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yea im wondering that too.. but you have to remember that the psn is still in development.. xbox live was nowhere near how it runs today the day it came out.. maby by the march launch things would get better
Patience young grasshoppa...Seriously. Like the fella before me stated. Give it time. Things are still new, and fresh. Not only is the system fresh off the company line, but so is the online service. As with all things, they need time to mature. Trust me...Things'll get added in there, as the game developers hand over their loot. ie; demos, and the like.. Just give it time.
when are they gonna give us some more demos? a friend in school told me that he got the new def jam icon demo for the 360 and was hoping if sony had gave us that demo. I check the PSS and there was not one new demo and was hoping when the heck are we gonna get any new demos?bigredman3000
ive said it before and im gonna say it again....get used to it. you get what you pay for.
[QUOTE="bigredman3000"]when are they gonna give us some more demos? a friend in school told me that he got the new def jam icon demo for the 360 and was hoping if sony had gave us that demo. I check the PSS and there was not one new demo and was hoping when the heck are we gonna get any new demos?menduco76
ive said it before and im gonna say it again....get used to it. you get what you pay for.
We paid $500+... We better get what we payed for by June at most.We paid $500+... We better get what we payed for by June at most.Ps2stonywhich is still a net loss to Sony. Meanwhile, their online network is free. XBL wasn't running as it does now when it first started and they were PAYING for it. I expect PSN to be very slow running for a while since it's the last of their worries right now.
Sony clearly said that they were selling the console with the game and the bluray and all , then, the network. Instead of something like microsoft, which sells the console, Xbox live and THEN the games and the HD-DVD drive...
1: i can download hugh demos in 5min, sometimes 15min but never longer.
2: i do have an xbox360 with xboxlive and no lag (no im not uploading or downloading when i go online)
3: i have 15games and play them online with no lag AT ALL
4: i have over 10 friends in my list that i play with allot and they also have great lagless online play.
5: maybe its only in your area or just usa, but in europe its not as crappy as you say.
6: guess i clearly do know what im talking about.
I dont have to have a 360 to relate what I've heard from people that DO have one. Also you have no idea who they were playing so to claim they were playing someone "on the other side of the world" shows YOU are the one who knows nothing about what they're talking about.
Alpha2
Nice logic. :)
1: i can download hugh demos in 5min, sometimes 15min but never longer.
2: i do have an xbox360 with xboxlive and no lag (no im not uploading or downloading when i go online)
3: i have 15games and play them online with no lag AT ALL
4: i have over 10 friends in my list that i play with allot and they also have great lagless online play.
5: maybe its only in your area or just usa, but in europe its not as crappy as you say.
6: guess i clearly do know what im talking about.
lostzoulz
1) It depends on what demos you're talking about. If you're talking about the mini/arcade demos, the PS3 can do that too in the exact same amount of time. Don't twist teh truth.
2) Of course you're not gonna have any lag with no background dling...silly.
3) I'm sure you do...I believe you, I do. I DID hav XBL, btw, and even with a DIRECT connection, I STILL had lag while playing Halo 2.
4) Friends that live near to you...? They're not on the other side of teh world...?
5) Why would Europe have crappy online play...! It makes no diff...!
6) Uhhh no you don't...
oh please, ofcourse some people will have problems but saying ms network sucks because some dude hears stuff at work and not even having xbl, zzzzzz.
And yes everything i stated before is true in my case so for me it doesnt suck. Witch means there are allot more out there with a nice ISP witch makes playing on xbl allot better. So sorry for everyone that doesnt have the smooth online play that you should have on xbl. But dont bash something with a comment like, well resistance fall of men has the smootest online play ever (not even gonna start about this one)
PSN had and did more out of the box than any online service in existence. It's not the best (yet) but it's certainly better at this point in time than any of its competitors were in the same length of time. 360 owners were patient, PS3 owners will have to be too.
As far as this lag issue goes, I have noticed less lag over PSN games than over any other online network. I'm not saying and was and will always be this way, but I have yet to see game with online play work as well as Resistance. Even the all-powerful Gears lags hard in 2v2 matches.
hey man ive got a 360 and experience what he said...my demos take about an hour to download on 360 and like 30 minutes at most on ps3...i also get a lot of lag when playing some games on 360 but ZERO on resistanceDude you have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly havent got a xbox360 with xbl so please stop making comments based on some co worker that has bad luck or tried to play someone on the other side of the world.
xbl is outstanding for online play
lostzoulz
PSN had and did more out of the box than any online service in existence. It's not the best (yet) but it's certainly better at this point in time than any of its competitors were in the same length of time. 360 owners were patient, PS3 owners will have to be too.
