Wtf on L4D....

Is it just me, or does L4D seem more like an old arcade game than a legitimate, good fps?

I was expecting better from the makers of HL2...

Firstly, I don't even think Valve made it - didn't they just buy it and polish it up?

Secondlly, I've only put ~35 hours into it so far, but I don't really have any complaints. It does everything that it was supposed to do, and it does it extremely well.

L4D is a rather ingeniously designed coop game. It forces your team to work together or else you don't last long, or unless you play on easier difficulties. If you're just running around shooting everything without any regard for your team, then you're not getting the point, and you're cheating yourself out of a good game. I especially like the dynamic gameplay. I have been through the campaign several times now, and I'm amazed by how each time seemed like a different game. That said, it's not perfect. People still do alot of friendly firing, although unintentionally. I noticed that usually the highest kill scorer also typically has the highest number of friendly fires. Sometimes the hordes are so massive and chaotic, it's impossible not to ever shoot your teammate when attempting to save them from the zombies.Qixote

I agree as well. Don't want to put down anybody elses opinion, but I tried to play this and couldn't get into it. After a couple hours I quit playing for good.

I don't have much time, but the one time I did play through a chapter, I loved it. It definately needs more of your time at one sitting than most MP FPS where you can leave at any time (well you can leave L4D if you're a jerk :) )

so, its just you.

Just you, i love this game and have put in many hours. The teamwork factor has been put together really well.

Plus i love in versus when some noob on the other team decides hes playing counter strike and runs off on his own and im a hunter:twisted:

Over-Rated game....YES, u read right....FelipeInside

ha...I don't know it might be you...most Valve games are like it imo

Over-Rated game....YES, u read right....FelipeInside

Old school shoot 'em up action done right for once + intelligent cooperative mechanics + awesome weapons + zombies. What's not to love?

The game needs more levels (these are coming, from Valve and from the community) and ideally more weapons, but more weapons aren't really necessary.

It's really an online only game (despite its bots) so if you aren't into those games (I'm not) its not that great. I think its a very cool game but not GOTY without any sort of decent story.

Good online game not worth 50 dollars to ME. Would be worth 50 to people who love online games

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Over-Rated game....YES, u read right....IMaBIOHAZARD

Got my copy for $40 at my Gamestop. While it's really simple (Point, Shoot, Stick together), I don't think I've had as much fun with an online game in ages. The four player Co-op is so much fun, even more so when you're playing with friends. If I ever get bored or tired of that, I just move on to the VS. mode for a few rounds. Hunters are fun! :P

Also like others have stated, each time I've played through a campaign or even just a level or two, while similar, it's never the same.

Wether it's a good game or not, I think left 4 dead is going to set a great precedent for co-op games in the future, usually co-op is added as an addition to a games content, it's not often when they're made from the ground up to cadre to that entire concept. What do you guys think we'll be seeing next? I think an 8 player co-op starship troopers game would be great (more based on the novels then the movies of course, poweered armor ftw!). Arachnids would make a great opponent.

Its not just you. I agree that it's rather simple and certainly does not warrant $50.The_PC_Gamer

You're in the minority, but you're not alone.

Great COOP game, one I plan to play for a long time to come.

Don't worry. You're just one of the few that can see past the word "Valve".visceron

i agree. it would be awesome if it were a mod........but its a hugemongously hyped and took ages to make, and this is it? IMO: WTF??

when they could have made hl2 ep 3:(

It's a sexed up mod.. And nothing more really. It's a lot of fun but definitely not a FULL product.ShimmerMan

And yes pure genious, a 4 hour singleplayer game instead of a fully co-op game iwth tons of replayability..

i agree. it would be awesome if it were a mod........but its a hugemongously hyped and took ages to make, and this is it? IMO: WTF??

when they could have made hl2 ep 3:(

jpph

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]It's a sexed up mod.. And nothing more really. It's a lot of fun but definitely not a FULL product.sSubZerOo

And yes pure genious, a 4 hour singleplayer game instead of a fully co-op game iwth tons of replayability..

Imo this game is not that different from lets say Counterstrike-source, which is a mod. And also has no story, little to no worth in singleplayer. but has loads of replay ability online.. The difference is though CS:S doesn't cost the same price as a full game, unlike L4D.

It's a sexed up mod.. And nothing more really. It's a lot of fun but definitely not a FULL product.ShimmerMan

And yes pure genious, a 4 hour singleplayer game instead of a fully co-op game iwth tons of replayability..

Well I've never bought Battlefield games (probably for the same reason). But from what I do know about Battlefield, it's a much more content packs expereince than LFD. You have big open maps, vehicles, planes, classes and mission based objectives.. and all that other stuff. It's not simply a 4 level map game with 5/6 weapons with one objective through the whole course of the game.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] how and y? O, and I totally disagree.IMaBIOHAZARD

Well I've never bought Battlefield games (probably for the same reason). But from what I do know about Battlefield, it's a much more content packs expereince than LFD. You have big open maps, vehicles, planes, classes and mission based objectives.. and all that other stuff. It's not simply a 4 level map game with 5/6 weapons with one objective through the whole course of the game.

