getting a ps3 for christmas (please read)

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Wardemon50"] man, I can't watch horror movies because I hate gruesome violence, but I've played M rated games since I was 7. All that matters is that the kid can recognise the difference between Video Games and Reality. ( for some reason I can watch a gruesome scene in a game, but not in a movie; news)Titans23

Yeah, but how old are you?

Plus, it's different and it really depends on the kid and their upbringing.

I mean, would you really want to take that chance on your kid?

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

so true and i should add i live in the "ghetto" and most kids can't afford a ps3 or anything yet I am the most peaceful kid in the school i kant walk home without 2 ppl fighting so videogames arent really why when they dont have any

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Wardemon50"] man, I can't watch horror movies because I hate gruesome violence, but I've played M rated games since I was 7. All that matters is that the kid can recognise the difference between Video Games and Reality. ( for some reason I can watch a gruesome scene in a game, but not in a movie; news)Titans23

Yeah, but how old are you?

Plus, it's different and it really depends on the kid and their upbringing.

I mean, would you really want to take that chance on your kid?

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

You are right. Parenting in general is what it comes down to. I have many great friends that wouldn't ever think of hurting someone. And yet, they do play the violent games and GTA. Is that ok? No, it is still not ok. As Scianix mentions it disensitizes you, YOU become more accepting of watching someones head get blown off and maybe to a certain point you start to enjoy it. What kind of person are you now? You love seeing someone suffer but just wouldn't do it to anyone yourself. You are a supporter of violence now.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

Yeah, but how old are you?

Plus, it's different and it really depends on the kid and their upbringing.

I mean, would you really want to take that chance on your kid?Zidaneski

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

You are right. Parenting in general is what it comes down to. I have many great friends that wouldn't ever think of hurting someone. And yet, they do play the violent games and GTA. Is that ok? No, it is still not ok. As Scianix mentions it disensitizes you, YOU become more accepting of watching someones head get blown off and maybe to a certain point you start to enjoy it. What kind of person are you now? You love seeing someone suffer but just wouldn't do it to anyone yourself. You are a supporter of violence now.

what did you do to supposedly earn a 600 dollar ps3 and a 1000 dollar laptop bcuz i gotta do it Makedonijo

mind you im 17, work in a game store and spend evey penny on gadgets and stuff :P iMac, Macbook, ps3, 360 and like 300 dvds lol

anywaayy, buy burnout, uncharted, bioshock (dunno about the age rating...i wouldnt say it was too bad, just a bit creepy)

oh and with the age ratings...im not sure how it works over there in the US, but i got warned from the trading standards over here in the UK for selling an 18 game to a 17 year old...

if i do it again i get a criminal record and up to £1000 fine......how ridiculous is that!

[QUOTE="Makedonijo"]what did you do to supposedly earn a 600 dollar ps3 and a 1000 dollar laptop bcuz i gotta do it lewisg1212

mind you im 17, work in a game store and spend evey penny on gadgets and stuff :P iMac, Macbook, ps3, 360 and like 300 dvds lol

anywaayy, buy burnout, uncharted, bioshock (dunno about the age rating...i wouldnt say it was too bad, just a bit creepy)

oh and with the age ratings...im not sure how it works over there in the US, but i got warned from the trading standards over here in the UK for selling an 18 game to a 17 year old...

if i do it again i get a criminal record and up to £1000 fine......how ridiculous is that!

[QUOTE="lewisg1212"]

[QUOTE="Makedonijo"]what did you do to supposedly earn a 600 dollar ps3 and a 1000 dollar laptop bcuz i gotta do it Emogun

mind you im 17, work in a game store and spend evey penny on gadgets and stuff :P iMac, Macbook, ps3, 360 and like 300 dvds lol

anywaayy, buy burnout, uncharted, bioshock (dunno about the age rating...i wouldnt say it was too bad, just a bit creepy)

oh and with the age ratings...im not sure how it works over there in the US, but i got warned from the trading standards over here in the UK for selling an 18 game to a 17 year old...

if i do it again i get a criminal record and up to £1000 fine......how ridiculous is that!

Lol, calling security? That sucks. A simple id check would have worked just fine.

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Wardemon50"] man, I can't watch horror movies because I hate gruesome violence, but I've played M rated games since I was 7. All that matters is that the kid can recognise the difference between Video Games and Reality. ( for some reason I can watch a gruesome scene in a game, but not in a movie; news)Titans23

Yeah, but how old are you?

Plus, it's different and it really depends on the kid and their upbringing.

I mean, would you really want to take that chance on your kid?

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

No, because it shouldn't even go that far.

Parents shouldn't have to wait until their kid shoots another kid in the face to start paying attention to them.

Children need attention from the parents, no matter what. If they're not getting the information from the parents, then they're getting it from an outside source; media, friends, etc.

