Do you think Naughty Dog couldve done Killzone 2 better than GG??

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#1 slvrraven9
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in light of UNcharted 2s release, id have to say yes. if they made uncharted 2 look the way it did with more color and a bigger scale, i think with a more KZ2-ish effect, ND i think wouldve made it a better game. theve proved that theyre definatly masters of storytelling and action. MAN, KZ2 done like UC2 in the action department wouldve been like, ZOMG!!!!

UC2 has a more cinematic feel than KZ2 to me, making it a better overallgame

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#2 Fredrick2003x
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Uncharted and Uncharted 2 were far better than Killzone and Killzone 2.

At least Unchrated had colors besides brown and black.

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#3 get-ka12
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No, Naughty Dog is good, but relies on fast differentiation too much. Guerrila did Killzone well, due to the oppressive atmosphere and the pounding action. They are both awesome companies for different reasons, but I would not want to see Naughty Dog do Killzone. Guerrilla is better suited for that.
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#4 Fredrick2003x
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[QUOTE="get-ka12"]No, Naughty Dog is good, but relies on fast differentiation too much. Guerrila did Killzone well, due to the oppressive atmosphere and the pounding action. They are both awesome companies for different reasons, but I would not want to see Naughty Dog do Killzone. Guerrilla is better suited for that.

Agreed, a game series should stick with the people who created it. I hate series swapping, gets on my nerves more than anything else. "Hi I'm some dude I don't know what this is but my team and I have been contracted to do a sequel XD!"
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#5 slvrraven9
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No, Naughty Dog is good, but relies on fast differentiation too much. Guerrila did Killzone well, due to the oppressive atmosphere and the pounding action. They are both awesome companies for different reasons, but I would not want to see Naughty Dog do Killzone. Guerrilla is better suited for that.get-ka12
you dont think ND wouldve been capable of pulling off KZ2 better than GG? true theyre both very different games but the level of detail done in both, UC2 just has more. i think they couldve pulled off the KZ2 atmostphere pretty well if you ask me. but i see what you mean though with the contrasts between the 2...
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#6 get-ka12
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[QUOTE="get-ka12"]No, Naughty Dog is good, but relies on fast differentiation too much. Guerrila did Killzone well, due to the oppressive atmosphere and the pounding action. They are both awesome companies for different reasons, but I would not want to see Naughty Dog do Killzone. Guerrilla is better suited for that.Fredrick2003x
Agreed, a game series should stick with the people who created it. I hate series swapping, gets on my nerves more than anything else. "Hi I'm some dude I don't know what this is but my team and I have been contracted to do a sequel XD!"

Occassionally it works, like Capcom - Flagship has done Zelda Minish cap and it actually turned out good, but I don't want to see it happen to Killzone or Uncharted.

That's like a band being given to new members, or when other authors write books in a certain series.

Jak and Daxter 1 is one of my favorite games of all time, Naughty Dog is good at what it does and Guerilla is good at what they do, they should stick with their strengths.

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#7 kane1511
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No I don't think ND would have done a better job of KZ2 as ND has never had experience with 1st person shooters and most of there games have been more bright, colourful and comicy rather than the darkness of KZ.

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#8 get-ka12
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No I don't think ND would have done a better job of KZ2 as ND has never had experience with 1st person shooters and most of there games have been more bright, colourful and comicy rather than the darkness of KZ.

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#9 Sandallman
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yes. and bethesda could of done Haze better. seriously, what the hell?
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#10 YoJim8obaJoe
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I doubt Uncharted 2 would be as pretty as it is if it was 32 players online like KZ2 :)

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#11 Solid_Tango
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I dont know but i think they could make Killzone 3 with over the shoulder cam a la gears and make it awesome, thats for sure
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in light of UNcharted 2s release, id have to say yes. if they made uncharted 2 look the way it did with more color and a bigger scale, i think with a more KZ2-ish effect, ND i think wouldve made it a better game. theve proved that theyre definatly masters of storytelling and action. MAN, KZ2 done like UC2 in the action department wouldve been like, ZOMG!!!!

UC2 has a more cinematic feel than KZ2 to me, making it a better overallgame

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Considering GG took alot of advice & help from first parties like Insomniac & Naughty Dog. Yes. Killzone 2 maybe could've had some better result with Guerilla Games working alongside ND & Insomniac. Cause as we know Killzone 2 was great but it had alot of flaws. ALOT
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#13 YoJim8obaJoe
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

in light of UNcharted 2s release, id have to say yes. if they made uncharted 2 look the way it did with more color and a bigger scale, i think with a more KZ2-ish effect, ND i think wouldve made it a better game. theve proved that theyre definatly masters of storytelling and action. MAN, KZ2 done like UC2 in the action department wouldve been like, ZOMG!!!!

UC2 has a more cinematic feel than KZ2 to me, making it a better overallgame

CleanNJerk

Considering GG took alot of advice & help from first parties like Insomniac & Naughty Dog. Yes. Killzone 2 maybe could've had some better result with Guerilla Games working alongside ND & Insomniac. Cause as we know Killzone 2 was great but it had alot of flaws. ALOT

same can be said for naughty dog,just watch the credits for uncharted 1,it lists GG there

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#14 San_09
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This is the same logic as saying some company like Nintendo making >Insert game here

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#15 brittoss
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When it comes down to it I wish that Guerrilla hired someone like Joss Whedon as a consultant, as that would have made Killzone 2 better. Not because he is a great screen writer(I find him to be hit and miss) but because he kills off characters in his series. That way Rico can be killed off and the game would be better without his presence. I cant stand Rico!!!

