GeoHot and fail0verflow sued by Sony! :D (yay!)

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]First off, I never denied that Geohotz is a genius or that he accomplished a lot. I simply said that what you wrote was offensive - TRUE or not. He may be indirectly offending George Hotz but he is not offending you, so there is no need for YOU to be rude to HIM. Just saying. MrSelf-Destruct

One of Geos downfalls. He loves the spotlight.

BTW, you should know I'm not condoning what he did in any way. I don't support piracy in the least but anybody should be able to admit that basically having an app store for the PS3 is a pretty sweet idea. I haven't installed the CFW because I have no idea what Sony is capable of and I don't want a bricked console. I'm glad he did what he could to stop the piracy and it really is too bad someone else found a different way of getting it to work. If we could get the homebrew without the piracy that would be ideal.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]Okay, I wont defend a guy against a bunch of people talking about him like he's the devil when in reality the guy has the potential to do great things for humanity.:roll:

One of Geos downfalls. He loves the spotlight.

BTW, you should know I'm not condoning what he did in any way. I don't support piracy in the least but anybody should be able to admit that basically having an app store for the PS3 is a pretty sweet idea. I haven't installed the CFW because I have no idea what Sony is capable of and I don't want a bricked console. I'm glad he did what he could to stop the piracy and it really is too bad someone else found a different way of getting it to work. If we could get the homebrew without the piracy that would be ideal.

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] He could potentially do great things for humanity but he sure is off to a crappy start. I'd love to see the kid become a neural sergion, but if that's what he intends to do then he needs to stop wasting his talents on hacking a gaming console and focus on school. MrSelf-Destruct

One of Geos downfalls. He loves the spotlight.

BTW, you should know I'm not condoning what he did in any way. I don't support piracy in the least but anybody should be able to admit that basically having an app store for the PS3 is a pretty sweet idea. I haven't installed the CFW because I have no idea what Sony is capable of and I don't want a bricked console. I'm glad he did what he could to stop the piracy and it really is too bad someone else found a different way of getting it to work. If we could get the homebrew without the piracy that would be ideal.

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[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"] So you're comparing hackers to rapists and murderers?MrSelf-Destruct

He's simply stating facts about the legal system to support the argument that there's a "lack of morals" among certain defense attorneys, citing that even the most heinous of criminals receive legal defense, in which the attorney fights for his/her client's innocence despite the client's clear guiltiness.

Nowhere does he equate hackers to criminals of such caliber.

The real question should have been, "do you consider hackers criminals?"

I wasn't actually asking the question, i just thought that would have been a better question than the one he asked (which is kind of overstepping my boundaries i guess). :P

But considering you answered it, I guess I'll bite. I don't think hackers should automatically be regarded as criminals either. But in this current case, it's all about the consequences of one's actions, or "causality" if you will. I agree with you -- it's not easy to point out Hotz's criminality (given the existent loopholes in the in the precedent law(s) or even the End User Agreement... which I haven't read :P ). However, Hotz is responsible for opening the floodgates to future criminal activities (i.e pirating). And given the potential magnitude of the damage that will befall Sony once these floodgates are open (if "magnitude" is even a relevant factor), Hotz should be held accountable. Even if he himself is against piracy (and let's a assume that's true) and didin't break any laws directly, it hardly exonerates him of all wrongdoing.

I try.

Also, Greetings from the 209 and Japan.

Oh god..those keys will be all over the place now..

Removing "other OS" should have allowed US to sue SONY. They altered MY computer system without authorization, and FORCED an "upgrade" that disabled a part of what i had paid for. Sony is obviously fighting a losing battle. Jailbreaking/Accessing OUR OWN hardware's capabilities is far from illegal. Unfortunately, distributing means to circumvent these protections is illegal.

I guess GeoHot has to explain in court that SONY violated their own terms of service with us and he was only turning on what was there originally.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]First off, I never denied that Geohotz is a genius or that he accomplished a lot. I simply said that what you wrote was offensive - TRUE or not. He may be indirectly offending George Hotz but he is not offending you, so there is no need for YOU to be rude to HIM. Just saying. F1ame_Shie1d

I really have to LoL at everyone saying the piracy is going to ruin the console. Lets list other consoles that have been hacked and pirated shall we?

