 30" monitor. 25x16, as opposed to the 19x12 you picked out. assuming that 'playing at 25x16' is one of his goals with that computer, you'd have to play on his turf, which instantly means a $1000+ monitor and you would probably run into trouble with some games in a single GTX right now. it's a vicious cycle. Besides that, almost all of the 24" monitors use TN or MVA/PVA technology, which is overally simply inferior to the IPS in the 30" Dell or Apple displays. 2) two good burners should be $60-70, not $100. :) 3a) in practical terms, you're only hitting 3.6ghz on a 3210 with a g0, and g0's are extremely rare on the xeon chips right now. and you left out the cooling for that chip, since 3.6 isn't happening on stock cooling. :) 3b) right now, all of the SLI motherboards are simply not as good for overclocking quads compared to the single-card Intel solutions (read: P35). Your OCs are limited, which makes hitting 3.6GHz that much more unlikely. X38 or RD790 should fix the lack of multiple cards, but it's only Crossfire for both of them.Makari

Also, the 8800GTX isn't going to be maxing games at 1080p for two years, nor are you going to be able to easily find an 8800GTX on the cheap in two years if you do want to go SLI then - which is a poor plan anyway because there will likely be a single card out then for around $300 or so that will outperform it.

I'd also like to know where he found a 4GB kit of DDR2 RAM for $120.

And the hard drive space...really, he ignored a lot of things, just because he felt they weren't necessary.

[QUOTE="Makari"]a couple things you missed - 1) he's playing on a 30" monitor. 25x16, as opposed to the 19x12 you picked out. assuming that 'playing at 25x16' is one of his goals with that computer, you'd have to play on his turf, which instantly means a $1000+ monitor and you would probably run into trouble with some games in a single GTX right now. it's a vicious cycle. Besides that, almost all of the 24" monitors use TN or MVA/PVA technology, which is overally simply inferior to the IPS in the 30" Dell or Apple displays. 2) two good burners should be $60-70, not $100. :) 3a) in practical terms, you're only hitting 3.6ghz on a 3210 with a g0, and g0's are extremely rare on the xeon chips right now. and you left out the cooling for that chip, since 3.6 isn't happening on stock cooling. :) 3b) right now, all of the SLI motherboards are simply not as good for overclocking quads compared to the single-card Intel solutions (read: P35). Your OCs are limited, which makes hitting 3.6GHz that much more unlikely. X38 or RD790 should fix the lack of multiple cards, but it's only Crossfire for both of them.RayvinAzn

Also, the 8800GTX isn't going to be maxing games at 1080p for two years, nor are you going to be able to easily find an 8800GTX on the cheap in two years if you do want to go SLI then - which is a poor plan anyway because there will likely be a single card out then for around $300 or so that will outperform it.

I'd also like to know where he found a 4GB kit of DDR2 RAM for $120.

And the hard drive space...really, he ignored a lot of things, just because he felt they weren't necessary.

Then read my list thing