What's the great deal about FF X?

I'm writting this because I see many, many people says that FF X was one of the very best games ever created, and in my opinion it was just the same old known chemistry applied into a PS2 generation game. I'm about to post the reasons why I can't consider this to be an outstanding game, as I feel it just "good".

1.- Combat system: Was here something new, innovative or surprising? I think I saw this same system in FF VII (altough summons looked awesome).

2.- Graphics: They were amazing for its time, but now they hardly stand a chance against the ones seen in FF XII. I rather think of this categhory as null.

3.- Story: Oh come on! There's not a single nice twist in this game! The first five minutes were intense, as you couldn't understand a thing of what was going on, but then, after the arrival to Spira, it just turned out to be the same known story of the hero saving the world.

4.- Character: Were there any depht, besides that depressed Yuna criying the entire game, among the characters? Things I can remember: Kimari lost his horn (that's deep), Rikku was somewhat abandoned by his people, and then reunited again with them, Auron is a dead corpse walking, Wakka lost his brother and Lulu a future husband. And that's it! None of these secondary plots resolve at all, they're just the neccesary background; static and unavoidable. Going again to FF VII, you saw a fighter Cloud trough the entiure game, a character tormented by his ghosts, someone more "human" if you want it. That character, just as his nemesis Sephirot, were tremendously well achieved, not like here.

5.- Sound: Same ol' same ol'.

6.- Blitzball: Urgh, the thing I hate the most about this game is Blitzball. Not only it was a stupid attemp to mix sports and RPG combat system, but it was so ambitious that the programmers thought it would be a nice idea if you could participate in tournaments during the entire game. No, that's just plainly stupid and I can't figure out why someone would have come out with something like that, if somebody could please show me the highlights of this sport role playing game, I would be most pleased.

And that's it right now, if I can think of any other thing that bothers me, or if anyone of you has something different to add or refute, you're all welcome.

People just have their opinions. I have my own, and I KNOW that there are plenty of people out there that are more than ready to argue that my choice of some of the best games ever, are simple not. it's just an opinion, you don't like that game as much, others do. You're trying to make them change their minds with your 'logic.' Sorry, but while I may not think that FFX was one of the best games ever, I certainly did like it A LOT, and there is nothing you can say or do to make me think otherwise.

Now, FFX-2..... Well, that is a game I will not defend at all.

People just like it. To some, it could be their first RPG which might warant a spot in their gaming hearts. To others, it could just be a great RPG that they played. I enjoyed it. I can't give an exact reason why, but I did.

Personally, I don't like FF VII or the Metal Gear Solid series but everyone seems to like them. Those are just my examples of games that are widely loved that I don't understand what the big deal about them is.

1.- Combat system: Was here something new, innovative or surprising? I think I saw this same system in FF VII (altough summons looked awesome).

2.- Graphics: They were amazing for its time, but now they hardly stand a chance against the ones seen in FF XII. I rather think of this categhory as null.

3.- Story: Oh come on! There's not a single nice twist in this game! The first five minutes were intense, as you couldn't understand a thing of what was going on, but then, after the arrival to Spira, it just turned out to be the same known story of the hero saving the world.

4.- Character: Were there any depht, besides that depressed Yuna criying the entire game, among the characters? Things I can remember: Kimari lost his horn (that's deep), Rikku was somewhat abandoned by his people, and then reunited again with them, Auron is a dead corpse walking, Wakka lost his brother and Lulu a future husband. And that's it! None of these secondary plots resolve at all, they're just the neccesary background; static and unavoidable. Going again to FF VII, you saw a fighter Cloud trough the entiure game, a character tormented by his ghosts, someone more "human" if you want it. That character, just as his nemesis Sephirot, were tremendously well achieved, not like here.

5.- Sound: Same ol' same ol'.