Playstation 1

Playstation 2

Xbox

Xbox 360

Gamecube

Wii

Gameboy Advance

Nintendo DS(there's even emulators for this one already)

And guess how piracy affected all those consoles...it didn't. It didn't do a thing. If a console fails it's simply because they had bad games, the developers need to look for an excuse to their own incompetence and blame pirates for poor sale.

I notice a lack of the Dreamcast on that list.

As for the "other consoles" that got hacked, take for example the Xbox 360, they generally require other hardware to modify the console to be able to pirate games. In the PS3's case, no external hardware is needed, meaning anyone can just go on a torrent site, download the games they want, and then play them right away. This is not good in any way for Sony.

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]First off, I never denied that Geohotz is a genius or that he accomplished a lot. I simply said that what you wrote was offensive - TRUE or not. He may be indirectly offending George Hotz but he is not offending you, so there is no need for YOU to be rude to HIM. Just saying. Vari3ty

I really have to LoL at everyone saying the piracy is going to ruin the console. Lets list other consoles that have been hacked and pirated shall we?

Playstation 1

Playstation 2

Xbox

Xbox 360

Gamecube

Wii

Gameboy Advance

Nintendo DS(there's even emulators for this one already)

And guess how piracy affected all those consoles...it didn't. It didn't do a thing. If a console fails it's simply because they had bad games, the developers need to look for an excuse to their own incompetence and blame pirates for poor sale.

I notice a lack of the Dreamcast on that list.

As for the "other consoles" that got hacked, take for example the Xbox 360, they generally require other hardware to modify the console to be able to pirate games. In the PS3's case, no external hardware is needed, meaning anyone can just go on a torrent site, download the games they want, and then play them right away. This is not good in any way for Sony.

1 and only 1 console has failed due to piracy. The Dreamcast, as you said. I addressed that in another post. What makes the Dreamcast a very special case is, as far as I know, it even had a slew of fantastic games on and the first game console to take things online. Of course I don't know too much about it other then people say piracy killed it. I never owned 1 or knew anybody else that owned 1. I never actually even heard the thing get talked about when it was out. N64 was all anybody ever mentioned at the time. Maybe I'll do some research on it:)

BTW, just as I left the Dreamcast out of my argument you picked the hardest console to modify to play backups...We're both guilty parties here:)

For those people on Sony's side you don't know the whole story, watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtEKQf1msI&feature=player_embedded

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[QUOTE="WockaFlocka"]Does anyone by chance have a link to download the actual jailbreak?MrSelf-Destruct

BTW, 3.55 isn't jailbroken. A jailbreak means they can run unsigned code. You can NOT run unsigned code on 3.55 CFW or not. You have to downgrade to 3.41 and lose PSN in the process. It's not worth it.

3.55 is jailbroken and enough for you to run games on it and you actually need to be on the latest official firmware to run the custom one. I am playing a downloaded game right now on 3.55 and have full access to the PSN. Also it can be downgraded to 3.41. The reason why Sony is mad is because the system is totally broken and hacked. It's so easy to hack right now a kid could do it. All you need is a normal usb and 1 file. Meaning unless they change the hardware itself anyone can hack it right now and in the future via usb flash drive.

It just went from the hardest system to hack to the easiest ever made. Meaning if you know how to manually update your psp you can already hack a ps3.

Why not just make homebrew for the PC? You can have Linux on there as well can't you? Why are people so desperate to do it on the PS3, because piracy isn't the reason right?

...Right?

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]...You're kidding right?And even if I would give you a link you couldn't use it because if you need to ask you wouldn't be able to perform the steps required to do it...especially if you're already on 3.55.

BTW, 3.55 isn't jailbroken. A jailbreak means they can run unsigned code. You can NOT run unsigned code on 3.55 CFW or not. You have to downgrade to 3.41 and lose PSN in the process. It's not worth it.

3.55 is jailbroken and enough for you to run games on it and you actually need to be on the latest official firmware to run the custom one. I am playing a downloaded game right now on 3.55 and have full access to the PSN. Also it can be downgraded to 3.41. The reason why Sony is mad is because the system is totally broken and hacked. It's so easy to hack right now a kid could do it. All you need is a normal usb and 1 file. Meaning unless they change the hardware itself anyone can hack it right now and in the future via usb flash drive.

