God of War III can't just be GoW:HD

Even though we've only seen a CGI trailer, its a pretty safe bet that the new GoW game will be among the best visual packages this gen. I hope that theyre progression won't end there.

With games like DMC4, Socom:Confrontation and Silent Hill:Homecoming they were really only just graphical enhancements on virtually the same games. Other than pleasing the die hard fans, they really did nothing new and I hope this isnt the case for the new GoW, a flagship for the PS3.

What would be something new you'd like implemented,, other than the inevitable quick time sequences which will likely integrate the sixaxis controls.

- I think Co-Op is a must. They need to allow for a multiplayer experience, whether offline or online. For something that was so big 15 years ago, coop action games are basically extinct.

- some kind of online mode would be cool, but a room full of Kratos clones hackin and slashing could get old if not done properly .

what suggestions would you have for the next GoW, hopefully released in 09' 

DMC4 added an entirely new character...how can you say it's only graphical enhancements.

I know what you're getting at though. A lot of games took some poor first steps into the new gen. God of War hasn't really changed much over the years. The 2 on PS2 and the 1 for PSP all stick with the same formula. They are definitely out to up the ante though. But I also expected them to with other Sony games like Socom...and it disappointed. Either way this is Sony's big name now, and I don't think they've ever let it end up a letdown.

I'm always highly critical of Sony, and besides replay value, no God of War has ever disappointed me.

Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!rogerjak

I meant mostly online co-op. You could maybe even have much bigger grand scale battles, where theres like 4-8 user controlled 'Kratos' types that need to take down an army. Come on, that sounds incredible

Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!rogerjak

Why not, they need to do something. I wouldn't pay 40$ for the PSP God of War because you can beat it in 3-4 hours...The PS2 games were no different...anywhere from 7-8 hours.

That doesn't hack it anymore when we pay 60$ a game. Trophies definitely help, but they need to find a way to get replay value out of the series.

DMC4 added an entirely new character...how can you say it's only graphical enhancements.

I know what you're getting at though. A lot of games took some poor first steps into the new gen. God of War hasn't really changed much over the years. The 2 on PS2 and the 1 for PSP all stick with the same formula. They are definitely out to up the ante though. But I also expected them to with other Sony games like Socom...and it disappointed. Either way this is Sony's big name now, and I don't think they've ever let it end up a letdown.

I'm always highly critical of Sony, and besides replay value, no God of War has ever disappointed me.

Mau-Justice

calling Nero a 'new' character is kinda exaggerating. He looks and fights basically exactly the same as Dante other than the demon arm. They couldve at least made him look even a little different. I liked DMC4, but I think its really no improvement on DMC3 other than in graphics. 

I will be happy if it looks and plays similar to God of War II and just picks up the awesome where the awesome left off. Other uneccessary things can hurt the beautiful formula and take away form the experience if not handled well. I will be ok with a God of War 2.5. (like Gears 1.5)

Just give me moar ! rawr !

Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!rogerjak

It seems that every game nowadays needs to have online play but not every game can, I don't see how it will work with games like Prince of Persia and God of War. It is like the game 8 days where it got cancelled because lack of online components, seriously there are games out there that don't have online play and doing great, I believe Bioshock is an example of that.

I'm starting to feel that single player games are becoming things of the past, with gamers more interested in online play, this is not targeting you TC it is just my opinion on how people look at games nowadays

God of War doesn't need to change much, if at all, IMO.  Most of us big GoW fans wouldn't like anything but GoW as we know it and love it.

Tweaking and small adds are one thing, but to borrow a phrase from Cliffy B, all I want in GoW3 is for it to be bigger, better, and more badass.

I want bigger fights, more badass bosses and weapons, more story, and for it to look, play, and sound awesome.

That = me, and the majority of GoW fans, happy.

If the game come out this time next year, it would have been almost 3-4 year in development, I have no doubt in my mind that is will be an incredible game.

God of War doesn't need to change much, if at all, IMO.  Most of us big GoW fans wouldn't like anything but GoW as we know it and love it.

Tweaking and small adds are one thing, but to borrow a phrase from Cliffy B, all I want in GoW3 is for it to be bigger, better, and more badass.

I want bigger fights, more badass bosses and weapons, more story, and for it to look, play, and sound awesome.

