BluRay vs Upconversion

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#1 Vamp112
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Is it really that great, can anyone really see a difference compared to an upconversion dvd player? 1080i vs 1080p. Slight difference. 7.1 surround sound. What else nicer menus. $30.00 a movie unless you get used, or old movies. Seems like a gimmick to me, just like Hd-Dvd an over priced gimmick.

I would like a PS3, but not for a gimmick.

Is RFOM really worth $660.00?

Because I know bluray isn't, and even the standalone player that cost $900 aren't worth it.

Before you post make sure you know what a upconversion dvd player is.

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Blu-ray is way better than upconverting DVDs because upconverting only brings out DVDs flaws.  As for Resistance I don't have it so I don't know.
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#3 Vamp112
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Blu-ray is way better than upconverting DVDs because upconverting only brings out DVDs flaws. As for Resistance I don't have it so I don't know.theycallmeryan
Wish that were true, but my upconversion dvd just makes the movie look sharper. Running HD, not SD, but I would guess to would know that if you read my post. Sorry.
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Is it really that great, can anyone really see a difference compared to an upconversion dvd player? 1080i vs 1080p. Slight difference. 7.1 surround sound. What else nicer menus. $30.00 a movie unless you get used, or old movies. Seems like a gimmick to me, just like Hd-Dvd an over priced gimmick.

I would like a PS3, but not for a gimmick.

Is RFOM really worth $660.00?

Because I know bluray isn't, and even the standalone player that cost $900 aren't worth it.

Before you post make sure you know what a upconversion dvd player is.

Vamp112
DVDs used to cost 30 dollars as well and their prices dropped. Upconversion has nothing on HD and instead of arguing you should go experience it for yourself and make you own prediction. Some people might say a video game console in general that cost 400-600 is not worth it. Worth is subjective, I bought my PS3 because i love movies and video games and I get the best experience for both. I get all the great mulitplats and great Sony exclusives which I loved on the PS2. HD is the future, TVs are coming in HD, cable comes in HD , video games come to HD, what would make you think movies wont come in HD. Movies is obviously not your passion and thats cool, but dont diss on people who love movies and want the best experience. You chose your console because you thought it would give you the best gaming experience, this is no different.
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i can tell by your post that you haven't really got the chance to sit and compare the two side by side. the short answer is yes BD is much better than even the best upscaling DVD player. its better in sound and picture. as for the rest of your post ill choose not to answer since it seems that you have already made up your mind.
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First off yes blu ray puts upconversion dvd's to shame.  Lets be honest upconversion is more of a gimmick than anything.  I notice very little difference in upconversion to a normal dvd player hooked up through the component cables.  The detail in blu ray is incredible, you can see every little detail in every seen and I only watch it in 1080i.  Also stop asking is RFOM worth 660$.  PS3 has a lot of other great capabilities and good games.  I am sick of people saying garbage like this!
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#7 Vamp112
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First off yes blu ray puts upconversion dvd's to shame. Lets be honest upconversion is more of a gimmick than anything. I notice very little difference in upconversion to a normal dvd player hooked up through the component cables. The detail in blu ray is incredible, you can see every little detail in every seen and I only watch it in 1080i. Also stop asking is RFOM worth 660$. PS3 has a lot of other great capabilities and good games. I am sick of people saying garbage like this!Richterbon23
Besides what? I'm actually on the fence right now. I know about the browser, interested in Home.
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#8 Vamp112
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i can tell by your post that you haven't really got the chance to sit and compare the two side by side. the short answer is yes BD is much better than even the best upscaling DVD player. its better in sound and picture. as for the rest of your post ill choose not to answer since it seems that you have already made up your mind.bruce-leroy
I see it in the store, not that impressive. I bet if my LCD was next to the display model I seen in the store you wouldn't be able to tell what was what.
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[QUOTE="bruce-leroy"]i can tell by your post that you haven't really got the chance to sit and compare the two side by side. the short answer is yes BD is much better than even the best upscaling DVD player. its better in sound and picture. as for the rest of your post ill choose not to answer since it seems that you have already made up your mind.Vamp112
I see it in the store, not that impressive. I bet if my LCD was next to the display model I seen in the store you wouldn't be able to tell what was what.

I also don't want a PS3 for movies, if that was the case I would by a BluRay Player. I'm more interested in what the Ps3 is capable of doing. Plus I'm a die hard Final Fantasy Fan. Since old school NES.
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resistance is not worth 660$.. it's like CoD3 gameplaywise.... But there are some games coming that will justiify the 600$ console.
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#11 bruce-leroy
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lol. did you actually get the sales person to switch from a upscaling feed to a BD feed on the sales floor? i doubt that. i've helped my friends install some of the systems they use. most of them are using a hd dish feed that is fed through a repeater and split 12 times. then they have a few sets that have a hdd with hd content on it. and if your lucky you will have one or two sets with a BD player playing a authorized movie. in fact they ussually just show the same loop that is provided by their head office. not to mention that none of the sets you see in best buy or wherever would be calibrated. and even then the difference is huge. anyways it is dawning on me that you didnt really post this thread to get an actual answer to your question, so i will no longer participate.
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#13 Vamp112
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[QUOTE="bruce-leroy"]lol. did you actually get the sales person to switch from a upscaling feed to a BD feed on the sales floor? i doubt that. i've helped my friends install some of the systems they use. most of them are using a hd dish feed that is fed through a repeater and split 12 times. then they have a few sets that have a hdd with hd content on it. and if your lucky you will have one or two sets with a BD player playing a authorized movie. in fact they ussually just show the same loop that is provided by their head office. not to mention that none of the sets you see in best buy or wherever would be calibrated. and even then the difference is huge. anyways it is dawning on me that you didnt really post this thread to get an actual answer to your question, so i will no longer participate. Vamp112
Dumb ass it was running off a blu ray player.

