4D Graphics: A Reality Only For PlayStation 3 (Demo Video Link Inside)

We all know what 3D graphics are - length, width & depth, but how many know what 4D graphics are? If you are one of the millions of people thinking 'What the %&$* are 4D graphics?', don't be alarmed. You've already seen them. Shocking isn't it? We all remember Kutaragi proclaiming not too long ago that PS3 would utilize 4D graphics, but what exactly did he mean?

4D, from a developer's point of view, is is the progression of Life in time. It is where every tangible object in your game is living and constantly changing. As a result, change becomes an integral part of 4D graphics.

But how does all of this become possible? The answer is the dynamic rendering of procedural textures. Sounds complicated, but it's not. Let me explain.... ----->

http://www.psu.com/4D-Graphics--A-reality-only-for-PlayStation-3-Feature--a1063-p0.php

[FYI - 4D Graphics or more correctly 4D Algorythms are not improved graphics, It relates to a tangible enviroment within a game which is living and constantly changing. The demo video's are not to show off amazing graphics but quick demo's of how some of these algorythms can be used within a gaming enviroment.]

Please read the article or check out the other posts if you are unsure what exactly this is refering to as there as been a bit of confusion as to what 4D graphics are.

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the graphics look good, but it still looks same to me as 3D lol what you thinking judas?i-Set

the graphics look good, but it still looks same to me as 3D lol what you thinking judas?i-Set

Maybe I wasn't looking at it properly, but I didn't really see anyithing special either...

Interesting, this could definitely immerse a player even more into virtual reality.

I wonder how far are we from real virtual world..

lol, I think you missed it aswell, these vids arnt about graphics its about real-time dynamic non linear in game time/aging algorythms. Menaing world of thew game will never remain the same, it will age, grow and progress in a non linear fashion.judas-savior

Okay...I sort of get it now...not really though..

i suppose this could be used in mmog's or games like the sims.

to fit it into most games youd have to have some obscure concept with time, like timeshift where you can speed up time, rewind time. other than that i cant see this being used in realistic games, because its so much information which wont really be seen, i mean who's going to stand in front of a wooden boat for a month to see it deteriorate?

isnt the 4th dimention 'duration'?jack_michael

More accurately, the most widely accepted definition among real scientists for the fourth dimension is just "time".

You look at a game like Blinx or TimeShift - those are 4D games, whether people like it or not.

This article showed a video with 4D manipulation (the tiles in the tub) but the first video showed absolutely nothing. It claimed to have real deformation of the wood under the rain, real rusting poles, real degrading light bulbs. None of that was shown. Hell, none of that is even needed for a game. Nobody is going to complain if you only have a time trigger that says at a certain point, the wood breaks, or the light goes out.

I didn't even bother reading the rest of the pages.

[QUOTE="i-Set"]the graphics look good, but it still looks same to me as 3D lol what you thinking judas?the4got10one

Maybe I wasn't looking at it properly, but I didn't really see anyithing special either...

The first video is hard to tell. They fast foward the second video down the page. It's much more dramatic aging of the bathroom.

This would work wonders if properly implemented in the world of Oblivion.Neo1O1

LOL, well just think of it in terms of an FF game which t`hey plan to utalize it in I beleive.. you start your game in this little town ya know happy and stuff.. You come back around half way through the game and they buildings are worn, the towns deserted etc. if you get what I mean..

It means the enviroment changes, you dont need to sit there and watch it.. its something that subtly happens over the course of a game. IT doesn't have to have anything to do with time, its something which is best suited for RPG's or games you spend along time in etc.

But these algorythms could make a major impact on RPG's ocf the future.. ever changing enviroments would just be sweet that nothing will remain looking the same, aging and growing etc.. I just think its a brilliant ideajudas-savior

but ff games have always been liniar, i did think about it, but i believe it would work best with wrpgs, and if this is going to be used realtime then mmog's.

[QUOTE="jack_michael"]isnt the 4th dimention 'duration'?oxrs

More accurately, the most widely accepted definition among real scientists for the fourth dimension is just "time".

You look at a game like Blinx or TimeShift - those are 4D games, whether people like it or not.

This article showed a video with 4D manipulation (the tiles in the tub) but the first video showed absolutely nothing. It claimed to have real deformation of the wood under the rain, real rusting poles, real degrading light bulbs. None of that was shown. Hell, none of that is even needed for a game. Nobody is going to complain if you only have a time trigger that says at a certain point, the wood breaks, or the light goes out.

I didn't even bother reading the rest of the pages.