That = me, and the majority of GoW fans, happy.

nyc05

I played and loved all GoW games, but considering the amount of time between the annoucement of the game E3 08, and the eventual late 09 early 2010 release... its gotta be a lot more on offer than just more of the same with better graphics. I think online and offline coop modes would be amazing. The best part of Heavenly Sword was those HUUGE battles (which were far too short, like the game itself). I think GoW3 needs more of that stuff instead of just random battles disposing of a small set of characters. If GoW3 was coming out around march, id be fine with GoW 2.5,,, but for the amount of time involved I expect a little more.

I'll buy it either way, but id much rather get a MGS4 experience where im left with a feeling that the past MGS games dont quite play the same rather than DMC or even GTA when playing the old games feels pretty much the same.

If the game come out this time next year, it would have been almost 3-4 year in development, I have no doubt in my mind that is will be an incredible game.

gameruk2010

unfortunately nay. I saw a post E3 interview with Jack tretton (announced GOW3) saying the game hadnt even really begun production. And this was in July. For this reason i think GoW3 will be March 2010 release, which blows. Why announce game way before release?

God of War doesn't need to change much, if at all, IMO.  Most of us big GoW fans wouldn't like anything but GoW as we know it and love it.

Tweaking and small adds are one thing, but to borrow a phrase from Cliffy B, all I want in GoW3 is for it to be bigger, better, and more badass.

I want bigger fights, more badass bosses and weapons, more story, and for it to look, play, and sound awesome.

That = me, and the majority of GoW fans, happy.

nyc05

For the ones that what online component in GOW3... I will tell you why not.

GOW3 will be the last game (i think) in one hell of a trilogy. Anything that takes attention OFF THE SINGLE PLAYER should not be there. SECOND. How the hell are they going to make a co-op mode make any sense in the GOW universe? Srsly Kratos is a lonely SOB that doesn't like people and all of a sudden we see him TEAMING UP WITH SOME GUY, with god like powers just like him and they go in a killing date. Srsly it will not WORK.

The only possible scenario right now is he teaming up with a God from Olympus...but still...

Plus only deathmatches with random guy with God-like powers? It will not work either. GOW is a Single Player experience and adding online would ruin it. 

And to the people that think GOW needs Online for replay value...you sires are not true fans.

EDIT : what i want in GOW3 is : Massive battlefields, bigger enemies, no online and a great closure to an already story.

[QUOTE="gameruk2010"]

If the game come out this time next year, it would have been almost 3-4 year in development, I have no doubt in my mind that is will be an incredible game.

signore

unfortunately nay. I saw a post E3 interview with Jack tretton (announced GOW3) saying the game hadnt even really begun production. And this was in July. For this reason i think GoW3 will be March 2010 release, which blows. Why announce game way before release?

For the ones that what online component in GOW3... I will tell you why not.

GOW3 will be the last game (i think) in one hell of a trilogy. Anything that takes attention OFF THE SINGLE PLAYER should not be there. SECOND. How the hell are they going to make a co-op mode make any sense in the GOW universe? Srsly Kratos is a lonely SOB that doesn't like people and all of a sudden we see him TEAMING UP WITH SOME GUY, with god like powers just like him and they go in a killing date. Srsly it will not WORK.

The only possible scenario right now is he teaming up with a God from Olympus...but still...

Plus only deathmatches with random guy with God-like powers? It will not work either. GOW is a Single Player experience and adding online would ruin it. 

And to the people that think GOW needs Online for replay value...you sires are not true fans.

rogerjak

I also think a deathmatch type situation would be pretty crap... maybe some objective like missions could work but this isnt what i meant.

If they added online/offline coop modes it wouldnt disrupt the single player in the slightest. R2 (from what i hear), Gears 2 and most other Coop games play great both ways, and the single player experience is never sacrificed. It would just be another option thats there, for people interested and I know a lot of people would (after theyve beaten single player campaign alone).They would just up the ante in coop with more enemies, and incorporate some teamwork elements. I have no clue how you say this could be a bad thing. R2, Gears 2 etc all play well alone as well.

Im sure they could work it into the story somehow to have a partner, maybe even a she-kratos haha (ie Nariko).

[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="gameruk2010"]

If the game come out this time next year, it would have been almost 3-4 year in development, I have no doubt in my mind that is will be an incredible game.

Nike_Air

unfortunately nay. I saw a post E3 interview with Jack tretton (announced GOW3) saying the game hadnt even really begun production. And this was in July. For this reason i think GoW3 will be March 2010 release, which blows. Why announce game way before release?

more like an act of desperation then anything. Sonys two released games (MAG and GoW3) will likely not be out until 2010.. that blows.