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"][QUOTE="Titans23"]

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

Wardemon50

You are right. Parenting in general is what it comes down to. I have many great friends that wouldn't ever think of hurting someone. And yet, they do play the violent games and GTA. Is that ok? No, it is still not ok. As Scianix mentions it disensitizes you, YOU become more accepting of watching someones head get blown off and maybe to a certain point you start to enjoy it. What kind of person are you now? You love seeing someone suffer but just wouldn't do it to anyone yourself. You are a supporter of violence now.

And while this is true, it's hard to differentiate between what is wrong and waht is right when you've grown up think that what is wrong, is right.

But like I said, it depends on who you are and what kind of family you came from.

funny thing is this 17 year old looked older than my dad....no joke lol what age do you guys classify as like...mature etc? lewisg1212

Technically for guys its 25 years old. For girls its 18. Studies show that the frontal lobe of the brain in males does not fully develop unto 25 years of age. This is why guys around early 20s are still somewhat more impulsive and lacking forethought.

[QUOTE="lewisg1212"]funny thing is this 17 year old looked older than my dad....no joke lol what age do you guys classify as like...mature etc? Zidaneski

Technically for guys its 25 years old. For girls its 18. Studies show that the frontal lobe of the brain in males does not fully develop unto 25 years of age. This is why guys around early 20s are still somewhat more impulsive and lacking forethought.

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"]

[QUOTE="lewisg1212"]funny thing is this 17 year old looked older than my dad....no joke lol what age do you guys classify as like...mature etc? lewisg1212

Technically for guys its 25 years old. For girls its 18. Studies show that the frontal lobe of the brain in males does not fully develop unto 25 years of age. This is why guys around early 20s are still somewhat more impulsive and lacking forethought.

It does suck. Learned it in Psychology class. On the plus side though. If us males act mature and smart for our age girls easily can tell we're different than all the other dumb guys out there. At least, thats one way to look at it.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

Yeah, but how old are you?

Plus, it's different and it really depends on the kid and their upbringing.

I mean, would you really want to take that chance on your kid?

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

No, because it shouldn't even go that far.

Parents shouldn't have to wait until their kid shoots another kid in the face to start paying attention to them.

Children need attention from the parents, no matter what. If they're not getting the information from the parents, then they're getting it from an outside source; media, friends, etc.

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

[QUOTE="Titans23"]

Okay now this conversation is ridiculous, okay look it really doesn't come down to the games your parents let you play, the bottom line is parenting in general, i mean if some kid really did get the idea that violence doesn't matter and that it's okay to beat some kid up at school etc.. that's when the parents step in and start having some parental guidance, but as for me i've been playing rated M games for a while now, the only one i couldn't get when i was a kid was GTA III that was mostly because of the cursing and the SEX lol how come no one has said that about GTA they always talk about the violence but there is sex to, that's why but mostly M games are for blood and guts and until the New Gen games came out you have to admit the blood looked fake anyways haha

Titans23

No, because it shouldn't even go that far.

Parents shouldn't have to wait until their kid shoots another kid in the face to start paying attention to them.

Children need attention from the parents, no matter what. If they're not getting the information from the parents, then they're getting it from an outside source; media, friends, etc.

And therein lies the reason why parents are like this, as well as my point: Monitoring what your children watch and play is a GOOD thing. It isn't "sheltering" and it's a necessary measure a parent needs to take in order to, as you said, "tell somethings wrong before it gets to that point."

When parents don't monitor this kind of stuff, there's no way to tell what their child could do because you have no knowledge of what's influencing them.

I mean, obviously you're not the influencing them because you don't even know what's going on with them.

This is a debatable thing when it comes to parenting, though.

This is only how I'm going to raise my children; with care.

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

[QUOTE="Titans23"]And for all you people saying that parents are bad parents because they let kids play rated M games before they are like 15 or 17 are wrong, they are just video games, there my be cursing but who goes to middle school and high school and doesn't hear a curse word? those of you that just now started playing rated M games at the age of 15 or 17 are a thing called SHELTERED, because your parents don't want their little babies to start cussing and go to a gun store and buy a gun because they saw it in GTAIV.... Gimme a break...Zidaneski

You must be young.

Listen, when you're exposed to something, you become desensitized. My parents KNEW I would probably come across swearing in my lifetime, but the whole violence thing is different.

The more and more exposed the human mind is to violence, or anything for that matter, the more and more it becomes comfortable with it. Something you were sensitive about just seems to be nothing now. That's when it becomes a problem.

Especially if this happens at a young age, the mind matures with the idea that violence is nothing, and in some cases, ok. But, fact of the matter is, it's not and it does little in the way of solving problems.

The transition from sensitivity to lack thereof should ONLY happen during adulthood, when the human mind has enough experience to rightfully know what is right and what is wrong.

THIS is why parents SHOULD watch what their kids play and watch.

It MATTERS later on in life.

Couldn't have said it better. My dad never really cared and he is the one that played the rated M shooter games (doom) and my mom never really watched me and my siblings play video games much so I could have played rated M games anyways. However, I was able to decide for myself because I know that playing games like that corrupts your thinking. Do I ever want to get the feeling of shooting someone? No. If I was drafted and handed a gun would I carry it and shoot someone? No. For someone that does play video games like that I doubt they would have a problem with it.