ShimmerMan

Last time I checked, it had 20 levels. Battlefield games didn't have mission-based objectives. You're forgetting that boss zombies are also playable - so it's not just "5/6" weapons.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]It's a sexed up mod.. And nothing more really. It's a lot of fun but definitely not a FULL product.ShimmerMan

And yes pure genious, a 4 hour singleplayer game instead of a fully co-op game iwth tons of replayability..

Imo this game is not that different from lets say Counterstrike-source, which is a mod. And also has no story, little to no worth in singleplayer. but has loads of replay ability online.. The difference is though CS:S doesn't cost the same price as a full game, unlike L4D.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I don't understand this, the game has far more replayability, and gives you play times far exceeding the average shooter.. Some people put more time in the DEMO alone then some of the new shooters out there like the Farcry 2.. Take Farcry 2 for instance, just about every one says there is no replayability to it form what I have seen.. And it lasts at best 20 hours.. Some people spent more time in the demo then Farcry 2 for crying otu loud! Furthermore Valve has shown that it will only add more things.. TF2 is proof of this, so far it has added more then ever is usually expected form patchs with shooters, and it is only going to add more.. And they have said that they will support this game more then they did with TF2! Furthermore Versus mode is where the real game is at with a fun competition.

And yes pure genious, a 4 hour singleplayer game instead of a fully co-op game iwth tons of replayability..

sSubZerOo

Ohh yeah? did battlefield series gave you so few maps? Where they in development for such a long time with such bad graphics?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"] I understand what your saying. But Far Cry 2 is by and large a poor game. The problem with LD4 is lack of content and lack of story. And lack of a new game engine. For a brand new full product there really should be at least a 10 hour single player campaign, that's standard. And there has to be a friggin story. These are not the 1980s where developers can push games out of the door that contain no story. A shooter without a story is a arcade game, pure and simple. And arcade games dont sell for 50/60$. IMO this game is not that different from lets say Counterstrike-source, which is a mod. Has no story, little to no worth in singleplayer. And also has loads of replay ability online.. The difference is though it doesn't cost the same price as a full game.Hellboard

Ohh yeah? did battlefield series gave you so few maps? Where they in development for such a long time with such bad graphics?

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] graphics ans sound are far from a 9 also how the hell did they manage to make it 2 hours long while its in development for 3 years... thats my rants expensive too for a multiplayer only game.. or 2 hours campaign!GodLovesDead

Well I've never bought Battlefield games (probably for the same reason). But from what I do know about Battlefield, it's a much more content packs expereince than LFD. You have big open maps, vehicles, planes, classes and mission based objectives.. and all that other stuff. It's not simply a 4 level map game with 5/6 weapons with one objective through the whole course of the game.

ShimmerMan

Last time I checked, it had 20 levels. Battlefield games didn't have mission-based objectives. You're forgetting that boss zombies are also playable - so it's not just "5/6" weapons.

Well you mean in a high difficulty with coop? I agree but should we play every game on the highest diffiulity Ohh and gears of war was a game that people played alone despite the the coop on the easiest difficulity.. still has more maps., i mean 3 years for such a few maps? How did that happen?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"] I understand what your saying. But Far Cry 2 is by and large a poor game. The problem with LD4 is lack of content and lack of story. And lack of a new game engine. For a brand new full product there really should be at least a 10 hour single player campaign, that's standard. And there has to be a friggin story. These are not the 1980s where developers can push games out of the door that contain no story. A shooter without a story is a arcade game, pure and simple. And arcade games dont sell for 50/60$. IMO this game is not that different from lets say Counterstrike-source, which is a mod. Has no story, little to no worth in singleplayer. And also has loads of replay ability online.. The difference is though it doesn't cost the same price as a full game.Hellboard

Ohh yeah? did battlefield series gave you so few maps? Where they in development for such a long time with such bad graphics?

[QUOTE="IMaBIOHAZARD"] 2 hours long? Don't run your mouth until you play the game. C'mon. It makes sense that people who dislike it either never played it, or aren't playing it the way it was meant to be played.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Well I've never bought Battlefield games (probably for the same reason). But from what I do know about Battlefield, it's a much more content packs expereince than LFD. You have big open maps, vehicles, planes, classes and mission based objectives.. and all that other stuff. It's not simply a 4 level map game with 5/6 weapons with one objective through the whole course of the game.

Last time I checked, it had 20 levels. Battlefield games didn't have mission-based objectives. You're forgetting that boss zombies are also playable - so it's not just "5/6" weapons.

Well you mean in a high difficulty with coop? I agree but should we play every game on the highest diffiulity Ohh and gears of war was a game that people played alone despite the the coop on the easiest difficulity.. still has more maps., i mean 3 years for such a few maps? How did that happen?

[QUOTE="Hellboard"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] ......Battlefield series.... No story all multiplayer, $50.. Sorry try again. There have been products released before with out a story, that is not the main purpose of the game.GodLovesDead

Ohh yeah? did battlefield series gave you so few maps? Where they in development for such a long time with such bad graphics?