Folding@Home, Y do it?(beside helping curing cancer)

I understand it "helps" cure cancer, and thats great. But how come so many people are going to do it for lots of hour. Wouldnt it affect your PS3 if you kepts it on for a long time, like eventually burn out. i rather not install it and keep my PS3 new as possible, but if you wanted to help cure cancer thats great.(it shows that you rather help cure cancer than take care of your ps3, and thats great)

If you actually believe that a gaming console or PC is capable of finding a cure for cancer then go ahead.

Personally, I believe that the world's scientists should kick it into high gear instead of trying to figure out how to grow seedless strawberries or preserve wilidlife animals, but then again, that's just my opinion; my PS3 won't be "Folding @ Home". 

I understand it "helps" cure cancer, and thats great. But how come so many people are going to do it for lots of hour. Wouldnt it affect your PS3 if you kepts it on for a long time, like eventually burn out. i rather not install it and keep my PS3 new as possible, but if you wanted to help cure cancer thats great.(it shows that you rather help cure cancer than take care of your ps3, and thats great)

shokeyz

dude! taht why u get a WARRANTY!!! for 3 years

If you actually believe that a gaming console or PC is capable of finding a cure for cancer then go ahead.

Deyee

Nobody is forcing anybody to participate. Why all the negativity?liquid_sleep

Just the idea of the pipedream phenomenon.

Giving $12 a month to some fund that helps children in third world countries when we have plenty of children in the U.S. that could use that. 

Angelina Jolie going to Korea and Africa to adopt babies and getting an absolute crap load of press about it when there are  plenty of orphans in the U.S.

Actually participating in Folding@Home when the American Cancer Society and World's Sceintists aren't going to find a way to Cure cancer in the first place. Think about it, what's the last disease the human race has cured? 

Think about it, what's the last disease the human race has cured? Deyee

Im doing it for a good cause and also im doing it for a competition.  So far I have 2.5 units done.  Also you get a one year warranty so I hope my PS3 fries itself so I can get a new one.  The PS3 so far is like a tank because it has stayed at a constant cool temperature. I've already left my PS3 on for 24 hours.mikeslemonade

i have 3 units, and 6000 points, and yes! the ps3 it never gets hot!! its amazing! 

[QUOTE="Deyee"] Think about it, what's the last disease the human race has cured? nosferatu

Yes, it was cured in 1796. Being as how it's 2007 you'd think that we'd have knocked a few more out of the park, don't ya think?

You can keep talking like you're a caring medical student and I'm just an ignorant PS3 owner. We can talk professions and world travels at a later date.

[QUOTE="nosferatu"][QUOTE="Deyee"] Think about it, what's the last disease the human race has cured? Deyee

Yes, it was cured in 1796. Being as how it's 2007 you'd think that we'd have knocked a few more out of the park, don't ya think?

You can keep talking like you're a caring medical student and I'm just an ignorant PS3 owner. We can talk professions and world travels at a later date.

How nice.  Someone who dislikes medical research for cancer.  Pleasant thing you are, aren't you?

How nice. Someone who dislikes medical research for cancer. Pleasant thing you are, aren't you?UntoldDreams

Oh, Sorry I didn't buy into the pipedream that we'll someday find a chink in many diseases armor with a program that's been running on about 2 million PCs since the year 2000, but now since we have the PS3 I'm sure we'll make some progress.

I don't dislike medical research at all. I'm just in touch with this thing called reality.

Oh, and while you're over there playing "What an A-hole", I invite you to UC Davis Medical Center to voulenteer with me next February as I actually DO something to help there. 

If you actually believe that a gaming console or PC is capable of finding a cure for cancer then go ahead.

 

Personally, I believe that the world's scientists should kick it into high gear instead of trying to figure out how to grow seedless strawberries or preserve wilidlife animals, but then again, that's just my opinion; my PS3 won't be "Folding @ Home".

Deyee

do you even know what folding at home does?

http://folding.stanford.edu/results.html

no disease cures in a while huh, I guess that means we're due.

[QUOTE="UntoldDreams"]How nice. Someone who dislikes medical research for cancer. Pleasant thing you are, aren't you?Deyee

Oh, Sorry I didn't buy into the pipedream that we'll someday find a chink in many diseases armor with a program that's been running on about 2 million PCs since the year 2000, but now since we have the PS3 I'm sure we'll make some progress.