I work at a lot of different schools in my district and I do ask what the middle schoolers do in their spare time. Most say play videogames, and it turns out they play the violent Gears of War and Halo games a lot. Are they generally violent, not really. If another student bugs them will they punch him, yeah.

[QUOTE="Emogun"]Alright well i am obsessed over getting a PS3 for christmas. I am asking for the 80 gig ps3 and extra duelshock 3 controller and LPB and MGS4. First of all is this all i should ask for since i do want a nice multiplayer game for the family to play with me along with an awesome game like MGS4. That is 575$ altogether probably a break for my dad from the 1 grand laptop i got last year. But also i usually get about 180$ I guess the main question here is what i should buy with that money. Please no GTA4 since I am 12 and i would not be alowed to get it but MGS4 is fine and i could probably push in resistence 2 but not like fallout 3. So please tell me what i should get right now i am thinking about Valkyria chronicles and uncharted drakes fourtune thank you for your time please reply.polishkid99

It's rated mature, which in a parents mind, is instantly bad.

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

You must be young.

Listen, when you're exposed to something, you become desensitized. My parents KNEW I would probably come across swearing in my lifetime, but the whole violence thing is different.

The more and more exposed the human mind is to violence, or anything for that matter, the more and more it becomes comfortable with it. Something you were sensitive about just seems to be nothing now. That's when it becomes a problem.

Especially if this happens at a young age, the mind matures with the idea that violence is nothing, and in some cases, ok. But, fact of the matter is, it's not and it does little in the way of solving problems.

The transition from sensitivity to lack thereof should ONLY happen during adulthood, when the human mind has enough experience to rightfully know what is right and what is wrong.

THIS is why parents SHOULD watch what their kids play and watch.

It MATTERS later on in life.

Snake_raider

Couldn't have said it better. My dad never really cared and he is the one that played the rated M shooter games (doom) and my mom never really watched me and my siblings play video games much so I could have played rated M games anyways. However, I was able to decide for myself because I know that playing games like that corrupts your thinking. Do I ever want to get the feeling of shooting someone? No. If I was drafted and handed a gun would I carry it and shoot someone? No. For someone that does play video games like that I doubt they would have a problem with it.

I work at a lot of different schools in my district and I do ask what the middle schoolers do in their spare time. Most say play videogames, and it turns out they play the violent Gears of War and Halo games a lot. Are they generally violent, not really. If another student bugs them will they punch him, yeah.

thank you...

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

You must be young.

Listen, when you're exposed to something, you become desensitized. My parents KNEW I would probably come across swearing in my lifetime, but the whole violence thing is different.

The more and more exposed the human mind is to violence, or anything for that matter, the more and more it becomes comfortable with it. Something you were sensitive about just seems to be nothing now. That's when it becomes a problem.

Especially if this happens at a young age, the mind matures with the idea that violence is nothing, and in some cases, ok. But, fact of the matter is, it's not and it does little in the way of solving problems.

The transition from sensitivity to lack thereof should ONLY happen during adulthood, when the human mind has enough experience to rightfully know what is right and what is wrong.

THIS is why parents SHOULD watch what their kids play and watch.

It MATTERS later on in life.

Snake_raider

Couldn't have said it better. My dad never really cared and he is the one that played the rated M shooter games (doom) and my mom never really watched me and my siblings play video games much so I could have played rated M games anyways. However, I was able to decide for myself because I know that playing games like that corrupts your thinking. Do I ever want to get the feeling of shooting someone? No. If I was drafted and handed a gun would I carry it and shoot someone? No. For someone that does play video games like that I doubt they would have a problem with it.

I work at a lot of different schools in my district and I do ask what the middle schoolers do in their spare time. Most say play videogames, and it turns out they play the violent Gears of War and Halo games a lot. Are they generally violent, not really. If another student bugs them will they punch him, yeah.

So when your kid turns 10 you'll say, " Alright I'm tired of parenting you, here's your new parents, they'll teach how the real world is like and how to solve all your problems." If you don't do the parenting up to the point when they are old enough to live without you and make decisions on their own, someone else is gonna make the decisions and take them under their wing for you. What happens with most kids is their parents stop caring around the teenage years and let them hang out with grundgy sniffer down the street.

alright let me ask you this, since you can play mature games now do you think you were mature enough when you were younger to play them, be honest.Titans23

No, because no child is mature enough to see those kinds of things.

If I had kids now I wouldn't let them play that kinda stuff.

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"]

Couldn't have said it better. My dad never really cared and he is the one that played the rated M shooter games (doom) and my mom never really watched me and my siblings play video games much so I could have played rated M games anyways. However, I was able to decide for myself because I know that playing games like that corrupts your thinking. Do I ever want to get the feeling of shooting someone? No. If I was drafted and handed a gun would I carry it and shoot someone? No. For someone that does play video games like that I doubt they would have a problem with it.

