Buying 'Used Game' --> As bas as pirating?

Of course not. It doesn't matter if it is used, the company that created the game got the money for that actual unit long before it was even bought. HandheldJunkie

You could say the same thing about Googling a serial key for a program. The company got payed once, despite the fact they lost thousands of other potential sales.

In theory, buying a used game IS pirating. But developers don't seem to care.

[QUOTE="HandheldJunkie"]Of course not. It doesn't matter if it is used, the company that created the game got the money for that actual unit long before it was even bought. Zeke129

You could say the same thing about Googling a serial key for a program. The company got payed once, despite the fact they lost thousands of other potential sales.

In theory, buying a used game IS pirating. But developers don't seem to care.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

[QUOTE="HandheldJunkie"]Of course not. It doesn't matter if it is used, the company that created the game got the money for that actual unit long before it was even bought. tazzydnc

You could say the same thing about Googling a serial key for a program. The company got payed once, despite the fact they lost thousands of other potential sales.

In theory, buying a used game IS pirating. But developers don't seem to care.

Heh, every gamer has a shared hatred of EA now :D. It's like pirtating only worse. Because games stores make alot of cash out of you. For example. I walk in and trade a game I just bought a few days ago for £15. THey then re-sell it for £40, £5 off brand new. They almost as much money as selling it new. They rip us off big time.

Also if people continued to buy used games, they woulnd't ship in new copies of that game, therefore losing the dev money. Example no.2: Store sells 50 copies of CoD3, those 50 copies are then put into circulation. A few weeks later a bunch are traded in. Since it's not a brand new game demand has afallen slightly and the used copies coming in and out are enough to satisfy demand. Therefore instead of having to order in more new CoD3s they just use the used ones. So only the store makes cash, usualy off the same disk. It's like they sell it buy it back for less sell it back for more buy for less ect ect.

If you really think buying used is morally wrong, then quit buying used. Pay full price for everything from now on, and never trade towards anything ever again. Don't use ebay, don't buy cd's from a used cd store, don't buy a used car, and always buy new homes freshly built. When your older products are wearing out or are of no use anymore, throw them away. Don't pass them on to someone who might be able to use them for a while.

Do you see how rediculous this all sounds? Used game shops are like the house realtors, the used car salesman, and the Ebay sellers. We don't like to deal with them all the time, but it's part of the economy.

[QUOTE="HandheldJunkie"]Of course not. It doesn't matter if it is used, the company that created the game got the money for that actual unit long before it was even bought. Zeke129

You could say the same thing about Googling a serial key for a program. The company got payed once, despite the fact they lost thousands of other potential sales.

In theory, buying a used game IS pirating. But developers don't seem to care.

That is the most absurd thing I've read this week lol. There isn't any theory about it, buying second hand games is in no way, shape, or form, pirating. I agree with you on the key/serial point. That is why a lot of developers started using online checks for registering their products. That way they can blacklist serials that are registered mutliple times. Please don't post that crap again about second hand games being "piracy" lol. It kinda makes me want to go over your 10,000 posts, and see how many other ignorant things you've said lol.

That is the most absurd thing I've read this week lol. Please don't post that crap again about second hand games being "piracy" lol. It kinda makes me want to go over your 10,000 posts, and see how many other ignorant things you've said lol.

-F34R-

The ignorance is strong with this one indeed. Be wary of their dark side...it may attempt to consume you...