6.- Blitzball: Urgh, the thing I hate the most about this game is Blitzball. Not only it was a stupid attemp to mix sports and RPG combat system, but it was so ambitious that the programmers thought it would be a nice idea if you could participate in tournaments during the entire game. No, that's just plainly stupid and I can't figure out why someone would have come out with something like that, if somebody could please show me the highlights of this sport role playing game, I would be most pleased.

Enmiand

1. Actually the battle system was a bit different, at least in the FF universe.

2. Graphics don't make a game :|

3. I thought it was a good story. Made you think, and those make for interesting stories.

4. There was more to the characters than that lol.

Kimahri was shunned by his people, disgraced, and spent his time as a bodyguard to Yuna instead of staying with his people.

Rikku...meh, you got me there.

Wakka had issues with religion, Machina, and the Al Bhed. His brother was only a part of it all.

Auron had a back story too, besides being an unsent that watched over Tidus, and helped bridge Tidus' world with Spira.

Lulu...also a meh character sure.

Yuna dealt with no family, the pressures and stresses of being a summoner and knowing her fate, and the whole "love" plot too.

Tidus wasn't real, had family issues, and refused to give up, wouldn't let Yuna die. He made a sacrifice, too.

And this "comparing to FFVII" thing isn't a good argument either. FFVII was way better, not comparable.

5. Yeah, sound's always like that though

6. Blitzball was just a side-quest, really. Not necessary, you didn't HAVE to play it.

Let me ask you this, what's the big deal with FF 7?

As well, the battle system in FF 10 is actually very different from FF 7, Overdrives could be used differently, the ability to switch out characters at will, the power to control summons, characters could be customized at will, there were no real "levels". While complex the grid system, it allowed players to make Kimari a mage, Wakka a powerhouse and Yuna cast any type of spell.

Graphics? Well of course it looked good at the time, it's incredibly old! You are comparing between two different FFs made in two different time periods! You can't honestly expect the same graphics for each PS2 game, that would be insanely boring and no one would bother buying consoles, despite what you think, the PS2 is capable of delieviring nice graphics, it's just with these old games, it doesn't show.

As for story wise, you can't honestly expect that the word "Fantasy" in FF means nothing to you? Do you expect in 10 that people will instead of saving the world, go rescue a kitten from a tree? This is a game where the hero must save the world, isn't that what most RPGs are about? Sure it's a little clichéd and a little tiring, but as gamers, we never seem to care once we get into the game.

For characters, they all started out hating Tidus, and soon grew to see him as a friend and comrade. Sure they're not well thought of, or they don't seem to have much of a personality. But these are characters with more than you realize, while you seem to be comparing the characters between FF 7 and FF 10, let me ask you this, Does anyone even LIKE Cait Sith? Or Yuffie? Heck, might as well start crying about Aerith while I'm at it. While the characters in FF 10 aren't perfect, I found that digging deeper in each of their story is satisfying.

Music wise, I can't say it's the same, while playing long hours of the songs give me headaches, I found that FF 10 had one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard. With a mix of rock and orchestra, I found that the sound in FF 10 was great.

You do realize that Blitzball is a minigame, so you don't even have to ever play it, except for the storyline game, but who cares about that one, whether you win or lose it's the same. While it's not the greatest mini game created, I found it enjoyable when I grew tired of battling monsters, it's meant to help you relax, not intesified about kicking a ball in the net.

It was an enjoyable game, as it had a good story, characters, and I prefer that type of battle system over the new on in FF12. What I didn't like was the over use of mini-games for items to gain my Ultimate weapons. Dodging lightning bolts 200 times is almost beyond frustrating. FFX was a good game, but it isn't my all time favorite of all time. I reserve FF6 as #1, and FF4 as #2 on that list.vicsrealms

I'm writting this because I see many, many people says that FF X was one of the very best games ever created, and in my opinion it was just the same old known chemistry applied into a PS2 generation game. I'm about to post the reasons why I can't consider this to be an outstanding game, as I feel it just "good".

1.- Combat system: Was here something new, innovative or surprising? I think I saw this same system in FF VII (altough summons looked awesome).