For the ones that what online component in GOW3... I will tell you why not.

GOW3 will be the last game (i think) in one hell of a trilogy. Anything that takes attention OFF THE SINGLE PLAYER should not be there. SECOND. How the hell are they going to make a co-op mode make any sense in the GOW universe? Srsly Kratos is a lonely SOB that doesn't like people and all of a sudden we see him TEAMING UP WITH SOME GUY, with god like powers just like him and they go in a killing date. Srsly it will not WORK.

The only possible scenario right now is he teaming up with a God from Olympus...but still...

Plus only deathmatches with random guy with God-like powers? It will not work either. GOW is a Single Player experience and adding online would ruin it.

And to the people that think GOW needs Online for replay value...you sires are not true fans.

EDIT : what i want in GOW3 is : Massive battlefields, bigger enemies, no online and a great closure to an already story.

rogerjak

I was disappointed with DMC4, with all the backtracking and mostly the story. As for GOW 3 I think they need to focus on making the story longer, I beat the first one around 6 hours on my first playthrough but I enjoyed it, I haven't played the 2nd or the prequel on the PSP because I was interested in other games.

It seems that every game nowadays needs to have online play but not every game can, I don't see how it will work with games like Prince of Persia and God of War. It is like the game 8 days where it got cancelled because lack of online components, seriously there are games out there that don't have online play and doing great, I believe Bioshock is an example of that.

I'm starting to feel that single player games are becoming things of the past, with gamers more interested in online play, this is not targeting you TC it is just my opinion on how people look at games nowadays

Star650

if you meant reception wise then yes,,, but sales wise BioShock has been an absolute disaster for the PS3. Dropped out of top 50 after one week (and it debuted at like 40). Thats what you get when you release a year old port $20 more than on other consoles with no improvements * off topic, sorry *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0dxpBp85A

I don't for one second believe producation has began this year, IMO this is by far Sony biggest and best system seller. it just dont make sense. plus i read on David Jaffe's blog long time ago that he saw the game in action and was really impressed.

[QUOTE="Star650"]I was disappointed with DMC4, with all the backtracking and mostly the story. As for GOW 3 I think they need to focus on making the story longer, I beat the first one around 6 hours on my first playthrough but I enjoyed it, I haven't played the 2nd or the prequel on the PSP because I was interested in other games.

It seems that every game nowadays needs to have online play but not every game can, I don't see how it will work with games like Prince of Persia and God of War. It is like the game 8 days where it got cancelled because lack of online components, seriously there are games out there that don't have online play and doing great, I believe Bioshock is an example of that.

I'm starting to feel that single player games are becoming things of the past, with gamers more interested in online play, this is not targeting you TC it is just my opinion on how people look at games nowadays

signore

if you meant reception wise then yes,,, but sales wise BioShock has been an absolute disaster for the PS3. Dropped out of top 50 after one week (and it debuted at like 40). Thats what you get when you release a year old port $20 more than on other consoles with no improvements * off topic, sorry *

Yes, I completely agree.

Why would Sony be feeling desperate ? They were pimping LittleBigPlanet , Resistance 2 , Motorstorm 2 , Wipeout HD , and Socom Confrontation for this year ...... Killzone 2 and Infamous for the firat half of 2009. Dey got games , son.

Here's the problem - people expect far too much out of a sequel.

The fact is that once a game franchise gets several games in, people start to expect too much.  If the game changes too much then the dedicated base tends to get upset.  If the developers make what everyone loved before with a couple of improvements then people get mad and say that it's "too much of the same".

DMC4 suffered from this very problem.  People expected something totally new, which was unreasonable.  DMC4 was a new entry in an existing series, and should be just that - an extension of the series with a few improvements/additions.

Here's an example - they added Nero, who played very different from Dante, and what did people do?  They complained that they didn't get to play as Dante enough!

This is a very tricky spot for devs.  It's a bit of a "pick your poison" type of thing.  If they add/change too much, they're gonna piss some people off, and if they make the same game that we know and love they're also going to piss people off.

I respect your thoughts, and I understand what you're saying, we just disagree on what we want out of GoW3.

I want God of War 3 to be true to God of War.  I don't want online play.  I don't want co-op. I don't want to play as another character. I don't want Kratos hovering around in a jetpack.  I just want to play as the badass that is Kratos, destroying everyone in my path in a bloody fashion on route to an epic boss fight, mixed with killer story sequences in between, capped by an incredible final scene to end the trilogy.