It can only be considered as "Piracy" if an original or copyrighted material was copied/duplicated and redistributed/sold (Common Translation)

Types of Software Piracy according to SIIA ( http://www.siia.net/piracy/whatis.asp )

1. Softlifting - occurs when a person purchases a single licensed copy of a software program and loads it on several machines

2. Unrestricted Client Access - occurs when a copy of a software program is copied onto an organization's servers and the organization's network "clients" are allowed to freely access the software

3. Hard-disk Loading - occurs when an individual or company sells computers preloaded with illegal copies of software

4. OEM Piracy/Unbundling - Some software, known as OEM (original equipment manufacturer) software, is only legally sold with specified hardware. When these programs are copied and sold separately from the hardware, this is a violation of the distribution contract between the vendor and the software publisher

5. Commercial Use of Noncommercial Software - Using educational or other commercial-use-restricted software

6. Counterfeiting - the duplication and sale of unauthorized copies of software in such a manner as to try to pass off the illegal copy as if it were a legitimate copy produced or authorized by the legal publisher

7. CD-R Piracy - the illegal copying of software using CD-R recording technology. This form of piracy occurs when a person obtains a copy of a software program and makes a copy or copies and re-distributes them to friends or for re-sale

8. Internet Piracy - the uploading of commercial software (i.e., software that is not freeware or public domain) on to the Internet for anyone to copy or copying commercial software from any of these services

9. Manufacturing Plant Sale of Overruns and 'Scraps' - Plant piracy occurs when the plant produces more copies of the software than it was authorized to make, and then resells these unauthorized overruns. Piracy also occurs when the plant is ordered by the publisher to destroy any CDs not distributed to its vendors, but the plant, in violation of these orders, resells those CDs that were intended to be scrapped.

10. Renting - Renting software for temporary use, like you would a movie

If you broke the copyright law of the software you can consider it as Piracy

the developers got paid the first time it was sold.

if it had been returned unopened, the developers wouldn't have recieved that money until you bought that copy.

basically, the developers are getting an advance on your money, and stores like gamestop are getting rich.

I don't disagree with buying used games, but I do disagree with gamestops policies and methods. should I feel like they're doing me a favor selling me a used copy of a game for $5 less than a new copy? I'd rather spend the $5 and give the developers another sale than to let gamestop make more than twice their money from one copy of a game. if it were actually a substantial discount, I'd understand. gamestop has to make a little bit of money from the deal, but they're raping people. even worse, they purposefully get a small amount of new games so that people will have to buy it used, which doesn't seem too bad for customers, but it totally screws developers and publishers.

the developers got paid the first time it was sold.

if it had been returned unopened, the developers wouldn't have recieved that money until you bought that copy.

basically, the developers are getting an advance on your money, and stores like gamestop are getting rich.

I don't disagree with buying used games, but I do disagree with gamestops policies and methods. should I feel like they're doing me a favor selling me a used copy of a game for $5 less than a new copy? I'd rather spend the $5 and give the developers another sale than to let gamestop make more than twice their money from one copy of a game. if it were actually a substantial discount, I'd understand. gamestop has to make a little bit of money from the deal, but they're raping people. even worse, they purposefully get a small amount of new games so that people will have to buy it used, which doesn't seem too bad for customers, but it totally screws developers and publishers.

somesthetic

So if you really feel like the developer/ publisher are getting cheated from used game sales buy it new, if you want to save a few bucks buy it used, if you want to save even more wait a few months and buy it when the price drops new/ used and the game is in the bargan bin, But dont steal the game by pirating it .... nobody wins!

From GTA LCS booklet P.21:

License Conditions: You agree not to ... (b)Distribute, lease, license, sell, rent or otherwise transfer or assign Software, or any copies of this Software, without the express prior written consent of LICENSOR...

I guess some firms want us to ask them for written permission in order to sell our game in the second hand market.

I am a little bit confused.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

[QUOTE="HandheldJunkie"]Of course not. It doesn't matter if it is used, the company that created the game got the money for that actual unit long before it was even bought. -F34R-

You could say the same thing about Googling a serial key for a program. The company got payed once, despite the fact they lost thousands of other potential sales.

In theory, buying a used game IS pirating. But developers don't seem to care.