2.- Graphics: They were amazing for its time, but now they hardly stand a chance against the ones seen in FF XII. I rather think of this categhory as null.

3.- Story: Oh come on! There's not a single nice twist in this game! The first five minutes were intense, as you couldn't understand a thing of what was going on, but then, after the arrival to Spira, it just turned out to be the same known story of the hero saving the world.

4.- Character: Were there any depht, besides that depressed Yuna criying the entire game, among the characters? Things I can remember: Kimari lost his horn (that's deep), Rikku was somewhat abandoned by his people, and then reunited again with them, Auron is a dead corpse walking, Wakka lost his brother and Lulu a future husband. And that's it! None of these secondary plots resolve at all, they're just the neccesary background; static and unavoidable. Going again to FF VII, you saw a fighter Cloud trough the entiure game, a character tormented by his ghosts, someone more "human" if you want it. That character, just as his nemesis Sephirot, were tremendously well achieved, not like here.

5.- Sound: Same ol' same ol'.

6.- Blitzball: Urgh, the thing I hate the most about this game is Blitzball. Not only it was a stupid attemp to mix sports and RPG combat system, but it was so ambitious that the programmers thought it would be a nice idea if you could participate in tournaments during the entire game. No, that's just plainly stupid and I can't figure out why someone would have come out with something like that, if somebody could please show me the highlights of this sport role playing game, I would be most pleased.

And that's it right now, if I can think of any other thing that bothers me, or if anyone of you has something different to add or refute, you're all welcome.

Enmiand

1. Combat System: the sphere grid leveling system was one of the most innovative things of these game, the Aeons are awesome, and i think that the battle system, overall, is one of the most addictive RPGs battle systems (i would have expected more overdrives, though)

2. Graphics: As you said, they where amaizing for its time, you cant expect them to be amazing for ever; usually the graphics are the least thing i take on consideration when i rate a turn based RPG.

3. and 4. Story and characters: You cant say the story is shallow just because FFVII's story is deeper... of course FFVII's story and characters are deeper, thats because FFVII is probably the best game ever made and any plot looks weak compared t it. FFX's storyline was a little hard to follow sometimes, but i think it was great. Shiggums wrote more about the characters above this post ^^^

5. Sound: FFX has one of the most memorable soundtracks ever made, only comparable with FF7! i mean, come on! did you even listen "To Zandarkand"? the game is full of Nobuo Uematsu's music wich means that its really deep music that fits perfectly with the storyline and you can never get tired of listening (i think the battle song is even better than the one of FF7)

6. Blitzball: OK, i personally think blitzball sucks, but its only optional and you have the obligation of playing it i think only one time in the hole game

Overall: its not going to be better than FF7, but its still one the best games ever made.

2) I prefer FFX graphics to FFXII. FFXII has a lower polygon count than FFX but higher texture resolution, lighting effects and so on. FFX remains better for me.

3) I hate to break it to you, this is what RPGs are about, you always go out and save the world, care to tell me what else there is?

4) If you are claiming FFXII has more character depth, you are insane. FFX was equally plot and character driven. The plot twists were quite good. Looks like you are one of those FFVII fanboys, face it, FFVII's plots made absolutely no sense in retrospect.

5) FF consistently has some of the better soundtracks available, FFX was one of the first times they experimented with more complex sounds, if you prefer beeps, go back to pac-man.

6) Blitzball is admittedly love or hate, its not forced on anyone and the one time it is forced there is no pressure to win. I personally played the hell out of it and again on FFX-2, it had considerably more depth than some other minigames we get with RPGs these days.

As to the person who said FFX-2 sucked, remember its not part of the main plot, its lighthearted, mission based and here comes the most horrifying part to most of you, a female lead. There is a fast paced game there, very smooth movement and the sphere system is one of the most innovative battle systems on FF.