It just went from the hardest system to hack to the easiest ever made. Meaning if you know how to manually update your psp you can already hack a ps3.

For those people on Sony's side you don't know the whole story, watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtEKQf1msI&feature=player_embedded

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Exactly. And if you already upgraded to 3.55 there is no known way to downgrade. MrSelf-Destruct

3.55 is jailbroken and enough for you to run games on it and you actually need to be on the latest official firmware to run the custom one. I am playing a downloaded game right now on 3.55 and have full access to the PSN. Also it can be downgraded to 3.41. The reason why Sony is mad is because the system is totally broken and hacked. It's so easy to hack right now a kid could do it. All you need is a normal usb and 1 file. Meaning unless they change the hardware itself anyone can hack it right now and in the future via usb flash drive.

It just went from the hardest system to hack to the easiest ever made. Meaning if you know how to manually update your psp you can already hack a ps3.

What the hackers were doing was modifying the game itself to actually fully install the game on the PS3 while the PS3 thought it was only installing a PSN game, not a full retail game.

The thing is games that perform a syscall on boot up do NOT work with this method. And even some direct boot games aren't working either.

I'm more then certain people will figure this out eventually but for now only a very small number of games even work to be pirated and from what I seen, most people out there wouldn't buy the games anyways:P Big games like the COD series don't work for example.

I got ya. I did see some vids that were released today where some dude already had a bunch of legacy emulators installed on his USB stick and was playing some Super Mario. :shock:MrSelf-Destruct

Something I forgot to say before. That syscall I think reports to a LV2self or something like that which can NOT be patched. Every hacker that's tried to patch it ended up with a brick. Until they figure that one out pirated games above firmware 3.41 wont happen(beyond the select few).

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]I got ya. I did see some vids that were released today where some dude already had a bunch of legacy emulators installed on his USB stick and was playing some Super Mario. :shock:F1ame_Shie1d

Something I forgot to say before. That syscall I think reports to a LV2self or something like that which can NOT be patched. Every hacker that's tried to patch it ended up with a brick. Until they figure that one out pirated games above firmware 3.41 wont happen(beyond the select few).

It's a sad world we live in, where you buy something but you still don't own it.

GIXX3R

Removing "other OS" should have allowed US to sue SONY. They altered MY computer system without authorization, and FORCED an "upgrade" that disabled a part of what i had paid for. Sony is obviously fighting a losing battle. Jailbreaking/Accessing OUR OWN hardware's capabilities is far from illegal. Unfortunately, distributing means to circumvent these protections is illegal.

I guess GeoHot has to explain in court that SONY violated their own terms of service with us and he was only turning on what was there originally.

GIXX3R

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]Remember the Dreamcast people? Piracy without the need of hardware mod, a short time later no more games consoles and it was dead.F1ame_Shie1d

360 is really easy to Pirate on. The Wii is the same thing at the PS3. Install software, burn games. except on the PS3 you still need to hex edit the game eboot.bin in order for it to play. Something barely anybody knows how to do. Then there's the fact of HDD limitations and bandwidth caps. Downloading a 20 gig game on a 100 gig cap just isn't reasonable. You're really not saving anything if you go over your limit on the internet..

Sony will be more then fine.

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It's a sad world we live in, where you buy something but you still don't own it.

hotfiree

Why is that a yay, this guy is trying to give you more right to something you own. He hasnt personally released anything that allows you to pirate games, thats just something that came of it. I hope the guy wins, it just shows you dont own half the things you buy.

It just goes to show how naive some people are, this had nothing to do with pirating games, Homebrew isnt piracy, stealing is.

I just dislike the dude, maybe I'm jealous because of his insane skills, or maybe it's because people are defending him way too much and act like Sony is the bad guy here. Or maybe it's because he uses his skills to hack the ps3 so they can sue the crap out of him. Or maybe it's because he acts like a smart*** and play around with this kind of stuff, taunting Sony etc, and he's still getting away with it. Or perhaps it's the really annoying images that you'll find when you google him. Either way, I hope he goes down. He probably won't though.

It's a sad world we live in, where you buy something but you still don't own it.

GIXX3R

doesnt matter, the damange has been done...

Even they lose the trial to sony, they dont even have $ to compensate sony an ps3 gamers' loss.

They have nothing to lose (well, maybe few years in jail?) anyway.