That is the most absurd thing I've read this week lol. There isn't any theory about it, buying second hand games is in no way, shape, or form, pirating. I agree with you on the key/serial point. That is why a lot of developers started using online checks for registering their products. That way they can blacklist serials that are registered mutliple times. Please don't post that crap again about second hand games being "piracy" lol. It kinda makes me want to go over your 10,000 posts, and see how many other ignorant things you've said lol.

Wow...

Please stop spewing out words such as 'ignorant', when you have no clue what they mean.

His theory is correct. You're not pirating in the sense of straight-out-theft, but you are stealing a developer's POTENTIAL sales. Everytime you decide to buya used game (purchased at a retail store) because it's $2, $3, or $5 cheaper, all you're doing is maximizing the retail outlet's profits and leaving the developer in the dark.

Hence, in theory, it is piracy. Good try though.

Actually, buying used game is probably good for developers.
If someone buys a two or three year old game, there is a good chance that a sequel will be coming out soon. The consumer bought a good game for a cheap price and will be more likely to buy the sequel when it comes out. But in no way is buying a used game piracy. As to the guy who talked about serial keys, that in theory is multiplying the amount of copies used with the same money, unlike buying used games.

For the love of all that is Holy, people! What part of this do you not understand? EB and Gamestop are HUGE companies. Do you think the developers are ignorant of their existance? If there was anything questionable about the practice of buying and selling used games, would there be such a large corporation devoted to it?

I'll explain this slowly so some of you can understand...making copies of copyrighted material for redistribution is illegal. If you make a copy of a cd, game, or movie, you are breaking the law. There are "grey areas" where they do not prosecute. Such as making mix cds, or making back-up copies of software. But when you begin selling these COPIES, that's piracy. Once you purchase a game or cd, it is yours. What you do with it from that point is your business as long as you are not MAKING COPIES FOR DISTRIBUTION. Let's look at a few examples...

Example #1...if you had a yard sale,is it illegal to sell games, cds, or any other item for that matter to your friends or neighbors? You are TRANSFERRING PROPERTY.

Example #2...is it illegal to sell your car to a dealership and then have it resold to another consumer? NO. Should it be? It's the same thing as selling a game only much more money is being exchanged. The manufacturer of the car is potentially losing out on sales of more of their vehicles because someone bought a used car, but is that considered "piracy"? No. You are TRANSFERRING PROPERTY

Example #3...a farmer buys seeds and grows vegitables and fruit. Once the fruits and vegitables grow, he keeps some of the seeds from the harvest. He then sells the seeds to other farmers because he has more than enough for the next year's crop. The original provider of the seeds is missing out on a potential sale, but is that illegal? No. He is TRANSFERRING PROPERTY.

My point? This whole conversation is completely absurd. If you have a problem with buying and selling used games, then don't do it. Simple as that.

Wow...

Please stop spewing out words such as 'ignorant', when you have no clue what they mean.

His theory is correct. You're not pirating in the sense of straight-out-theft, but you are stealing a developer's POTENTIAL sales. Everytime you decide to buya used game (purchased at a retail store) because it's $2, $3, or $5 cheaper, all you're doing is maximizing the retail outlet's profits and leaving the developer in the dark.

Hence, in theory, it is piracy. Good try though.

BeErBOnG29

Wow indeed...how about YOU stop using terms YOU obviously don't know the definition of.

In addition to my previous rant, here is the definition of "piracy" as it pertains to copyright infringement as quoted from Wikipedia...

Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized use of material which is covered by copyright law, in a manner that violates one of the original copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works that build upon it. The slang term bootleg (derived from the use of the shank of a boot for the purposes of smuggling) is often used to describe illicitly copied material.Wikipedia

So quit using the term "piracy" as an argument when it has nothing to do with the transfer of legally produced second-hand games.

And by the way, his/her use of "ignorant" was correct. I suggest you check your definitions more carefully before you make an ignorant statement yourself...

ig·no·rant/ˈɪgnərənt/ -adjective

1.lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.

2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.

3.uninformed; unaware.

4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement. dictionary.com

Good try though...