[QUOTE="judas-savior"]LOL, well just think of it in terms of an FF game which t`hey plan to utalize it in I beleive.. you start your game in this little town ya know happy and stuff.. You come back around half way through the game and they buildings are worn, the towns deserted etc. if you get what I mean..

It means the enviroment changes, you dont need to sit there and watch it.. its something that subtly happens over the course of a game. IT doesn't have to have anything to do with time, its something which is best suited for RPG's or games you spend along time in etc.

But these algorythms could make a major impact on RPG's ocf the future.. ever changing enviroments would just be sweet that nothing will remain looking the same, aging and growing etc.. I just think its a brilliant ideajack_michael

but ff games have always been liniar, i did think about it, but i believe it would work best with wrpgs, and if this is going to be used realtime then mmog's.

[QUOTE="jack_michael"]

[QUOTE="judas-savior"]LOL, well just think of it in terms of an FF game which t`hey plan to utalize it in I beleive.. you start your game in this little town ya know happy and stuff.. You come back around half way through the game and they buildings are worn, the towns deserted etc. if you get what I mean..

It means the enviroment changes, you dont need to sit there and watch it.. its something that subtly happens over the course of a game. IT doesn't have to have anything to do with time, its something which is best suited for RPG's or games you spend along time in etc.

But these algorythms could make a major impact on RPG's ocf the future.. ever changing enviroments would just be sweet that nothing will remain looking the same, aging and growing etc.. I just think its a brilliant ideajudas-savior

but ff games have always been liniar, i did think about it, but i believe it would work best with wrpgs, and if this is going to be used realtime then mmog's.

yeah what you said about ffvii would be cool, what im saying though, isisnt the whole point of 4D natural ageing of enviroment? but because ff games are linear, and have a story to tell, this wouldnt really work as well as free roaming rpgs (wrpgs). but saying that, who knows, i only have my opinion of the future and you have yours, been nice discussing this subject with you judas-savior.

When people spout out buzz words like 4D gaming and jacking into the matrix that makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

They have no idea what they are talking about. Just let the games speak for themselves.

When people spout out buzz words like 4D gaming and jacking into the matrix that makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

They have no idea what they are talking about. Just let the games speak for themselves.

SemiMaster

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

When people spout out buzz words like 4D gaming and jacking into the matrix that makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

They have no idea what they are talking about. Just let the games speak for themselves.

judas-savior

Chill out, I'm not talking about you.

As you said yourself though "4D" is time. That's been around since the beginning. I said the people (not you) who come up with this crap, I.E. Sony, have to make up big buzz words for prexisting concepts because face it, most of the PS3's offerings aren't as stellar as most people would want.

Hence, stop making up cheap terms that alienate a lot of consumers, analysts and generally technologically savvy people. Make good games, let them do the talking, not bumbleheaded PR reps.

Clearly you should read closer yourself before jumping to wild conclusions.

This is lame. So you tell me I can watch that wood dock in my video game rot? Can't wait to sit there for the years it takes to happen. If this is based on time, why put it in a game? Games don't last nearly long enough to input what they were showcasing in the vids on that link.Timbo84

[QUOTE="judas-savior"][QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

When people spout out buzz words like 4D gaming and jacking into the matrix that makes me ashamed to be a PS3 owner...

They have no idea what they are talking about. Just let the games speak for themselves.

SemiMaster

Chill out, I'm not talking about you.

As you said yourself though "4D" is time. That's been around since the beginning. I said the people (not you) who come up with this crap, I.E. Sony, have to make up big buzz words for prexisting concepts because face it, most of the PS3's offerings aren't as stellar as most people would want.

Hence, stop making up cheap terms that alienate a lot of consumers, analysts and generally technologically savvy people. Make good games, let them do the talking, not bumbleheaded PR reps.

Clearly you should read closer yourself before jumping to wild conclusions.

[QUOTE="Timbo84"]This is lame. So you tell me I can watch that wood dock in my video game rot? Can't wait to sit there for the years it takes to happen. If this is based on time, why put it in a game? Games don't last nearly long enough to input what they were showcasing in the vids on that link.clsnbrdr616

• if they use this technology for a shenmue game in the future ( i know its not going to happen) or gta imagine how much depth the game would have. everything from time of day to real time weather effects that actually affect your environtment over time. no two play throughs would be the same. anybody get what im saying i dont think im wording this correctly.

How about use some Madden technology.

If it's snowing outside in your area, it's snowing in game.