Rest assured that GoW3 is going to be a badass game, just don't expect any wild changes because I doubt (and hope) that there are going to be any.

Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!rogerjak

I don't understand your point. You don't HAVE to play a game's online portion! If you don't like it, don't play it. Period. But at least, when there is one, everybody is happy, including people who, like me, won't buy a game that's offline only.

[QUOTE="rogerjak"]Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!QuebecSuperstar

I don't understand your point. You don't HAVE to play a game's online portion! If you don't like it, don't play it. Period. But at least, when there is one, everybody is happy, including people who, like me, won't buy a game that's offline only.

I'm also pushing for more multiplayer offline mode and also i would like to see in no order

1. Longer gameplay. if this is another 15 hrs and then i'll wait just like i did 1 and 2 and so,body let me know when the PSP game is $17.99 used at gamestop.

2.improved context mini games( u know what i mean)

3.better sub weapons

4. better pacing( the action stops to much for puzzles)

5. great locations

6. even more and crazier mini/big/god boss battles

7. In Game music(after u beat the game the 1st time, playing ur own music will give the game more life)

[QUOTE="QuebecSuperstar"]

[QUOTE="rogerjak"]Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!Nike_Air

I don't understand your point. You don't HAVE to play a game's online portion! If you don't like it, don't play it. Period. But at least, when there is one, everybody is happy, including people who, like me, won't buy a game that's offline only.

QuebecSuperstar, people like you have the right to exist and I don't hate you for that, in fact I appreciate a good online game. But there are so many games out there with online and co-op why would you want GOW to have co-op just because people like you, that already have more than enough games to play, would buy it? Why would you ruin the SP lovers fun just because YOu want online?

Nike_air is right.

Here's the problem - people expect far too much out of a sequel.

The fact is that once a game franchise gets several games in, people start to expect too much.  If the game changes too much then the dedicated base tends to get upset.  If the developers make what everyone loved before with a couple of improvements then people get mad and say that it's "too much of the same".

DMC4 suffered from this very problem.  People expected something totally new, which was unreasonable.  DMC4 was a new entry in an existing series, and should be just that - an extension of the series with a few improvements/additions.

Here's an example - they added Nero, who played very different from Dante, and what did people do?  They complained that they didn't get to play as Dante enough!

This is a very tricky spot for devs.  It's a bit of a "pick your poison" type of thing.  If they add/change too much, they're gonna piss some people off, and if they make the same game that we know and love they're also going to piss people off.

I respect your thoughts, and I understand what you're saying, we just disagree on what we want out of GoW3.

I want God of War 3 to be true to God of War.  I don't want online play.  I don't want co-op. I don't want to play as another character. I don't want Kratos hovering around in a jetpack.  I just want to play as the badass that is Kratos, destroying everyone in my path in a bloody fashion on route to an epic boss fight, mixed with killer story sequences in between, capped by an incredible final scene to end the trilogy.

Rest assured that GoW3 is going to be a badass game, just don't expect any wild changes because I doubt (and hope) that there are going to be any.

nyc05

I agree to a certain degree about expectations on sequels. But here's my point, this a new gen console. R2 and Gears 2 did little new, and were basically just expansions on the original and everybody was happy. But when you make the leap to a new console, only updating the graphics isnt really enough for people other than diehards. The last God of War game came out almost 4 years before I assume the third will... additions are natural to happen, and not just visually. Hell, GoW2 looks as good as some PS3 games as is.

God of War could use an evolution not really a revolution. Look at MGS4, it plays a lot better and smoother than past games, same with GTA (the shooting and cover gameplay at least). God of war has great gameplay as is, but I'd hope that the games world is a bit bigger and less invisible wars. Huge grand scale battles are also a necessity.

an online co-op sounds pretty awesome to me, like I said,,, controlling 4-8 Kratos types in VERY large scale battles is something I dont know why anybody would be against. Theyll save the jetpacks for the 4th

Take Stranglehold and The Darkness for example. Clearly single player games that didn't need multiplayer , but they added a mode just for a bullet point for people like yourself to get people to "buy" it. They were pretty mediocre at best , something not meant to sustain itself online. They could have used those resources to make the already good single player games even better and longer.

 

Nike_Air

I don't agree with you, at all.

First of all, those online experiences were not mediocre, you found them mediocre. I never tried Stranglehold's online play but I quite enjoyed The Darkness'.

