Blu-Ray has won. Universal anounced no new HD DVD titles at CES.

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This is the end of the format war.  Universal is the last exclusive supporter of HD DVD, and it anounced no titles whatsoever for the format at CES, where as every other movie studio anounced tons of titles for Blu-Ray, or for both formats, like the non-exclusive Warner Bros. and Paramount.  Considering the fact that the exclusivity contract between Universal and Toshiba (HD DVD) runs out this month, it seems as if Universal is switching sides, or at least going neutral.

There were over 600 Blu-Ray titles anounced at CES, compared to a mere 200 HD DVD titles, and everyone of those titles were from either Warner Bros. or Paramount and were also anounced for Blu-Ray.  HD DVD will recieve no exclusive content this year.

Many HD DVD diehards speculate that Universal is waiting to release its list of future titles at some later date, but considering the fact that it anounced loads of titles at last year's CES and that it has made absolutely no effort to renew the contract with Toshiba, it seems as if they have seen the light, and decided to maximize profits by switching to Blu-Ray.

This has saved us all from a horrible format war that initial seemed like it wouldn't end for years, but luckily, only a few early early adopters got cought up in the mess.

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#2 jlabadie88
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I saw that too but I think they only announced no new titles for Q1. I think it'll pick up later this year.
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This is the end of the format war. Universal is the last exclusive supporter of HD DVD, and it anounced no titles whatsoever for the format at CES, where as every other movie studio anounced tons of titles for Blu-Ray, or for both formats, like the non-exclusive Warner Bros. and Paramount. Considering the fact that the exclusivity contract between Universal and Toshiba (HD DVD) runs out this month, it seems as if Universal is switching sides, or at least going neutral.

There were over 600 Blu-Ray titles anounced at CES, compared to a mere 200 HD DVD titles, and everyone of those titles were from either Warner Bros. or Paramount and were also anounced for Blu-Ray. HD DVD will recieve no exclusive content this year.

Many HD DVD diehards speculate that Universal is waiting to release its list of future titles at some later date, but considering the fact that it anounced loads of titles at last year's CES and that it has made absolutely no effort to renew the contract with Toshiba, it seems as if they have seen the light, and decided to maximize profits by switching to Blu-Ray.

This has saved us all from a horrible format war that initial seemed like it wouldn't end for years, but luckily, only a few early early adopters got cought up in the mess.

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Do you have a link? Not trying to say you're lying, but where'd you get the 600 vs. 200 number? Last time i checked bluray had 72 confirmed titles o.o
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Blu-ray strikes hard and fast... Toshiba stumbles....

are they out of the fight?

we'll see
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interesting... hmmm
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

This is the end of the format war. Universal is the last exclusive supporter of HD DVD, and it anounced no titles whatsoever for the format at CES, where as every other movie studio anounced tons of titles for Blu-Ray, or for both formats, like the non-exclusive Warner Bros. and Paramount. Considering the fact that the exclusivity contract between Universal and Toshiba (HD DVD) runs out this month, it seems as if Universal is switching sides, or at least going neutral.

There were over 600 Blu-Ray titles anounced at CES, compared to a mere 200 HD DVD titles, and everyone of those titles were from either Warner Bros. or Paramount and were also anounced for Blu-Ray. HD DVD will recieve no exclusive content this year.

Many HD DVD diehards speculate that Universal is waiting to release its list of future titles at some later date, but considering the fact that it anounced loads of titles at last year's CES and that it has made absolutely no effort to renew the contract with Toshiba, it seems as if they have seen the light, and decided to maximize profits by switching to Blu-Ray.

This has saved us all from a horrible format war that initial seemed like it wouldn't end for years, but luckily, only a few early early adopters got cought up in the mess.

Takiwara
Do you have a link? Not trying to say you're lying, but where'd you get the 600 vs. 200 number? Last time i checked bluray had 72 confirmed titles o.o

Only 72 with confirmed dates. Let me try and find some links with all the movies. I'm only looking at partial lists, but these are the numbers they're using at the product wars and the AVS forums.
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format war was over a while ago, people were just too stubborn to admit it. lol, poor, poor, hd-dvd buyers.
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#9 StarFoxCOM
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Look right here

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?show=nowavailable

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?show=comingsoon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HD_DVD_releases

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#10 deactivated-61ff675e61178
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Here's the article concerning the lack of Universal movies at CES: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/Universal/CES:_No_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429

 They have 210 titles alone for Blu-Ray here with more that have yet to be listed: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

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Totals

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Hmm all that is needed now for HD-DVD to offically die is Universal going neutral ...

