GeoHot and fail0verflow sued by Sony! :D (yay!)

Sony's suing them?
Ok, so I guess everyone will have the keys sooner than we thought. Piracy will be rampant in no time.

Way to go Sony, now those keys are going to get released for sure.

this is an act against free software in my opinion since he does own the system

Geohot will get hacked in prison..poor boy

i guess Sony had no choice; had no way in fighting this hack so they're only option is to sue

i guess Sony had no choice; had no way in fighting this hack so they're only option is to sue

SwagSurf

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i guess Sony had no choice; had no way in fighting this hack so they're only option is to sue

LightR

Can you provide a link please? Great news if true!

I guess it only matters where they take this to court at? Only time will tell. MrSelf-Destruct

I think they live in England.

[QUOTE="LightR"][QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

i guess Sony had no choice; had no way in fighting this hack so they're only option is to sue

SwagSurf

Can you provide a link please? Great news if true!

Here is the link on Engadget

Didn't Apple already lose a similar case?

[QUOTE="LightR"][QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

i guess Sony had no choice; had no way in fighting this hack so they're only option is to sue

Can you provide a link please? Great news if true!

Am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if they said they had done it, gave very basic information (like them explaining it has to do with Sony's security code or something along those lines) but kept the "how to guide" to themselves. I don't want this information getting public, it could do so much damage to Sony, and to think, they finally started to make money off the PS3, just to turn around and lose it to hackers.

Lol. I know Geohot specifically but I'll assume fail0verflow was also afraid of this. I have nothing against these guys so I hope it all works out, neither side says they want piracy so hopefully they can come to a solution.LightR

I personally hope those guys (fail0verflow and Geohot) get nailed with this lawsuit. Sure, they say they don't support piracy, but why hack the system just for the sake of homebrew when you knew it would lead to mass piracy... and then brag about it over the web? Seriously, that just wasn't a very smart move on their part. They now have a ticked off corporation on their hands, and that is definitely not a good thing.

Way to go Sony, now those keys are going to get released for sure.

DevilishStyles

This ^

Didn't Apple already lose a similar case?

IndianaPwns39

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

[QUOTE="LightR"]Lol. I know Geohot specifically but I'll assume fail0verflow was also afraid of this. I have nothing against these guys so I hope it all works out, neither side says they want piracy so hopefully they can come to a solution.Vari3ty

I personally hope those guys (fail0verflow and Geohot) get nailed with this lawsuit. Sure, they say they don't support piracy, but why hack the system just for the sake of homebrew when you knew it would lead to mass piracy... and then brag about it over the web? Seriously, that just wasn't a very smart move on their part. They now have a ticked off corporation on their hands, and that is definitely not a good thing.

[QUOTE="LightR"]Lol. I know Geohot specifically but I'll assume fail0verflow was also afraid of this. I have nothing against these guys so I hope it all works out, neither side says they want piracy so hopefully they can come to a solution.Vari3ty

I personally hope those guys (fail0verflow and Geohot) get nailed with this lawsuit. Sure, they say they don't support piracy, but why hack the system just for the sake of homebrew when you knew it would lead to mass piracy... and then brag about it over the web? Seriously, that just wasn't a very smart move on their part. They now have a ticked off corporation on their hands, and that is definitely not a good thing.

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

Regardless, they will have to prove it on their own parts that they're not a primary distributor. Unfortunately, that will be hard since they had been boosting online and bragging left and right.

I can't stand hackers, no matter what their honorable ways might be, in the end of the day, they ruin one of my favorite hobbies or at very least are a strong influence.

I hope they end up in jail and that sends a proper message.

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

MrSelf-Destruct

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

[QUOTE="hiryu3"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

MrSelf-Destruct

Anyway, while I do kind of feel bad for the guys. After all, depending what Sony asks for they can be screwed the rest of their lives. However if a few people get nailed really bad, that can show the community that they are playing a dangerous game, and it can put a big dent in the piracy "market" (if you can call it that)

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="hiryu3"] wrong GeoHot did release software. He released the self signing app with the PS3 master key he released earlier.Silos911

Anyway, while I do kind of feel bad for the guys. After all, depending what Sony asks for they can be screwed the rest of their lives. However if a few people get nailed really bad, that can show the community that they are playing a dangerous game, and it can put a big dent in the piracy "market" (if you can call it that)

Quite frankly, I have no sympathy for them. They hacked a console to supposedly "run their apps" and whatever else, and because they wanted homebrew so badly on the PS3. Hello, don't these guys own a PC already? Why mess around with the PS3? And then they go off and brag about it, even hosting a conference to say how they hacked the PS3. It was like the equivalent of them screaming for Sony to slap them with a lawsuit.

And now gamers like us are going to probably see more hackers and more people pirating their games, instead of giving the money to the publishers/developers who rightly deserve it. I don't care if these guys say they don't support piracy, the fact is they gave the pirates the key to the castle and now the pirates can do basically whatever they want. It was just a really dumb, selfish move that proves all they care about is attention for themselves, and they don't even give a thought to the millions of other people who want to use the PS3 for fun, but are going to have their experiences ruined by hackers/pirates. I hope they go to jail for years.