As far as this lag issue goes, I have noticed less lag over PSN games than over any other online network. I'm not saying and was and will always be this way, but I have yet to see game with online play work as well as Resistance. Even the all-powerful Gears lags hard in 2v2 matches.
shady_825
I try to keep out of these threads, honest, but I hate misinformation. While I am happy with my PS3, PSN is barely a network, and just baby steps pas where the PS2 was. Feature-wise (and I don't consider downloads a feature) PSN isn't even where Xbox Live was when it launched nearly four years ago, when voice chat in every game, seeing which friends were online in every online game or dashboard, and sending game invites were all standard from launch.
This whole background downloading thing is so trivial, it is not a feature important to multiplayer gaming. For networking I want to see what my frinds are doing if they are online at any time in any gameor at the dashboard. I want to be able to chat with someone any time without being in the same place. I want to send messages and invites from wherever I am, and receive them. I want voice chat in every game. These are features the 360 had at launch and PSN doesn't have.
The thing I'm worried about is whether Sony can ever add these features given their infrastructure. Microsoft made a big switch from the original Xbox by placing Live withing the operating system so at any time you can press the XBOX button and access all the features, and every game knows this happens. Currently on the PS3 all we can do is turn off the controller or PS3. Can this interface be expanded? Will older games be "fixed" if these features come? I guess I'm waiting to see.
[QUOTE="lostzoulz"]hey man ive got a 360 and experience what he said...my demos take about an hour to download on 360 and like 30 minutes at most on ps3...i also get a lot of lag when playing some games on 360 but ZERO on resistanceDude you have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly havent got a xbox360 with xbl so please stop making comments based on some co worker that has bad luck or tried to play someone on the other side of the world.
xbl is outstanding for online play
Miguel16
Def Jam Icon demo sux. Its not even fun at all. ~.~Â And PSN's demo can last me hours. GTHD roxs. XDgod_of_shawn
WOW. That's absurd.
[QUOTE="lostzoulz"]hey man ive got a 360 and experience what he said...my demos take about an hour to download on 360 and like 30 minutes at most on ps3...i also get a lot of lag when playing some games on 360 but ZERO on resistanceDude you have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly havent got a xbox360 with xbl so please stop making comments based on some co worker that has bad luck or tried to play someone on the other side of the world.
xbl is outstanding for online play
Miguel16
[QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="lostzoulz"]hey man ive got a 360 and experience what he said...my demos take about an hour to download on 360 and like 30 minutes at most on ps3...i also get a lot of lag when playing some games on 360 but ZERO on resistanceDude you have no idea what you are talking about. You clearly havent got a xbox360 with xbl so please stop making comments based on some co worker that has bad luck or tried to play someone on the other side of the world.
xbl is outstanding for online play
RabbidDawg
I try to keep out of these threads, honest, but I hate misinformation. While I am happy with my PS3, PSN is barely a network, and just baby steps pas where the PS2 was. Feature-wise (and I don't consider downloads a feature) PSN isn't even where Xbox Live was when it launched nearly four years ago, when voice chat in every game, seeing which friends were online in every online game or dashboard, and sending game invites were all standard from launch.The key words are "out-of-the-box". Live is better now, and Live on 360 is a lot better, but out of the box, PSN does/did more. Four years ago, when XBL began, it was nowhere near what it is now. PSN, which began about three months ago, is far beyond where XBL was in four months.This whole background downloading thing is so trivial, it is not a feature important to multiplayer gaming. For networking I want to see what my frinds are doing if they are online at any time in any gameor at the dashboard. I want to be able to chat with someone any time without being in the same place. I want to send messages and invites from wherever I am, and receive them. I want voice chat in every game. These are features the 360 had at launch and PSN doesn't have.
The thing I'm worried about is whether Sony can ever add these features given their infrastructure. Microsoft made a big switch from the original Xbox by placing Live withing the operating system so at any time you can press the XBOX button and access all the features, and every game knows this happens. Currently on the PS3 all we can do is turn off the controller or PS3. Can this interface be expanded? Will older games be "fixed" if these features come? I guess I'm waiting to see.
clubside
Amen brother......Playstation network will get better and better and XBL will keep getting more expensive. And by the way Sony's next update will allow you to download in the background so you can do other things while you wait.timster118
And how do you know that? You got a link?
