God shall smite upon Sony

Why the hell do they put in extra trophies when there's downloadable content for games? All it does is leave the trophy whores dissapointed, not wanting to finish the game (in most cases). It really doesn't boost up any sales, excerpt for that one guy that throws money everywhere who'll buy it to get 100%, so why do it?

I'm not really much of a trophy whore, but when I want a game finished, I want to finish it a hundred percent...then why can't they just leave all the in-game trophies filling up the 100% and the extras being over 100%? Like if they add twenty trophies for a DLC and trophies go up to 140% completion or something. Or....or they could make it so that only those who have the DLC will be able to see those additional trophies...or else they don't really matter do they?

I'm literally about to throw my damn controller at the TV. Next generation I'll switch up to a brand that actually knows gaming/gamers.

So, you are upset about the changing percentages when DLC is added to games?

Well, it's only fair that gamers that buy the DLC get the 100%. I don't buy much DLC, but if it bothers you so much, don't look at the percentage, just know you did it and be happy.

Besides, DLC trophies have little icons on them to let anyone know you completed the game 100%, you just didnt' buy DLC.

Remember, Achievements, Trophies, and such are marketing gimmicks in the end. It helps some gamers buy or rent games they would usually skip over. It's been working on the rival console for years. If the lowering percentage bothers you, that's because the gimmick is working.

Let it go, or go buy the DLC to get a higher percentage.

Someone that owns the same game as you but also invested money to buy DLC deserves to have more trophies/achievements. He/She/It must be a super fan, and the way I see it more power to them.,

Gamers that buy DLC probably feel just as entitled as you do about the percentage. Just so you know, devs that make games, they do this on other machines. This isn't a specific Sony related issue, but more an industry issue. The Trophies/Achievements for the DLC are named and ready to go, it wouldn't be fair if only some machines got those extra achievements/trohpies, and not PS3 gamers.

Between both scenarios, the scenario we are in where Sony gives gamers DLC options with Trophies the other consoles getis the best option.

It sucks for people who want to get 100% and Platinums. I feel the same way towards online trophies. I believe Platinum trophies should be awarded for offline only. I never play online so I know I will never have the opportunity to get a plat on many of the games I own. It's easy, just make the dlc/online trophies extra. Why should those of us that don't/can't play online not get in on the platinum fun?

I think you mean "smite" upon Sony? :P I wouldn't mind if the trophy percentage didn't change until AFTER you bought the DLC, but the way you can platinum a game and be at about 70% completion, just because there's DLC that you don't even own out there - that's just plain stupid.

A lot of my games are completed with 30%-40% trophies... And, I could care less. I know I finished the game. That's 100% to me.

:lol:

Trophies don't mean ****.

A lot of my games are completed with 30%-40% trophies... And, I could care less. I know I finished the game. That's 100% to me.

:lol:

Trophies don't mean ****.

MonkeySpot

i've been sayin it for years, DLC is the worst thing to happen to videogames since online multiplayer.. all it does is ruin the experience, make certin players feel left out, and cost u more money.. i can't express in enough words how much i hate it. :(

First of all, I hope this is partly a joke post. If not, that's just sad.

Secondly, DLC trophies don't count toward the platinum. I've platinumed plenty of games without grabbing the DLC.

Third, your trophy list willstill say 100% completed. Just click on the trophy list and you'll see the list is divided between the actual game's list, and whatever DLC trophy lists there are. True, it'll still probably read 83% or so overall due to DLC trophy lists reading 0% factored in and divided but if you have the platinum, then people will obviously know you 100% the initial game.

Really? Of all the crap we've had to put up with this generation, you're biggest problem is the trophy percentage? Who cares about trohpies? They're worthless.

The thing that bothers me about trophies is that it's the only thing that Sony has forced devs to adapt. Of all the demands, that's the one that can't be denied. There are so many other useful features they could demand, why that? Hell, they should demand that publishers actually produce decent ports to the ps3, I'd much rather play a decent port than earn 100% trophies for a broken game.

Where are your priorities?

