Would you mind if Starcraft 2 is the same as its predecessor?

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#51 Nerkcon
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Never mind, I don't even like RTS games nor shooters, so I haven't even played Starcraft or any COD game. I'm not going argue something completely pointless to me. But I still think you should work on fixing that complex.

EDIT 2: You can report me for trolling if you want, I need a break from the Internet anyway... I'm having an allergic reaction to something I ate yesterday that gives me a high, forgive me. :(

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I wonder how many of the, "if it ain't broke -- don't fix it" crowd were singing the same tune when Bethesda went about destroying the Fallout franchise? Face it, Blizzard gets a free pass from nearly everyone. They've made basically 2 game and keep rehashing them over and over and over. Yes, what a great company.

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#53 Baranga
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Never mind, I don't even like RTS games nor shooters, so I haven't even played Starcraft or any COD game. I'm not going argue something completely pointless to me. But I still think you should work on fixing that complex.

EDIT 2: You can report me for trolling if you want, I need a break from the Internet anyway... I'm having an algeric reaction to something I ate yesterday that gives me a high, forgive me. :(

Nerkcon

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Warhammer 40k ripps off Starship Troopers, which in turn is a satiric anti-communist essay. You can't demand originality after 7000 years of culture.

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#54 naval
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="naval"] Let's think for a second, when to franchises need to make drastic changes :-

1. When there are yearly releases and all of them give the same game play experience ala COD, RockBand etc

2. When there are many similar games out there and the game doesn't do much to stand out ala CoD , Resident Evil (somewhat ? ) etc

3. When the gameplay is subpar compared to the games you played years ago ala Red Alert 3.

Now Let's See starcraft 2 in this : It is being released after 10 years and there are very few rts similar to it and the game play is still unmatched in what it tried to do - So basically why would they change much when people want ad similiar gameplay experience as the old ones and cannot get it anywhere else. Anything else :roll:

Jinroh_basic

Wow hold on here lol. Its every 2 years for COD and although the mechanics are the same Modern Warfare is far more tighter and cinematic in its scripting, coupled with quite a strong narrative too. I think its under valued by some people that they did completely change the setting and the weapons and were still able to retain the feeling of chaos in a battle. I dont know too many games that match COD in terms of cinematic quality and the overwhelming state of the battle.

In terms of game play what separates SC from other RTS games to you? (that is mechanics, not just balancing)

it's no use, mate... really.... look how self-conceited these people have become. CoD yearly released? wrong. CoD and Resident Evil don't stand out? it's like saying an elephant walking down the 5th ave doesn't stand out. Red Alert 3 subpar? from what i know about SC1.5 ( which is as much as everyone does ), RA3 is already a better game.my opinion stands as firm as yours so don't tell me i'm wrong.

bottom line? DOUBLE STANDARD. it's that simple. i've figured it out for all of you. you're welcome. ;)

CoD is a yearly release even and what exatly stands out for Resident Evil now ? surivial horror .:lol: .

And yes, Red Alert is a subpar game with a simplistic game mechanics with virtually nothing distinguishing about it (imo of course) . Two lame attacks for each unit :lol:

bottom line. YOU WILL BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.Please do, Whatever makes you sleeps at night :)

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#55 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]

So basically why would they change much when people want ad similiar gameplay experience as the old ones and cannot get it anywhere else. Anything else :roll:

Baranga

Universe at War and Rise of Legends offer the same type of gameplay - balanced, but not mirrored.

Both are major sales flops...

Well first thing both games come really short of Starcarft offered. Their MP was uninteresting, the races esp. for Rise of Legends were not really much diverse (esp. the first two) and they were not balanced. I could point out more differences but let's keep at that
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#56 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

like i said. Double standard. i know as much about SC1.5 as you do ( battle report and all that, yep ). For a sequel that has been in development for over half a decade, it looks to be an incredibly underwhelming, conservative and inoriginal title. in short, it's REHASHED. now i have no problem with people worshipping it - hey, it's a free country - but what amuses the hell out of me is how these people have the cheek to trample on sequels from other devs. Do franchises like CoD, Red Alert, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, etc etc etc, feature subtle changes with each sequel released. most definitely yes, especially if you compare them to something that's spent 5 years to strap a handful of new units and, lol, destructible rocks on and masquerades as a AAA title.