It's fun-- no actually its' actually SAD how people think paying for demos is somehow going to make the download speeds faster. If sony were serious about their online set up being free dont you think they would have servers set up to handel the information load? The speed issue has nothing to do with money, Sony has plenty of it and they can put as many servers on the case as they want. Paying isn't going to magically fix the problem.woooh buddy 2 hours for the crackdown demo? thats a lil hard to believe.... it only took me 30 minutes
You know I've hears people say they downlaoded some demos in under and hour while I heard that the crackdown demo for 360 took roughly 2 hours to download from several coworkers. Also many time I've hear d them talk about how horribly their game play experiance was do to lag and slow server reaction yet I've heard next to NO complaints about Online play in resistance. Infact all that's ever been said is that it's some of the smoothest online gameplay anyone has ever experienced. So my question is what is MS's excuse when their network sucks? Are you getting what you pay for where THEIR service has an off day? Every server related infrastructure has it's issues even the ones you pay for, Try playing a MMORPG for a year and see how much down time you experience for you 15 bucks a month and you'll see what I'm saying.
Alpha2
[QUOTE="clubside"] I try to keep out of these threads, honest, but I hate misinformation. While I am happy with my PS3, PSN is barely a network, and just baby steps pas where the PS2 was. Feature-wise (and I don't consider downloads a feature) PSN isn't even where Xbox Live was when it launched nearly four years ago, when voice chat in every game, seeing which friends were online in every online game or dashboard, and sending game invites were all standard from launch.The key words are "out-of-the-box". Live is better now, and Live on 360 is a lot better, but out of the box, PSN does/did more. Four years ago, when XBL began, it was nowhere near what it is now. PSN, which began about three months ago, is far beyond where XBL was in four months. yea and where is sony getting there ideas from.....i wonder        dude whate year are we in 2007 right? and what year did XBL launch? around 2002 how long ago was that? and how far in technology have we advanced since then.....obviously the ps3 online is better then what XBL was when it came out becouse of technology so stop using that as an exuseThis whole background downloading thing is so trivial, it is not a feature important to multiplayer gaming. For networking I want to see what my frinds are doing if they are online at any time in any gameor at the dashboard. I want to be able to chat with someone any time without being in the same place. I want to send messages and invites from wherever I am, and receive them. I want voice chat in every game. These are features the 360 had at launch and PSN doesn't have.
The thing I'm worried about is whether Sony can ever add these features given their infrastructure. Microsoft made a big switch from the original Xbox by placing Live withing the operating system so at any time you can press the XBOX button and access all the features, and every game knows this happens. Currently on the PS3 all we can do is turn off the controller or PS3. Can this interface be expanded? Will older games be "fixed" if these features come? I guess I'm waiting to see.
shady_825
It's fun-- no actually its' actually SAD how people think paying for demos is somehow going to make the download speeds faster. If sony were serious about their online set up being free dont you think they would have servers set up to handel the information load? The speed issue has nothing to do with money, Sony has plenty of it and they can put as many servers on the case as they want. Paying isn't going to magically fix the problem.
You know I've hears people say they downlaoded some demos in under and hour while I heard that the crackdown demo for 360 took roughly 2 hours to download from several coworkers. Also many time I've hear d them talk about how horribly their game play experiance was do to lag and slow server reaction yet I've heard next to NO complaints about Online play in resistance. Infact all that's ever been said is that it's some of the smoothest online gameplay anyone has ever experienced. So my question is what is MS's excuse when their network sucks? Are you getting what you pay for where THEIR service has an off day? Every server related infrastructure has it's issues even the ones you pay for, Try playing a MMORPG for a year and see how much down time you experience for you 15 bucks a month and you'll see what I'm saying.
Alpha2
my cousins rainbow six vegas demo took 3 hours just to reach 30% and it wouldnt let him play games while downloading for some reason
yea thats wht im saying..on live u get wht u PAY for..man sony needs to start charging...to make there online better lil50centi don't mind spending 50 liek on live in order to make the service better.
[QUOTE="clubside"] I try to keep out of these threads, honest, but I hate misinformation. While I am happy with my PS3, PSN is barely a network, and just baby steps pas where the PS2 was. Feature-wise (and I don't consider downloads a feature) PSN isn't even where Xbox Live was when it launched nearly four years ago, when voice chat in every game, seeing which friends were online in every online game or dashboard, and sending game invites were all standard from launch.The key words are "out-of-the-box". Live is better now, and Live on 360 is a lot better, but out of the box, PSN does/did more. Four years ago, when XBL began, it was nowhere near what it is now. PSN, which began about three months ago, is far beyond where XBL was in four months.This whole background downloading thing is so trivial, it is not a feature important to multiplayer gaming. For networking I want to see what my frinds are doing if they are online at any time in any gameor at the dashboard. I want to be able to chat with someone any time without being in the same place. I want to send messages and invites from wherever I am, and receive them. I want voice chat in every game. These are features the 360 had at launch and PSN doesn't have.
