Have you vitnessed the maximum PS3 potential already?

I mean, how many of you say you have witnessed the maximum power of PS3 already? I don't mean to turn this into system wars, but obviously the 360 has reached its peak threshold of potential, and is being pushed to the breaking point by now. It is surprisingly optimized enough to contend with PS3's graphics, though not pixel to pixel.

So, what I'm getting at is, has PS3 reached its limitations? Or have to yet to see the PS3 reach its maximum potential?

There's no denying the rock solid proof that Metal Gear Solid 4 will push the PS3's hardware to its breaking point. It is, after all, the last of series, as I've heard. Another question arises: Can we except nothing to top MGS4?

Also take into consideration the game play, for games such as Grand Theft Auto always go over the edge and use maximum system resources and hardware for an incredible simulation with endless replay ability, featuring (or attempting to feature) realistic physics (of what we've seen in the gaming industry).

So, the question is, Have you witnessed the maximum PS3 potential already?

1. Please explain how the 360 has "obviously" reached its potential

2. Learn to spell.

I think you hit the nail on the head Macri

Um did I say something wrong?

Well then, I guess this must be moved to system wars, because of the way people are getting all touchy and defensive on me.

Theres no denying the rock solid proof that Metal Gear Solid 4 will push the PS3's hardware to its breaking point.Deepcut9

What rock solid proof have you seen that shows MGS4 is pushing the PS3 to it's breaking point?

1. Please explain how the 360 has "obviously" reached its potential

2. Learn to spell.

seeddrmmr

I mean, how many of you say you have witnessed the maximum power of PS3 already? I don't mean to turn this into system wars, but obviously the 360 has reached its peak threshold of potential, and is being pushed to the breaking point by now. It is surprisingly optimized enough to contend with PS3's graphics, though not pixel to pixel.

So, what I'm getting at is, has PS3 reached its limitations? Or have to yet to see the PS3 reach its maximum potential?

There's no denying the rock solid proof that Metal Gear Solid 4 will push the PS3's hardware to its breaking point. It is, after all, the last of series, as I've heard. Another question arises: Can we except nothing to top MGS4?

Also take into consideration the game play, for games such as Grand Theft Auto always go over the edge and use maximum system resources and hardware for an incredible simulation with endless replay ability, featuring (or attempting to feature) realistic physics (of what we've seen in the gaming industry).

So, the question is, Have you witnessed the maximum PS3 potential already?

Deepcut9

How can you say 360 has reached its peak of potential, when you only seen games using Unreal Engine 3. You saying that it has reached its potential only because alot of the games look alot better on the 360 than PS3? what a typical fanboy.

What we know from uncharted devs at the moment is that uncharted only used 30% of cell or something like that so obviously it hasn't reached its potential.

I don't think MGS4 is pushing the PS3's hardware as much as you think, tahts why I actually think that MGS5 would come out because kojima wouldn't be 100% saaatisfied with MGS4.

GTA an incredible simulation with realistic physics, i doubt it.

With all that said, obviously we haven't witnessed the max potential of PS3. You one of them fakeboy people that is pretending to be Ps3 fan that is hating on 360 just to cause arguements?

I think you would need to define what you mean by "pushing the limits." MGS4 may be pushing the ps3 in terms of content and filling up a 50g Blu-ray disc. However, if you are referring to graphics, which most of these topics are about, then MGS4 isn't pushing the limits. There are a few games coming out this year (or early '09) that look better than MGS4: Killzone 2, Resistance 2, FFXIII, and I would guess FF Versus XIII will look better, but we haven't seen any gameplay footage of it. This doesn't take anything away from MGS4, I'm just saying that it is not the best the ps3 can do for purposes of graphics.

As to whether or not MGS4 is pushing the ps3 in terms of using all of it's processing power, I doubt that, but I'm sure it's using a lot of it. Uncharted supposedly was using 30% of the power, and that is the most so far from any game available. I doubt MGS4 made that jump to 100%. I would guess KZ2 is higher than MGS4 in processing power based on the info that we know of both games. I would also guess Far Cry 2 will end up using more than either of those.

