Next-gen games...After a few months, are you still disappointed?

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#1 mazing87
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When 360 came out, I didn't expect to see any games get arating lower than an 8.9 (GS scoring). After all, next-gen games are supposed to bethe wave of the future withbetter graphics, sound, precision, and more content.After about a year, there are only about5 games out right now that are rated 8.9 or higher for the 360.In comes the PS3, which didn't do any better, have yet to have a game hit anywhere near an 8.9 rating. The Wii, although with a neat innovative controller, is just going backwards resurrecting games I used to play when I was a child (which I find corny to begin with). I'm a bit disappointed with how things are shaping up with next-gen. You have two powerful systems with so much potential (360 and PS3) and virtually no real games to complement them. Keep your PS2s and Xboxs. It must suck to be a next-gen owner right now. What are your thoughts on this?

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#2 2deluxe
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My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.
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#3 mazing87
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As much as I don't agree with a lot of the things that you may have said so far, I have to agree with you here.  I never really played games on PC, but I am considering it now.

 

My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.2deluxe

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#4 lil_d_mack_314
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My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.2deluxe

i can believe it, but most people don't want to always have to update their PCs just to play the newest games...at-least that's just me, id rather sped it on a console and be done with it. but PC does have an edge i think

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#5 yungboi
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lets refer to them as current-gen shall we? The 360 actually have lots of good games. But i use my ps3 as my ps2.
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#6 shady_825
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One problem with next-gen games (and I'm talking about 360 and PS3) is that developers keep porting. Half the games are already available on PS2/Xbox so their next-gen counterparts just have updated graphics. There are a few really good games out on 360 and PS3, that aren't available or wouldn't be possible for last gen systems, but not many. Another problem is the timing of the Xbox 360. It was released at a time when PS2 was in full swing and Xbox was just barely slowing down. I remember hearing about the 360's November 2005 launch and running out to gamestop...to preorder FFXII. Since we were pretty much shoved into the next-gen, and the console developers preached so much about what their systems would be able to do, our expectations had to be ridiculously high even if we didn't want them to be. It's like the companies built up hype, and not the consumers.

That said, I am not disappointed. Some of the games I'm playing on my PS3 right now (and one game I've played on 360) would have been absolutely impossible last-gen. I currently swap between Resistance and Oblivion. Are either of those games better than a God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Soul Calibur, Shadow of the Colossus, or Final Fantasy XII? Maybe not. But they're still great games that we wouldn't have were it not for the switch to more powerful and capable consoles. It's also important to remember that nothing from last gen was comparable to the PS1/N64 era until PS2 came out a year after the generation began. Let the consoles fight it out a bit and they'll pump out the 9.0s.

Oh, one more thing. Gamespot's reviews are based on other games on the same console. That means that a game like Fight Night Round 3 getting a lower score on 360 than it did on PS2 (I don't know if this happened, it's just an example) doesn't mean it isn't better on 360.

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#8 killeer2007
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I don't own any "current-gen consoles" so I couldn't tell you but I'm plenty happy with my "last-gen" consoles and they should keep me occupied as I wait for price drops and more games to come out on current-gen consoles.
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#9 milkteanojikan
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Personally, I'm pretty disappointed with the wii games so far. I stood in line overnight for one and I mean, I don't even play mine.

The launch titles I thought were pretty weak and although I did like Trauma Center, I still prefer the DS version. Red Steel was just...not very good. I know that everyone was very WOWed by Twilight Princess, but I've never been much of a Zelda fan.  Warioware I liked and Elebits was decent but my main interest was the Silent Hill reference.

 Now, I am a die hard PS2 fan, but the PS3 seemed pretty weak to me as well and not worth the price, so I just didn't get one. I may consider it depending which platform Silent Hill 5 will be released on. 

 I'm just waiting it out until it gets better, which it hopefully will.

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#10 belinchu
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This new-gen has definitely started off real slow... maybe developers just don't know how to use all that potential still? Go figure.

I'll stick with my previous gen games and my PC, tyvm. >.>

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#11 shady_825
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This new-gen has definitely started off real slow... maybe developers just don't know how to use all that potential still? Go figure.

