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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.WR_Platinum

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

awww, you killed it.:?

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.WR_Platinum

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

That's gonna be tough.

MGS4 and GTAIV are two of the highest rated games, and both stand a great chance. But Fallout 3, Resistance 2, Fable 2 and Gears 2 are all very promising looking games. And then there's LittleBigPlanet, which could surprise everyone and take it all with its unique mix of creativity, community and charm.

MGS4 and GTAIV are the only ones I've played so far, so at this point I'd give it to MGS4. But I can't say for sure until I play Resistance 2, Fallout 3 and LBP.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.WR_Platinum

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

:lol: Perfectly said ..

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GTA IV, MGS4, GoW2, SSBB, WoW Lich King. (one of those 5).

fartmixer26

um...god of war 2..?:|

gears of war 2. and I'd have to go with MGS4. the only flaw I found in it is that the cutscenes are too heavily loaded. You spend half the game watching cutscenes and you can't really skip it the first go-around or you'll miss out on the whole story. But the actual gameplay was so awesome, I really enjoyed the first chapter. MGS4 will most likely win.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

So you consider when someone says that "the cutscenes were too long" makes that a flaw and a fact?

Nice try, but again the sentence you just quoted me goes back to you.

Thank you for makin it too easy... again.

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.WR_Platinum

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

So you consider when someone says that "the cutscenes were too long" makes that a flaw and a fact?

Nice try, but again the sentence you just quoted me goes back to you.

Thank you for makin it too easy... again.

Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

So you consider when someone says that "the cutscenes were too long" makes that a flaw and a fact?

Nice try, but again the sentence you just quoted me goes back to you.

Thank you for makin it too easy... again.

Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

A perfect game and a perfect score are two different things. I'd give MGS4 a perfect score because its strengths VASTLY outweigh its weaknesses.

A perfect game and a perfect score are two different things. I'd give MGS4 a perfect score because its strengths VASTLY outweigh its weaknesses.

babystapler

Indeed. Like I said, I gave MGS4 a 10 IIRC... but that doesn't mean it's perfect.

Viking: Battle for Asgard

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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

So you consider when someone says that "the cutscenes were too long" makes that a flaw and a fact?

Nice try, but again the sentence you just quoted me goes back to you.

Thank you for makin it too easy... again.

Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

No game is perfect? True. GOTY? MGS4. :D

i doubt that anything can match MGS4. some review outlets might give GTA4 GOTY too, but for me MGS4 blows everything else out of the water. oh, and LBP will probably get a few GOTY awards too.fmobliv06

both games are awsome but they are different, gta for action MGS for strategy and some action

TBH, id put my money on Fallout 3. I cant remember a time when bethesda has released a big game and they HAVENT gotten game of the year..

I would LIKE to see MGS4 get it, but i think it will be something thats available on multiplat...

My call is MGS4.

Although I would want LBP or fallout 3 to be goty.

No game should get the award.

Most likely LBP.

It is not my cup of tea, but in terms of creativity, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even MGS4).

Most likely LBP.

It is not my cup of tea, but in terms of creativity, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even MGS4).

hermes200

but in terms of story, rich gameplay, rich cinematics, Hollywood music and sound, boss battles, easter eggs, unlockables, stunning graphics and high replayability all mixed and found in one gigantic game called MGS4, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even LBP :P)

[QUOTE="hermes200"] Most likely LBP.

It is not my cup of tea, but in terms of creativity, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even MGS4).samourai_v87

We have all seen story, gameplay, cinematics, music, boss battles, easter eggs and good graphics several times before (at least, with each MGS iteration). LBP is like nothing we have seen in a console, and has potential to became huge.

Don't get me wrong. I played and enjoyed MGS4, and I won't buy LBP until it reaches bargain (as I said, it is not my cup of tea)... But after some time, MGS4 will be remembered as "part of the MGS franchise (not even the first)", while LBP will be remembered as "the first game that tried (and was, probably, successful at) creating a fully customizable and totally shareable gaming experience"

There is a reason why MGS 1 was so important in shaping the way the PS1 ended up... Because there was nothing like it, anywhere. MGS2 was not that special for the PS2... LBP has that potential.

