GOW II 480p vs 1080p

Stop spreading rubbish, PS2 games with progressive scann look like crud without AA and Upscaling on top of all the jaggies you get a black border around the game because of the built in SD overscan implemented for all last gen games. With Sony's new Smooth, Upscale and stretch to full screen feature, you get smoother graphics, less jaggies and zero ugly black border.

GOW II in 480p = garbage

GOW II in 1080p/i = beauty 

Oh really? If thats what you want to believe. Fact: the PS3 does not upscale progressive scan images, only 480i. A native 480p does look better than an upscaled 480i image. Have you even tried it? Do you even have a descent sized 1080p tv? Oh, 32 inch, I guess you dont. Oh, and if you didnt notice, GOW II already has a widescreen mode. ironwarrior2

Yo ain't nobody talking about 480i here Einstein. It's 1080i and yes they do make 1080p sets at 32" I happen to own one ever heard of "Sharp LC32D62U 32".

It ain't the upscaling that makes it look better it's the AA and the overscan compensation via software scaling it takes away the black borders that was put in for all PS2 games as part of the image so that games would fit on SD tvs without cropping.

The upcaling does 2 things that makes it better one, it stretrches for Sd overscan hence allowing the image to fill the whole screen, 2 It applies software AA to smooth out the jaggies.

If you think 480p looks better than 1080p then your blind simpl as that.

As for widescreen support. 

Are you slow or just technically challenged Wide Screen Mode does not compensate for SD overscan, all PS2 games games were made with a black border around the image so that the games could be run on older SD and EDTV's that would blowup the image bigger than it's actual size. Hence even using widescreen mode the black border is still present because it's part of the image. What the new PS3 feature does is it blows up the picture bigger in other words it does Sd overscan on purpose to fill up the HDTV's screen.

[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Oh really? If thats what you want to believe. Fact: the PS3 does not upscale progressive scan images, only 480i. A native 480p does look better than an upscaled 480i image. Have you even tried it? Do you even have a descent sized 1080p tv? Oh, 32 inch, I guess you dont.:lol:pimperjones

Yo ain't nobody talking about 480i here Einstein. It's 1080i and yes they do make 1080p sets at 32" I happen to own one ever heard of "Sharp LC32D62U 32". 

It ain't the upscaling that makes it look better it's the AA and the overscan compensation via software scaling it takes away the black borders that was put in for all PS2 games as part of the image so that games would fit on SD tvs without cropping.

The upcaling does 2 things that makes it better one, it stretrches for Sd overscan hence allowing the image to fill the whole screen, 2 It applies software AA to smooth out the jaggies.

If you think 480p looks better than 1080p then your blind simpl as that. 

Let me try to explain it so you can understand, if that's even possible.  GOWII already has a widescreen mode, hence no black borders or streching.  Are you still with me?  Good, I'll continue.  GowII also already has a progressive scan mode, which is 480p.  The PS3 does not upscale 480p, only 480i.  Native (real) 480p looks better than upscaled (fake) 1080p unless you like your screen smeared in vasoline.  Sure, it may still be a little more jagged, but the overall image quality is much more clear and chrisp.

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[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Oh really? If thats what you want to believe. Fact: the PS3 does not upscale progressive scan images, only 480i. A native 480p does look better than an upscaled 480i image. Have you even tried it? Do you even have a descent sized 1080p tv? Oh, 32 inch, I guess you dont.:lol:ironwarrior2

Yo ain't nobody talking about 480i here Einstein. It's 1080i and yes they do make 1080p sets at 32" I happen to own one ever heard of "Sharp LC32D62U 32".

It ain't the upscaling that makes it look better it's the AA and the overscan compensation via software scaling it takes away the black borders that was put in for all PS2 games as part of the image so that games would fit on SD tvs without cropping.

The upcaling does 2 things that makes it better one, it stretrches for Sd overscan hence allowing the image to fill the whole screen, 2 It applies software AA to smooth out the jaggies.

If you think 480p looks better than 1080p then your blind simpl as that.