I'll stick with my previous gen games and my PC, tyvm. >.>

belinchu
It's part what you said, but they also just take forever to go out and break the mold with their games. The potential hasn't been used because developers are timid about pushing the limit of possibility at launch. It'll happen though.
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When 360 came out, I didn't expect to see any games get a rating lower than an 8.9 (GS scoring).  After all, next-gen games are supposed to be the wave of the future with better graphics, sound, precision, and more content.  After about a year, there are only about 5 games out right now that are rated 8.9 or higher for the 360.  In comes the PS3, which didn't do any better, have yet to have a game hit anywhere near an 8.9 rating.  The Wii, although with a neat innovative controller, is just going backwards resurrecting games I used to play when I was a child (which I find corny to begin with).  I'm a bit disappointed with how things are shaping up with next-gen.  You have two powerful systems with so much potential (360 and PS3) and virtually no real games to complement them.  Keep your PS2s and Xboxs.  It must suck to be a next-gen owner right now.   What are your thoughts on this?

mrvic87

not at all im just a little outtraged aboutr the prices on consoles nowadays with the Wii being the cheapest console out there and the ps3 being the most expensive console out there.  As for the games, I havent played them so i cant rely on what other people say about it but what counts is if "I like it"

 

btw wrong thread

 

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#13 tsduv21
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The only current-gen games that I think are worth something are Oblivion, Gears of War and RFOM. Considering that the Xbox360 launched in 2005 it is pretty bad. In 2 years developers haven't really created what we expected. Besides, most games have a weak Internet support or non at all. I think that the power is here, however developers don't seem to be really using it.
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#14 Jamibung
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It's short sighted to think that during a hardware transition, that the new consoles will have games that are spectacular off the bat.  The hardware may be superior, but developers are working with ideas and gameplay concepts that push the limits within the constraints of the PS2, Xbox, GC generation.  They are carrying those concepts over to the new hardware, because that is what they are able to release in a short time frame.  Once they start exploring the creative space and limitations of the new hardware, new ideas, and gameplay will evolve and we'll start seeing the kind of games and experiences you seem to expect right away.

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#16 dropkickgamer
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How I see it is this. Game developers are basicly trying the same stuff over and over again with little veriations to game play. Games like POP and GOW have done a lot for the gaming world by expimenting with different fighting style, platformering engines and so on and so forth. In a sense yes, but the systems are still young and there are alot of games that will come out. Lets wait and see.

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#17 Daytona_178
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It took the PS2 ages to get good games! Just be patient...
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#18 bleedingbunny
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k your basing this stupid topic on gs reviews. first of all for the 360 there has been 5 games over 8.9 2 of those were named game of the year gow and oblivion. second of all do half the people writion on this topic even have a nextgen (current gen) system. you guys are just poor little mother @#$@ers who have to hold to your old crapy systems. the 360 has amazing graphics, sound,value and some the best games anyone has senn in a long long time.also if your going by gs ratings there are 5 games with an 8.8 so shut up quit being a little bi**h. the wii and ps3 are good systems to there just starting out now if the wii can make better games and not just partie games that would be an improvment also if the ps3 could hold on to there exclusive tittles they will improve. right now 360 is rockin so screw your old systems shell out 400$ and buy a 360.not to mention there are a hell of a lot of exelent looking games coming out this year.

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#19 _Dez_
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The only next-gen system I have is the 360, and no I'm not disappointed with it. Since I'm a big fan of shooters, I enjoy a lot of the games I play on that system very much, even though I don't play online anymore.

Besides, I still make use of my other systems, and I probably play the ps2 more than most of my other systems. Actually, if there was anything that disappoints me about the 360, it would have to be that it broke on me last week. That was a year after the purchase. My first ps2 lasted 3 years before it quit on me.

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#20 xxxarlow
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It s a catch 22 ppl.  We want outstanding 20 hour games, but they cost a fortune to make and years of manpower.  I dont think this generation will ever be flooded with games like the ps2 years.
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It's kinda unfair to the nextgen consoles. The PS2 didn't have an AAA games until almost 2 years after its release thx to FF10 and MGS2.
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#22 mazing87
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Thats the thing... You use the PS3 are you PS2, which I am sure wasn't your primary intent for having one.

lets refer to them as current-gen shall we? The 360 actually have lots of good games. But i use my ps3 as my ps2. yungboi

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#23 yhgt
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I'm only disappoited at the PS3. It sucks Sucks SUCKS! The 360 has got some awesome games actually. Maybe not better than the old XBox games but with better sound and graphics. The Wii has awesome games!

PS: Gamespot doesn't always give proper ratings. You should listen to what other online servers have to say.

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#24 Shinobi7777
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I'm only disappoited at the PS3. It sucks Sucks SUCKS! The 360 has got some awesome games actually. Maybe not better than the old XBox games but with better sound and graphics. The Wii has awesome games!

