Wow, Fallout and Oblivion are actually very similar!

Well first off, I just started playing Fallout 2 and its AWESOME. But anyway, as I have progressed a few hours in, I have noticed that this game is a lot like oblivion! The gameplay may be completely different, but a lot of the features and aspects are very close. The first most noticable simalarity is the creation of your character. The abilities and skills are all very familiar and the system of how you upgrade in the beginning and after each level up is practically the same. A lot of the abilities are the same too, like sneaking up behind a guy and pickpocketing him. NPC interaction, equipment and items, even the overworld feel is sort of there (but we are talking of games almost a decade apart so lets not delve into that feature :p)

Point is, a lot of people have been worried that Bethesda might screw up Fallout 3 but I can't think of a better team (except the of course interplay) that could pull this title off. They have all of the right experience to innovate and evolve the game to todays standards, and also IMO the feel and features of Fallout very well.

Anyone else notice this?

So, your saying that they are all RPGs? Interesting phenomena.

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

So, your saying that they are all RPGs? Interesting phenomena.

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

aveman1

Uh no, RPG's in general might have similar features but the way they are implemented and the overall feel of them are very different. However Fallout and Oblivion (well Elder Scrolls I guess) feel similar.

And Bioware definitely could do a great job with it, Blizzard however would screw it up, it just not in their catagory IMO. But the point of this whole thing was Fallout Oblivion have similar aspects which is why Bethesda is a great choice and Fallout fans shouldn't be worried.

[QUOTE="aveman1"]

So, your saying that they are all RPGs? Interesting phenomena.

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

36O

Uh no, RPG's in general might have similar features but the way they are implemented and the overall feel of them are very different. However Fallout and Oblivion (well Elder Scrolls I guess) feel similar.

And Bioware definitely could do a great job with it, Blizzard however would screw it up, it just not in their catagory IMO. But the point of this whole thing was Fallout Oblivion have similar aspects which is why Bethesda is a great choice and Fallout fans shouldn't be worried.

if the gameplay is completely different then how similar really can they be?

if the gameplay is completely different then how similar really can they be?

kpsting

I give up lol, READ THE POST. Its the feel and the features...

[QUOTE="kpsting"]

if the gameplay is completely different then how similar really can they be?

36O

I give up lol, READ THE POST. Its the feel and the features...

I like peanut butter, and I like sushi!

Something vorries me about Fallout 3 but bethesda is nice companythey will probably do it right

The abilities and skills are all very familiar and the system of how you upgrade in the beginning and after each level up is practically the same.36O

Beth also doesn't seem capable of the intelligent dark wit seen in the Fallout games. The kind of humour they're working towards seems purile and stupid - which goes to writing talent as a whole. They don't have good writers, and, if we may judge using Oblivion, they aren't interested in bringing in good voice talent, or much voice talent.

Fallout 3 is a shooter set in the Fallout universe. I'm not even a hardcore Fallout fan - I just love my RPGs to have great roleplaying mechanics, and Bethesda's idea of roleplaying mechanics is laughable. Case in point, their language minigame in Oblivion.

As for Oblivion being similar to Fallout, they're both roleplaying games. What do you expect? Many roleplaying games have stealth mechanics, and most with stealth mechanics have pickpocketing.

Character development in Oblivion may essentially seem the same, but there's no intelligence or subtlety behind it. As you develop your character in Fallout, you're building a character who can use his unique skills to play through the game in unique ways, and the world will respond to your new styIe of play. All it does in Oblivion is change how you fight, and even then, it doesn't change it much.

To the OP: Oblivion isn't an RPG. Its an action/adventure game.

Beth also doesn't seem capable of the intelligent dark wit seen in the Fallout games. The kind of humour they're working towards seems purile and stupid - which goes to writing talent as a whole.

fatshodan

What are some of the cringe worthy lines you have heard? I haven't heard any of the dialogue or jokes from the new game yet!!

I'm playing Fallout 2 now and I haven't seen anything in the game related to Oblivion or any Elder Scrolls game for that matter.

I'd rather want Obesdian or BioWare to develop Fallout 3.

