Hideo Kojima criticizes over-hyped games!

Metal Gear Solid 4 creator Hideo Kojima, who promoted the game with a rock star launch party here in the United States, has today criticized the game industry for over hyping video games and hurting sales.

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

signore

I beg to differ. I beat GTAIV and got 100% within a week. MGS4 has tons of unlockables and plenty to do after beating it once. I've beaten it 6 times and I'm still playing.

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

signore

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

[QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

AgentH

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

hes hyping about non hyping, but kojima definately has a point. IMHO this gen doesn't seem as good as last or earlier mainly because games have become mainstream. Since more people play games now, developers dont see the need to put their creavity muscles into overdrive as much as before. They can release a games with tons of bugs crappy story or gameplay and more people will buy it than they did last gen cause there is a larger market now. Also name comes into play, since some of the big franchises have become widely popular, they don't see the need to do more in their work, (not to sound like i'm bashing them) ex: square enix hasn't really done a good to die for FF since maybe X.silentkill62696

I agree 100%, video games were hundreds of times better last gen when games were still an isolated entertainment.

[QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

Ket87

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

And you have raiden so whats your point? I have sack girl Nariko... some guy has al bundy its just an avatar

[QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

Ket87

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

If games weren't over hyped, then how would EA sell games. They rely on hype and in your face addcampaignsto sell their mediocre games.

I would really like to see the hype dropped down and let reality drive the video game industry. It might result in better games being made. Though it probably does serve a functional purpose in the gaming industry. Hype sells games, and brings in large amounts of money allowing the industry to grow. I large revenue from hyped games, they can then invest that money into well made games that need that large amount of capitol to produce. The best games aren't made cheaply(there are some great cheap games worth noting though). Then there are companies like EA that invest the money from their over hyped games into other over hyped games, and yield a quality product on occasion (possibly by accident).

In fairness to GTA4, it wasn't hyped by it's publisher, it was hypedindependentlyby things like gamespot. Rockstar rarely released bits of information and videos before it was released. It wasn't until shortly before it came out that any of the gaming press got to sit with it in person. MGS4 was another game that was hyped by the gaming press and not by Konami. FFXIII as well.

[QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

xmitchconnorx

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I like how everybody isn't hyping Resistance 2 to the limit and that is good. But when I see tons of threads about LBP, I get worried that this game might not be as appealing to gamers after all and it's a PS3 exclusive which is worse. In my opinion, LBP is over hyped and Resistance 2 deserves more attention because that game will own and you can quote me on that. It has an interesting storyline when LBP doesn't. It has a better online and we have to agree with this considering most of us played Resistance: Fall of Man online and know how awesome this game is online. 60 players? can't get any better.(well MAG can :P) I'm not saying LBP doesn't look cool or good or anything like that, but I think it's not that big, at least for me. I'm more into story driven games and adventures then just creating maps and jumping around with friends. My opinion.AgentH

For me, LBP is a great gamers game.

We all have had wet dreams about being game designers when we were younger, and this games gives us that, plus a great plataformer with infinite replayability.

If everything goes well.

I like how everybody isn't hyping Resistance 2 to the limit and that is good. But when I see tons of threads about LBP, I get worried that this game might not be as appealing to gamers after all and it's a PS3 exclusive which is worse. In my opinion, LBP is over hyped and Resistance 2 deserves more attention because that game will own and you can quote me on that. It has an interesting storyline when LBP doesn't. It has a better online and we have to agree with this considering most of us played Resistance: Fall of Man online and know how awesome this game is online. 60 players? can't get any better.(well MAG can :P) I'm not saying LBP doesn't look cool or good or anything like that, but I think it's not that big, at least for me. I'm more into story driven games and adventures then just creating maps and jumping around with friends. My opinion.AgentH

For me, LBP is a great gamers game.

We all have had wet dreams about being game designers when we were younger, and this games gives us that, plus a great plataformer with infinite replayability.

If everything goes well.

[QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

GreenGoblin2099

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people.

It's not about MGS4 vs everything else, so don't make it that. I agree with Kojima. There has been a lot of crap that only sells because of the marketing.