  Then the retailers will begin to doubt HD-DVD ... thats went it'll fall ...
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HD-DVD lost long ago MS fanboys just don't want to admit it. I really don't even know why people would go for HD-DVD fanboy or not it's just inferior in every way possible to the blu ray. No movies and less space. I would think it would be for the price difference(the price difference for the players is large, but the price in discs is the same) but most MS fanboys try to make up things that make the HD-DVD seem better than blu ray(like having "more features") and they almost never talk of price when arguing that HD-DVD is better.
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]Here's the article concerning the lack of Universal movies at CES: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES/Universal/CES:_No_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429 They have 210 titles alone for Blu-Ray here with more that have yet to be listed: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

fixed :wink:
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"] They have 210 titles alone for Blu-Ray here with more that have yet to be listed: [url]http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.htmlzakkro
fixed :wink:


Okay i think we have a link to at least every Hd-DVD release and blu-ray

And i can tell you now Blu ray will kill HD-DVD.

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#17 Brendruis
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Toshiba please.... end this.. it's not worth it..

You guys are a really good electronics company...especially for optical disk drives.. Hey, I bet you guys could make some really nice Blu-ray combo drives for the PC.

Toshiba... I beg you... for the sake of the people.... just let it go
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HD-DVD lost long ago MS fanboys just don't want to admit it. I really don't even know why people would go for HD-DVD fanboy or not it's just inferior in every way possible to the blu ray. No movies and less space. I would think it would be for the price difference(the price difference for the players is large, but the price in discs is the same) but most MS fanboys try to make up things that make the HD-DVD seem better than blu ray(like having "more features") and they almost never talk of price when arguing that HD-DVD is better. onemic

i never planned on buying a hd-dvd player for my 360, and i probably never will buy blu-ray movies for my future ps3. I will say though that these consoles are losing their true identities of being game machines

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[QUOTE="onemic"]HD-DVD lost long ago MS fanboys just don't want to admit it. I really don't even know why people would go for HD-DVD fanboy or not it's just inferior in every way possible to the blu ray. No movies and less space. I would think it would be for the price difference(the price difference for the players is large, but the price in discs is the same) but most MS fanboys try to make up things that make the HD-DVD seem better than blu ray(like having "more features") and they almost never talk of price when arguing that HD-DVD is better. Raging-Cashew

i never planned on buying a hd-dvd player for my 360, and i probably never will buy blu-ray movies for my future ps3. I will say though that these consoles are losing their true identities of being game machines

Well blu-ray allows more space on the PS3 for the devs to use. It's really just a nice secondary feature to allow people to be able to watch movies. Of course playing games will always be the main focus, but secondary features are never a bad thing. I mea, would you want these next gen systems to just play games and nothing else like the N64 did?
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lol dont forget the wii that cant playback dvd's or even cdr...

its sad that the console wars may lie on the future of the movie industry optical disc, ironic to say the least.
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#21 joevfx
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god i hope this means they will start releasing bluray movies. HD dvd has doen a horrible advertisign job for themselves, anywhere i woudl go bluray woudl eb all over the place with ads and what not, i barly ever saw any hd dvd stuff unless it was in a specialty mag
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#22 deactivated-61ff675e61178
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god i hope this means they will start releasing bluray movies. HD dvd has doen a horrible advertisign job for themselves, anywhere i woudl go bluray woudl eb all over the place with ads and what not, i barly ever saw any hd dvd stuff unless it was in a specialty magjoevfx
Their marketing strategies have been complete opposites. The Blu-Ray Disc Association has opted to do a long, steady stream of ads, where as the HD DVD camp has been building up, and plan to release a massive blitz of ads early this year, when they figured more casuals would be prepared to buy high-def movies.
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obviously sony knows what there doing with movies department, but games.. *ahem they need a little work on that department rofl.. j/k i love my ps3. But seriously smart move on sony's part, the ps3 is the undertaker and this news was the last nail in the coffin.
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of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them.
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oh the knife is going to fall on hd-dvd very soon
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of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. onemic


 Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that  will try and argue differently ...

    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

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Blu-Ray=BetaMax my ass. 8)
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242599,00.html

disney and lionsgate not backing hybrid discs.. this hybrid thing might give hd-dvd slight boost but i hope not, darn you warner!!! stubborn fools! i hope they lose all there money on this hybrid thing!!!
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lol dont forget the wii that cant playback dvd's or even cdr...

its sad that the console wars may lie on the future of the movie industry optical disc, ironic to say the least.
davez82

Yeah it really is. I honestly think big library with great games is the way to win the "console war". its truth that sony gives the best chance for devs to make great games(I no 360 is easier to program for but ps3 has more space so i figure that will mean more in the future.) but if great games arent being made then cell & blu ray dont matter.