Let me try to explain it so you can understand, if that's even possible. GOWII already has a widescreen mode, hence no black borders or streching. Are you still with me? Good, I'll continue. GowII also already has a progressive scan mode, which is 480p. The PS3 does not upscale 480p, only 480i. Native (real) 480p looks better than upscaled (fake) 1080p unless you like your screen smeared in vasoline. Sure, it may still be a little more jagged, but the overall image quality is much more clear and chrisp.

Hence Widescreen mode does not get rid of SD overscan borders which is there regardless of widescreen mode or not, what Sony has done with the new update is arificially create fake SD overscan by blowing up the image by 1/2 an inch on all four sides so that the game would fill the whole HDTV. This is why the new upscaler is important. Honestly dude anyone with an HDTV already knows this so you must be playing on a EDTV or SD tv and just like spreading BS.

Stop spreading BS when you don't know what you're talking about leave the HD comparison's to those who actually have 1080 sets

Dude if you'e still confused of SD OVERSCAN check all first generation DVDs, they all had 1/2 inch on all four sides even when the movie was widescreen. Because they were designed to be played on SD TV's which would blowup the picture by 1/2 an inch on all four sides so the image would look normal. Watch any DVD that was released as first gen titles and you'll notice that when played on HDTV's the image has a black border all around it, the only was was to pan scan by 1/2 inch on all four. This term is called SD OVERSCAN. It was made on all Xbox, Game Cube and PS2 games.  

Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.ironwarrior2

[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.pimperjones

You said that I got "owned" and you call me a kid?  Stop using childish lingo and then people will take you more seriously.  Any way, it must just be a difference in our tvs, no "black borders" on mine, not in widescreen mode anyway, never has been and hopefully never will be.  And you should change your sig.  Bragging about a 32" tv is like bragging about a 4" you know what.

[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.pimperjones

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.ironwarrior2

You said that I got "owned" and you call me a kid? Stop using childish lingo and then people will take you more seriously. Any way, it must just be a difference in our tvs, no "black borders" on mine, not in widescreen mode anyway, never has been and hopefully never will be. And you should change your sig. Bragging about a 32" tv is like bragging about a 4" you know what.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.Funglip

As a matter fact all last gen games had to incorporate SD OVERSCAN borders or they were not allowed to be sold, because otherwise gamers with SD TV's would lose rough 1/2 inch of image on all four sides possibly blocking out vital stats and game text. All game programmers know about this. All first geneation DVDs were also buildt with overscan borders.

[QUOTE="Funglip"][QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.pimperjones

Ironwarrior, you should really think before posting crap like this. And also, go see an oculist, you are certainly as blind as a mole.

Check this comparrisson and tell me 1080 looks like crap if you can:

Be ware it may take a while to load!!

http://super.gameshot.net/ps3/zboard/zboard.php?id=ps3_snap&no=867 

Leave ironwarrior, cause you have just been owned. Also think what you want about my age, if you want as you did for other users, I dont care. I dont need to make online kids believe me. 

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="Funglip"][QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Yes, I have a 1080p lcd hdtv, 47", using HDMI, much better than your little 32". I tried all the options back and forth for over an hour and I know what looks better. Go get a magnifying glass for your little tv, maybe then you will see the difference and not just think its better because someone told you it was. Ok, I'm done with you.Funglip

You may have an EDTV that has built in SD OVERSCAN compensation. In other words your TV's blowing up the image for you.
pimperjones

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]You may have an EDTV that has built in SD OVERSCAN compensation. In other words your TV's blowing up the image for you.
Funglip

Then you got some really advanced TV, Do have the image set to stretch or zoom or pan or something to that nature. Cause if you are seeing the full image you should see the overscan borders. It's there as part of the game. try popping in an old DVD like Top Gun or Days of Thunder those films should show overscan borders aswell.

You may have an EDTV that supports 1080i, many ED Plamas will support 1080i. 

Ironwarrior, you should really think before posting crap like this. And also, go see an oculist, you are certainly as blind as a mole.