It's far too early to clearly state a game is using the full power of the ps3, because even if a game uses 100% in all aspects, it wouldn't be the full potential. Developers have to learn the most efficient way to use that 100% before we truly see the limits of the ps3 hardware, and I don't think we will see that for a few more years.

dont care too much for the topic, but as i was reading responses a question or 2 popped into my head:

"Do 360 owners take time out of their day to dredge the PS3 forum?"

"Do they feel they are XCops, who must defend their lady 360's honor at all costs?"

Seriously. I wanted to know what people thought about ps3 longevity, and there are people saying "I havent experienced anything", and "how do you know the 360's potential?"

Did you guys search today's threads for what you think is anti-360 propaganda? I'm dying to know.

Funny thread. You talk as if MGS4 will be the last great game made for PS3 and everything will go downhill from there.

If I believed that the PS3 potential has already peaked, I would hate myself for owning the system. We have not seen anything yet. Uncharted, a great game, didn't even scratch the surface when it comes to the PS3s power.

You are misinformed man.

dont care too much for the topic, but as i was reading responses a question or 2 popped into my head:

"Do 360 owners take time out of their day to dredge the PS3 forum?"

"Do they feel they are XCops, who must defend their lady 360's honor at all costs?"

Seriously. I wanted to know what people thought about ps3 longevity, and there are people saying "I havent experienced anything", and "how do you know the 360's potential?"

Did you guys search today's threads for what you think is anti-360 propaganda? I'm dying to know.

Sh3rpa

First off, if you wasnt a little bit inclined against the 360's potential you wouldnt have asked the question, you ask this sort of question, its gonna get cross reffered, simple as, so you dont wanna hear comparisions, as a different question.

Secondly, ill bet you £10 that MS are working on a new console for the simple fact, its technological lifetime in terms of reclycled tech is coming to an end, dual layer dvd doesnt cut it any more. So yes we are starting to see the max potential of the 360, whether thats MS's fault or technology turnovers fault, its a fact.

I think the game which will push the PS3 hardware pretty far will be Final Fantasy 13. Square-Enix are known for good graphics. it already looks amazing.

No i have not seen great potential the PS3 has alot more in it

I think the game which will push the PS3 hardware pretty far will be Final Fantasy 13. Square-Enix are known for good graphics. it already looks amazing.

No i have not seen great potential the PS3 has alot more in it

rpgmadboy

TBH i think the game thats gonna push the ps3 will be fallout 3, cuz the oblivion team are on it.

Um did I say something wrong?

Well then, I guess this must be moved to system wars, because of the way people are getting all touchy and defensive on me.

Deepcut9

true man I dont know why people start all this stuff you only gave an example with the 360 you cant put the Wii cuase everyone know it isnt like the PS3 and 360, and to your question I dont think it will reach its potential in at least 2 or 3 years and MGS4 is not going to make it to the max

30% = Maximum?

AWESOME.

I can't wait for Triple-Maximum! :D

Are you high? I don't think we are even close for either system. It took about 5 or 6 yrs for the PS2 to reach what I believe to be its limit. There were the early on games such as Grand Theft Auto 3 and Gran Turismo 3 and then years later Gran Turismo 4 comes out as do San Andrea's which just blow away their prior games. The games before it were crappy compared to the newer ones. So, maybe we should start this thread again in 2012. Shmoe82

what this guy said..lol. ^^

So, maybe we should start this thread again in 2012. Shmoe82

PS3:lol:reaching:lol:it's limits:lol:

No it isn't. Uncharted uses around 30-35% (according to ND) and it already looks stunning. So we are FAR FAR away from reaching perfections.

When Grand Theft Auto comes out latter this year i think you'll get a good idea what system is capable of putting out a better game, so far the difference between multi platform games hasn't been to great. Some exceptions were the orange box and madden 08 that had trouble running on ps3crawdad111

When using the "How long it took to max out PS2" comparison, you have to consider that PS2 was already maxed very early on. What came on later known as "good graphics" were merely designer tricks and techniques to make the graphics "appear" to be better, aka. faking it.

Example: The water reflections in MGS3, they are a very clever programming technique that has not been witnessed in many games. It was merely a trick designed to "fake" the reflection on the PS2. Obviously, it'd be silly to think PS2 could handle complete real-time water reflections.