[QUOTE="samourai_v87"][QUOTE="hermes200"] Most likely LBP.

It is not my cup of tea, but in terms of creativity, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even MGS4).hermes200

We have all seen story, gameplay, cinematics, music, boss battles, easter eggs and good graphics several times before (at least, with each MGS iteration). LBP is like nothing we have seen in a console, and has potential to became huge.

Don't get me wrong. I played and enjoyed MGS4, and I won't buy LBP until it reaches bargain (as I said, it is not my cup of tea)... But after some time, MGS4 will be remembered as "part of the MGS franchise (not even the first)", while LBP will be remembered as "the first game that tried (and was, probably, successful at) creating a fully customizable and totally shareable gaming experience"

There is a reason why MGS 1 was so important in shaping the way the PS1 ended up... Because there was nothing like it, anywhere. MGS2 was not that special for the PS2... LBP has that potential.

new or not it's not my cup of tea either and got boring for me after 2 hours of playing the BETA. I will vote to the game I played the most this generation and that is MGS4. 15 playthroughs and the first time playing through the game was enough for me to give it GOTY. Though the more you play MGS4 the better it gets still the first time was enough.

On PS3, I'd go with Metal Gear Solid 4 so far. Although Little Big Planet may take it away from it if it only lives up to the hype. But there's still some potentially good games coming out : Resistance II, Far Cry, Fallout 3, Bioshock. But I don't see any of them getting a 10, perhaps a few 9s.

Overall I only got a Wii and a PS3, so I don't know about good 360 games. I've heard Gears of War 2 and Fable II are going to be great. On Wii SSBB was great (according to most people and GameSpot).

So on PS3 (top 5) I'm going with MSG4, followed by LBP, Fallout 3, GTA IV and Dead Space.

Overall (top 10): MSG4, Gears of War 2, LBP, Fallout 3, GTA IV, SSBB, Fable II, Dead Space, NHL 09, Crysis Warhead.

I'm aware half the games aren't out yet. I'm just following the hype.

new or not it's not my cup of tea either and got boring for me after 2 hours of playing the BETA. I will vote to the game I played the most this generation and that is MGS4. 15 playthroughs and the first time playing through the game was enough for me to give it GOTY. Though the more you play MGS4 the better it gets still the first time was enough. samourai_v87

As I said, LBP would most likely not be my choice either... But I can see its potential if it is well executed.

[QUOTE="samourai_v87"][QUOTE="hermes200"] Most likely LBP.

It is not my cup of tea, but in terms of creativity, there is nothing that can compare to it (not even MGS4).hermes200

We have all seen story, gameplay, cinematics, music, boss battles, easter eggs and good graphics several times before (at least, with each MGS iteration). LBP is like nothing we have seen in a console, and has potential to became huge.

Don't get me wrong. I played and enjoyed MGS4, and I won't buy LBP until it reaches bargain (as I said, it is not my cup of tea)... But after some time, MGS4 will be remembered as "part of the MGS franchise (not even the first)", while LBP will be remembered as "the first game that tried (and was, probably, successful at) creating a fully customizable and totally shareable gaming experience"

There is a reason why MGS 1 was so important in shaping the way the PS1 ended up... Because there was nothing like it, anywhere. MGS2 was not that special for the PS2... LBP has that potential.

QFT - exactly right. There's no denying that MGS4 is a great game, but when it comes to GotY, it's really about who is pushing the envelope and trying something new - and I don't think there's any other game out this year that can rival LBP when it comes to originality. In years to come, LBP will be remembered as something special, because it's bringing a new element to the gaming experience - just like Super Mario Bros. changed the concepts of platforming, or Legend of Zelda did with overworld environments... or, for that matter, the original MGS did with the "stealth" genre. For LBP, it's the online community aspect, and the idea of providing the player with the tools to create their OWN adventure, rather than just playing the ideas of the game designer; it's gonna be HUGE.

MGS4

[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Based on what I've seen (even if it's not out yet) I think GotY is between MGS4, LBP and R2... I'm leaning towards R2 though, that game looks pretty sick and MGS4 is great and all, but it's NOT perfect as people wants to believe.GreenGoblin2099

MGS4 is the only game that can be considered perfect for this year, R2 doesn't even come close, its worlds apart from the greatness of MGS4.