MGS4's hype was a bit different because the "hype" was amongst the Metal Gear fanbase. Sure anybody can play it, but MGS4 was meant for the fans of the Metal Gear franchise. The sole purpose alone is just to end the story and tie up all loose ends.

Games like GTA4, Halo, Gears Of War, COD4, Warhawk are meant for the masses. That's where I see Kojima's point in. Games like Madden, where people buy it because it has the Madden name despite being utter crap for the past 3 or 4 years. Or Halo even, or Call Of Duty. Companies think "cash cow" and think they can dish out crap with little effort and people stll buy it. Atleast Kojima has passion and made the game for US, not solely for the $$$. That's not coming from a fan of Metal Gear, it's coming from a fan of games in general.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people. xmitchconnorx

I'm not saying he's a stupid fanboy... only that he worships Kojima.

[QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"] I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people. GreenGoblin2099

I'm not saying he's a stupid fanboy... only that he worships Kojima.

I wasn't saying your were, i was just saying.

LAWL!

People just calm the hell down and play the games! :D

They are here for our relaxation and enjoyment, not to argue over which is better. Its allllll a matter of opinion anyway.

If you ask me, the reason why games are being so overhyped is easy, and half of the reason is quite EASILY apparent in this thread right here. And im SURE i dont even need to point it out to you all :)

So just shhhh, relax, and enjoy a great generation of gaming :)

I like how everybody isn't hyping Resistance 2 to the limit and that is good. But when I see tons of threads about LBP, I get worried that this game might not be as appealing to gamers after all and it's a PS3 exclusive which is worse. In my opinion, LBP is over hyped and Resistance 2 deserves more attention because that game will own and you can quote me on that. It has an interesting storyline when LBP doesn't. It has a better online and we have to agree with this considering most of us played Resistance: Fall of Man online and know how awesome this game is online. 60 players? can't get any better.(well MAG can :P) I'm not saying LBP doesn't look cool or good or anything like that, but I think it's not that big, at least for me. I'm more into story driven games and adventures then just creating maps and jumping around with friends. My opinion.AgentH

I totally agree with you about Resistance 2. Its gonna be one of the best games of the holiday season and when it arrives, people are going to wish they didn't use all their hype on fizzers like GTAIV and Haze.

I also think LBP is gonna be really cool though. I mean, there isn't a story but I think I'll use it to just mess about, maybe even create my own story driven narrative. In saying that, I have to admit that I too have my doubts about the game's longevity however.

Games are lacking in creativity nowadays, all the big publishers care about is the sales which ultimately decides the fate of the longevity and usefulness of a developer for them. But creativity isn't gone by any means, its just not as great as the good old PS/PS2 days where it was during this time where all the modern big franchises set the stone. Theres just too much at stake with the costs of technology right now.

[QUOTE="silentkill62696"]hes hyping about non hyping, but kojima definately has a point. IMHO this gen doesn't seem as good as last or earlier mainly because games have become mainstream. Since more people play games now, developers dont see the need to put their creavity muscles into overdrive as much as before. They can release a games with tons of bugs crappy story or gameplay and more people will buy it than they did last gen cause there is a larger market now. Also name comes into play, since some of the big franchises have become widely popular, they don't see the need to do more in their work, (not to sound like i'm bashing them) ex: square enix hasn't really done a good to die for FF since maybe X.Flame_Blade88

I agree 100%, video games were hundreds of times better last gen when games were still an isolated entertainment.

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

Well, Hideo Kojima would certainly know about overhyped games :P ......as far as I am concerned.

Hideo is someone to talk about hype. PFFT. MGS games are the most overhyped game everytime! I love the games though :P Big fan here, but I think that marketing plays a prominent role in the game and GTAIV doesn't suck.