but to the bliz fan(boy)s, ie the vast majority of pc gamers - no sir, nuh uh. if it ain't made by bliz it ain't deserve no common sense. lol.... what a major face palm. :D

biggest_loser

Let's think for a second, when to franchises need to make drastic changes :-

1. When there are yearly releases and all of them give the same game play experience ala COD, RockBand etc

2. When there are many similar games out there and the game doesn't do much to stand out ala CoD , Resident Evil (somewhat ? ) etc

3. When the gameplay is subpar compared to the games you played years ago ala Red Alert 3.

Now Let's See starcraft 2 in this : It is being released after 10 years and there are very few rts similar to it and the game play is still unmatched in what it tried to do - So basically why would they change much when people want ad similiar gameplay experience as the old ones and cannot get it anywhere else. Anything else :roll:

Wow hold on here lol. Its every 2 years for COD and although the mechanics are the same Modern Warfare is far more tighter and cinematic in its scripting, coupled with quite a strong narrative too. I think its under valued by some people that they did completely change the setting and the weapons and were still able to retain the feeling of chaos in a battle. I dont know too many games that match COD in terms of cinematic quality and the overwhelming state of the battle.

In terms of game play what separates SC from other RTS games to you? (that is mechanics, not just balancing)

it's every years for COD and it doesn't really matter even if it's 2 years. Sory buddy more cinematic =/= gameplay for me, maybe for you it is .And yeah, just because there are bullet flying around and explosion, that doesn't changes much it is still teh totally linear , scripted movie ..err. game as the old versions .same was world at war. Now as far as starcraft is concerned :- 1. Diverse races who are not diverse in just units but in philosophy of their working. 2. A focussed SP campaign and not just a tutorial for MP 3. A fast faced MP with focus on tactics and strategy
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#57 naval
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I wonder how many of the, "if it ain't broke -- don't fix it" crowd were singing the same tune when Bethesda went about destroying the Fallout franchise? Face it, Blizzard gets a free pass from nearly everyone. They've made basically 2 game and keep rehashing them over and over and over. Yes, what a great company.

:roll:

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Lots of people did -- any fallout thread and people were "oh ho .... another big thread were people will complain about how beth is destroying fallout franchise" etc. basically there following different responses 1. Beth is destroying Fallout franchise (majority or atleast most vocal) 2. I haven't played Fallout 1/2 3. They are bringing a dead franchise back , it's a necessary evil for me. 4. Beth is amazing, I love it
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...And yes, Red Alert is a subpar game with a simplistic game mechanics with virtually nothing distinguishing about it (imo of course) . Two lame attacks for each unit :lol: ...

naval

Actually, I find the biggest problem with Red Alert 3 is that everything happens so fast that you probably need to be on methamphetamines in order to micromanage well. That game is just frustratingly fast-paced, and then they don't even let you change the speed in single player, which is just incredibly stupid, because that game severely needs it. That was their big RTS innovation I guess, not letting you adjust the game speed in single player. :P The campaign makes it even worse by throwing in constant in-game chatter without pausing the game. I'm not sure how much I'd enjoy the game if I actually ever had 0.5 seconds to think about what I'm doing, but as it is it just drives me bananas. Actually, that's something of an issue with all of the Command and Conquer games, but with Red Alert 3 it just seemed especially bad to me, and then, as if they were somehow completely unaware of the problem, they went and made sure every single unit has an ability to activate or toggle, thereby exacerbating it. AI on Cryocopters is just about busted as far as I'm concerned. Uh, I don't need them all on the same target, thanks. Ugh, there are just so many things in that game that feel sloppy to me.

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#59 HOMIE_G64
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]

Never mind, I don't even like RTS games nor shooters, so I haven't even played Starcraft or any COD game. I'm not going argue something completely pointless to me. But I still think you should work on fixing that complex.

EDIT 2: You can report me for trolling if you want, I need a break from the Internet anyway... I'm having an algeric reaction to something I ate yesterday that gives me a high, forgive me. :(

Baranga

Modern skins aren't significant because for a developer it's not hard to create new skins.

Warhammer 40k ripps off Starship Troopers, which in turn is a satiric anti-communist essay. You can't demand originality after 7000 years of culture.

I don't report anyone:P

They wanted to close the patent office back during the Industrial Revolution because they thought exactly like you did. Creativity is infinite and as part of a capitalist country, we can demand originality.