The thing I'm worried about is whether Sony can ever add these features given their infrastructure. Microsoft made a big switch from the original Xbox by placing Live withing the operating system so at any time you can press the XBOX button and access all the features, and every game knows this happens. Currently on the PS3 all we can do is turn off the controller or PS3. Can this interface be expanded? Will older games be "fixed" if these features come? I guess I'm waiting to see.
shady_825
I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems, so I'll try to be more direct.
When XBL launched, it had a common friends list, invites and notifications from any online game, and voice chat in every game. These three features aren't on PSN today, yet are the heart of online multiplayer.
Okay, so XBL on the Xbox wasn't "out-of-the-box" you say? Let's move on the 360's "out-of-the-box" features not on PSN: common friends list, invites and notifications from any game whether it supported multiplayer or not, voice chat in every game, messaging from any game with voice recording option, downloadable customizations for the dashboard, voice conferencing regardless of where the two users were, friends and recent player browsers including achivements and games owned, and a game with online co-op. Most every online feature listed here is avalable at the press of one button no matter wht you are doing.
Once again, I hope for improvements to PSN games. I like dedicated servers (though I also like the option of hosting my own). My time online with PSN has been limited because Full Auto 2 doesn't support voice and while Resistence can be fun, I just have more options on my 360. Given Sony's continued reliance on third parties to "cook their own" we're more than likely to get more games with unique friends lists (like Resistence), even more games that don't support voice, and never get the sort of "I wonder what my friends are doing, I just hit this one button, there you go!" online experience of XBL.
Take your own advice dude. you're bashing the PSN based on nothing but a couple of people's displeasure with a few demos.oh please, ofcourse some people will have problems but saying ms network sucks because some dude hears stuff at work and not even having xbl, zzzzzz.
And yes everything i stated before is true in my case so for me it doesnt suck. Witch means there are allot more out there with a nice ISP witch makes playing on xbl allot better. So sorry for everyone that doesnt have the smooth online play that you should have on xbl. But dont bash something with a comment like, well resistance fall of men has the smootest online play ever (not even gonna start about this one)
lostzoulz
When XBL launched, it had a common friends list, invites and notifications from any online game, and voice chat in every game. These three features aren't on PSN today, yet are the heart of online multiplayer.
I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems, so I'll try to be more direct.When XBL launched, it had a common friends list, invites and notifications from any online game, and voice chat in every game. These three features aren't on PSN today, yet are the heart of online multiplayer.
Okay, so XBL on the Xbox wasn't "out-of-the-box" you say? Let's move on the 360's "out-of-the-box" features not on PSN: common friends list, invites and notifications from any game whether it supported multiplayer or not, voice chat in every game, messaging from any game with voice recording option, downloadable customizations for the dashboard, voice conferencing regardless of where the two users were, friends and recent player browsers including achivements and games owned, and a game with online co-op. Most every online feature listed here is avalable at the press of one button no matter wht you are doing.
Once again, I hope for improvements to PSN games. I like dedicated servers (though I also like the option of hosting my own). My time online with PSN has been limited because Full Auto 2 doesn't support voice and while Resistence can be fun, I just have more options on my 360. Given Sony's continued reliance on third parties to "cook their own" we're more than likely to get more games with unique friends lists (like Resistence), even more games that don't support voice, and never get the sort of "I wonder what my friends are doing, I just hit this one button, there you go!" online experience of XBL.clubside
First point of interest: I planned to keep this discussion on a mature level and not insult anyone just because they disgareed with me. I think everyone should take that into consideration.
Moving along, I was referring to out of the box features because PSN was new just as XBL was. It IS comparable to XBL on the original Xbox, but not to XBL on the 360 because when 360 was released, the service was already available.
It's also worth mentioning that not every game on XBL had voice chat. I recommend you read Alpha 2's post.
Actually Live was pretty similar on day one to it's present condition, at least with regard to demos. And It had a lot more demos than PSN has now when it first launched. They came out with greater frequency too.yea im wondering that too.. but you have to remember that the psn is still in development.. xbox live was nowhere near how it runs today the day it came out.. maby by the march launch things would get better
sinabun12si
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