You0re entitled to your own opinion, and so am I... I won't arguee why MGS4 is not perfect because people overlooks all it's flaws, so what's to do??

I wasn't even in the intent to argue, but learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact that people are blinded by its flaws.

In your most truthful opinion, you really think there's something such as a perfect game?? even Kojima said he wasn't completely happy about the results.

Of course there is, I've play many games that i considered to be perfect, A Link to The Past,Super Mario World, Orcarina of Time, MGS 1, 2, 3. RE2, Goldeneye 007, and the list can go on. Now the games I've played I cosider perfect are games that I thought were perfect for its time. So in this case, MGS4 is perfect at this time we live in. if no game was perfect when done, then EVERY game site/ magazine company would have to change their rating system (example: GS: 1-9.9 1= HORRIBLE 9.9 = VERY GOOD)

Perfect refers to something that doesn't have flaws... you probably don't see them and that's overlloking them. But overlooking those flaws doesn't make those games perfect as a fact, just in your opinion.

Thanx for making this easy.

Or maybe you're just lookin too hard for any "flaws" and then state it as if its a fact when in the end its only your opinion.

Thank you for makin this so easy.

Nope, pal.. It wasn't just me.

The moment you hear someone saying: MGS4 scenes were too long and they bored me. That's a flaw right there, a truly perfect game won't have ANY flaws, not for me , not for you not for anybody.

And you're the one making this easy, because you just stated that the game is perfect in your opinion, so please... how was that again??

oh yeah:

learn to keep your "opinions" an opinion because you almost sounded as if its a fact WR_Platinum

Again, thanks you for making this easy.

So you consider when someone says that "the cutscenes were too long" makes that a flaw and a fact?

Nice try, but again the sentence you just quoted me goes back to you.

Thank you for makin it too easy... again.

Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

I deleted something? what a joke.... Of course I seen many people who say the cutscenes are way too long, they see this as a flaw. Thats fine, but that does not make it a fact. Many non MGS fans are usually the ones who say that the cutscenes are too long, while most MGS fans would say that the cutscenes are fine and/or they are not really long.

You say I lack convincing arguments when you continue to struggle to say that "no game is perfect" as a fact (with no solid points), but rather as an opinion.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

WR_Platinum

I deleted something? what a joke.... Of course I seen many people who say the cutscenes are way too long, they see this as a flaw. Thats fine, but that does not make it a fact. Many non MGS fans are usually the ones who say that the cutscenes are too long, while most MGS fans would say that the cutscenes are fine and/or they are not really long.

You say I lack convincing arguments when you continue to struggle to say that "no game is perfect" as a fact (with no solid points), but rather as an opinion.

Yup, you still refer to the "too long" part as the flaw when it's clearly the "boring" part. There are long scenes that are fun/cool to watch and some others are boring. Thus, being long is not a flaw, it's because they are boring. And you just said it "most MGS fans" not all of them. And if even a MGS fan finds those scenes boring, being them fans of the series, well, that's a flaw.

And no, it's not me who lack convincing arguments, it is you who've resorted to paraphrasing everything I say. All your "defense" is based in your opinion, while I base mine on facts... it's a fact that people found the scenes boring, let alone the flaws in the story.

And btw, your "do a little more reaserch" is not a good answer to perfectly clear and simple question, like the one I asked in that other topic. You have nothing, just accept it.

[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

GreenGoblin2099

I deleted something? what a joke.... Of course I seen many people who say the cutscenes are way too long, they see this as a flaw. Thats fine, but that does not make it a fact. Many non MGS fans are usually the ones who say that the cutscenes are too long, while most MGS fans would say that the cutscenes are fine and/or they are not really long.

You say I lack convincing arguments when you continue to struggle to say that "no game is perfect" as a fact (with no solid points), but rather as an opinion.

Yup, you still refer to the "too long" part as the flaw when it's clearly the "boring" part. There are long scenes that are fun/cool to watch and some others are boring. Thus, being long is not a flaw, it's because they are boring. And you just said it "most MGS fans" not all of them. And if even a MGS fan finds those scenes boring, being them fans of the series, well, that's a flaw.