PS: Gamespot doesn't always give proper ratings. You should listen to what other online servers have to say.

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Sorry to ask but you are saying PS3 has horrible games and the wii has AMAZING ones? that's BS if you play both consoles regularly.
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#25 tsduv21
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Thats the thing... You use the PS3 are you PS2, which I am sure wasn't your primary intent for having one.

[QUOTE="yungboi"]lets refer to them as current-gen shall we? The 360 actually have lots of good games. But i use my ps3 as my ps2. mrvic87

There's nothing better to do with it if you have one anyway.
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#26 mazing87
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Yea and let's just say I did spend the $400 dollars and got both Gears of War and Oblivion.  When I am done with those games, then what next?  What's the next best game to have at this moment?  Sorry, I won't just put up $600 dollars just so that my next-gen console can look nice as a display in my living room. 

 

k your basing this stupid topic on gs reviews. first of all for the 360 there has been 5 games over 8.9 2 of those were named game of the year gow and oblivion. second of all do half the people writion on this topic even have a nextgen (current gen) system. you guys are just poor little mother @#$@ers who have to hold to your old crapy systems. the 360 has amazing graphics, sound,value and some the best games anyone has senn in a long long time.also if your going by gs ratings there are 5 games with an 8.8 so shut up quit being a little bi**h. the wii and ps3 are good systems to there just starting out now if the wii can make better games and not just partie games that would be an improvment also if the ps3 could hold on to there exclusive tittles they will improve. right now 360 is rockin so screw your old systems shell out 400$ and buy a 360.not to mention there are a hell of a lot of exelent looking games coming out this year.

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#27 Frankazami
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It still boggles my mind why the Wii is so severely underpowered compared to the X360 and PS3. Heck, the PS2 may have been less powerful than the X-box or GC, but not to the point where the differences were galaxies apart.
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#28 Silvaryn
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I'll certainly admit to being a bit disappointed, or at least underwhelmed, so far. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "sucks to be a next-gen owner right now", but I would probably feel that way if I'd made the mistake of getting rid of my PS2 when I got my PS3 a few months ago. That's not something I would ever do though, so at this point I'm certainly no worse off than if I hadn't gotten a PS3. But sadly, I haven't really felt as if I'm all that much better off yet, either.

Probably has a lot to do with taste in games in my case, as well as the fact that I've always tended to have a fairly decent gaming PC that I stick to for certain genres of games. I rarely play shooters on consoles at all, unless it's one that really appeals to me and isn't available in a PC version. That's the main reason that neither the Xbox nor the X360 ever held any appeal for me -- the games they seem to be concentrating on, while impressive and ground-breaking for consoles I guess -- are not that big a deal for people who have spent years with PC shooters. It sounds unkind, but I was amazed at the popularity of Halo and Halo 2. To me, after having played everything from Quake to Tribes to Half-Life mods to Unreal Tournament, both Halos just seemed like simplified junior versions, paired with an inferior control scheme. I feel largely the same way about Resistance on the PS3... it's a very serviceable game, and nicely designed. But it's really not doing much of anything that we haven't had for years in Doom 3, Quake 4, even earlier in Unreal. It strikes me as a pretty basic, middle-of-the-road shooter, only with a worse control scheme than you'd have on the PC. But I would guess that if you never had a PC to play shooters on, these games probably seem like the best thing ever, certainly they have been popular.

That's largely why I've never had any desire to get an Xbox or X360, since between the PS2 and a PC, I could already play most anything that appealed to me. However, I did buy the PS3, mainly because of my extreme level of satisfaction with the PS2. But so far, I'm concerned that the PS3 seems to be trying to be a lot more like the X360, and a lot less like a Playstation. Even months down the road here, it's all feeling rather similar to me, and that's not good. If I wanted these kinds of games on a console, I'd already have a 360. I'm hoping that in time, we'll start to see a lot more variety and diversity on the PS3 games front, with things that make it more appealing to buy and more satisfying to own. The development costs are clearly a barrier now however, and I fear that many of the fun, charming, quirky games which gave the PS2 its own distinct character (and such a huge selection and variety) are going to fall by the wayside from here on out. We've really been spoiled I guess, and I frankly don't expect that we'll ever see the likes of the PS2's library again on any console.

I think you also hit on one of the main problems with the current situation as well, with this comment:

After all, next-gen games are supposed to be the wave of the future with better graphics, sound, precision, and more content.

mrvic87

Those are exactly what they do seem to be concentrating on, with most of the next-gen titles. Everything but the gameplay. And for me, gameplay is far more important than those other factors. My PS3 has really proved this to me lately, since it has become clear that all the HD graphics, digital surround sound, and high-performance hardware in the world won't make for a good game if the gameplay isn't there. And my PS2 keeps on proving to me that if a game is really good, it's still good no matter how old-school the graphics and sound are.