Exactly what I've been saying from the start. Why hack the PS3 if not to gain anything from it? They claim they're against piracy, even though they're actions fully support it. Makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

Here's the actual motion that was filed:

Defendants George Hotz, "Bushing," Hector Cantero, Sven Peter and "Segher" (collectively, "Defendants") are computer hackers. Working individually and in concert with one another, Defendants recently bypassed effective technological protection measures ("TPMs") employed by plaintiff Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP ("SCEA") in its proprietary PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system ("PS3 System"). Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, "Circumvention Devices") that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices. Declaration of Ryan T. Bricker In Support of Ex Parte Motion for Temporary Restraining Order And Order To Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction; Order for Impoundment ("Bricker Decl.") ¶2, Exh. A. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 and Local Rules 65-1 and 7-10, SCEA moves ex parte to put an immediate halt to the ongoing distribution of these illegal Circumvention Devices and avoid irreparable harm to SCEA and to other video game software developers stemming from video game piracy.

I already see some things they can get out on Sony for. For example, none of these guys have actually released any software. Some peoplehave, but not these guys.

Whatever happened to copy/pasting the text and removing any link addresses? If you wanted to "spread the news", the least you could do is "do it right":P

One thing has always been a constant: the downfall of every prominent hacker is his ego. GeoHot and fail0verflow were openly boasting their "accomplishment" all over the web, but only to seek recognition and attention, with fail0verflow even setting up a friggin' conference, which in reality was only a podium to show off how "1337 w3 r cuz we hax0r'd the P$3", and a public occasion for them to be stewed with praise and applause. They intentionally were public because they wanted their ego to be fed. Now they're left hanging high and dry. Serves them right.yazter

I can agree with everything you've said, but this one paragraph stands out. Hackers do a lot of things just to say they can or they did. In many cases they are basement elites who can't wait to tell the world of all they've accomplished. What's funny is that most responses will be along the lines of, "That's nice. Now tell me how to get it to work so I can play some free sh**." Hackers only really get support from other hackersor the very very few pirates out there that actually appreciate that they are getting free stuff, and when it all comes down to it they will scatter like roaches.

Basically, most hackers are ego maniacs and most pirates are too self centered to really give a crap about them as they just want to play games without paying for them.

Completely agree.

Quite honestly, if I had the ability to hack a PS3, I'd just keep it to myself.

Not sure why you are happy.... do you work for sony?funsohng

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Not sure why you are happy.... do you work for sony?yazter

[QUOTE="yazter"]One thing has always been a constant: the downfall of every prominent hacker is his ego. GeoHot and fail0verflow were openly boasting their "accomplishment" all over the web, but only to seek recognition and attention, with fail0verflow even setting up a friggin' conference, which in reality was only a podium to show off how "1337 w3 r cuz we hax0r'd the P$3", and a public occasion for them to be stewed with praise and applause. They intentionally were public because they wanted their ego to be fed. Now they're left hanging high and dry. Serves them right.MrSelf-Destruct

I can agree with everything you've said, but this one paragraph stands out. Hackers do a lot of things just to say they can or they did. In many cases they are basement elites who can't wait to tell the world of all they've accomplished. What's funny is that most responses will be along the lines of, "That's nice. Now tell me how to get it to work so I can play some free sh**." Hackers only really get support from other hackersor the very very few pirates out there that actually appreciate that they are getting free stuff, and when it all comes down to it they will scatter like roaches.

Basically, most hackers are ego maniacs and most pirates are too self centered to really give a crap about them as they just want to play games without paying for them.

[QUOTE="yazter"][QUOTE="funsohng"]Not sure why you are happy.... do you work for sony?funsohng

One thing has always been a constant: the downfall of every prominent hacker is his ego. GeoHot and fail0verflow were openly boasting their "accomplishment" all over the web, but only to seek recognition and attention, with fail0verflow even setting up a friggin' conference, which in reality was only a podium to show off how "1337 w3 r cuz we hax0r'd the P$3", and a public occasion for them to be stewed with praise and applause. They intentionally were public because they wanted their ego to be fed. Now they're left hanging high and dry. Serves them right.yazter

I can agree with everything you've said, but this one paragraph stands out. Hackers do a lot of things just to say they can or they did. In many cases they are basement elites who can't wait to tell the world of all they've accomplished. What's funny is that most responses will be along the lines of, "That's nice. Now tell me how to get it to work so I can play some free sh**." Hackers only really get support from other hackersor the very very few pirates out there that actually appreciate that they are getting free stuff, and when it all comes down to it they will scatter like roaches.

Basically, most hackers are ego maniacs and most pirates are too self centered to really give a crap about them as they just want to play games without paying for them.

Finally the little dumb kid and the stupid team got sued. So what is geohot gonna do now? Hide behind his mommy's back so they take her instead to prison?stupid kid.

omfg they had t-shirts made for their "conference." ...for christ's sakes... :p

It's not like Sony's going to win. Remember the HD-DVD key fiasco, kiddos? In any case guys geohot and those in fail0verflow should be praised for making the PS3 more awesome. People are going to actually buy one now. I've had mine in the closet for almost half a year until recently. As for piracy and cheaters, both have always been around and neither has had any effect on the industry. In fact I'd say the worst things to happen to gaming include achievements, locked saves, DLC, etc etc. Bottom line is that if your game is good, it will sell. If it's not selling well of course they'll look for a scapegoat ;)istuffedsunny

This is great news to hear today on my bday. Now people that want to download Geohot's firmware and more are gonna think twice before doing so, unless they want to get sued by Sony. Awesome to hear TC.