And another example, right off the hat: The real-time shadows in Dragon-Quest 8: How can all the beautifully modeled and highly detailed characters(all made by the famous Akira Toriyama) cast shadows? Impossible task made ENTIRELY possible due to a trick. If you look closely at the shadows, they are merely abstract blocks, not actual shadows, but "faked" shadows of low-polygon mode. When people consider this as "PS2s true potential", well it was just a trick.

Now, I'm NOT saying PS3 has reached its "limits". Far from it, I was merely asked you what you thought in terms of hardware usage and the raw power being used.

Ask again in 4 years...CellAnimation

yes. I think the Go! Sports series maximized PS3's potential already in early 2008.

It took about 7-8 years to tap the full potential of the Ps2, and you believe we've seen the full extent of the Ps3? I'm not too much into X360. But if I'd have to make a statement on this, I'd say we're far from seeing the full extent of the capabilities of the X360 either. What do you base yourself? some alchemical analysiz that came to the conclusion that playing "said title" made your xbox 360 burn because it was a ground breaking title that exploited more then what the system was capable?

Imo, MSG 4 won't reach the full potentiel of the Ps3 nor GTA IV. I don't know where you came up with such biased facts/saying/thoughts/...

When using the "How long it took to max out PS2" comparison, you have to consider that PS2 was already maxed very early on. What came on later known as "good graphics" were merely designer tricks and techniques to make the graphics "appear" to be better, aka. faking it.

Example: The water reflections in MGS3, they are a very clever programming technique that has not been witnessed in many games. It was merely a trick designed to "fake" the reflection on the PS2. Obviously, it'd be silly to think PS2 could handle complete real-time water reflections.

And another example, right off the hat: The real-time shadows in Dragon-Quest 8: How can all the beautifully modeled and highly detailed characters(all made by the famous Akira Toriyama) cast shadows? Impossible task made ENTIRELY possible due to a trick. If you look closely at the shadows, they are merely abstract blocks, not actual shadows, but "faked" shadows of low-polygon mode. When people consider this as "PS2s true potential", well it was just a trick.

Now, I'm NOT saying PS3 has reached its "limits". Far from it, I was merely asked you what you thought in terms of hardware usage and the raw power being used.

Deepcut9

Either way, by using those said tricks, developpers got to go farther then what was possible before. By acquiring those tricks they've gathered knowledge on how to save power and process the data better and thus adding more to the game. In the end all those said tricks, helped develop the games we have now.

Imo I wouldn't call them tricks either, by using one platform (ie NFL '02 vs NFL '08) and expanding farther, the developpers got to make the previous code lighter and add to it to make the next installment more complex. That's why at the same time, while the game takes as much space as some of the previous installment did on the disc, still had more features then the previous one.

It's more of a matter of acquiring technics, skills and knowledge then using mongus bogus magical tricks that turns your console into a system that can process data it should be impossible to. And by acquiring all those technqiues, you pushes the potential of the system farther...

I'll say that I've seen the maximum of the capabilities when Dynasty Warrior Y will be a mere unconsiderable upgrade from Dynasty Warrior X, (much like DW 4 and 5 which weren't really different from one another).

I Agree with the Above Poster.

Those so called "Tricks" made the games look better - therefore when "tricks" are used on the PS3, things will look even more stunning.

Theres no denying the rock solid proof that Metal Gear Solid 4 will push the PS3's hardware to its breaking point.Deepcut9

MGS4 is not even pushing the graphics of the PS3 that much, If you compare it to Killzone 2 ....

Um did I say something wrong?

Well then, I guess this must be moved to system wars, because of the way people are getting all touchy and defensive on me.

Deepcut9

[QUOTE="Deepcut9"]Theres no denying the rock solid proof that Metal Gear Solid 4 will push the PS3's hardware to its breaking point.Sony_92

MGS4 is not even pushing the graphics of the PS3 that much, If you compare it to Killzone 2 ....

i dont believe we have seen the full potntial of either machine, and for the wii also.Lo_Rising

MSG4 will not push it to its breaking point.. are you retarded?Macri

yeah this is a pretty useless thread dude, how could a system thats been out for this short amount of time already be tapped out?lethal18

My words exactly.