 

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When 360 came out, I didn't expect to see any games get a rating lower than an 8.9 (GS scoring). After all, next-gen games are supposed to be the wave of the future with better graphics, sound, precision, and more content. After about a year, there are only about 5 games out right now that are rated 8.9 or higher for the 360. In comes the PS3, which didn't do any better, have yet to have a game hit anywhere near an 8.9 rating. The Wii, although with a neat innovative controller, is just going backwards resurrecting games I used to play when I was a child (which I find corny to begin with). I'm a bit disappointed with how things are shaping up with next-gen. You have two powerful systems with so much potential (360 and PS3) and virtually no real games to complement them. Keep your PS2s and Xboxs. It must suck to be a next-gen owner right now. What are your thoughts on this?

mrvic87
Lets face it. 90% of game developers are in it for the money as opposed to people like the developers of GoW and Mario/zelda franchises actually attempting to make good games. but instead we get crap like another prince of persia port/ or far cry that we all have already played. have you noticed that next gen was supposed to have better load times too. we werent supposed to be sitting and waiting at all. but on some games on the 360 im waiting longer than a PS2 game to load. its gayer than aids.
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#30 strategik_basic
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Give it some time and you will see killer apps.  This new generation of console gaming is the first since the days of NES and Sega Master System that I did not jump on during launch.  I mean the XBOX, PS2, and Gamecube still have tons of great games that I am playing and enjoying.  The prices of these new gen consoles and games are a deterrent for me as well as the lack of decent libraries also played into why I did not hop on the new gen wave.

 

I figure by around Christmas time this year or early next year things will get better (prices and gaming selection) and I will invest in at least one of the new gen consoles then. 

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#31 Terami
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I'm going to say "next gen" when referring to the 360,PS3 or Wii, simply because PS2, PC and my Cube are still "this gen" for me and many others.  While I know it's going to bother some of you... I don't care. :P 

Well, I don't like how the "next gen" has started out at all.  The industry seems to be at some kind of turning point and yet it doesn't seem to want to move forward.  I can't help but get the impression that even the developers are confused on who to support or if to take that chance on the new consoles.

As far as games go for the newer consoles, there are no games out currently that I have an interest in.  I love RPG's and I don't even see that many to interest me in the near future on these new consoles.  Only a small handful have caught my eye but I think it's sad that here I am drowning in RPG's on my PS2 & PC and there are so few being announced for the newer consoles.  There's way too much focus on the FPS & TPS genres.  Needless to say, I'll be enjoying my PS2 & PC for a while to come.

Lastly, my husband got into the 360 nonsence last year, only to have to replace it 3 months later with... yup, another defective.  Needles to say, the Microsoft brand name is garbage in our house.  I can only hope that in time, when this "next gen" starts to flourish, that these companies concentrate more on quality, both in hardware and software.  So, yeah, so far I'm pretty disappointed.

I realize it takes time for the games but this new generation of consoles is just unfolding in such a wierd way.  So, we're waiting to see how things unfold further before we waste any more money.

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#32 EmanSolid117
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It's going to take a while for atleast the PS3 to start bringing itself up to the standards that the 360 has already set. The guy's at Sony only thought that it was important to supply the PS3 in time for Christmas, without any good games to go with it. Look at that Robot mech game, I forgot what it was called, anyway the game was horrid. The PS3 was just rushed out the door, and was not focused on alittle bit more. The guy's at Sony were probably like, "the 360 came out last year, we have to get the PS3 out as soon as possible". It just seems like they wanted the PS3 to be out in the sun along with the other consoles. Me, im getting a PS3 on Christmas, hopefully by then Sony would have rectified themselves. About Microsoft real quick, I hate the fact that peoples 360's are breaking, mine has survived ever since I got it which was April 12th of last year. Can't Microsoft fix this problem already?
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#33 _AbBaNdOn
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Yes im very disappointed.  

 I'd say more but i just cant express all the reasons why i think its that way.   It just sucks that it is that way and it probably wont be changing any time soon. 

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#34 azuroc
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I'll certainly admit to being a bit disappointed, or at least underwhelmed, so far. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "sucks to be a next-gen owner right now", but I would probably feel that way if I'd made the mistake of getting rid of my PS2 when I got my PS3 a few months ago. That's not something I would ever do though, so at this point I'm certainly no worse off than if I hadn't gotten a PS3. But sadly, I haven't really felt as if I'm all that much better off yet, either.