I work at a lot of different schools in my district and I do ask what the middle schoolers do in their spare time. Most say play videogames, and it turns out they play the violent Gears of War and Halo games a lot. Are they generally violent, not really. If another student bugs them will they punch him, yeah.

Snake_raider

Jesus Christ, do you not understand what I said in the post Zidane quoted?

When you are a child, it's not a matter of differentiating between reality and a video game. It's about the level of exposure to the video games. The actual differentiating DOES NOT TRULY HAPPEN UNTIL LATER.

When it does, your ability to tell the difference depends solely upon how much you were exposed to as a child.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT EARLY IN LIFE.

[QUOTE="Snake_raider"][QUOTE="Zidaneski"]

Couldn't have said it better. My dad never really cared and he is the one that played the rated M shooter games (doom) and my mom never really watched me and my siblings play video games much so I could have played rated M games anyways. However, I was able to decide for myself because I know that playing games like that corrupts your thinking. Do I ever want to get the feeling of shooting someone? No. If I was drafted and handed a gun would I carry it and shoot someone? No. For someone that does play video games like that I doubt they would have a problem with it.

I work at a lot of different schools in my district and I do ask what the middle schoolers do in their spare time. Most say play videogames, and it turns out they play the violent Gears of War and Halo games a lot. Are they generally violent, not really. If another student bugs them will they punch him, yeah.

Scianix-Black

Jesus Christ, do you not understand what I said in the post Zidane quoted?

When you are a child, it's not a matter of differentiating between reality and a video game. It's about the level of exposure to the video games. The actual differentiating DOES NOT TRULY HAPPEN UNTIL LATER.

When it does, your ability to tell the difference depends solely upon how much you were exposed to as a child.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT EARLY IN LIFE.

So your trying to say as 12 I shouldnt play these games because when i get older i am going to be able to watch peoples head get chopped off and not even blink. Thats so much bull this is what pisses me off so much about people like you as you talk about kids like me like we are babys I am more mature then alot of adults I know

This is a report i found by a 16 year old yesterday and it is alot how i feel about this subject

Now, I assuming anyone that has played a video game, or owns a console
or has a family with video games involved in "family time" is familiar
with the ESRB (Entertainment Software Ratings Board), and their game
ratings. All games must pass inspection by this board and cannot be
sold in stores or distributed until done so. The current ratings are:

***
EARLY CHILDHOOD
Titles rated EC (Early Childhood) have content that may be suitable
for ages 3 and older. Contains no material that parents would find
inappropriate.

EVERYONE
Titles rated E (Everyone) have content that may be suitable for ages 6
and older. Titles in this category may contain minimal cartoon,
fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language.

TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13
and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive
themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or
infrequent use of strong language.

MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons
ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense
violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played
by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include
prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and
nudity.

RATING PENDING
Titles listed as RP (Rating Pending) have been submitted to the ESRB
and are awaiting final rating. (This symbol appears only in
advertising prior to a game's release.)
***
(All the information is cited directly from
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp In no way am I trying
to reproduce this for profit or counterfeiting it in anyway.)

These ratings are supposed to be meant as guidelines. But, they are
now being used as strictly enforced laws upon children and teenagers.
I find this to be a ridiculous way of government control, and parental
overpowering. I know that there are no specific laws stating that
parents have absolute control, but that is obviously an implied power
of parents. But parents are not using them as guidelines, they are
using them as rules as well. I know this sounds like a complaint,
because I am only 16 and not allowed to buy M rated games, without my
parent being present, but it not a complaint, well not a personal
complaint. I find it ridiculous that children are restricted from
everything, such as exposure through TV or movies or games, to
violence, drug abuse and later towards adulthood sex. We are human
beings, it is our nature to enjoy things that stimulate us, like
drugs (For the record, I do not do drugs, never will, and never have), it also human nature to be violent, to fight, and humans are
very sexual creatures, it has been that way since day 1, about 30,000
years go or so (or whatever you believe, since many people think differently about when humans came to be.). We should be exposed to it earlier in life, rather
than later, so we are expecting it. I mean I obviously understand you definitely should NOT be buying a game like this for a ten year old, but, for a 16 year old to not be able to buy from himself is ridiculous. You can trust us with our licenses and cars on the road, but not a simple video game.

One point I see that I don't understand is the fact children are
barred from being able to see violence, or blood, etc. In movies or in
TV, or video games. So, what they are telling me is, if they saw
someone get hurt in real life, and they were bleeding, a doctor would
tell them, "No, you can't see this, your not 17, the government said
so." That is pretty much what I am getting out of that one. Yes, I do
understand the difference between real life and video games, or TV or
movies. But think about that for a minute will you.