Personally, I don't like FF VII or the Metal Gear Solid series but everyone seems to like them. Those are just my examples of games that are widely loved that I don't understand what the big deal about them is.staindcoldlp

same here.. i thought metal gear was BORING, and FFVII wasnt that fantastic.

FFX is loved to the extent that it is because it was/is the pinnicle of the traditional final fantasy gameplay design. X-2 was more of an experiment with adding new gameplay elements onto the old system before they essentially scrapped it and went with something new for FFXII. For the uber traditionalist FFX is the last true FF game.

I actually love FFXII and don't subscribe to these views however they are why FFX is so overwhelmingly loved by a certain group of people.

and P.S.

Blitzball RULED in FFX.

Now now, this is what I wanted to see, a lot of people giving serious arguments to defend their favorite game. when I wrote this topic I knew I was going to be "booed" in some aspect, but to my surprise, you all have made a lot of sense in what you're saying. I respect that and I only want to clarify certain things:

1.- First of all, I'm not triying to convince anyone about anything. Actually, this whole topic was directed to those who found the game awesome, just so they could explain to me what was the big deal about. If you like it, I like that.

2.- I think RPG's are in constant demand of something new. Wheter it could be any of the aspects listed before, to be innovative is always a good thing, specially in a genre that usually tends to play the same macro storyline over and over (that is, saving the world). If you're a real player, then you know that seeing the same things over and over isn't fun. I understad; if it is your first RPG, then of course you'll find it beautiful in every aspect, but I'm a hardcore RPG fan, and my standars are a bit higher than "fun". So, this question was aiming to those players who are willing to experience more than fun from a game.

3.- I addmit it, for me FF VII is the best game ever created, but that doesn't blind me of seeing anything different. Actually, I'm always hoping to see a game that would kick FF VII's ass, and that's why I appreciate so much every try to be different or innovative. That's what I loved the most of FF XII, and what I found most relevant in FF X regarding the grid system.

4.- If you disagree with me that's fine, just try not to be offensive when saying your opinions. To disqualify me doesn't make you right either. Specially because I don't think I'm right; I have an opinion and that's it. Don't try to make yours more relevant than mine, we're all equals when talking about feelings.

honestly i can't understand why everyone out there considers FFVII the best of the franchise. i personally liked FFIX a lot more than FFVII and FVIII. the story of FFX was okay and not shallow but even though the blitzball minigame and the others were optional they were a pain in the ass. you have to put a lot of effort into it go gain the precious weapons and other stuff. without the don tombery trick you have i hard time to even finsih the "final boss" of the game not considering the optional ones you can fight.falconzss

You a late adopter of the PS2?

Back when FFX was released, PS2's libary of RPG games were few. Just to get an idea of where the RPG market was at.... Shadow Hearts was released a bit after and was the main reason why it got such a low score from IGN. If you read it, the reviewer constantly bashes it with FFX.

Final boss in FFX is easy, because the final stage of that battle is impossible to lose at. All of your characters get a pernament auto resurrection casted on them. The real fights in FFX were the regualr Boss battles within the game... and the optional battle arena part.

I'm writting this because I see many, many people says that FF X was one of the very best games ever created, and in my opinion it was just the same old known chemistry applied into a PS2 generation game. I'm about to post the reasons why I can't consider this to be an outstanding game, as I feel it just "good".

1.- Combat system: Was here something new, innovative or surprising? I think I saw this same system in FF VII (altough summons looked awesome).

2.- Graphics: They were amazing for its time, but now they hardly stand a chance against the ones seen in FF XII. I rather think of this categhory as null.

3.- Story: Oh come on! There's not a single nice twist in this game! The first five minutes were intense, as you couldn't understand a thing of what was going on, but then, after the arrival to Spira, it just turned out to be the same known story of the hero saving the world.