Probably has a lot to do with taste in games in my case, as well as the fact that I've always tended to have a fairly decent gaming PC that I stick to for certain genres of games. I rarely play shooters on consoles at all, unless it's one that really appeals to me and isn't available in a PC version. That's the main reason that neither the Xbox nor the X360 ever held any appeal for me -- the games they seem to be concentrating on, while impressive and ground-breaking for consoles I guess -- are not that big a deal for people who have spent years with PC shooters. It sounds unkind, but I was amazed at the popularity of Halo and Halo 2. To me, after having played everything from Quake to Tribes to Half-Life mods to Unreal Tournament, both Halos just seemed like simplified junior versions, paired with an inferior control scheme. I feel largely the same way about Resistance on the PS3... it's a very serviceable game, and nicely designed. But it's really not doing much of anything that we haven't had for years in Doom 3, Quake 4, even earlier in Unreal. It strikes me as a pretty basic, middle-of-the-road shooter, only with a worse control scheme than you'd have on the PC. But I would guess that if you never had a PC to play shooters on, these games probably seem like the best thing ever, certainly they have been popular.

That's largely why I've never had any desire to get an Xbox or X360, since between the PS2 and a PC, I could already play most anything that appealed to me. However, I did buy the PS3, mainly because of my extreme level of satisfaction with the PS2. But so far, I'm concerned that the PS3 seems to be trying to be a lot more like the X360, and a lot less like a Playstation. Even months down the road here, it's all feeling rather similar to me, and that's not good. If I wanted these kinds of games on a console, I'd already have a 360. I'm hoping that in time, we'll start to see a lot more variety and diversity on the PS3 games front, with things that make it more appealing to buy and more satisfying to own. The development costs are clearly a barrier now however, and I fear that many of the fun, charming, quirky games which gave the PS2 its own distinct character (and such a huge selection and variety) are going to fall by the wayside from here on out. We've really been spoiled I guess, and I frankly don't expect that we'll ever see the likes of the PS2's library again on any console.

I think you also hit on one of the main problems with the current situation as well, with this comment:

[QUOTE="mrvic87"]

After all, next-gen games are supposed to be the wave of the future with better graphics, sound, precision, and more content.

Silvaryn

Those are exactly what they do seem to be concentrating on, with most of the next-gen titles. Everything but the gameplay. And for me, gameplay is far more important than those other factors. My PS3 has really proved this to me lately, since it has become clear that all the HD graphics, digital surround sound, and high-performance hardware in the world won't make for a good game if the gameplay isn't there. And my PS2 keeps on proving to me that if a game is really good, it's still good no matter how old-school the graphics and sound are.

 

 

Dude, I agree. Halo is a very weak franchise. It got popular because its a FPS on a console and its decent. I remember playing it and remember it feeling so clunky, especially after playing Quake 3 on the PC. Resistance is light years better than the first two halos, but seriously, Quake 3 arena is still my favorite FPS. 

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I apologize for not being too clear on what I previously said regarding, "It must sucks to be a next-gen owner right now".  That statement has no bearing or effect on you since you still own your PS2.  I said that thinking of all the long lines that were formed around stores nationwide at launch, where the majority of those people gave up their PS2s and possibly their PS2 games for the next-gen consoles.  Only to find that there are only a few games worth buying at $60.  The gamers that enjoy FPS games are the ones that are somewhat fortunate to own a next-gen console.  The other next-gen owners are saying that they use their PS3s as  PS2s when that was not their main intent on getting the pricey hardware.  You were smart for keeping your PS2, while I just simply waited to see how the two powerful consoles slug it out.  I feel the same way as you do in which the Xbox never really appealed to me.  I played a couple of games on their and I can admit that it is more powerful than the PS2, it isn't superior to the PS2.  People bought into the hype with next-gen and may have failed to sit back and think about their decision to get the newer consoles.  What's interesting is that even though next-gen is here and there is all talk about the PS2 being almost dead, yet there plenty of games in development for the almost dead system.  This isn't a rant, just more of a concern.  It has nothing to do with not having the money to get either next-gen system (according to the other post). 

I'll certainly admit to being a bit disappointed, or at least underwhelmed, so far. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "sucks to be a next-gen owner right now", but I would probably feel that way if I'd made the mistake of getting rid of my PS2 when I got my PS3 a few months ago. That's not something I would ever do though, so at this point I'm certainly no worse off than if I hadn't gotten a PS3. But sadly, I haven't really felt as if I'm all that much better off yet, either.