And even if they were mediocre, at least they are there! I'd rather play a game's poor online play than playing the same single campaign over and over again to justify my $70 purchase.

Secondly, I don't think having a team work on a game's online portion alters the overall quality of a game. Resistance (86%), Resistance 2 (88%), Metal Gear Solid 4 (92%), Call of Duty 4 (93.7%), Grand Theft Auto 4 (97.4%), Saints Row 2 (83.8%), Far Cry 2 (85.6%), Battlefield: Bad Company (84.9%) all received critical acclaim and they all featured online play. And I'm pretty sure those games' devs were not limited by the addition of online play.

* GameRankings scores

Exactly.

QuebecSuperstar, people like you have the right to exist and I don't hate you for that, in fact I appreciate a good online game. But there are so many games out there with online and co-op why would you want GOW to have co-op just because people like you, that already have more than enough games to play, would buy it? Why would you ruin the SP lovers fun just because YOu want online?

Nike_air is right.

rogerjak

Thank you for acknowledging that! :|

But anyway, as I just wrote, I don't think adding online play to a game limits developers. And even if it did, I highly doubt the game would be so different that it would "ruin" it. Come on!

God of War doesn't need to change much, if at all, IMO.  Most of us big GoW fans wouldn't like anything but GoW as we know it and love it.

Tweaking and small adds are one thing, but to borrow a phrase from Cliffy B, all I want in GoW3 is for it to be bigger, better, and more badass.

I want bigger fights, more badass bosses and weapons, more story, and for it to look, play, and sound awesome.

That = me, and the majority of GoW fans, happy.

nyc05

Exactly. That's all a sequel ever really needs to be. If you wanted something new then you wouldn't buy a sequel would you? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 

Online in GOW series? No. Just NO!rogerjak

I think if GoW3 is released with online leaderboards and trophies, that will be more than good enough. I agree with what others have said. The game isn't meant to be a co-op game, despite the imaginative possibilities suggested. It's just that Kratos' story is one of banishment, betrayal and loneliness, and it wouldn't be true to the nature of the game to make it co-op. Part of Kratos' power is his determination to succeed even when the odds are stacked against him and he's got no one to count on. GoW is a revenge story, like the Count of Monte Cristo. The revenge belongs to Kratos and Kratos alone.

GoW3 should be fantastic without having too many major changes to it. MGS4 is a perfect example of a PS2 title making the transition into a PS3 game.They didn't have to make any crazy changes to the game. The biggest thrills for me with MGS4, aside from the story, were the enhanced visuals, sounds, and music provided by the PS3, making the experience more exciting and immersive. Gow3 can do the same thing and be a huge hit.

GoW3 should be fantastic without having too many major changes to it. MGS4 is a perfect example of a PS2 title making the transition into a PS3 game.They didn't have to make any crazy changes to the game. The biggest thrills for me with MGS4, aside from the story, were the enhanced visuals, sounds, and music provided by the PS3, making the experience more exciting and immersive. Gow3 can do the same thing and be a huge hit.

 Xepheon

And they had an online aspect that was completely different from the main campaign, but still worked well with the story and made sense.

You can't really do that with GoW3.

I still think it shouldn't. Just like Online co-op in MGS4 would be wrong.rogerjak

I would hate if God Of War 3 had online features. That would take away from single player and it wouldn't be fun at all. I just want more God Of War but it would be awesome if they added more moves and way more things, just like the transition from 1 to 2. A lot of changes but nothing game breaking.Chaos_Bladez

I agree I want more of the same just bigger and more awesome 

I don't think online for God of War wouldn't go at all that great. I'm fine with co-op and what I want to see added to the game is for it not to be a big button masher as always. They should also make some more gory combos. filiwian

This is what God of war is

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[] [] /\ (Etc)

A door! O O O O O O O O O

A boss! O X [] /\ X O /\ []

MEDUSA!  Analog spin

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What your wanting

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[] /\ up down O [] X up left R2 L2

A Door! O O O Down up left right [] [] /\ O X X X UP UP (Analog spin)

A boss! O X /\ /\ /\ X X O R1+R2+R3+X+O+[] /\ /\ /\ /\ Analog full spin left left up down right down

Medusa! While trying to come up with an intricate combo for this I thought of something that could be cool. Using 2 analog sticks to kill the medusa.

Thats what I think your saying

I took some offscreen shots yesterday.
Looks really good on TV.
The final retail version will look better certainly.

But the E3 build is....already looking impressive

Here they are.

Way to bump a year old thread.