Blue-ray = ps3 losing?

Blu-ray HD-DVD who cares a movie is a movie

The problem with the PS3 is it's a toy. A very expensive toy. They packed it full of bleeding edge hardware and that costs money.

Every 24 months hardware doubles in performance...forget PC's the PS1 to PS2 and the PS2 to PS3 are perfect examples of what happens in 6 years.

6 years from now new hardware will smoke the PS3 and if we stay on track that is around the same time the "format war" might be over and developers might be reaching the limits of the PS3. Problem is we didn't need it all last month. But that is when we paid a premium for it...we are not aging wine here...or are we?

Sony simply lost focus on what they were doing.

 

Yuck_Foo

that's what you think.

Dunno how people are always making descisions for a big company that is worldwide.

Blu_ray not losing right now

HD player will get very popular soon, Sony knows what they are doing.

Also why would 360 get a new one?

http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=4281

MS must think Sony is doing something right.

BTW it's almost $500 and it still doesn't have a hd player.  (true, only because MS says hd dvd and bd are untried media or something like that)  However I'm focusing on the specs and looks of the machine, remind you of somethng? 

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Tharound the same time the "format war" might be over.

 

TheJihadJoe

Consoles are toys to be played with not cancer curing, home theater, luxuries for the rich.

[QUOTE="TheJihadJoe"][QUOTE="Yuck_Foo"]

Tharound the same time the "format war" might be over.

 

Yuck_Foo

you're forgetting the feb 2009 digital change in the US

instead of getting a stupid adapter many people are just going edtv or hdtv

VHS and DVD 480i (DVD 480p)  however with new hdtv's people will want to see their movies in HD so you can't really compare the two since tvs haven't had a change like this in a while, I don't see why people can't see this. 

maybe sony should have sold the blue-ray seperately like MS did with the HD-DVD cuz the ps3 would have been way cheaper that way

MuffinsKill

[QUOTE="TheJihadJoe"][QUOTE="Yuck_Foo"]

Tharound the same time the "format war" might be over.

Yuck_Foo

Consoles are toys to be played with not cancer curing, home theater, luxuries for the rich.

you're forgetting the feb 2009 digital change in the USRahKayne

maybe sony should have sold the blue-ray seperately like MS did with the HD-DVD cuz the ps3 would have been way cheaper that way

MuffinsKill

so YES there is a media war going on...a HD media war....ANYONE who says different is ignorant and stupidTheJihadJoe

[QUOTE="RahKayne"]you're forgetting the feb 2009 digital change in the USYuck_Foo

??

It's set in stone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television_in_the_United_States

On February 8th, 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Digital Television Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005", a section of the "Deficit Reduction Act of 2005." This law mandated a hard shut-off date of February 17, 2009 for the end of all analog (NTSC) TV transmissions in the U.S., thus ending this uncertainty. The act also provided for the auctioning off of the frequencies associated with UHF channels 52 to 69, and set aside $990 million for a voucher program enabling low-income households to purchase converter boxes.

Existing analog TV sets would still work with cable or satellite service, or use a converter box with an ATSC tuner that would convert digital over-the-air (OTA) signals to analog; the National Telecommunications and Information Administration is presently conducting a rulemaking for a program that would give certain U.S. households up to two $40 coupons towards the purchase of converter boxes.

I can find the bill online, but I'll have to come back tomorrow. Or you can find it yourself.

Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.JeffisGawd

not really for example  I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased.  Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

Compression is not good, it's one more thing the cpu has to do, having uncompressed media, cut scenes, levels allows for more stuff the processor can do.   

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

Compression is not good, it's one more thing the cpu has to do, having uncompressed media, cut scenes, levels allows for more stuff the processor can do.

Yeah, I remember that. I think its some sort of survival or something like that. Dont remember the game name. Those features are extremely cool, cause they add realism to the gameplay.

Also what Kojima is doing is also cool. I always pay attention to the sounds in the game, especially if its a stealth game. Now being in the middle of a war, sounds are going to be more than great, specially when dodging Mini Metal Gears. I also liked the concept of being human in the game, I mean, having the possibility of letting soldiers live without having them attack you again after you release them. It really adds to the game, I always find that sometimes Im not in the mood to kill the enemies, and if I were given the possibility I would let them run away. 

[QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.JeffisGawd

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

that's just one example, but it's UNIQUE

people ask for unique things in games, to do things never done before, extra space makes that possible, if you don't like it then that's you.

People want originality, some people don't.  Like I said before in addition to that it opens up more thing the processor can do.

Let alone the digital change, people are gonna want hd movies on their hd tv, period. 

[QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.JeffisGawd

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

Well then kid, go play another retarded FPS game were all you do is shoot or if you can, go play a NES, those games have no story at all, so people like you can enjoy.

Ciao neene 

[QUOTE="TheJihadJoe"]so YES there is a media war going on...a HD media war....ANYONE who says different is ignorant and stupidYuck_Foo

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.kenshinhimura16

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

Well then kid, go play another retarded FPS game were all you do is shoot or if you can, go play a NES, those games have no story at all, so people like you can enjoy.

Ciao neene

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

that's just one example, but it's UNIQUE

people ask for unique things in games, to do things never done before, extra space makes that possible, if you don't like it then that's you.

People want originality, some people don't. Like I said before in addition to that it opens up more thing the processor can do.

Let alone the digital change, people are gonna want hd movies on their hd tv, period.

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example  I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased.  Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

Compression is not good, it's one more thing the cpu has to do, having uncompressed media, cut scenes, levels allows for more stuff the processor can do.   

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.JeffisGawd

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

Well then kid, go play another retarded FPS game were all you do is shoot or if you can, go play a NES, those games have no story at all, so people like you can enjoy.