You should probably put in your OP that the 4th dimension is time and that 4d games won't have improved grahpics but will ahve living environments. By living environments I mean things will age, deteriate, and generally be affected by time, im just sticking that out there anyway.
moshakirby

I see where your coming from, my apologies. On the contrary I don't think its that big a deal to talk about implimenting 4D algorythms in games, just like the change to HD etc. its just stuff going on, not everyone wants or needs ot kinow but I had the article sent to me so thought I would share it.
judas-savior

The 4D debacle has been talked to death in System Wars since before the PS3 came out.

However, if any system can implement dynamically changing environments that vary with time, such as amount of snow, or level of water that fills up in a basin or something like that, that would be the PS3, assuming people use the Cells multiple processing unints properly to take care of these little side things.

Some games do this to a smaller extent now, but nothing like what is proposed, which I believe along with better Physics and AI will be the future of gaming progress, not graphics or fancy controls.

[QUOTE="judas-savior"]

I see where your coming from, my apologies. On the contrary I don't think its that big a deal to talk about implimenting 4D algorythms in games, just like the change to HD etc. its just stuff going on, not everyone wants or needs ot kinow but I had the article sent to me so thought I would share it.
SemiMaster

The 4D debacle has been talked to death in System Wars since before the PS3 came out.

However, if any system can implement dynamically changing environments that vary with time, such as amount of snow, or level of water that fills up in a basin or something like that, that would be the PS3, assuming people use the Cells multiple processing unints properly to take care of these little side things.

Some games do this to a smaller extent now, but nothing like what is proposed, which I believe along with better Physics and AI will be the future of gaming progress, not graphics or fancy controls.

Agreed, this gen of gaming all eyes have been on graphics and online capabilities.. I for one would love to see gamplay attributes improved with all the above mentioned. Totally get your point, I think games like GTAIV for example will be a step in the right direction with being more concerned about gameplay than graphics.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

[QUOTE="judas-savior"]

I see where your coming from, my apologies. On the contrary I don't think its that big a deal to talk about implimenting 4D algorythms in games, just like the change to HD etc. its just stuff going on, not everyone wants or needs ot kinow but I had the article sent to me so thought I would share it.
judas-savior

The 4D debacle has been talked to death in System Wars since before the PS3 came out.

However, if any system can implement dynamically changing environments that vary with time, such as amount of snow, or level of water that fills up in a basin or something like that, that would be the PS3, assuming people use the Cells multiple processing unints properly to take care of these little side things.

Some games do this to a smaller extent now, but nothing like what is proposed, which I believe along with better Physics and AI will be the future of gaming progress, not graphics or fancy controls.

Agreed, this gen of gaming all eyes have been on graphics and online capabilities.. I for one would love to see gamplay attributes improved with all the above mentioned. Totally get your point, I think games like GTAIV for example will be a step in the right direction with being more concerned about gameplay than graphics.

This whole concept though will improve graphics with destructible and dynamically changing environments while also having an impact on play. So its a win win situation I think.

[QUOTE="judas-savior"][QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

[QUOTE="judas-savior"]

I see where your coming from, my apologies. On the contrary I don't think its that big a deal to talk about implimenting 4D algorythms in games, just like the change to HD etc. its just stuff going on, not everyone wants or needs ot kinow but I had the article sent to me so thought I would share it.
SemiMaster

The 4D debacle has been talked to death in System Wars since before the PS3 came out.

However, if any system can implement dynamically changing environments that vary with time, such as amount of snow, or level of water that fills up in a basin or something like that, that would be the PS3, assuming people use the Cells multiple processing unints properly to take care of these little side things.

Some games do this to a smaller extent now, but nothing like what is proposed, which I believe along with better Physics and AI will be the future of gaming progress, not graphics or fancy controls.

Agreed, this gen of gaming all eyes have been on graphics and online capabilities.. I for one would love to see gamplay attributes improved with all the above mentioned. Totally get your point, I think games like GTAIV for example will be a step in the right direction with being more concerned about gameplay than graphics.

This whole concept though will improve graphics with destructible and dynamically changing environments while also having an impact on play. So its a win win situation I think.

If the changes in materials is scripted, then the result is not realistic. Now if it the changes were dynamic that would be 4D.Torous

Okay.In what type of games will we be using this duration texture blah blah blah whatever.

The reason i say is because if ps3 has been using this. I couldnt notice a damn thing in resistance or motor storm or in the past titles of ps3.

Okay.In what type of games will we be using this duration texture blah blah blah whatever.

The reason i say this because if ps3 has been using this. I couldnt notice a damn thing in resistance or motor storm or in the past titles of ps3.