Check this comparrisson and tell me 1080 looks like crap if you can:

Be ware it may take a while to load!!

http://super.gameshot.net/ps3/zboard/zboard.php?id=ps3_snap&no=867 

 

Leave ironwarrior, cause you have just been owned. Also think what you want about my age, if you want as you did for other users, I dont care. I dont need to make online kids believe me. 

kenshinhimura16

I dont need to look at pictures and have other people tell me what looks better like you, I saw with my own eyes.  Less jaggies does not mean better.  I would rather have a clear, clean image than something that looks smeared in vasoline.

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

Ironwarrior, you should really think before posting crap like this. And also, go see an oculist, you are certainly as blind as a mole.

Check this comparrisson and tell me 1080 looks like crap if you can:

Be ware it may take a while to load!!

http://super.gameshot.net/ps3/zboard/zboard.php?id=ps3_snap&no=867

 

Leave ironwarrior, cause you have just been owned. Also think what you want about my age, if you want as you did for other users, I dont care. I dont need to make online kids believe me.

ironwarrior2

I dont need to look at pictures and have other people tell me what looks better like you, I saw with my own eyes. Less jaggies does not mean better. I would rather have a clear, clean image than something that looks smeared in vasoline.

I agree with Iron here...GOWI or II for that matter both look better on a good SD CRT TV...the upscaling is really well bad to say the least, its an improvement sure but its certainly nothing to brag about. The images as stated before are fairly blurry and not clean or crisp at 720p, 1080i, or 1080p for that matter....

Bottom line, PS2 games werent made for HD TVs, and werent designed to run at high resolutions, if you want a good picture on an HD TV find something that natively supports HD resolutions... 

Pimperjones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ironwarrior

I noe ima 360 boy but im thinking of buying a ps3 because I have a ps2  and I still cant let it go and the 360 sometimes get on my bad side.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Oh really? If thats what you want to believe. Fact: the PS3 does not upscale progressive scan images, only 480i. A native 480p does look better than an upscaled 480i image. Have you even tried it? Do you even have a descent sized 1080p tv? Oh, 32 inch, I guess you dont.:lol:ironwarrior2

Yo ain't nobody talking about 480i here Einstein. It's 1080i and yes they do make 1080p sets at 32" I happen to own one ever heard of "Sharp LC32D62U 32".

It ain't the upscaling that makes it look better it's the AA and the overscan compensation via software scaling it takes away the black borders that was put in for all PS2 games as part of the image so that games would fit on SD tvs without cropping.

The upcaling does 2 things that makes it better one, it stretrches for Sd overscan hence allowing the image to fill the whole screen, 2 It applies software AA to smooth out the jaggies.

If you think 480p looks better than 1080p then your blind simpl as that.

Let me try to explain it so you can understand, if that's even possible. GOWII already has a widescreen mode, hence no black borders or streching. Are you still with me? Good, I'll continue. GowII also already has a progressive scan mode, which is 480p. The PS3 does not upscale 480p, only 480i. Native (real) 480p looks better than upscaled (fake) 1080p unless you like your screen smeared in vasoline. Sure, it may still be a little more jagged, but the overall image quality is much more clear and chrisp.

I'll agree that a hdtv that can do 480p natively looks much better than a a upscaled 1080p image. Though you are wrong about something. The ps3 does upscale 480p. I was playing god of war 1 and tekken 5 earlier in 1080i upscaled from 480p.  

Actually when you switch to prog. scan in GOW1 the ps3 displays at 480 in stead of 720/1080. And I too noticed that the upscaled image was way too blurry. There weren't any jaggies but the detail was lost.neovalkyr

yep, the scaling will ad pixels... less detail/sharpness and less jaggies. the ideal situation would be no jaggies and only the slightest loss of sharpness detail.

some people seem to think upscaling will ADD detail or something..... 

What I wonder is this (I do not own a PS3):  Whatever resolution the game originally was made for, it could be rendered in a higher resolution.