A second point is that our government was constructed by the framers
of the constitution to not be ALL powerful, and they explicitly said
"The Government cannot govern without consent of the Governed." Are we
not the governed? Do we not live in America, under the laws of the
constitution, like every other adult in this country? They want us to
conform to their norms, and follow their laws with no privileges aimed
directly towards us? Look at the absolutely stupid Child Labor laws,
saying that a child cannot work until he/she is 16. What if your
family was going to lose their house, and the only you could save it
is by getting a job giving the money to your parents to save the
house, but you were only 13, or 14, or 15 years old. You would lose
your house, and live on the streets, but the does the government care,
NO, not a chance in hell. Our government is comprised of a bunch of
rich, selfish, conceded people who only care about lining their own
pockets.

A third point is, why cannot we not enjoy the same entertainment as
everyone else? Adults can enjoy anything they please, but can we,
NOPE, we cannot, but we are still expected to follow rules, and laws
aimed us. Am I the only one that sees something wrong that? Can
someone explain whatever piece of info im missing there???

A fourth point would be the fact that it is just a GAME! In no way is it real, or does it depict real life situations. It is 100% fiction! For example, we will use the incredibly controversial game series, Grand Theft Auto. Now, i once on the news some gameplay to show how "bad" it was. It Grand Theft Auto 3, and the character was driving around in a tank, blowing things up. Now, people are worried about kids reenacting things they see in games...HOW THE HELL WOULD A CHILD GO ABOUT FIRST STEALING A TANK, SECOND KNOWING HOW TO DRIVE IT, AND THIRD START BLOWING ROUNDS WITH THE 100 POUND MISSILES HE COULD NOT EVEN PICK UP!? I think I am missing something there? The news channel made themselves look like complete morons there... Or for instance Fallout 3, how would a child go about obtaining drugs that do NOT even EXIST, get addicted to them without not one person noticing, and then just go get a fake shot to cure him of his addiction?

One time i read a story about a girl saving her family from a turned over car. Now, would you like to know why she did what she did? She pulled them all out quickly, and they all ran to safety. Would you like to know why she did that too? Well, its because she played Grand Theft Auto. In that game, when a car flips over, it starts on fire and eventually explodes. Now, think about what would have happened if she would not have immediately reacted and got them out of the car that DID explode a very SHORT time later. A different story that read was about a man that saved a friends life by preforming first aid that he learned from a GAME. The game is called America's army. He preformed some of the first aid work he learned from playing as a military medic in game to save the mans life! That would be a fifth point, that, sometimes something in a game can help

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Snake_raider"] i mean when i become a parent i wont let my kids play a rated m game when there 5 obviously i dont think anyone will because they dont know anything but when they turn 10 ill let them play what ever they wish.. if your child cant differentiate a rated m video game to life then theres something wrong.. you cant protect your child all the time .. you need them to man up and have some mascunlinity even for a female because what would happen if you didnt let your child see any blood in a video game or some curses.. theyll overreact when they do hear it and start crying or something.. what im saying is that you need to man up your children and kids these days arent dumb to do stuff thats in a video game.. Emogun

Jesus Christ, do you not understand what I said in the post Zidane quoted?

When you are a child, it's not a matter of differentiating between reality and a video game. It's about the level of exposure to the video games. The actual differentiating DOES NOT TRULY HAPPEN UNTIL LATER.

When it does, your ability to tell the difference depends solely upon how much you were exposed to as a child.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT EARLY IN LIFE.

So your trying to say as 12 I shouldnt play these games because when i get older i am going to be able to watch peoples head get chopped off and not even blink. Thats so much bull this is what pisses me off so much about people like you as you talk about kids like me like we are babys I am more mature then alot of adults I know

Do I have to explain every single little aspect of my arguement to you?

Jeez, you'd think someone more "mature" would be able to piece all of this together...

I'm not saying it's definite, and I never did. I'm not saying that every single person who is exposed to these things is going be a murder, because that's not what's going to happen.

I've already said before that it depends on your upbringing.

When parents let their kids play these games, they take that risk. The difference between good parenting and bad parenting is knowing the risks involved with every decision you make.

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Snake_raider"] i mean when i become a parent i wont let my kids play a rated m game when there 5 obviously i dont think anyone will because they dont know anything but when they turn 10 ill let them play what ever they wish.. if your child cant differentiate a rated m video game to life then theres something wrong.. you cant protect your child all the time .. you need them to man up and have some mascunlinity even for a female because what would happen if you didnt let your child see any blood in a video game or some curses.. theyll overreact when they do hear it and start crying or something.. what im saying is that you need to man up your children and kids these days arent dumb to do stuff thats in a video game.. Emogun

Jesus Christ, do you not understand what I said in the post Zidane quoted?

When you are a child, it's not a matter of differentiating between reality and a video game. It's about the level of exposure to the video games. The actual differentiating DOES NOT TRULY HAPPEN UNTIL LATER.

When it does, your ability to tell the difference depends solely upon how much you were exposed to as a child.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT EARLY IN LIFE.