To the OP: Oblivion isn't an RPG. Its an action/adventure game.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Beth also doesn't seem capable of the intelligent dark wit seen in the Fallout games. The kind of humour they're working towards seems purile and stupid - which goes to writing talent as a whole.

biggest_loser

What are some of the cringe worthy lines you have heard? I haven't heard any of the dialogue or jokes from the new game yet!!

And that's the final piece of gear you'll need to pack before your vacation at the end of the world: a wicked sense of humor. "It's so depressing that you have to see the humor in it," says Pagliarulo. "If not, you'll lose your mind or slit your wrists. Part of your brain refuses to admit it will ever happen, so you have to look at it and laugh. The dark humor of talking to an old lady who's really nice to you, and then blow her head off, put her head on a counter, and pretend to talk to her...there's a certain charm to that."

Emil Pagliarulo is the main designer.

There were some screenshots with horrible dialogue options on NMA, but I'm lazy.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

To the OP: Oblivion isn't an RPG. Its an action/adventure game.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Beth also doesn't seem capable of the intelligent dark wit seen in the Fallout games. The kind of humour they're working towards seems purile and stupid - which goes to writing talent as a whole.

Baranga

What are some of the cringe worthy lines you have heard? I haven't heard any of the dialogue or jokes from the new game yet!!

And that's the final piece of gear you'll need to pack before your vacation at the end of the world: a wicked sense of humor. "It's so depressing that you have to see the humor in it," says Pagliarulo. "If not, you'll lose your mind or slit your wrists. Part of your brain refuses to admit it will ever happen, so you have to look at it and laugh. The dark humor of talking to an old lady who's really nice to you, and then blow her head off, put her head on a counter, and pretend to talk to her...there's a certain charm to that."

Emil Pagliarulo is the main designer.

There were some screenshots with horrible dialogue options on NMA, but I'm lazy.

Ugh. Bethesda needs to be barred from making games until they find someone who knows what humor is. You would think major success with their last two games would have brought more talent into the company, instead it seems it made them completely talentless and immature.

Though just so long as befriending someone doesn't involve some horrible minigame where I run up to an NPC and scream "BOAST COERCE JOKE ADMIRE!" repeatedly they will at least have made some progress.

Ugh. Bethesda needs to be barred from making games until they find someone who knows what humor is. You would think major success with their last two games would have brought more talent into the company, instead it seems it made them completely talentless and immature.

Though just so long as befriending someone doesn't involve some horrible minigame where I run up to an NPC and scream "BOAST COERCE JOKE ADMIRE!" repeatedly they will at least have made some progress.

BladeMaster84

If I laugh at that once, I'll give everyone in this thread $100.

[QUOTE="BladeMaster84"]

Ugh. Bethesda needs to be barred from making games until they find someone who knows what humor is. You would think major success with their last two games would have brought more talent into the company, instead it seems it made them completely talentless and immature.

Though just so long as befriending someone doesn't involve some horrible minigame where I run up to an NPC and scream "BOAST COERCE JOKE ADMIRE!" repeatedly they will at least have made some progress.

RobbieH1234

If I laugh at that once, I'll give everyone in this thread $100.

I'm going to take a stab at the OP's intentions.....to stir up a hornets nest? No one could really be so ignorant and obtuse could they???

they are quite similar

Well first off, I just started playing Fallout 2 and its AWESOME. But anyway, as I have progressed a few hours in, I have noticed that this game is a lot like oblivion! The gameplay may be completely different, but a lot of the features and aspects are very close. The first most noticable simalarity is the creation of your character. The abilities and skills are all very familiar and the system of how you upgrade in the beginning and after each level up is practically the same. A lot of the abilities are the same too, like sneaking up behind a guy and pickpocketing him. NPC interaction, equipment and items, even the overworld feel is sort of there (but we are talking of games almost a decade apart so lets not delve into that feature :p)

Point is, a lot of people have been worried that Bethesda might screw up Fallout 3 but I can't think of a better team (except the of course interplay) that could pull this title off. They have all of the right experience to innovate and evolve the game to todays standards, and also IMO the feel and features of Fallout very well.

Anyone else notice this?