And no, it's not me who lack convincing arguments, it is you who've resorted to paraphrasing everything I say. All your "defense" is based in your opinion, while I base mine on facts... it's a fact that people found the scenes boring, let alone the flaws in the story.

And btw, your "do a little more reaserch" is not a good answer to perfectly clear and simple question, like the one I asked in that other topic. You have nothing, just accept it.

The cutscenes can be "boring" & "too long" for anyone, even for some MGS fans, but in the end, that is just an opinion from those who think so. Sorry, but if that was one of your "defenses" to say that that is a flaw and its "fact", well... I can't say no more but that that is your own opinion.

And for the record, I only stay on the topic on this thread. If you wanted so much to answer back from the question you made in another thread, address it to me there.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]Nope, not the "too long bit"... but conveniently you deleted "and they bored me". So yeah, boring = a flaw. And for your record, it wasn't me who said this, many people said it. And again, as long as a game has the tiniest flaw, it means it's not perfect. Perfect = no flaws.

And as it seems you're lacking convincing arguments I'll just end this senseless discussion with this:

NO GAME IS PERFECT... FACT!!!

WR_Platinum

I deleted something? what a joke.... Of course I seen many people who say the cutscenes are way too long, they see this as a flaw. Thats fine, but that does not make it a fact. Many non MGS fans are usually the ones who say that the cutscenes are too long, while most MGS fans would say that the cutscenes are fine and/or they are not really long.

You say I lack convincing arguments when you continue to struggle to say that "no game is perfect" as a fact (with no solid points), but rather as an opinion.

Yup, you still refer to the "too long" part as the flaw when it's clearly the "boring" part. There are long scenes that are fun/cool to watch and some others are boring. Thus, being long is not a flaw, it's because they are boring. And you just said it "most MGS fans" not all of them. And if even a MGS fan finds those scenes boring, being them fans of the series, well, that's a flaw.

And no, it's not me who lack convincing arguments, it is you who've resorted to paraphrasing everything I say. All your "defense" is based in your opinion, while I base mine on facts... it's a fact that people found the scenes boring, let alone the flaws in the story.

And btw, your "do a little more reaserch" is not a good answer to perfectly clear and simple question, like the one I asked in that other topic. You have nothing, just accept it.

The cutscenes can be "boring" & "too long" for anyone, even for some MGS fans, but in the end, that is just an opinion from those who think so. Sorry, but if that was one of your "defenses" to say that that is a flaw and its "fact", well... I can't say no more but that that is your own opinion.

And for the record, I only stay on the topic on this thread. If you wanted so much to answer back from the question you made in another thread, address it to me there.

Nope you don't seem to get it... being boring it's a flaw, not a fact. But it's a fact that some people found them boring, thus making the game flawed. And yes, I'm aware that it's their opinion but being perfect is yours, making your point null.

BTW, you might wanna check GS review, even they think the "story is heavy-handed" as the only bad thing in this game, so are they all wrong except you??

And let me tell you again: perfect means no flaws at all. A perfect game won't have flaws, not from me, not fromyou, not from anybody.

BTW, ok, I take it as if you don't wanna answer (or can't more likely) because you can easily go to that other topic and answer the question, because you tracked down this one so easily just to reply, you could've done it with that other too.

On any system? SSBB

On the PS3? Even though it's not out yet, probably LBP. Or possibly Resistance 2, although i havent played through the first game, this one looks awesome. I actually WANTED to get the first one, but i kept putting it off and now i think i'll just wait for the second game.

MGS4 imo. There have been a lot of good games this year and still more to come, but none have been, or look to be on the same level as MGS4.

And no I'm not an MGS4 cock rider, as a hardcore fan of the series I was actually disappointed in many ways. Still though I really don't see any competition this year. It would take something like RE5, or FFXIII releasing and even then I wouldn't be so sure they would dethrone MGS4.

The damn games been in my PS3 for 3.5 out of the last 4 months and yes I play my PS3 every day. Between the main game and the MGO counter part I'm not even close do being burnt out on that wonderful 50 gig blu ray.

It has to MGS4! That would be my vote.

Anything else voted as GOTY would cause a riot in the ps3 community.