So your trying to say as 12 I shouldnt play these games because when i get older i am going to be able to watch peoples head get chopped off and not even blink. Thats so much bull this is what pisses me off so much about people like you as you talk about kids like me like we are babys I am more mature then alot of adults I know

i completely agree with you, "Oh, honey wait about 5 more years then you can play those games where heads are blown off they say cuss words, there is sex in them" what difference does it make? one day he'll play them and they're just video games!

[QUOTE="Zidaneski"][QUOTE="Snake_raider"] i mean when i become a parent i wont let my kids play a rated m game when there 5 obviously i dont think anyone will because they dont know anything but when they turn 10 ill let them play what ever they wish.. if your child cant differentiate a rated m video game to life then theres something wrong.. you cant protect your child all the time .. you need them to man up and have some mascunlinity even for a female because what would happen if you didnt let your child see any blood in a video game or some curses.. theyll overreact when they do hear it and start crying or something.. what im saying is that you need to man up your children and kids these days arent dumb to do stuff thats in a video game.. Titans23

So when your kid turns 10 you'll say, " Alright I'm tired of parenting you, here's your new parents, they'll teach how the real world is like and how to solve all your problems." If you don't do the parenting up to the point when they are old enough to live without you and make decisions on their own, someone else is gonna make the decisions and take them under their wing for you. What happens with most kids is their parents stop caring around the teenage years and let them hang out with grundgy sniffer down the street.

no offense but you're pathetic... you think letting a kid play rated M games is the same as stopping parenting them, if that's your view then video games mean WAY to much to you, that statement is the most pathetic thing i've read all day

Are you serious?

You're joking, right?

Jesus, you guys are looking at this from an oblivious gamer's perspective and not an open-minded one.

[QUOTE="Emogun"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

Jesus Christ, do you not understand what I said in the post Zidane quoted?

When you are a child, it's not a matter of differentiating between reality and a video game. It's about the level of exposure to the video games. The actual differentiating DOES NOT TRULY HAPPEN UNTIL LATER.

When it does, your ability to tell the difference depends solely upon how much you were exposed to as a child.

THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT EARLY IN LIFE.

Titans23

So your trying to say as 12 I shouldnt play these games because when i get older i am going to be able to watch peoples head get chopped off and not even blink. Thats so much bull this is what pisses me off so much about people like you as you talk about kids like me like we are babys I am more mature then alot of adults I know

i completely agree with you, "Oh, honey wait about 5 more years then you can play those games where heads are blown off they say cuss words, there is sex in them" what difference does it make? one day he'll play them and they're just video games!

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Emogun"]

So your trying to say as 12 I shouldnt play these games because when i get older i am going to be able to watch peoples head get chopped off and not even blink. Thats so much bull this is what pisses me off so much about people like you as you talk about kids like me like we are babys I am more mature then alot of adults I knowScianix-Black

i completely agree with you, "Oh, honey wait about 5 more years then you can play those games where heads are blown off they say cuss words, there is sex in them" what difference does it make? one day he'll play them and they're just video games!

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.

omg what the heck! more experience in life isn't always a good thing, maybe he will start experiencing drugs etc. playing an M rated video game is not the end of the world, so are you saying when your kid understands that shooting someone is a bad thing, you'll let him play a rated M video game? Yeah let your kid try out high school, that's like a rated x game right there, a lot more cursing, theres violence, drugs. Haha are you not going to let your kid go to high school either?Crap i mean even in my 5th grade people were cussing. Idk if your kid will face it but there is a thing called racism to which is worse than a rated M video game. Face it the real world is not much better than a video game...

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Titans23"]

i completely agree with you, "Oh, honey wait about 5 more years then you can play those games where heads are blown off they say cuss words, there is sex in them" what difference does it make? one day he'll play them and they're just video games!

Titans23

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.

omg what the heck! more experience in life isn't always a good thing, maybe he will start experiencing drugs etc. playing an M rated video game is not the end of the world, so are you saying when your kid understands that shooting someone is a bad thing, you'll let him play a rated M video game? Yeah let your kid try out high school, that's like a rated x game right there, a lot more cursing, theres violence, drugs. Haha are you not going to let your kid go to high school either?Crap i mean even in my 5th grade people were cussing. Idk if your kid will face it but there is a thing called racism to which is worse than a rated M video game. Face it the real world is not much better than a video game...

The real world isn't any better, I'll agree.

But if your kid is going to be exposed to it, why would you expose him/her to it in video games on TOP of that?

That's even worst.

lol, what?

Anyway, I'm done.

It was a lovely debate, and you're very much a worthy adversary. :)

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"][QUOTE="Titans23"]

i completely agree with you, "Oh, honey wait about 5 more years then you can play those games where heads are blown off they say cuss words, there is sex in them" what difference does it make? one day he'll play them and they're just video games!

Titans23

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.

omg what the heck! more experience in life isn't always a good thing, maybe he will start experiencing drugs etc. playing an M rated video game is not the end of the world, so are you saying when your kid understands that shooting someone is a bad thing, you'll let him play a rated M video game? Yeah let your kid try out high school, that's like a rated x game right there, a lot more cursing, theres violence, drugs. Haha are you not going to let your kid go to high school either?Crap i mean even in my 5th grade people were cussing. Idk if your kid will face it but there is a thing called racism to which is worse than a rated M video game. Face it the real world is not much better than a video game...