I havent been smithed on in soo long, Man I miss it, felt soo good.

actually it does leave it. if u know what to press. go to ur trophies, press square, and ur game trophy list will split. those that are extra cuz of dlcs will beseparated. for example, my killzone 3 is 100%, cuz of dlcs it went to 89% ( although i have all the dlcs lol) now in trophy section i pressed square, and it divided the trophies. shows 100% for the game, and the dlc part gets divided into another % bar......i hope i made some sense lol

Trophies are a Pavlovian trigger. If you don't know who Pavlov was, google it. Essentially, they are using a little bell to get you to think it's feeding time, to get your inner gamer to salivate on command, and any higher-functioning human being should see right through this sham for what it is: A trick to trigger a response... In this case, to get you to "need" to buy the DLC to "finish" the game. It's a load of trickery designed to make you respond a certain way (spending more money), and I agree completely with Shang on this one. DLC is the true Devil sitting in judgement of gamers today.

Unless you really enjoy the game and want more of it for the simple pleasure of the game experience, DON'T be fooled by trophies - They give you nothing, ultimately. If trophies equated to some sort of psuedo-monetary exchange (get plats and they eventually add up to free DLC, or a mini, even) then I would be all over it. But they're not worth spit unless you're trying to avoid being socially ostracized on a grade-school playground. And really, who bends to that idiotic pressure?

You're all smarter than that!

(And - Well-put, Shang).

;)

A lot of my games are completed with 30%-40% trophies... And, I could care less. I know I finished the game. That's 100% to me.

:lol:

Trophies don't mean ****.

MonkeySpot

This.

Also I'm fairly sure that you'll still get the platnium if you earn all of the games original trophies, even if you don't have 100%.

i've been sayin it for years, DLC is the worst thing to happen to videogames since online multiplayer.. all it does is ruin the experience, make certin players feel left out, and cost u more money.. i can't express in enough words how much i hate it. :(

ShangTsung17

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

I'm too busy actually enjoying the games to care about the trophy percentages.

[QUOTE="ShangTsung17"]

i've been sayin it for years, DLC is the worst thing to happen to videogames since online multiplayer.. all it does is ruin the experience, make certin players feel left out, and cost u more money.. i can't express in enough words how much i hate it. :(

worlock77

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

It sucks for people who want to get 100% and Platinums. I feel the same way towards online trophies. I believe Platinum trophies should be awarded for offline only. I never play online so I know I will never have the opportunity to get a plat on many of the games I own. It's easy, just make the dlc/online trophies extra. Why should those of us that don't/can't play online not get in on the platinum fun?

Namgis

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShangTsung17"]

i've been sayin it for years, DLC is the worst thing to happen to videogames since online multiplayer.. all it does is ruin the experience, make certin players feel left out, and cost u more money.. i can't express in enough words how much i hate it. :(

LeifLongbottom

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

I didn't say it's the worst thing ever, for my own part... What I said is that the tactics for creating a market are a bit underhanded. Not to everyone, certainly, but the way it effects some gamers, it's a bit dubious in my opinion. For a game like "Mass Effect", etc, and you really want to live in that world for another adventure, it's a good trade... But getting under a completist's skin with trophies as the only reward seen, is kind of BS.

I've picked up DLC for games like "LA Noire", because I loved the game and I wanted more... But I didn't do it for a little bell ringing at the hand of Team Bondi's resident Pavlovian psychologist.

If it doesn't bother you, then great. But when I see another gamer freaking out as TC did, I get a little ticked at the tactic. That's all.

:)

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShangTsung17"]

i've been sayin it for years, DLC is the worst thing to happen to videogames since online multiplayer.. all it does is ruin the experience, make certin players feel left out, and cost u more money.. i can't express in enough words how much i hate it. :(

LeifLongbottom

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

There really isn't. The only difference is to people who get too worked up over this stuff.

If it doesn't bother you, then great. But when I see another gamer freaking out as TC did, I get a little ticked at the tactic. That's all.

:)

MonkeySpot

When I see another gamer getting freaked out like the TC did I suggest they get outside more.

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

worlock77

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

There really isn't. The only difference is to people who get too worked up over this stuff.

But there really is and I'll back that up AGAIN (which you don't seem willing to do):

Remember the "episodes" for Jedi Knight (I think JK2) games? That was really like a whole 'nother game with completely new maps powers, enemies, and everything else. On top of that they tightened the controlls and graphics.