Just that, Hideo....of all people, to criticise overhyped games. PFFFFFFFFFT! HAHA!!!! Biggest joke ever!!! *goes back to kill Vamp and level up in MGO*

Now that video games are highly mainstream and being marketed to everyone, developers with hyped marketing will always be needed and will not seize to exist. I do agree that these tamper franchises due to Devs taking their games to lightly because of the following they have (Madden for example). The gaming world use to be so pure. The industry use to be marketed to gamers and gamers alike. There were never fan boys, casuals, hard corers etc. just gamers. You gamed for fun and/or for fair competition. (Who can beat Super Mario Bros. the fastest?) I remember when my parents use to play video games and it was not different than doing the Crossword or Sudoku. Video games use to be made to reach certain fan base that they pertained to. Everyone couldn't play games like Mike Tyson's Punchout, Legend of Zelda or Megaman. No one felt like they had to play games like Mike Tyson's Punchout, Legend of Zelda or Megaman either. You weren't any less than any gamer because certain games didn't fit in your hobby list. I remember when gaming reviews where irrelevant. You just walk in a store and pick up any game that looked interesting to your taste. Now with games being made for a younger generation, (the first 4 generations of gaming was dominated by adult gamers. Look it up it's in the history books), games become more of a trend and with trends comes hype that equals a mediocre game being successful because we all gave into the trend to be cool. Why this? Because we are not real gamers until we get all the golden guns in COD4. I feel with today's hype in video games and the increase in sequels, New IP's will be a rare thing to come by.

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

Flame_Blade88

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

i agree with hideo, games r a bit overhyped nowdays. back in the good ole days we could tell a good game by the graphics and who was behind it. nowdays everybodys got graphics and advertisments. If they took out online on half these new games they probably wouldnt be as big as they are today. ( hmm come to think of it, i havent replayed any of my next gen games. not GTAIV or MGS and i cant even remember the last time ive played online)

and no offence but i still cant see y everyones hyped up about LBP. ooo i get to build a doll..o no i mean a sack big whoop i was playing with barbies errr um action figures long before i touched a gamepad:P

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

signore

I absolutely love MGS, but I have to agree with this (besides GTA owning MGS across the board cause thats just opinion). Anyhow for the raging MGS fanboys MGS4 is perfection. For long term MGS fans it was a disappointment in many ways. Mainly in the story department.

Kojima shouldn't be one to complain about hype cause....HES THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO HYPE! Remember the TGS 05 trailer? The one that completely blows away what MGS4 actually looks like now? Here's a refresher...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8347.html

On top of the fact of that footage being far superior to the real MGS4, pay attention to the end where they hype the Cell as key to winning the console war lol. Talk about hype machine.

You ever notice how Kojima always said "ok guys this is the last MGS" or "last one I direct" since MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 and now MGS4. It builds hype! Then he falls back on his word every time for the love of $$$.

Remember how he said MGS3 would be a free roaming jungle? Survival techniques would play a major role? Then it boiled down to linear rooms with jungle textures and survival is just a pause menu.

How about with MGS4 when he talked about creating a dynamic world were things would grow and die, everything would be destructible with realistic physics blah blah blah..What about when he kept saying we could side with any group in the conflict? Oh yeah and remember how they were gonna make psychological warfare a major part of the gameplay? Wow so we got a psyche meter lol. Remember the part were they said we would get to go to a place MG/MGS fans have been waiting to go for 20 years? Well were was that? Oh and scanning for lifeforms and machines through different modes of the solid eye like in the TGS 05 trailer. Glad we got that huh? You gotta love the part were they said cutscenes would no longer be watching, but actually playing and interacting. Not to mention the little lies like customizable hud, custom controls etc...

Anybody remember on the Koji Pro site when he said his force of 3 (Kojima, Murata, Shinkawa) are breathing life into the PS3 and the next gen. Sounds like hype to me.

Look back at trailers for MGS2 and MGS3 also. Man they sure made the games look a lot crazier than they really turned out to be. Harrier fight on Hudson river bridge? Outrunning flood water in the tanker? Snake eating his food and curing in real time? Just a few examples.

I could go on forever about Kojimas hype machine seriously.

I agree with his statement about too much hype for games nowadays, but he is a hypocrite for saying it. If the head of Team Ico would have said it then it would have made more sense honestly.

[QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

treelog82

I absolutely love MGS, but I have to agree with this (besides GTA owning MGS across the board cause thats just opinion). Anyhow for the raging MGS fanboys MGS4 is perfection. For long term MGS fans it was a disappointment in many ways. Mainly in the story department.