That is exactly how i feel and lets see lets look up Gta4 on esrb.com rated m for Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol well start with instense violence i see much worse in pg-13 movies, next blood Ive seen more on CSI, strong language at school i hear more uses of the "F-bomb" then every other adjective in the world combined, Strong sexual content seen worse on VH1 or MTV same goes for partial nudity, and use of drugs in alchohal well living in the harione capital of the USA ive seen so many ppl screwed up from drugs in real life much more then GTA and I have seen much more uses of drugs like they are good on movies flipping through the channels GTA 4 is just a compil of all that and thats why ppl hate it because it is a game. I cannot look up my homework without coming across porn. But do my parents worry about that as much as the fact that i go to my cousins and play GTA and see these pixils in a car but not really seeing anything.No.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.Emogun

omg what the heck! more experience in life isn't always a good thing, maybe he will start experiencing drugs etc. playing an M rated video game is not the end of the world, so are you saying when your kid understands that shooting someone is a bad thing, you'll let him play a rated M video game? Yeah let your kid try out high school, that's like a rated x game right there, a lot more cursing, theres violence, drugs. Haha are you not going to let your kid go to high school either?Crap i mean even in my 5th grade people were cussing. Idk if your kid will face it but there is a thing called racism to which is worse than a rated M video game. Face it the real world is not much better than a video game...

That is exactly how i feel and lets see lets look up Gta4 on esrb.com rated m for Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol well start with instense violence i see much worse in pg-13 movies, next blood Ive seen more on CSI, strong language at school i hear more uses of the "F-bomb" then every other adjective in the world combined, Strong sexual content seen worse on VH1 or MTV same goes for partial nudity, and use of drugs in alchohal well living in the harione capital of the USA ive seen so many ppl screwed up from drugs in real life much more then GTA and I have seen much more uses of drugs like they are good on movies flipping through the channels GTA 4 is just a compil of all that and thats why ppl hate it because it is a game. I cannot look up my homework without coming across porn. But do my parents worry about that as much as the fact that i go to my cousins and play GTA and see these pixils in a car but not really seeing anything.No.

I believe that the M rating is an entirely appropriate rating for Grand Theft Auto 4. It's didn't present that content pervasively (Compared to most shooters), but remember who you are playing as, a criminal that does his services for others, many of which are illegal, and acts that you can commit (Many however are usually optional), such as beating civilians, robbing, deception, prostitution and many others. I believe games should be rated by behavior visible in the game, some games such as Call of Duty 4 has violence comparable to some of the previous games, but there are actions you can perform which are gruesome, such as snap dogs necks, one part where you blow a man's arm off with a .50 caliber rifle, and pretty violent headshots (though not gory, still pretty brutal). Another you may think shouldn't receive an M rating, Ninty Nine nights for the Xbox 360, with large battles similar to Dynasty Warriors, Bloodless battles, but some parts of the game will allow you to slaughter civilians from towns including those with children, which would cause some to churn a bit in their stomach even if it does not look gory.

Alright well i am obsessed over getting a PS3 for christmas. I am asking for the 80 gig ps3 and extra duelshock 3 controller and LPB and MGS4. First of all is this all i should ask for since i do want a nice multiplayer game for the family to play with me along with an awesome game like MGS4. That is 575$ altogether probably a break for my dad from the 1 grand laptop i got last year. But also i usually get about 180$ I guess the main question here is what i should buy with that money. Please no GTA4 since I am 12 and i would not be alowed to get it but MGS4 is fine and i could probably push in resistence 2 but not like fallout 3. So please tell me what i should get right now i am thinking about Valkyria chronicles and uncharted drakes fourtune thank you for your time please reply.Emogun

lucky kid! ain't your fault though... good for you. yeah, you can get the 80 GB or the limited edition 180 GB uncharted bundle since your pops can afford it... as for games, i think valkyria chronicles will be good for you, get resistance too... and there are also a lot of shooters if your into it... try checking out the reviews of all the games, especially the old ones... they are also available in greatest hits which are a lot cheaper, like resistance 1, assassin's creed, etc... it's gonna be a very merry christmas!!! ...hope you got a big HDTV as well. welcome to the ps3 universe! sorry xbots and wiiklings... we got this kid ohn our team!

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

One day he'll play the, yeah.

But I'd rather that one day be later on when he's had more experience in life and better knows the difference between right and wrong.

Until then, video games is just an influence.Emogun

omg what the heck! more experience in life isn't always a good thing, maybe he will start experiencing drugs etc. playing an M rated video game is not the end of the world, so are you saying when your kid understands that shooting someone is a bad thing, you'll let him play a rated M video game? Yeah let your kid try out high school, that's like a rated x game right there, a lot more cursing, theres violence, drugs. Haha are you not going to let your kid go to high school either?Crap i mean even in my 5th grade people were cussing. Idk if your kid will face it but there is a thing called racism to which is worse than a rated M video game. Face it the real world is not much better than a video game...