The "episodes" for gta4 was basically the same exact game on the exact same map; it just had some new toys and new missions. Not even a small island; just a couple of small interiors.

Also, back in those days the expansion packs came out a year or two after the game; after the devs got feedback and found out what else the fans wanted. The dlc you see now is sometimes available on launch day (like with Capcom games) and sometimes (like with Saints Row the third) there's game content that is very transparently pruned from the main game to be sold later.

You can't just contradict me, you have to back it up.

Have to back what up? My opinion?

Didn't read, but I agree. God shall smite upon Sony.

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It's funny. Back when add-ons were "expansion packs" that you bought on a seperate disc at the retailer everyone loved it. Now that it's DLC everyone thinks it's the worst thing to happen to video games.

worlock77

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

There really isn't. The only difference is to people who get too worked up over this stuff.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

There's a big difference between the expantion packs we got 15 years ago and the dlc we get now.

This I think is the best illustration of that:

http://s18.postimage.org/fkzv3xyi1/monalisaoriginal.jpg

ShangTsung17

There really isn't. The only difference is to people who get too worked up over this stuff.

lets see... mass effect 2 is a good example, u don't have the dlc u really don't have the game.. mk9 omg, no comment.. some games are even starting to add a 2 part series on dlc, basically a mini sequel or add on to the story through dlc.. its just wrong.

lets see... mass effect 2 is a good example, u don't have the dlc u really don't have the game.. mk9 omg, no comment.. some games are even starting to add a 2 part series on dlc, basically a mini sequel or add on to the story through dlc.. its just wrong.

ShangTsung17

[QUOTE="ShangTsung17"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

There really isn't. The only difference is to people who get too worked up over this stuff.

MethodManFTW

Saints Row 3, Halo and many other big FPS franchises, MVC3 (if they bump up the roster to the count of earlier games) and other Capcom titles.

I think part of the problem is that they're asking people to pay the same price for normally cosmetic, arena, or minigame stuff as we paid for actual expansions of the game.

Have to back what up? My opinion?

worlock77

Yes, if you want to insist that the expansion packs of yesteryear hold just as much value as the dlc we got now.

Saints Row: The Third? No way is that even close to half a game. It's a bunch of cheat codes and weapons... The season pass stuff so far was a collection of re-skinned mini-games... Hopefully the stuff that is still coming out is good. Don't really know about Halo as I don't play it or other FPS's since that genre has pretty much stagnated the last several years.. MvC3? No way dude.. The DLC to that is costumes and 2 characters... Not even close to half a game... Other Capcom titles? I dunno, not the ones I play though.MethodManFTW

if u don't wanna feel like u own *half* a game then yea.. ya do... especially dlc's that involve extra guns, characters, ect cause it will drive u absolutely nuts wondering what your missing, and the big companies are counting on this, thats fvcked up..

well the roster was essential for mk9, even tho i never use any of them, only one i didn't buy was freddy for obvious reasons.. that would be like goin to a mk arcade and finding certin characters missing, so it was manditory.

It's optional stuff man. Play Mass Effect 2 without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Mass Effect 2? Buy the DLC. Had enough Mass Effect or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. Play Saints Row: The Third without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Saints Row: The Third? Buy the DLC. Had enough Saints Row or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. You aren't forced to do anything.MethodManFTW

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]It's optional stuff man. Play Mass Effect 2 without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Mass Effect 2? Buy the DLC. Had enough Mass Effect or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. Play Saints Row: The Third without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Saints Row: The Third? Buy the DLC. Had enough Saints Row or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. You aren't forced to do anything.NightStein

[QUOTE="NightStein"][QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]It's optional stuff man. Play Mass Effect 2 without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Mass Effect 2? Buy the DLC. Had enough Mass Effect or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. Play Saints Row: The Third without any DLC, still a great experience. Want more Saints Row: The Third? Buy the DLC. Had enough Saints Row or you are just satisfied with what is already there, don't buy the DLC. You aren't forced to do anything.MethodManFTW

I don't think God is too worried about some Trophies on the playstation. ;)