WoW has become more casual?

[QUOTE="Dust24311"]

Everyone got off point. As an 80 with my own time constraints, here is how I look at things:

WoW is more friendly now because of the Random Dungeon Finder and the Random Battleground Finder. You can "queue" in each of these finders and be in a dungeon within 10 minutes and in a BG within 10 seconds.

In the dungeons, everyone is well geared so you can run through them in 20-40 minutes and get emblems of heroism and frost as rewards (in exchange for very nice gear).

Battlegrounds, by design are mostly less than 30 minutes in duration and therefore fit a casual gamers lifestyle better. In the battlegrounds they are giving +100% honor and a bonus if you queue using the random battleground. ilvl 264 gear can be had for only ~50,000 honor depending on the piece.

In short, you can assemble groups and play through areas for gear in 30 minute intervals. While some people think this is weak, I (having a life) think it is a great time-to-reward ratio.

FelipeInside

Gear is just a tool you need. The game isn't about getting gear, it's about guild progression. Gear is just numbers. It's stats to increase your character skills. Looks doesn't matter at all.

WoW is casual friendly with WotLK yes, but it can be played in a hardcore fashion. I'm not saying it's the hardest MMO, but it's not as easy as people are making it to be. Try joining a top 20 guild in the world and keep your raiding spot, push top notch DPS / HPS / TPS EACH try for ~6 hours straight, then tell me it's easy.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Dust24311"]

Everyone got off point. As an 80 with my own time constraints, here is how I look at things:

WoW is more friendly now because of the Random Dungeon Finder and the Random Battleground Finder. You can "queue" in each of these finders and be in a dungeon within 10 minutes and in a BG within 10 seconds.

In the dungeons, everyone is well geared so you can run through them in 20-40 minutes and get emblems of heroism and frost as rewards (in exchange for very nice gear).

Battlegrounds, by design are mostly less than 30 minutes in duration and therefore fit a casual gamers lifestyle better. In the battlegrounds they are giving +100% honor and a bonus if you queue using the random battleground. ilvl 264 gear can be had for only ~50,000 honor depending on the piece.

In short, you can assemble groups and play through areas for gear in 30 minute intervals. While some people think this is weak, I (having a life) think it is a great time-to-reward ratio.

kontejner44

Gear is just a tool you need. The game isn't about getting gear, it's about guild progression. Gear is just numbers. It's stats to increase your character skills. Looks doesn't matter at all.

WoW is casual friendly with WotLK yes, but it can be played in a hardcore fashion. I'm not saying it's the hardest MMO, but it's not as easy as people are making it to be. Try joining a top 20 guild in the world and keep your raiding spot, push top notch DPS / HPS / TPS EACH try for ~6 hours straight, then tell me it's easy.

WoW now is IMO a better game than it used to be, but the playerbase has become exponentially worse since Vanilla, you have to find a good group of friends or food people to play with to really enjoy WoW, otherwise you'll just learn to hate most of the people who play WoW.Im_single

This guy summed it up pretty nicely

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Exactly...I understand people who worked hard for gear before get angry about the so called "casualness", but for other people, like me who have full time job, partner, sports etc etc, and can't dedicate a whole 3 hours to do a dungeon, it's nice to see things only hardcore guilds used to see... Another thing one person pointed out which made me move away from WoW was that all gear nearly looks the same..... this is a shame. In LOTRO for example, if you get a specific gear, it looks SPECIFIC. Not blaiming WoW of course, the game is about 6 years old isn't it....FelipeInside

Gear is just a tool you need. The game isn't about getting gear, it's about guild progression. Gear is just numbers. It's stats to increase your character skills. Looks doesn't matter at all.

WoW is casual friendly with WotLK yes, but it can be played in a hardcore fashion. I'm not saying it's the hardest MMO, but it's not as easy as people are making it to be. Try joining a top 20 guild in the world and keep your raiding spot, push top notch DPS / HPS / TPS EACH try for ~6 hours straight, then tell me it's easy.

RP much?

WoW now is IMO a better game than it used to be, but the playerbase has become exponentially worse since Vanilla, you have to find a good group of friends or food people to play with to really enjoy WoW, otherwise you'll just learn to hate most of the people who play WoW.Im_single

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="kontejner44"]

Gear is just a tool you need. The game isn't about getting gear, it's about guild progression. Gear is just numbers. It's stats to increase your character skills. Looks doesn't matter at all.

WoW is casual friendly with WotLK yes, but it can be played in a hardcore fashion. I'm not saying it's the hardest MMO, but it's not as easy as people are making it to be. Try joining a top 20 guild in the world and keep your raiding spot, push top notch DPS / HPS / TPS EACH try for ~6 hours straight, then tell me it's easy.

kontejner44

RP much?

I used to be a hardcore player in Vanilla, and frankly, I welcome the changes to WoW. You don't have to sacrifice most of your life in order to get decent gear, the achievements are actually rather fun and give you something to do in downtimes, and more players have a chance of seeing some of the end content.

The downside of that is that gear--which was never a true indicator of good skill--is now even less of an indicator of good skill since I was running Icecrown Citadel successfully with PUGs. It takes very little time get full T9, which is a good starting point for everyone. By the time you realize a person actually sucks, it's often too late.

However, I would say that the "easier" nature of the game does tend to make you get sick of it more quickly. (More here.)

Oh yeah. WAY casual. You can get tier 10 just by doing heroics. HEROICS. Even though it will take a while. I got full t9 on an alt within a week by just heroics. You can still raid and get gear quicker, but still everyone's gonna be around the same gear level, heroics are not, eventually.

Rheiken

Yeah your gonna have to point that one out.. T10 through heroics would take you months to get.. If you did the daily heroic every day.. Thats like 60 frost badges.. the weekly, thats 20 frost badges.. That doesnt' even get you the more expensive pieces.... MMORPG's of really any kind don'ttake muchskill to begin with..

I don't see why every makes a big deal about RPGs. RPGs are based around RNGs. You can literally have a superior strategy but still lose because of major bad luck with the RNGs. What honestly sounds better to you; winning a fight because you got that lucky crit at the end, or winning a fight because you made a solid final blow on the guy right before he could final blow you? You guys go ahead and argue about MMOs taking less skill today because you had to work longer and to please this guy: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RandomNumberGod I'll go play games that actually take reflexes and tactical skills to win. ;)Zerkrender

Yep, WoW is a mathematically based game. SOME fights are based on total randomness. Some fights have 'controled' RNG elements, like who get's the debuff. But you can build up different strats for every situation, that's what pentagon does!

Anyway, I love Randomness in a game. I don't want to be able to figure out my strategy in theory, then apply it in the boss fight and win. WoW is partially theory and partially execution. The environment is chaotic, you need reflexes in WoW Hardmodes trust me. I performed top DPS in a world top guild as DK, I know what I'm sayin'