Good to know i'm chatting with someone who works at best buy. What a joke, lol. No I really need to go.
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#14 bruce-leroy
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sorry wrong again. i will tell you that my best friend is a installer that has a contract with best buy as well as a few other stores. anyways like i said you really don't want an actual answer to your questions so please just leave the forums and don't come back.
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#15 Vamp112
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sorry wrong again. i will tell you that my best friend is a installer that has a contract with best buy as well as a few other stores. anyways like i said you really don't want an actual answer to your questions so please just leave the forums and don't come back.bruce-leroy
That would make you his soul mate right. How about you leave this topic and don't come back.
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Upscalling to 1080p isn't the same as 1080p native.   Upscaling is just a trick, the details still aren't there because it's not on the DVD itself. 

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Is it really that great, can anyone really see a difference compared to an upconversion dvd player? 1080i vs 1080p. Slight difference. 7.1 surround sound. What else nicer menus. $30.00 a movie unless you get used, or old movies. Seems like a gimmick to me, just like Hd-Dvd an over priced gimmick.

I would like a PS3, but not for a gimmick.

Is RFOM really worth $660.00?

Because I know bluray isn't, and even the standalone player that cost $900 aren't worth it.

Before you post make sure you know what a upconversion dvd player is.

Vamp112

The only gimmick that you speak of is an upconverting DVD player.....please, stop posting trying to say that upconverted 1080i is just slighly different than native 1080p.....:roll:

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#20 b11051973
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Blu-ray is so much better than any kind of DVD. DVD's have like 6 times less resolution than Blu-ray. No upconversion can make that up.
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#21 Vamp112
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By the way they make 1080p unconversion dvd players now too. What a kick in the balls.
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#22 Vamp112
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By the way they make 1080p unconversion dvd players now too. What a kick in the balls.
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Is it really that great, can anyone really see a difference compared to an upconversion dvd player? 1080i vs 1080p. Slight difference. 7.1 surround sound. What else nicer menus. $30.00 a movie unless you get used, or old movies. Seems like a gimmick to me, just like Hd-Dvd an over priced gimmick.

I would like a PS3, but not for a gimmick.

Is RFOM really worth $660.00?

Because I know bluray isn't, and even the standalone player that cost $900 aren't worth it.

Before you post make sure you know what a upconversion dvd player is.

Vamp112

 Don't buy a PS3 yet. Stick with your 360 untill November. Right now 360 > PS3 by far.

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Upconversion will never be as good as real HD source material.  It's no different than watching standard definition channels on an HDTV instead of HD channels.  No matter how good your scaler is (either in the TV or the DVD player) it still has to make a mathetmatical guess at the way to fill in the missing pixel data.  Even from 480i to 720p you're talking 3 times the resolution and a proper de-interlacing.  That's a lot to ask.

 
By the way,  I never pay $30 for new bluray movies.  That's nuts.  I usually pay between $19 and $24, and that includes new releases.

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umm...  you could have just rented a HD movie off xbox live to see the difference?  Or if you want to go really cheap can't you DL a HD movie trailer off Live?  Or was this just a post to annoy people that own HD disc players.  Upscaling dvd players are the gimmick.  They scale a 480 imagine to a 720p or 1080i imagine.  Doesnt any HDtv scale the 480 imagine it received to the native resolution of the hdtv anyway?
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Upconversion will never be as good as real HD source material.  It's no different than watching standard definition channels on an HDTV instead of HD channels.  No matter how good your scaler is (either in the TV or the DVD player) it still has to make a mathetmatical guess at the way to fill in the missing pixel data.  Even from 480i to 720p you're talking 3 times the resolution and a proper de-interlacing.  That's a lot to ask.

 
By the way,  I never pay $30 for new bluray movies.  That's nuts.  I usually pay between $19 and $24, and that includes new releases.

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30 is nuts?! you americans are so f**king lucky! Blu-Rays are $50-$55 here!
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#27 ramey70
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[QUOTE="ramey70"]

Upconversion will never be as good as real HD source material. It's no different than watching standard definition channels on an HDTV instead of HD channels. No matter how good your scaler is (either in the TV or the DVD player) it still has to make a mathetmatical guess at the way to fill in the missing pixel data. Even from 480i to 720p you're talking 3 times the resolution and a proper de-interlacing. That's a lot to ask.


By the way, I never pay $30 for new bluray movies. That's nuts. I usually pay between $19 and $24, and that includes new releases.

ejstrup
30 is nuts?! you americans are so f**king lucky! Blu-Rays are $50-$55 here!

Gotta love Amazon !