That is exactly how i feel and lets see lets look up Gta4 on esrb.com rated m for Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol well start with instense violence i see much worse in pg-13 movies, next blood Ive seen more on CSI, strong language at school i hear more uses of the "F-bomb" then every other adjective in the world combined, Strong sexual content seen worse on VH1 or MTV same goes for partial nudity, and use of drugs in alchohal well living in the harione capital of the USA ive seen so many ppl screwed up from drugs in real life much more then GTA and I have seen much more uses of drugs like they are good on movies flipping through the channels GTA 4 is just a compil of all that and thats why ppl hate it because it is a game. I cannot look up my homework without coming across porn. But do my parents worry about that as much as the fact that i go to my cousins and play GTA and see these pixils in a car but not really seeing anything.No.

CSI is not PG-13. It is TV-14 -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_rating_system#United_States

There is a fine line between a PG-13 movie and an R-rated one. I'll suggest Hitman(the movie), 300. compare them to your Transformers, The Incredible hulk and Ironman. There is a clear difference in content.

On Topic. If you like racing games, Get Gran turismo 5 Prologue and Motorstorm: PR. Motorstorm: PR supports 4 player split screen.

[QUOTE="kris9031998"]if you are a multiplayer addict then get resistance 2. if you can get COD 4 or 5 try it.Emogun

I am a multiplayer addict so much of a thrill killing the most people on your team but i dont really get into the COD games for some reason

lucky kid! ain't your fault though... good for you. yeah, you can get the 80 GB or the limited edition 180 GB uncharted bundle since your pops can afford it... as for games, i think valkyria chronicles will be good for you, get resistance too... and there are also a lot of shooters if your into it... try checking out the reviews of all the games, especially the old ones... they are also available in greatest hits which are a lot cheaper, like resistance 1, assassin's creed, etc... it's gonna be a very merry christmas!!! ...hope you got a big HDTV as well. welcome to the ps3 universe! sorry xbots and wiiklings... we got this kid ohn our team!

taplok

Lol.I was thinking about assassins creed since i played it at my little sisters friends house with her dad and it was pretty fun but I only played about an hour of it and i hear that the game gets very repetitive.Is this true if anyone can answer without going into how spoiled i am.

[QUOTE="taplok"]

lucky kid! ain't your fault though... good for you. yeah, you can get the 80 GB or the limited edition 180 GB uncharted bundle since your pops can afford it... as for games, i think valkyria chronicles will be good for you, get resistance too... and there are also a lot of shooters if your into it... try checking out the reviews of all the games, especially the old ones... they are also available in greatest hits which are a lot cheaper, like resistance 1, assassin's creed, etc... it's gonna be a very merry christmas!!! ...hope you got a big HDTV as well. welcome to the ps3 universe! sorry xbots and wiiklings... we got this kid ohn our team!

Emogun

Lol.I was thinking about assassins creed since i played it at my little sisters friends house with her dad and it was pretty fun but I only played about an hour of it and i hear that the game gets very repetitive.Is this true if anyone can answer without going into how spoiled i am.

lucky kid! ain't your fault though... good for you. yeah, you can get the 80 GB or the limited edition 180 GB uncharted bundle since your pops can afford it... as for games, i think valkyria chronicles will be good for you, get resistance too... and there are also a lot of shooters if your into it... try checking out the reviews of all the games, especially the old ones... they are also available in greatest hits which are a lot cheaper, like resistance 1, assassin's creed, etc... it's gonna be a very merry christmas!!! ...hope you got a big HDTV as well. welcome to the ps3 universe! sorry xbots and wiiklings... we got this kid ohn our team!

Lol.I was thinking about assassins creed since i played it at my little sisters friends house with her dad and it was pretty fun but I only played about an hour of it and i hear that the game gets very repetitive.Is this true if anyone can answer without going into how spoiled i am.

[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="Emogun"]

Lol.I was thinking about assassins creed since i played it at my little sisters friends house with her dad and it was pretty fun but I only played about an hour of it and i hear that the game gets very repetitive.Is this true if anyone can answer without going into how spoiled i am.Emogun

don't get assassin's creed, rent it it's a great game to be rented because yes you do the same thing over and over and yes you will put the controller down, so i say rent it because you can beat it in a week

Well i never played 1 but i'm getting 2 for christmas! and idk if it matters to you but idc about storylines in FPS mostly i care about the online play so i wouldn't get both if i were you

[QUOTE="Emogun"][QUOTE="Titans23"]

don't get assassin's creed, rent it it's a great game to be rented because yes you do the same thing over and over and yes you will put the controller down, so i say rent it because you can beat it in a week

Titans23

Well i never played 1 but i'm getting 2 for christmas! and idk if it matters to you but idc about storylines in FPS mostly i care about the online play so i wouldn't get both if i were you