I don't dislike medical research at all. I'm just in touch with this thing called reality.

Reality?  What is your reality?  The reality is that someone will win the lotto ticket.  The chances are tiny but someone will win.

Not arguing that point are you? 

Again... Reality?  Reality is based on your perception and not anyone else's definition and you are the one arrogantly proclaiming others are wrong.

Let me give you one thing to take home buddy:

*** Your reality isn't that important to me or anyone else.   You say folding is useless good for you. 

Please leave the thread now. Stanford thinks its worthwhile.

Frankly trying to convince someone that medical research, by definition a gamble, MIGHT be useful in finding cures is ludicrous.

The PS3 has officially surpassed the PC's in total output in ONE DAY.   You don't care right?  Okay please leave the PS3 forum threads and go be happy playing games or whatever the heck you do (hopefully not a paid shill).

[QUOTE="UntoldDreams"]How nice. Someone who dislikes medical research for cancer. Pleasant thing you are, aren't you?Deyee

Oh, Sorry I didn't buy into the pipedream that we'll someday find a chink in many diseases armor with a program that's been running on about 2 million PCs since the year 2000, but now since we have the PS3 I'm sure we'll make some progress.

I don't dislike medical research at all. I'm just in touch with this thing called reality.

Oh, and while you're over there playing "What an A-hole", I invite you to UC Davis Medical Center to voulenteer with me next February as I actually DO something to help there.

HAHAHAHA... For someone proclaiming to be altruistic you are quite the piece of work aren't you?
What are you saying now?  You are *more altruistic and holier than thou* ?

Are you really being so spiteful?  If I found a more altruistic cause will you forget UC Davis and join me rescusing victims from a burning building? 

I donate my extra time working in a battered women's shelter in San Jose and I'm okay with that.

I could do more, I could do less.   I dunno what your deal is but it has nothing to do with altruism that's for certain.

Otherwise you wouldn't be on Gamespot telling high schoolers to give up trying to do something NICE and donate to Stanford.

My friend its not just to help cure cancer, but to show the raw power that the PS3 handles, what I mean by that is show that the ps3 rivals that of a dual core computer and surpasses it because of the Cell broadband engine.  that way people can stay shut about how the Playstation 3 is weak because of their ignorance and arrogance.

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PSN ID: Mobius_124

Oh, it's easily put into perspective.

Take your electric bill by itself.

Then take your electric bill with your PS3 running 24 hours a day for a month.

Now, take the difference in money and actually donate it to cancer research.

It's really just that simple, but like I said earlier; if you believe the pipedream feel free to partake.

www.cancer.org/docroot/DON/DON_0.asp

That's odd, nowhere on that website does it say anything of F@H. Hmmm....

www.cancer.org/docroot/par/par_0.asp

Nowhere on that one either. 

ps3 won't get overheated that's why sony installed this program on ps3s. I'll do it everyday

That's because protein folding is not exclusive to cancer research. The folding/structure of proteins is important to EVERY SINGLE EVENT that occurs in EVERY SINGLE CELL in EVERY SINGLE LIVING ORGANISM. Fighting cancer is just a nice recruitment tool, but understanding the structure of all proteins and their variants can be important to understanding how processes occur, what influences them, etc.

There is no pipedream here unless you completely miss the point of the project. It's not like all of a sudden one day your PS3 will say "YOU SAVED THE WORLD".... the point is that you will have helped uncover the structure of a protein which may, or may not, be important to some scientific investigation of a process. Given that structure, a scientist somewhere may be able to say "Hey, it has an inhibitory site for glucosamine" which may lead to the use of glucosamine as an inhibitory drug for said detrimental process.

Yes, you could just donate money. That would help fund different aspects (eg: buy a microscope), but the structures of the proteins are needed to further illucidate any hypothesis derived from these other tools or to inspire one. The structures help give a functional basis upon which to examine what may otherwise be simple conjecture. Obviously there is no way to get you to understand any of this. To understand the benefit of it you have to understand the science behind it and the potential impact that said science can have as just another tool for scientists to use. Your argument is like saying that the human genome project should never have been undertaken because you can't just go "Oh, right here is the gene for stupidity". The HGP is merely another such tool; in that case a roadmap to help scientists whittle down potential locations for an involved gene faster than simple chromosomal walking techniques.