Probably has a lot to do with taste in games in my case, as well as the fact that I've always tended to have a fairly decent gaming PC that I stick to for certain genres of games. I rarely play shooters on consoles at all, unless it's one that really appeals to me and isn't available in a PC version. That's the main reason that neither the Xbox nor the X360 ever held any appeal for me -- the games they seem to be concentrating on, while impressive and ground-breaking for consoles I guess -- are not that big a deal for people who have spent years with PC shooters. It sounds unkind, but I was amazed at the popularity of Halo and Halo 2. To me, after having played everything from Quake to Tribes to Half-Life mods to Unreal Tournament, both Halos just seemed like simplified junior versions, paired with an inferior control scheme. I feel largely the same way about Resistance on the PS3... it's a very serviceable game, and nicely designed. But it's really not doing much of anything that we haven't had for years in Doom 3, Quake 4, even earlier in Unreal. It strikes me as a pretty basic, middle-of-the-road shooter, only with a worse control scheme than you'd have on the PC. But I would guess that if you never had a PC to play shooters on, these games probably seem like the best thing ever, certainly they have been popular.

That's largely why I've never had any desire to get an Xbox or X360, since between the PS2 and a PC, I could already play most anything that appealed to me. However, I did buy the PS3, mainly because of my extreme level of satisfaction with the PS2. But so far, I'm concerned that the PS3 seems to be trying to be a lot more like the X360, and a lot less like a Playstation. Even months down the road here, it's all feeling rather similar to me, and that's not good. If I wanted these kinds of games on a console, I'd already have a 360. I'm hoping that in time, we'll start to see a lot more variety and diversity on the PS3 games front, with things that make it more appealing to buy and more satisfying to own. The development costs are clearly a barrier now however, and I fear that many of the fun, charming, quirky games which gave the PS2 its own distinct character (and such a huge selection and variety) are going to fall by the wayside from here on out. We've really been spoiled I guess, and I frankly don't expect that we'll ever see the likes of the PS2's library again on any console.

I think you also hit on one of the main problems with the current situation as well, with this comment:

[QUOTE="mrvic87"]

After all, next-gen games are supposed to be the wave of the future with better graphics, sound, precision, and more content.

Silvaryn

Those are exactly what they do seem to be concentrating on, with most of the next-gen titles. Everything but the gameplay. And for me, gameplay is far more important than those other factors. My PS3 has really proved this to me lately, since it has become clear that all the HD graphics, digital surround sound, and high-performance hardware in the world won't make for a good game if the gameplay isn't there. And my PS2 keeps on proving to me that if a game is really good, it's still good no matter how old-school the graphics and sound are.

 

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I apologize for not being too clear on what I previously said regarding, "It must sucks to be a next-gen owner right now".  That statement has no bearing or effect on you since you still own your PS2.  I said that thinking of all the long lines that were formed around stores nationwide at launch, where the majority of those people gave up their PS2s and possibly their PS2 games for the next-gen consoles.  Only to find that there are only a few games worth buying at $60.

mrvic87

No need for apologies, you were clear on what you meant. I was just comparing my own situation with both consoles, and I definitely agree with you. The gamers that I feel sorriest for are the ones who (due to apparently being fairly young and without much of their own discretionary income yet) made the decision to trade in their PS2 and all their great games, in order to just get in the next-gen door with a PS3. I can't imagine how much that situation would suck at this point, for someone who likes the kind of games I do. So far, it looks like it's going to be a very long wait for games to finally show up for the PS3 that will rival the fun and appeal of the PS2 games we already have.

This isn't a rant, just more of a concern.  It has nothing to do with not having the money to get either next-gen system (according to the other post). 

mrvic87

Absolutely, and I've found it a very interesting thread (barring the isolated immature goofball, which you always run into eventually). As an adult gamer, money really isn't an issue, and I have no qualms about spending to enjoy one of my main hobbies. The issue is with the consoles and games available. You raise very valid concerns for a lot of us, I know I've been thinking about it a lot lately and trying to figure out just why the early launch/post-launch experience for the new consoles seems to be so radically different (and much less impressive and satisfying) than it was with the PS2. As others have noted, it does seem that with the new machines and the increased difficulty and expense in developing for them, the industry itself is moving in a different direction. And to me, it doesn't seem to be a good one. I fear we're moving to the point where the games will be limited to major "blockbuster" releases -- sequels to proven hits, and in proven franchises/genres which are viewed as sure-fire mass-market sellers, then ported across both next-gen machines whenever possible to maximize profit. I think the more things move in that direction, the less we'll see publishers taking any chances on other, unique games that appeal strongly to a niche audience without always being multi-million sellers. The PS2 has a ton of such games, and its variety means that there's something (usually lots of things) for everyone no matter their taste. We may be seeing the end of that, which would be a shame.