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#16 nightshade869
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K2 with better story telling = epic, but the right people are working on the right games. If ND wanted to make a game like K2 they would, Uncharted and Killzone are nothing alike
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#17 randino84
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[QUOTE="kane1511"]

No I don't think ND would have done a better job of KZ2 as ND has never had experience with 1st person shooters and most of there games have been more bright, colourful and comicy rather than the darkness of KZ.

get-ka12

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Although i agree with you two i cant say that this logic is 100% correct because if you think about it Insomniac is known for its bright comical games as well but they did an ok job with the Resistance games.
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#18 Tommy8930
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Killzone 2 and uncharted 2 look awsome

but killzone 2 experince was amazing iam getting my ps3 thurs with it killzone 2! too me call of duty got booted in the behind by it

halo looks like preschool compared to killzone 2

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#19 spyroiskool
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The only bad thing about killzone was that there was a .2 second delay when you were turning. Stuff like that happens when you create your own engine. No, they couldn't.

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they are totaly different in many things and they have different appraoches on their game. I'd would have been cheesy if ND made KZ games.
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#21 WR_Platinum
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I disagree, ND has done a tremendous job with UC2, but KZ2 is much different that maybe ND could pull off, but would give that UC feel to KZ. Why? well KZ2 is sopposed to have that dark atmsphere, that is why there is little color compared to UC2, which has a more lively colors.

Besides the graphics, they are both different in gameplay, KZ is soppose to be a bit slower with intense 32 player battles, Uncharted is more fast paced, but can't really go rambo either, plus a smaller number of people.

Overall its better to have these two franchises with ther respective developers, no need to mix em up.

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#22 RadecSupreme
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Not really, Uncharted 2 is one of the best games this year but GG specialize in First person shooters which is a realm that ND has never gone into. GG could make Killzone 3 an awesome game and Killzone 2 was fantastic.

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#24 get-ka12
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I disagree, ND has done a tremendous job with UC2, but KZ2 is much different that maybe ND could pull off, but would give that UC feel to KZ. Why? well KZ2 is sopposed to have that dark atmsphere, that is why there is little color compared to UC2, which has a more lively colors.

Besides the graphics, they are both different in gameplay, KZ is soppose to be a bit slower with intense 32 player battles, Uncharted is more fast paced, but can't really go rambo either, plus a smaller number of people.

Overall its better to have these two franchises with ther respective developers, no need to mix em up.

WR_Platinum

Agreed.

I don't want a goofy feel in Killzone.

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#25 jbc7343
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[QUOTE="kane1511"]

No I don't think ND would have done a better job of KZ2 as ND has never had experience with 1st person shooters and most of there games have been more bright, colourful and comicy rather than the darkness of KZ.

get-ka12

This man summed it up perfectly.

Actually I disagree with both of you. NaughtyDog is leagues better than GG. Just because they add more color to their games does not mean that they can't make a serious game with "serious colors" (as you guys put it). I think you guys don't know who you are talking about. Amy Henning is like ND's creative director or some mess. You should google her. You'll find she the most awesome coder. She was a Director at Crystal Dynamics and helped make the Legacy of Kain series. She directed those games and directed Uncharted. You should wiki her.

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#26 Ospov
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Because one developer makes a good game in one genre doesn't mean they'll be good at making games in another genre (FPS vs TPS). GG and ND both did a very good job of making their games. Both developers are very good, but KZ2 wouldn't be what it is now if ND made it and UC2 wouldn't be the same if GG made it.

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#27 KzJoe
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Don't think so, Naughty Dawg are better at making colourful games and anyway I haven't seen any fps from Naughty Dog before.

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#28 deactivated-59506133570df
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Single Player: Yes

I think GG did just fine with the online, it's one of my favorite online games.

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they are totaly different in many things and they have different appraoches on their game. I'd would have been cheesy if ND made KZ games._Ben99_
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[QUOTE="Fredrick2003x"][QUOTE="get-ka12"]No, Naughty Dog is good, but relies on fast differentiation too much. Guerrila did Killzone well, due to the oppressive atmosphere and the pounding action. They are both awesome companies for different reasons, but I would not want to see Naughty Dog do Killzone. Guerrilla is better suited for that.get-ka12

Agreed, a game series should stick with the people who created it. I hate series swapping, gets on my nerves more than anything else. "Hi I'm some dude I don't know what this is but my team and I have been contracted to do a sequel XD!"

Occassionally it works, like Capcom - Flagship has done Zelda Minish cap and it actually turned out good, but I don't want to see it happen to Killzone or Uncharted.

That's like a band being given to new members, or when other authors write books in a certain series.

Jak and Daxter 1 is one of my favorite games of all time, Naughty Dog is good at what it does and Guerilla is good at what they do, they should stick with their strengths.

Lol, how does that have anything to do with the rest of your post?

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#31 blazinpuertoroc
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no, GG did a great job. ND doesnt make FPS. They would have flopped.

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#32 NicolasBai
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

in light of UNcharted 2s release, id have to say yes. if they made uncharted 2 look the way it did with more color and a bigger scale, i think with a more KZ2-ish effect, ND i think wouldve made it a better game. theve proved that theyre definatly masters of storytelling and action. MAN, KZ2 done like UC2 in the action department wouldve been like, ZOMG!!!!

UC2 has a more cinematic feel than KZ2 to me, making it a better overallgame

Visual maybe better. But can't say shooting mechanics can be better. If you treat U2 as a TPS, it's not the best one. At least not better than GeOW.
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#33 gamerlifegrace
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They are two totally different games, so they wouldnt be able to do each other's job better than the other one. The question should be, "do you think that Killzone 2 couldve done Gears of War better than MS." And the answer to that would be yes.

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#34 thelastguy
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I think they could have, easily