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Ahahaha the Superior format has prevailed, new technology always wins over a mere upgrade of old technology.
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[QUOTE="onemic"]of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. choasgod



Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that will try and argue differently ...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

That's exactly what they argue against by posting a news article that talked about how great HD-DVD was back in 2006 and how it was surpassing blu-ray in sales. It just makes me laugh. I especially laugh at all those who bought the HD-DVD add on. Now we all know that this is going to cost MS big time.

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[QUOTE="choasgod"]

[QUOTE="onemic"]of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. onemic



Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that will try and argue differently ...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

That's exactly what they argue against by posting a news article that talked about how great HD-DVD was back in 2006 and how it was surpassing blu-ray in sales. It just makes me laugh. I especially laugh at all those who bought the HD-DVD add on. Now we all know that this is going to cost MS big time.



 LoL true ...
    Funny though isn't it that their best comeback "bu bu back before HD-DVD died it was good" ... 

 Can't wait for Universal to annouce its going "netural" AKA is releasing movies on both formats !
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[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="choasgod"]

[QUOTE="onemic"]of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. choasgod



Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that will try and argue differently ...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

That's exactly what they argue against by posting a news article that talked about how great HD-DVD was back in 2006 and how it was surpassing blu-ray in sales. It just makes me laugh. I especially laugh at all those who bought the HD-DVD add on. Now we all know that this is going to cost MS big time.



 LoL true ...
    Funny though isn't it that their best comeback "bu bu back before HD-DVD died it was good" ... 

 Can't wait for Universal to annouce its going "netural" AKA is releasing movies on both formats !

Its a given Universal will do that. They only signed the exclusivity contract initially because both Warner and Paramount were HD DVD exclusive as well (though voluntarily, not contractually), but then those two went neutral, and Universal was stuck with HD DVD because of the contract they signed.
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[QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="choasgod"]

[QUOTE="onemic"]of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. choasgod



Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that will try and argue differently ...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

That's exactly what they argue against by posting a news article that talked about how great HD-DVD was back in 2006 and how it was surpassing blu-ray in sales. It just makes me laugh. I especially laugh at all those who bought the HD-DVD add on. Now we all know that this is going to cost MS big time.



LoL true ...
Funny though isn't it that their best comeback "bu bu back before HD-DVD died it was good" ...

Can't wait for Universal to annouce its going "netural" AKA is releasing movies on both formats !

once that happens HD-DVD will be obliterated. Not that the death of HD-DVD won't happen without Universal leaving it'll just be faster that way.
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Okay you guys lets just say RIP HD-DVD 2006 spring 2006- January 2008 ( i put  JAN. 08 because that will be after Christmas/Hanukkah 2007 holidays.
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I saw that too but I think they only announced no new titles for Q1. I think it'll pick up later this year.jlabadie88

haha its funny how little details can change the entire meaning of of a statement isnt it bro? 

Nothing is decided yet anyway, because what it boils down to is not how many titles are released, but how much hardware is sold.  Discs are useless without hardware.  And at half the price with just as good performance (forget the smaller space, that is not important to most people) many people will go for hd dvd.  Besides, by the time blu ray comes down in price a bit, you will probably be able to get an hd dvd player for under $400.  Any sane person will pick that option...or wait even longer before buying either format.  But really, anything can happen as of right now.  People have to remember though the importance of pricing in these wars. This is far from over.

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Actually HD DVDs/players started coming out last spring.
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other than universal what other company is exclusively backing HD-DVD? Isn't only one other company?
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[QUOTE="choasgod"][QUOTE="onemic"][QUOTE="choasgod"]

[QUOTE="onemic"]of course 360 trolls are going to come in and try to say that this isn't true by posting info that talks about how HD-DVD was selling more than blu-ray and then say that the only reason why sony has that many partners is because they're close friends with them. makingmusic476



Unfortunatly Links like this beg to differ with any trolls that will try and argue differently ...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

That's exactly what they argue against by posting a news article that talked about how great HD-DVD was back in 2006 and how it was surpassing blu-ray in sales. It just makes me laugh. I especially laugh at all those who bought the HD-DVD add on. Now we all know that this is going to cost MS big time.



 LoL true ...
    Funny though isn't it that their best comeback "bu bu back before HD-DVD died it was good" ... 

 Can't wait for Universal to annouce its going "netural" AKA is releasing movies on both formats !