 

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As much as I don't agree with a lot of the things that you may have said so far, I have to agree with you here. I never really played games on PC, but I am considering it now.

[QUOTE="2deluxe"]My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.mrvic87

You really should try some games on PC if you never played any, first of all the FPS games is just wonderfull on a PC Half-Life2 is amazing. RTS games is also best played on PC, though fighters, racing and sports games is terrible if you dont use a gamepad. The only downside with a PC is that it's very expesive to keep the hardware up to date.
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I think it's still too early to make final conclusions since the next-gen consoles are still new. The biggest hurdle for developers is creating great profitable games with great contents using thight budgets. Perhaps we should wait a year or two for them to figure it out.

In the mean time the PS2 still suits me fine. 8)

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Can I purchase PC games via download, or would you or anyone else recommend that I get the disc ?

[QUOTE="mrvic87"]

As much as I don't agree with a lot of the things that you may have said so far, I have to agree with you here. I never really played games on PC, but I am considering it now.

 

[QUOTE="2deluxe"]My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.ikwal

You really should try some games on PC if you never played any, first of all the FPS games is just wonderfull on a PC Half-Life2 is amazing. RTS games is also best played on PC, though fighters, racing and sports games is terrible if you dont use a gamepad. The only downside with a PC is that it's very expesive to keep the hardware up to date.

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I think it's still too early to make final conclusions since the next-gen consoles are still new. The biggest hurdle for developers is creating great profitable games with great contents using thight budgets. Perhaps we should wait a year or two for them to figure it out.

In the mean time the PS2 still suits me fine. 8)

dr_jashugan

I completely agree with you. At the end of the day the this gen (last gen to next gen owners) consoles didnt exactly have any groundbreaking games and at the end of the day I still prefer alot of ps1 games but next gen will ppick up soon

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Well, I do believe that it will pick up soon but I just didn't think that it was worth the wait in long lines that stretched around blocks (some people was on line for two days!) or worth giving up a PS2 with the PS2 games.  I was tempted to get a PS3 just yesterday but I said, Nah, I can wait. 
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I think there's one thing that's really important to point out. Next-gen games haven't been as mind-blowing as people have expected, but it's not the fault of the hardware companies. It's all on the developers. The (questionable) lack of great games on PS3 and 360 hasn't been caused by Sony or Microsoft. We have companies like EA who rarely go out of their way to make their games play better on different consoles. If you've played Madden on Gamecube, you've pretty much played it on PS3, just not in HD. That brings me back to the issue I brought up earlier, which was porting. Oblivion, Resistance, Gears of War, and the rest of the bigger next-gen titles are part of the very few games that aren't developed either for several last-gen consoles, or on the same engines as last-gen's games. That's why we have games like DOA4 which benefit from all the awesome visuals of the Xbox 360, but still play just like the Xbox games. Developers will either become more ambitious with time, or one developer will put out a game, whip massive amounts of ass with it, and then everyone else will wake up and realize what kinds of games they could be making.
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You make very good points. 

They need time to adapt to the next-gen consoles.  That is why they are porting to keep gamers busy.  This only benefits gamers that are into certain genres or  gamers that may have not had the chance to play certain games.  It conceals the fact that there aren't any "new" next-gen games that are out right now.  In reference to what you said in the end, "Developers will either become more ambitious with time, or one developer will put out a game, whip massive amounts of ass with it, and then everyone else will wake up and realize what kinds of games they could be making.", that's great for us gamers.  Let's just hope developors don't pull an "EA" (Buyin the exclusive rights of the NFL) on other developers that provide competition.

