Do you actually play PS2 games on your PS3?
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Here, I'll ask you a very simple question (well, should be simple if you have basic reading comprehension skills). I'll even format it to a joke. Q: "Why would I buy the download copy when I already have it on disk?" A: Because they (Sony in this case) couldn't be bothered with letting me play it from my disk in the first place. The PSOne classics available for download may be emulated, but since I can't just stick the same game disc in the ps3 and play it, it doesn't count.This is complete rhetoric. I can honestly say that the accusations you are making are false. Hint: The PS2 and PS1 games you download on PSN. psst.. they are emulated.
PhysicsLCP
And do you happen to know how many are on said team? For all we know, the "software emulation team" is just one guy basically hopping between habits of Ritalin in the morning, energy drinks in the afternoon and ecstasy in the middle of the night. And given the relative lack of resolved issues with firmware updates recently, one has to begin to wonder if they're going to bother continue supporting this feature at all, instead of simply nuking it altogether. The software BC microsoft took with the 360 was understandable, because they'd blundered the hardware IP licenses for the Xbox 1 hardware to intel and NVIDIA, respectively. Sony owns all the IP on every generation of PlayStation; and you can't tell me that it would cost $100/chip to mass-manufacture a nearly ten-year-old processor now (the PS2 EE+GS). That is just ludicrous thinking; not even intel would charge that much... hell, they'd probably give away any ten-year-old CPU's they're sitting on in pallets to you if you'd so wanted them. :lol:Another thing, do you work for Sony? probably not. You know they have a team dedicated to software emulation right?
PhysicsLCP
[QUOTE="PhysicsLCP"]Here, I'll ask you a very simple question (well, should be simple if you have basic reading comprehension skills). I'll even format it to a joke. Q: "Why would I buy the download copy when I already have it on disk?" A: Because they (Sony in this case) couldn't be bothered with letting me play it from my disk in the first place. The PSOne classics available for download may be emulated, but since I can't just stick the same game disc in the ps3 and play it, it doesn't count.This is complete rhetoric. I can honestly say that the accusations you are making are false. Hint: The PS2 and PS1 games you download on PSN. psst.. they are emulated.
codezer0
And do you happen to know how many are on said team? For all we know, the "software emulation team" is just one guy basically hopping between habits of Ritalin in the morning, energy drinks in the afternoon and ecstasy in the middle of the night. And given the relative lack of resolved issues with firmware updates recently, one has to begin to wonder if they're going to bother continue supporting this feature at all, instead of simply nuking it altogether. The software BC microsoft took with the 360 was understandable, because they'd blundered the hardware IP licenses for the Xbox 1 hardware to intel and NVIDIA, respectively. Sony owns all the IP on every generation of PlayStation; and you can't tell me that it would cost $100/chip to mass-manufacture a nearly ten-year-old processor now (the PS2 EE+GS). That is just ludicrous thinking; not even intel would charge that much... hell, they'd probably give away any ten-year-old CPU's they're sitting on in pallets to you if you'd so wanted them. :lol:Another thing, do you work for Sony? probably not. You know they have a team dedicated to software emulation right?
PhysicsLCP
I'm sure the emulation team would love to hear your comments about them. And yes, it's a team.
Here's my user page. Let's take this to my blog. And, if I came off as insulting, I do apologize.
http://www.gamespot.com/users/PhysicsLCP/
[QUOTE="nyc05"]No, I don't have to look at it from Sony's perspective. I don't have to look at it from any perspective but my own. $600 for a console is simply too expensive, and that's the end of it. And if Sony had bothered look back in history, it's pretty clear. EVERY console - without exception - that launched for a price tag of greater than $400 USD, was a unanimous flop in the market. No matter how well marketed it was, no matter how many great games it had, it would flop, and flop hard. I personally was expecting and waiting for Sony to finally drop the 60GB's around $400, because I knew it had a lot of great features, but wasn't going to pay $600 for it. And instead of bringing a perfectly great console for that price bracket, they neuter the thing. And this is Sony we're talking about here. Who purposely made the PS1 overheat because their engineers forgot the fundamental issue of ventilation for cooling their electronics. Only to then remove airflow altogether with the slim PSOne. Then they made the PS2 with unanimously the weakest drive optics ever so people were plagued with consoles that would self destruct or get the dreaded "Cannot read disc" error conveniently the day after the Sony warranty ends. I'm willing to bet that that was the whole ploy... get people to buy, build up a library, then when it tanks, make them buy another. Yea, Sony says they've sold 100+ million PS2's, but how many of those are in a landfill now because of these problems? Then they made the slim PStwo, which exhibited what many would call random laser fry syndrome, because Sony skimped on the VRM's needed to keep current through the disc drives stable. Every single time, soon as I built up a respectable library of playstation games, the unit would start chewing my disks and then kill itself. And Sony left me no recourse for the games they ruined nor the system, warranty or no warranty. But what else could I do? I wasn't about to stop playing the games I did still have left... so I had to buy another one. Out of my own pocket. I want... no. I need to be able to play my older games on the PS3 in order to actually have a "PlayStation experience" worth talking about. Sony removing BC from the PS3 is akin to taking a champion breeder dog to a vet to spay/neuter it. You do that to someone's dog and they're liable to sue you for exhorbitant amounts of money. Sure, it may be the same dog at the end of the day and it may be as friendly and loyal as before, but its summary worth is now gone because YOU NEUTERED IT! Using the same analogy, Sony's new 40GB and the upcoming "80GB Core" pack are useless because they neutered it (removed BC). Yes it may still play PS3 games fine, it may still play bluray's fine, and it may actually be a reliable console to give you 10+ years of service. But it's officially useless because SONY NEUTERED IT.I agree that it sucks that new PS3 SKUs don't have BC, but you have to look at it from Sony's perspective. They put out a system that did it all; play PS3 games, PS2 games, PS1 games, Blu-ray movies, DVD movies, audio CDs, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, built-in web browser, free online play, and so many other things, and all they heard is that it was too expensive.
Sony, in order to really get mass market penetration, had to cut cost. How to you cut cost? Remove certain features. To me, BC was the obvious choice because it doesn't take away from the PS3 gaming experience if removed. They didn't remove anything that would compromise how you play PS3 games, which is the whole point of the PS3.
codezer0
I respect your opinion, but we obviously look at things differently. So, in the interest of not getting into the largest quote tree and rant in history, we'll agree to disagree.
Fair 'nuff, but I do have to get ready for work now. The point I was trying to get across is that at the moment, not even their best softBC can compare to having the hardwareBC, and considering that it should be relatively cheap to add in all the chips needed for full hardware BC in the first place, I find it insane on the part of Sony that they would remove such a feature, especially when (for the time being), it's the single most frequently used feature on my ps3 purchase. Not the BluRay (my HD movies are on HD-DVD currently); not t3h C3ll, not Linux (yet). The one redeeming feature keeping it from collecting dust and getting regular use is the very feature they saw fit to behead from the models they'd released since launch.I'm sure the emulation team would love to hear your comments about them. And yes, it's a team.
Here's my user page. Let's take this to my blog. And, if I came off as insulting, I do apologize.
http://www.gamespot.com/users/PhysicsLCP/
PhysicsLCP
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