Is this what is happening to the PS2 games ? Instead of rendering in 480i, the PS3 renders the image in 720p or higher. I think it is, or otherwise, why would FSAA be used ? Because if the image is rendered in 480i first, then bumped into 720p or higher, then FSAA already is applied to make it seem it is smoother, but as far as screenshots I've seen, this is not the case.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

[QUOTE="ironwarrior2"]Oh really? If thats what you want to believe. Fact: the PS3 does not upscale progressive scan images, only 480i. A native 480p does look better than an upscaled 480i image. Have you even tried it? Do you even have a descent sized 1080p tv? Oh, 32 inch, I guess you dont.:lol:ironwarrior2

Yo ain't nobody talking about 480i here Einstein. It's 1080i and yes they do make 1080p sets at 32" I happen to own one ever heard of "Sharp LC32D62U 32".

It ain't the upscaling that makes it look better it's the AA and the overscan compensation via software scaling it takes away the black borders that was put in for all PS2 games as part of the image so that games would fit on SD tvs without cropping.

The upcaling does 2 things that makes it better one, it stretrches for Sd overscan hence allowing the image to fill the whole screen, 2 It applies software AA to smooth out the jaggies.

If you think 480p looks better than 1080p then your blind simpl as that.

Let me try to explain it so you can understand, if that's even possible. GOWII already has a widescreen mode, hence no black borders or streching. Are you still with me? Good, I'll continue. GowII also already has a progressive scan mode, which is 480p. The PS3 does not upscale 480p, only 480i. Native (real) 480p looks better than upscaled (fake) 1080p unless you like your screen smeared in vasoline. Sure, it may still be a little more jagged, but the overall image quality is much more clear and chrisp.

Excuse me sir, but GOW II, even in widescreen mode, has black bars on the sides running on an HDTV. It's the truth.

Tell you what kids, heres a better comparison:

Eyes Closed

Eyes Open

As you can see eyes open is a far greater improvement over eyes closed, giving an image that is far clearer and generally better looking...

[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

Ironwarrior, you should really think before posting crap like this. And also, go see an oculist, you are certainly as blind as a mole.

Check this comparrisson and tell me 1080 looks like crap if you can:

Be ware it may take a while to load!!

http://super.gameshot.net/ps3/zboard/zboard.php?id=ps3_snap&no=867 

 

Leave ironwarrior, cause you have just been owned. Also think what you want about my age, if you want as you did for other users, I dont care. I dont need to make online kids believe me. 

ironwarrior2

I dont need to look at pictures and have other people tell me what looks better like you, I saw with my own eyes.  Less jaggies does not mean better.  I would rather have a clear, clean image than something that looks smeared in vasoline.

You are not making any sense.. Look at the pics anybody can clearly see that upscaled image is better. And how can you not say that pics dont help because you have seen it with your own eyes? .. at least compare the pics to what you see on tv and tell us if you think the top pic is better than the bottom one... that way we know if you are doing something wrong or if you have a different (note : weird) opinion.

I also remember reading something about having to turn of the progresive scan option ingame or else the upscaling would not work well maybe you forgot to do that. And if i am not mistaken the "vasoline" look you are describing is the software aa which you can just turn of anyway.

But in the end its just your opinon and noone can say thats wrong..no matter how different (note : weird)

pimperjones This pimperjones doesn't know what he's talking about. i think he should go test it out 480p and 1080p(upscaled) before he start posting his fanboy crap. 480p in GOW II = crystal clear with jaggies, 1080p(upscaled) in GOW II = blurry with less jagging......most people will choose crystal clear vs blurry even if there are more jaggies.

i really hate fanboy who'll deny the truth

Stop spreading rubbish, PS2 games with progressive scann look like crud without AA and Upscaling on top of all the jaggies you get a black border around the game because of the built in SD overscan implemented for all last gen games. With Sony's new Smooth, Upscale and stretch to full screen feature, you get smoother graphics, less jaggies and zero ugly black border.

GOW II in 480p = garbage

GOW II in 1080p/i = beauty

pimperjones

Hey! I still get the black bars on the side. How do you remove it. My upscale setting is set to full screen already. 

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/793/793775p3.html

I rest my case.

yo guys stop hating, lets direct our hate at xbox 360 fanboys