Ciao neene

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

that's just one example, but it's UNIQUE

people ask for unique things in games, to do things never done before, extra space makes that possible, if you don't like it then that's you.

People want originality, some people don't. Like I said before in addition to that it opens up more thing the processor can do.

Let alone the digital change, people are gonna want hd movies on their hd tv, period.

I didn't say it would be good, but going through the same types of games get boring, and people say there is no originality left in games, this is a step in the right direction. (although not the only one) Plus it is one example.

and GOD it's ONE example

Let alone the compression and the

HD movie needs soon in 2009, how come noone is answering that?

DOn't matter I gotta go, good night. 

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.JeffisGawd

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

Well then kid, go play another retarded FPS game were all you do is shoot or if you can, go play a NES, those games have no story at all, so people like you can enjoy.

Ciao neene

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"][QUOTE="RahKayne"]

[QUOTE="JeffisGawd"]Ehh, if Mass Effect and Oblivion can fit on one DVD, I'm pretty sure most PS3 games can fit on one DVD. And why is MGS4 taking up so many gigs? Isn't it mostly for some new sound technology? Lawl, no thanks, that's far from needed. The PS3 won't last 10 years. Not as a game machine, at least. Maybe as a DVD player. That said, I still plan on getting one. I'm just waiting for the price to drop. For my interests, it isn't worth $600.RahKayne

not really for example I forget which game dev but they said this:

The game coming out in fall will feature for the PS3 live shows on the tvs.

paraphased. Anyways it means that they just stuck whole shows in the game so as you walk by a tv it'll be playing a show, you could sit an watch it, and it'll on be on the ps3 cause of the space.

That doesn't intrigue me at all. If anything, it sounds like a waste of space. I play the game to...well, play the game. If want to watch shows, I'll either watch TV.

that's just one example, but it's UNIQUE

people ask for unique things in games, to do things never done before, extra space makes that possible, if you don't like it then that's you.

People want originality, some people don't. Like I said before in addition to that it opens up more thing the processor can do.

Let alone the digital change, people are gonna want hd movies on their hd tv, period.

NEVERshuriken_ninja

I LIKE THE PS3shuriken_ninja

no one is forcing you to watch hd movies using bluray players.. but it would be stupid if u need a bluray player to play 30gb games.. then switch to your HDDVD thats way cheaper.. just to watch movies... atleast imo.. too lazy lol :)expanded

[QUOTE="expanded"]no one is forcing you to watch hd movies using bluray players.. but it would be stupid if u need a bluray player to play 30gb games.. then switch to your HDDVD thats way cheaper.. just to watch movies... atleast imo.. too lazy lol :)Yuck_Foo

As for the extra material and directors cuts...the vast majority of them are pointless anyway.

"no one is forcing you to watch hd movies using bluray players.. but it would be stupid if u need a bluray player to play 30gb games.. then switch to your HDDVD thats way cheaper.. just to watch movies... atleast imo.. too lazy lol :)"

I don't use an HDDVD player either. I have a player that upscales all DVDs to mimic HD. It definitely looks better than 480i/p and I get to watch all my DVDs with better clarity, and that's what matters to me. I didn't even mind watching movies in SD, I'm pretty sure most people don't. Does it look as good as 1080p? No, but I don't have a TV that supports it and won't for a long time. Unless I win the lottery.

guys, blu-ray movies are outstanding...you all should get casino royale, it is unbelievable. true hd right there.... oh and check out this blu-ray/hd-dvd player:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10085191&catid=24855

soon enough, the games on the 360 will start showing its age compared to Blu-ray games. Realize, why some games on the 360 are crazy short like Gears of War or Call of Duty 2 etc. They're very short games, which is why longer games need more than 1 DVD. junk56

There are rumour about a new version of xbox 360 (black coloured) which will have a HDMI port and use HD-DVD. Only a rumour though.

[QUOTE="junk56"]soon enough, the games on the 360 will start showing its age compared to Blu-ray games. Realize, why some games on the 360 are crazy short like Gears of War or Call of Duty 2 etc. They're very short games, which is why longer games need more than 1 DVD. Thomas-Crown

There are rumour about a new version of xbox 360 (black coloured) which will have a HDMI port and use HD-DVD. Only a rumour though.

should've had it optional like MS?

unless you've been living under a rock or in the Amazon rain forest with a canibalistic tribe, or both

its naive to think that the next gen-format wont be needed 6-12 months from now.  whether you need it now or not, by christmas this year the at leats 50% if not more of conusmers will be brand new owners of an HDTV set with prices of displays plumeting each month making them cheap and more affordable.  I just saw a Westinghouse 32" 1080i HDTV for $499 in the paper from one of Canada's big chain electronics store.

by having the HD DVD drive optional, MS is just creating an illusion that you have a choice, when in reality you dont.  You WILL need to upgrade because thats where the entertainment industry is headed.  Not just gaming, but the movie industry as well. It may not be to HD DVD you'll upgrade to, but tech trends are saying next-gen format is taking over and taking over fast

and we would still be stuck with the current-gen format. i think its time to move one. on the other hand im in favor of a cheaper console. i guess this was one of the crucial decisions to be made. MGS4 needs to come out and be amazing so that people will stop complaining about Bluray :PTakiwara

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[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]yes they should off, people by game systems for games not movies, movies arnt gonan sell the system, i like the discs and like that they can hold so much space but it seems the 360 is doin fine with dvds so the ps3 coudl of aswell, the blu ray was uneeded and will cause alot of peopel to pass ont he system due to the price it made it-DirtySanchez-

ah actually many people bought a ps2 bc at the time it was one of the cheapest dvd players on the market