36O

I'm going to have to disagree completely on this. I can honestly say that at no time while playing Oblivion did I think "This feels a lot like Fallout" or vice-versa. They have different skill systems, in that you skill up in Oblivion while using skills, while in Fallout you skill up at level breaks, improving any skill you want, whether you used it or not. Different stat systems, Oblivion stats improve, Fallout stats are static. Turn based combat in Fallout, vs. real time combat in Oblivion. Campy, retro-tech post apocalyptic world in Fallout vs. a traditional fantasy world in Oblivion... I'm sorry, I just don't see ANY similarities outside of them both supposedly being RPG's (somewhat debatable for Oblivion).

I look at both games, and I see radically different philosophies in game design in each. The only thing that ties the two games together, design wise, is that they both have open, free ranging worlds. Other than that, I can't see how anyone could look at both franchises and see anything but completely different games.

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

aveman1

Pehaps but thay are a good team and are trying to stay faithful to the IP. I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

capthavic

...are trying to stay faithful to the IP.

What!?

[QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

capthavic

Pehaps but thay are a good team and are trying to stay faithful to the IP. I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

Staying faithful to the IP? I never knew that Fallout was a substandard shooter.

To the OP: Oblivion isn't an RPG. Its an action/adventure game.

[QUOTE="fatshodan"]

Beth also doesn't seem capable of the intelligent dark wit seen in the Fallout games. The kind of humour they're working towards seems purile and stupid - which goes to writing talent as a whole.

biggest_loser

What are some of the cringe worthy lines you have heard? I haven't heard any of the dialogue or jokes from the new game yet!!

[QUOTE="aveman1"]

So, your saying that they are all RPGs? Interesting phenomena.

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

36O

Uh no, RPG's in general might have similar features but the way they are implemented and the overall feel of them are very different. However Fallout and Oblivion (well Elder Scrolls I guess) feel similar.

And Bioware definitely could do a great job with it, Blizzard however would screw it up, it just not in their catagory IMO. But the point of this whole thing was Fallout Oblivion have similar aspects which is why Bethesda is a great choice and Fallout fans shouldn't be worried.

[QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

LockeAteid

...are trying to stay faithful to the IP.

What!?

IP = Intellectual Property. You know the story, setting, and quirky humor.

[QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

BladeMaster84

Perhaps but they are a good team and are trying to stay faithful to the IP. I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

Staying faithful to the IP? I never knew that Fallout was a substandard shooter.

Have you played it yet? Didn't think so.

I can understand not liking the change or even the developer, but at least wait till the game is out before you **** all over it. OK?

[QUOTE="LockeAteid"][QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

capthavic

...are trying to stay faithful to the IP.

What!?

IP = Intellectual Property. You know the story, setting, and quirky humor.

[QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

BladeMaster84

Perhaps but they are a good team and are trying to stay faithful to the IP. I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

Staying faithful to the IP? I never knew that Fallout was a substandard shooter.

Have you played it yet? Didn't think so.

I can understand not liking the change or even the developer, but at least wait till the game is out before you **** all over it. OK?

One of the developers said that it can be approached as a straight-up shooter.

I don't think so:

Fallout and Elder scrolls are the best rpg´s series, but there aren't similar, the two have a different game-play, Fallout use the SPECIAL form,(Speed, Perception, Endurance, Charisma, Intelligence, Agility and Luck),use skills with percentage and has experience points. Oblivion is about training different skills of three areas Magic, strength and Agility. And obviously, they have different stories and worlds.

[QUOTE="LockeAteid"][QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

capthavic

...are trying to stay faithful to the IP.

What!?

IP = Intellectual Property. You know the story, setting, and quirky humor.

That wasn't a question. I'm just completely surprised you could state something so uninformed.

[QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="LockeAteid"][QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

BladeMaster84

...are trying to stay faithful to the IP.

What!?

IP = Intellectual Property. You know the story, setting, and quirky humor.

[QUOTE="capthavic"][QUOTE="aveman1"]

And Bioware comes to mind as a team that could do Fallout 3 better. And Blizz wouldn't do too bad at it either.

BladeMaster84

Perhaps but they are a good team and are trying to stay faithful to the IP. I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

Staying faithful to the IP? I never knew that Fallout was a substandard shooter.

Have you played it yet? Didn't think so.

I can understand not liking the change or even the developer, but at least wait till the game is out before you **** all over it. OK?

One of the developers said that it can be approached as a straight-up shooter.

pwned!