4.- Character: Were there any depht, besides that depressed Yuna criying the entire game, among the characters? Things I can remember: Kimari lost his horn (that's deep), Rikku was somewhat abandoned by his people, and then reunited again with them, Auron is a dead corpse walking, Wakka lost his brother and Lulu a future husband. And that's it! None of these secondary plots resolve at all, they're just the neccesary background; static and unavoidable. Going again to FF VII, you saw a fighter Cloud trough the entiure game, a character tormented by his ghosts, someone more "human" if you want it. That character, just as his nemesis Sephirot, were tremendously well achieved, not like here.

5.- Sound: Same ol' same ol'.

6.- Blitzball: Urgh, the thing I hate the most about this game is Blitzball. Not only it was a stupid attemp to mix sports and RPG combat system, but it was so ambitious that the programmers thought it would be a nice idea if you could participate in tournaments during the entire game. No, that's just plainly stupid and I can't figure out why someone would have come out with something like that, if somebody could please show me the highlights of this sport role playing game, I would be most pleased.

And that's it right now, if I can think of any other thing that bothers me, or if anyone of you has something different to add or refute, you're all welcome.

Enmiand

Hello my friend :)

Let me give you my point of view, since I enjoyed this wonderful game after hating it at first:

1) Combat system: the sphere grid was really intimidating at first. Once you get the hang of it, you could make even Yuna a melee powerhouse (well, sort off). Now, on the action... from a FF standpoint, the ability to change characters on the fly was really strategic, and the overdrives that required button imputs keeps you on your toes.

2) Graphics: I do think that games like FF7, Super Mario 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Sonic on Dream Cast, Resident Evil 2 and so on are considered some of the best games ever created, even though by today standards they look like the Joker after fighting Neo Bahamut... so I don't know why you diss the graphics on this game.

3) Story: You can call me a shallow person, but for me to find out that Auron was actually dead, that Tidus was more or less like a dream and that Jecht was a Sin-loving- father were strong points of the storyline, adding misthycism (spell :P) to the characters.

4) Characters: I won't argue... they lacked the personality traits of other main characters from the series... but you should not look them down, because they were portrayed as they should have been, so I suppose this is not that bad (I do admit that Lulu, Rikku and Chewbacca {Khimari} were the weak links, in my opinion)

5) Sound: I liked it

6) I understand, it's a love it or hate it minigame... but I would rather have this than tetramaster on FF9 :P

Again, just my opinion, have a nice day!

(I do admit that Lulu, Rikku and Chewbacca {Khimari} were the weak links, in my opinion)Sephiroth89

ha, Chewbacca...xD

And yeah, I too found Wakka to be sort of.... esquizophrenic or something. At a time he was all about Yevon, and then he turned out to be a machina lover. Don't know, sometimes he was a pacific friend and then, out of the blue, he transformed into this rage machine. Weeeeirdo. xD

Sephirot89, that was a nice commentary. I appreciate it and have nothing to say to it. Hope some people would learn from you.

It's your own opinion against million other. You just simplify things too much. You simplify the sh*t out of this magnificent game... Enough said.

1.- Combat system: It was something new, both combat and sphere grid, you are just blinded by "I want to write something bad about FFX" thoughts

2.- Graphics: Graphics should be considered for their time and they were great.

3.- Story: Well no argument here

4.- Character: Well, you are even more optimistic than me in here, personally since FFVIII all FF characters are bad except Balthier and Basch in FFXII. The depth is not just the problem in characters.

5.- Sound: It was great, not just the same old same old. There is no song in others like Suteki Da Ne, period.

6.- Blitzball: Its a sidequest and those were your thoughts. personally I enjoyed it so much and played it for hours like its a different game.

Even I look like opposing you, I too think whats great deal about FFX. It was good at its time because it was almost released with PS2 and there were no other rival games. but now, there are many many better RPGs, Shadow Hearts, Shin Megami Tensei series ( Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1-2, Persona ), Valkyrie Profile 2, Dark Cloud 2, Xenosaga and finally Final Fantasy XII. FFX just had the early release advantage like PS2 in its time and now Xbox360.