All you keep doing with your arguments is continue to demonstrate your lack of understanding of the concept and its role in a bigger picture of things.

You seem to so firmly believe that it is useless and I'm just proving to you that it's not.nosferatu

Uhm...you haven't proven anything other than you saying that you're a medical student and that you're highly interested in this program. 

I don't even own a PS3, I'm just somebody who has a vested interest and knowledge in the medical field and thus the research that supports it (read my original post).nosferatu

I've read your original post and you REALLY come across like a fanboy. "Hey, I'm interested in this, so you shouldn't belittle it." along with, "I'm a medical student, so I know this will eventually have something good happen; even thought I don't know exactly what."

Sorry dude, I'm not buying it, but I'm sure you're just stuck with the thought that I'm the ignorant one here.

I'm just disagreeing with you and a couple other people that this isn't the best "research" since sliced bread and I believe that there are MUCH better ways to research diseases.

The program is useless to ME and you've proven nothing to me otherwise. I'm not trying to recruit some Army of F@H is Dumb. This is the only F@H thread I'm "participating" in. *shrug*

All I've done in threads is clear up misconceptions or clarify. The results of this are much like the genome project in that it will eventually represent a tool that researchers can consult to better understand their findings, to give them ideas, etc. The program and the results themselves make no direct contribution to any particular research. It is the interpretation of these results and their reciprocal assistance in interpreting other results that provides the value. As its own entity it is essentially worthless in much the same way that a microscope's image is worthless if you don't have a context and knowledge of other aspects of what you are looking at.
That's the reason you aren't buying it and what I've been trying to knock into your head. This is NOT a way to research diseases directly, it is a tool (much like an encyclopedia or an atlas) to consult during other research methods. At the same time, it is a valuable tool in that research in much the same way that those other items are. Therefore you are right, if you are attempting to look at this as a direct results from this will cure a disease it will appear to be far from worthwhile, but that's because your fundamental premise is just incorrect. I've been trying to correct that for you this entire time but you seem reluctant to abandon that incorrect premise and see it for what it is and thus reluctant to abandon your view of it as worthless based upon your incorrect paradigm.
When your foundation is incorrect and that has been illustrated to you, yet you still refuse to abandon it and continue to use that paradigm as the basis of your negative commentary that does, in fact, make you ignorant. It is almost the definition of ignorant. If, after seeing it as I am trying to present it, you still see it as worthlees then you are no longer ignorant; you merely have an inability to comprehend second-order function.

**Never once have I been any sort of fanboy for the program and told you you should be involved. I have never gone and said this is a great research project. All my examples, explanations, etc have been trying to illustrate this same exact point and to show you that there is a purpose to it and show you how, that's all. I've said all along that you can do it or not and I could care less. I just want you to see that there is a purpose to it and have given you numerous reasons why. There's a difference between being a fanboy and trying to get somebody to simply understand something they almost seemingly refuse to try and understand.

I'm just disagreeing with you and a couple other people that this isn't the best "research" since sliced bread and I believe that there are MUCH better ways to research diseases.Deyee

Since I confused you.

[QUOTE="Deyee"]I'm just disagreeing with you and a couple other people that this isn't the best "research" since sliced bread and I believe that there are MUCH better ways to research diseases.Deyee

Since I confused you.

face it nothing is as good as sliced bread. But if people are willing to participate in some other way than just throwing money at a problem why not allow them to without dragging it through the mud?

if there are so many other more wonderful ways of doing research would you care to express them here? Keep in mind to only list those that we would be able to participate in without becoming scientists ourselves.

I understand it "helps" cure cancer, and thats great. But how come so many people are going to do it for lots of hour. Wouldnt it affect your PS3 if you kepts it on for a long time, like eventually burn out. i rather not install it and keep my PS3 new as possible, but if you wanted to help cure cancer thats great.(it shows that you rather help cure cancer than take care of your ps3, and thats great)

shokeyz

if there are so many other more wonderful ways of doing research would you care to express them here? Keep in mind to only list those that we would be able to participate in without becoming scientists ourselves. Dr-Strangelove

I'm sure Mr. Medical Student will agree with me on all points:

Open a book and read

Like I posted earlier(yep scroll up, second link I posted on the second page) there are websites, with.....wow PARTICIPATION links

http://www.alz.org/join_the_cause_volunteering.asp is another one

I also posted earlier that I voulenteer at UC Davis every February, How did I find out about this? Listening to my fav radio station.