Its a given Universal will do that. They only signed the exclusivity contract initially because both Warner and Paramount were HD DVD exclusive as well (though voluntarily, not contractually), but then those two went neutral, and Universal was stuck with HD DVD because of the contract they signed.



 Yea ... i wish they would of just annouced going netural at CES ...
     ohh well they better do it soon anyway cause the sooner HD-DVD dies the sooner Blu-ray can become mainstream ... after all it still has to knock DVD off the top spot ...
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[QUOTE="jlabadie88"]I saw that too but I think they only announced no new titles for Q1. I think it'll pick up later this year.menduco76

haha its funny how little details can change the entire meaning of of a statement isnt it bro? 

Nothing is decided yet anyway, because what it boils down to is not how many titles are released, but how much hardware is sold.  Discs are useless without hardware.  And at half the price with just as good performance (forget the smaller space, that is not important to most people) many people will go for hd dvd.  Besides, by the time blu ray comes down in price a bit, you will probably be able to get an hd dvd player for under $400.  Any sane person will pick that option...or wait even longer before buying either format.  But really, anything can happen as of right now.  People have to remember though the importance of pricing in these wars. This is far from over.

Hardware sold depends on discs available. Will you buy an HD DVD player if when you look at the movie section you see twice the number of Blu-Ray movies available as HD DVDs?
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other than universal what other company is exclusively backing HD-DVD? Isn't only one other company? onemic
They are the only company. Originally, Warner, Paramount, and Universal backed HD DVD, with Sony/MGM, Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate supporting Blu-Ray, but last year, before either format had come out, Paramount and warner went neutral, leaving only Universal supporting HD DVD.
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There was also many companies making devices that could use both. So it's more like a nuetral victory.
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#43 deactivated-61ff675e61178
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There was also many companies making devices that could use both. So it's more like a nuetral victory.risktakerguy
But these devices are far more expensive and harder to manufacture.
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#44 onemic
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[QUOTE="onemic"]other than universal what other company is exclusively backing HD-DVD? Isn't only one other company? makingmusic476
They are the only company. Originally, Warner, Paramount, and Universal backed HD DVD, with Sony/MGM, Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate supporting Blu-Ray, but last year, before either format had come out, Paramount and warner went neutral, leaving only Universal supporting HD DVD.

whoa are you sure it's only universal? If it's true why do the trolls even try to diss blu ray? If it's possible could you provide a link?
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#45 deactivated-61ff675e61178
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="onemic"]other than universal what other company is exclusively backing HD-DVD? Isn't only one other company? onemic
They are the only company. Originally, Warner, Paramount, and Universal backed HD DVD, with Sony/MGM, Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate supporting Blu-Ray, but last year, before either format had come out, Paramount and warner went neutral, leaving only Universal supporting HD DVD.

whoa are you sure it's only universal? If it's true why do the trolls even try to diss blu ray? If it's possible could you provide a link?

To quote wikipedia, " HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by Universal Studios, and is non-exclusively backed by Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros. (including subsidiaries HBO[17] and New Line Cinema)[18], Warner Music Group, The Weinstein Company (through Genius Products)[19], Image Entertainment (including Discovery Channel)[20] , Magnolia Pictures[21], Brentwood Home Video, Ryko, Koch/Goldhil Entertainment[22], and Studio Canal. "
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#46 onemic
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Damn once they lose universal they will have nothing. Yep HD-DVD is done for sure there is really no denying that now.
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#47 choasgod
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="onemic"]other than universal what other company is exclusively backing HD-DVD? Isn't only one other company? onemic
They are the only company. Originally, Warner, Paramount, and Universal backed HD DVD, with Sony/MGM, Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate supporting Blu-Ray, but last year, before either format had come out, Paramount and warner went neutral, leaving only Universal supporting HD DVD.

whoa are you sure it's only universal? If it's true why do the trolls even try to diss blu ray? If it's possible could you provide a link?



 Can;t find a link for you but i know only :

 Toshiba
 Universal
 Microsoft

 Are the only major companies supporting Hd-DVD excluvily ...

 Comapred to :
 SONY
 Dell
 Sun Microsystems
 Disney
 Loinsgate
 FOX
 etc.

 exclusivly supporting Blu-ray ...
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#48 funnymario
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Wow. That was pretty quick.
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#49 onemic
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which really means only universal as microsoft and toshiba don't make movies.
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#50 choasgod
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Damn once they lose universal they will have nothing. Yep HD-DVD is done for sure there is really no denying that now. onemic


 Yea thats why we want Universal to become Netural ASAP ... it'll rapidly bring the format war to an end ...