I think there's one thing that's really important to point out. Next-gen games haven't been as mind-blowing as people have expected, but it's not the fault of the hardware companies. It's all on the developers. The (questionable) lack of great games on PS3 and 360 hasn't been caused by Sony or Microsoft. We have companies like EA who rarely go out of their way to make their games play better on different consoles. If you've played Madden on Gamecube, you've pretty much played it on PS3, just not in HD. That brings me back to the issue I brought up earlier, which was porting. Oblivion, Resistance, Gears of War, and the rest of the bigger next-gen titles are part of the very few games that aren't developed either for several last-gen consoles, or on the same engines as last-gen's games. That's why we have games like DOA4 which benefit from all the awesome visuals of the Xbox 360, but still play just like the Xbox games. Developers will either become more ambitious with time, or one developer will put out a game, whip massive amounts of ass with it, and then everyone else will wake up and realize what kinds of games they could be making. shady_825

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So, you're letting Gamespot reviews dictact how next gen games are doing??
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GS is just one entity=one opinion.  If the majority of the gaming world have the same views on systems or games, it's likely that they know what they are talking about.  Most importantly, it depends on how much I really like a sytsem, game or genre, in which I wouldn't care what others may say.

So, you're letting Gamespot reviews dictact how next gen games are doing??b11051973

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I don't care what system you have, there will always be good, fair and bad games for it. Not every game can be wonderful...For example, on PS2 try and compare GTA: San Andreas and True Crime: streets of New York..no competition, GTA is superior....how about MGS: Snake Eater and Mercenaries..again, no competition, MGS is superior.

Also, you can't expect PS3 to have a great line up like PS2, because it's had almost no shelf life...it's new...there will be good games for it, you just have to be patient...remember when Resident Evil: Code Veronica came out? awesome game for it's time...Resident Evil 4 (on the same system)? now far superior to Code Veronica...

Just be pateint...Maybe the real problem here is a lot of people paid top dollar (way more than it's worth in my opinion) for a next Gen system and they expected to have a huge line up of games to start off with...It didn't happen...someday there'll be tons of good games available...it's just a waiting game... 

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I feel that sony and microsoft did not put any effort into these consoles, i was watching a review on g4 for Gundam CF, and some other games. It made me sick just to watch it. They looked like they were pulled a pc game or 360 game.  I think that sony should waited a few more years to release the ps3 because it is a big big big disapointment
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I am being patient.  I was fortunate to wait this long on not getting a PS3.  I truly believe that Sony released the PS3 much too soon to compete with MS.  If they released it this year, it could have been a different story.  I have not hear any technical issues with the PS3 so that's a good sign. 

I don't care what system you have, there will always be good, fair and bad games for it. Not every game can be wonderful...For example, on PS2 try and compare GTA: San Andreas and True Crime: streets of New York..no competition, GTA is superior....how about MGS: Snake Eater and Mercenaries..again, no competition, MGS is superior.

Also, you can't expect PS3 to have a great line up like PS2, because it's had almost no shelf life...it's new...there will be good games for it, you just have to be patient...remember when Resident Evil: Code Veronica came out? awesome game for it's time...Resident Evil 4 (on the same system)? now far superior to Code Veronica...

Just be pateint...Maybe the real problem here is a lot of people paid top dollar (way more than it's worth in my opinion) for a next Gen system and they expected to have a huge line up of games to start off with...It didn't happen...someday there'll be tons of good games available...it's just a waiting game... 

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I don't care what system you have, there will always be good, fair and bad games for it. Not every game can be wonderful...For example, on PS2 try and compare GTA: San Andreas and True Crime: streets of New York..no competition, GTA is superior....how about MGS: Snake Eater and Mercenaries..again, no competition, MGS is superior.

Also, you can't expect PS3 to have a great line up like PS2, because it's had almost no shelf life...it's new...there will be good games for it, you just have to be patient...remember when Resident Evil: Code Veronica came out? awesome game for it's time...Resident Evil 4 (on the same system)? now far superior to Code Veronica...

Just be pateint...Maybe the real problem here is a lot of people paid top dollar (way more than it's worth in my opinion) for a next Gen system and they expected to have a huge line up of games to start off with...It didn't happen...someday there'll be tons of good games available...it's just a waiting game...

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Hopefully by then the PS3 will be affordable.

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[QUOTE="2deluxe"]My brother has a 360, he played all the highlights from Gears of War to Oblivion. Now, currently bored waiting for Assasins Creed (which looks promising besides the fact that a slut is behind it) and Halo 3. As of now, just bored with it. Next gen will be the death of console video games. PCs will emerge as the best gaming devices once more.lil_d_mack_314

i can believe it, but most people don't want to always have to update their PCs just to play the newest games...at-least that's just me, id rather sped it on a console and be done with it. but PC does have an edge i think



Thank you. I hate when Iv'e payed an equivalent of $3000 for new GFX card and a year later, i can't enjoy all the eye-candy. It's fun to see how fast the gaming industry is evolvnig, sure, but still it stings every time i have to choose medium over high...