Family background history as some have posted that things run in the family, such as heart disease or other illnesses. Talk to your family and research in a book or online about said illness.

Just because you choose to educate yourself about something doesn't necessarily mean that you have to choose it as your profession.

Of course you MIGHT have to go outside and or put effort into these things, so it's probably not for the faint of heart.

raising money is just the same as throwing money at the problem

it is useful and has a good purpose. But it's people's own bias that determines what is the best way for them to donate whatever resource they can.

perhaps it would be bes to do both?

but as it stands, doing something, is better than nothing at all

anyways F@H is volunteering to begin with.

 you'll have to do better then trying to stab at people with a guilt trip. It's great that you participate in the volunteering that you do, But it could also be argued that your efforts will amount to very little if anything. But i'm sure you wouldn't agree since you're so invested in what you yourself do. hence bias

you'll have to do better then trying to stab at people with a guilt trip.Dr-Strangelove

Riiiiiight.

It's ok man. You didn't even look at the websites I posted.....no no, not glance. Look, as in actually read. Then out of: Reading a book, educating yourself on family illnesses, reading info on the web and voulenteering you pick out the two urls that I posted that MENTIONED raising money. Wow!

LOL!

What a battle!

Me? I think the whole world is #*@%&^ up anyway. We will all be dead from Tsunami's, Earthquakes, Typhoons, Floods, Droughts, Extreme Temperatures, Cyclones, Volcano's, etc in the next 50 years so who cares?

How about we just play some games and party like its the end of days!

:) 

[QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"]you'll have to do better then trying to stab at people with a guilt trip.Deyee

Riiiiiight.

It's ok man. You didn't even look at the websites I posted.....no no, not glance. Look, as in actually read. Then out of: Reading a book, educating yourself on family illnesses, reading info on the web and voulenteering you pick out the two urls that I posted that MENTIONED raising money. Wow!

We should definitely take all the scientists' computers and sell them for more money so they can cure diseases faster...with no computers...cause they don't need them...to figure anything out...:roll: 

[QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"]you'll have to do better then trying to stab at people with a guilt trip.Deyee

Riiiiiight.

It's ok man. You didn't even look at the websites I posted.....no no, not glance. Look, as in actually read. Then out of: Reading a book, educating yourself on family illnesses, reading info on the web and voulenteering you pick out the two urls that I posted that MENTIONED raising money. Wow!

i addressed the volunteering in general that which your volunteering websites cover. there are only so many types of volunteering all of which make little to no difference beyond a personal level, especially in relation to finding an actual cure of a disease. Also the last 3 of your links involved donation, and again that's fine, there are only so many ways to participate. But don't expect everyone to think and feel as passionatly as you do on the same subjects or methods of volunteering.

If you find it useful enough to help with money or time that's great, that's not to say one form of volunteering is any lesser or greater than another.

Also as a side note you probably shouldn't assume so much about those you don't even know, Especially about family or participation in causes I find meaningful and personal to my family or self, as this is a discussion about the merit of the program rather than a pissing contest.

But to sum up your argument basically, the program is without merit because you yourself volunteer at various locations. That's great but still irrelevant and off topic.

Oh, it's easily put into perspective.

Take your electric bill by itself.

Then take your electric bill with your PS3 running 24 hours a day for a month.

Now, take the difference in money and actually donate it to cancer research.

It's really just that simple, but like I said earlier; if you believe the pipedream feel free to partake.

www.cancer.org/docroot/DON/DON_0.asp

That's odd, nowhere on that website does it say anything of F@H. Hmmm....

www.cancer.org/docroot/par/par_0.asp

Nowhere on that one either. 

Deyee

[QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"]If you find it useful enough to help with money or time that's great, that's not to say one form of volunteering is any lesser or greater than another.Deyee

YOU aren't volunteering AT ALL. You're turning a console on and letting it sit there. Is that clear now?

You asked for alternative ways to volunteer and I listed them. I'm sorry none were as easy as believing that a console running is actually "helping the cause". But since you took it as a personal attack that I suggested educating yourself on illnesses running in the family I'll be sure only to respond with who I was talking with earlier.

turning on a console and using time that would otherwise be devoted to something as useful as amusing yourself with video games or nothing at all for a program where you aren't payed but research is being done, is volunteering i'm sorry. Because it isn't overwhelmingly diffucult doesn't mean it isn't needed or useful.

I didn't take it as a personal attack it's just that you know nothing of peoples' private lives therefore you'll end up looking like a fool for assuming inaccurate information about people. You just did it again in this post, suggesting that I learn about illness in my family, it's a crude defense on your part to mask the fact your stance is irrelevant.

Again you feel it's useless where others don't, that's your perspective, so stop wasting your time on this forum, in fact I suggest you go and volunteer and learn about your family's illness.

[QUOTE="liquid_sleep"]Nobody is forcing anybody to participate. Why all the negativity?Deyee

Just the idea of the pipedream phenomenon.

Giving $12 a month to some fund that helps children in third world countries when we have plenty of children in the U.S. that could use that. 

Angelina Jolie going to Korea and Africa to adopt babies and getting an absolute crap load of press about it when there are  plenty of orphans in the U.S.

Actually participating in Folding@Home when the American Cancer Society and World's Sceintists aren't going to find a way to Cure cancer in the first place. Think about it, what's the last disease the human race has cured? 

polio?

[QUOTE="Dr-Strangelove"]If you find it useful enough to help with money or time that's great, that's not to say one form of volunteering is any lesser or greater than another.Deyee

YOU aren't volunteering AT ALL. You're turning a console on and letting it sit there. Is that clear now?

You asked for alternative ways to volunteer and I listed them. I'm sorry none were as easy as believing that a console running is actually "helping the cause". But since you took it as a personal attack that I suggested educating yourself on illnesses running in the family I'll be sure only to respond with who I was talking with earlier.

You might help cancer but you sure aren't helping global warming, Folding@Home uses up the Cell processor completely and as a result the power consumption is going to be high.

So Don't bother to help 'cure' cancer and help global warming instead. 

[QUOTE="Deyee"]I'm just disagreeing with you and a couple other people that this isn't the best "research" since sliced bread and I believe that there are MUCH better ways to research diseases.Deyee

Since I confused you.

YOU aren't volunteering AT ALL. You're turning a console on and letting it sit there. Is that clear now?

You asked for alternative ways to volunteer and I listed them. I'm sorry none were as easy as believing that a console running is actually "helping the cause". But since you took it as a personal attack that I suggested educating yourself on illnesses running in the family I'll be sure only to respond with who I was talking with earlier.

Deyee

Your suggestions of better things to do? They educate YOU, they put forth almost nothing towards the accrument of scientific knowledge. If you are reading about it, then it is already known about. Family histories? They are much like this folding thing; a source of information through which you may notice an element of the disease or its process that may elucidate a solution.

Lastly, only because you seem to hold your volunteering at a hospital over everybody's heads, I have DEVOTED MY LIFE to helping people through a career in medicine. If you try and argue it's for the money you are very mistaken. There are MUCH easier ways to make equivalent or higher incomes, I promise... this is particularly true when you consider the level of intelligence amongst most doctors. Here's an example for you: the average resident makes $40,000 a year and works 90hrs/week. You can make better money/hr at Burger King... and that's after 8 years of post-high school education and loans. Trust me when I say, a career in medicine is definitely a focus on helping others above the rest. Just accept the fact that your understanding of the whole thing is wrong. Read everything I've written, see where the fallacy in your argument lies (I'll give you a hint: it's the very foundation you have built it upon). If nothing else, keep in mind something is better than nothing when it comes to helping out.

At this point I give up. I should be able to recognize a lost cause sooner. If you would step out beyond yourself for a second and read what was actually written you will see how you were wrong. Instead you seem to take everything as an attack on yourself that you have to be defensive about and that causes you to misconstrue and disregard logic. I guess this only goes to further emphasize your lack of a mind that works along scientific principles and helps explain why you can't understand them (and yes, I know, that was personal, but at this point I assume that must be how you work and therefore am putting my last words to you in a form you will be able to understand).