Kojima shouldn't be one to complain about hype cause....HES THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO HYPE! Remember the TGS 05 trailer? The one that completely blows away what MGS4 actually looks like now? Here's a refresher...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8347.html

On top of the fact of that footage being far superior to the real MGS4, pay attention to the end where they hype the Cell as key to winning the console war lol. Talk about hype machine.

You ever notice how Kojima always said "ok guys this is the last MGS" or "last one I direct" since MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 and now MGS4. It builds hype! Then he falls back on his word every time for the love of $$$.

Remember how he said MGS3 would be a free roaming jungle? Survival techniques would play a major role? Then it boiled down to linear rooms with jungle textures and survival is just a pause menu.

How about with MGS4 when he talked about creating a dynamic world were things would grow and die, everything would be destructible with realistic physics blah blah blah..What about when he kept saying we could side with any group in the conflict? Oh yeah and remember how they were gonna make psychological warfare a major part of the gameplay? Wow so we got a psyche meter lol. Remember the part were they said we would get to go to a place MG/MGS fans have been waiting to go for 20 years? Well were was that? Oh and scanning for lifeforms and machines through different modes of the solid eye like in the TGS 05 trailer. Glad we got that huh? You gotta love the part were they said cutscenes would no longer be watching, but actually playing and interacting. Not to mention the little lies like customizable hud, custom controls etc...

Anybody remember on the Koji Pro site when he said his force of 3 (Kojima, Murata, Shinkawa) are breathing life into the PS3 and the next gen. Sounds like hype to me.

Look back at trailers for MGS2 and MGS3 also. Man they sure made the games look a lot crazier than they really turned out to be. Harrier fight on Hudson river bridge? Outrunning flood water in the tanker? Snake eating his food and curing in real time? Just a few examples.

I could go on forever about Kojimas hype machine seriously.

I agree with his statement about too much hype for games nowadays, but he is a hypocrite for saying it. If the head of Team Ico would have said it then it would have made more sense honestly.

^^^^

This this this. Kojima always hypes his games to an astronomical level. MGS1 and MGS2 really lived up to the hype for most fans, but MGS3 and MGS4 were a let down for many. Just because you love MGS doesn't mean you have acknowledge the entire series as perfection. That's were the line is drawn between fan and fanboy.

But yeah, besides Itagaki, Kojima is the hype master. Who is he to talk about overhyping games. That would be like a bungie rep coming out and saying that he hates how the industry overhypes FPS games.

Kojima is a brilliant designer and an intelligent man, but to be honest he is also a PR machine, a hypocrite and a smart liar.

[QUOTE="treelog82"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

hhttppp

I absolutely love MGS, but I have to agree with this (besides GTA owning MGS across the board cause thats just opinion). Anyhow for the raging MGS fanboys MGS4 is perfection. For long term MGS fans it was a disappointment in many ways. Mainly in the story department.

Kojima shouldn't be one to complain about hype cause....HES THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO HYPE! Remember the TGS 05 trailer? The one that completely blows away what MGS4 actually looks like now? Here's a refresher...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8347.html

On top of the fact of that footage being far superior to the real MGS4, pay attention to the end where they hype the Cell as key to winning the console war lol. Talk about hype machine.

You ever notice how Kojima always said "ok guys this is the last MGS" or "last one I direct" since MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 and now MGS4. It builds hype! Then he falls back on his word every time for the love of $$$.

Remember how he said MGS3 would be a free roaming jungle? Survival techniques would play a major role? Then it boiled down to linear rooms with jungle textures and survival is just a pause menu.

How about with MGS4 when he talked about creating a dynamic world were things would grow and die, everything would be destructible with realistic physics blah blah blah..What about when he kept saying we could side with any group in the conflict? Oh yeah and remember how they were gonna make psychological warfare a major part of the gameplay? Wow so we got a psyche meter lol. Remember the part were they said we would get to go to a place MG/MGS fans have been waiting to go for 20 years? Well were was that? Oh and scanning for lifeforms and machines through different modes of the solid eye like in the TGS 05 trailer. Glad we got that huh? You gotta love the part were they said cutscenes would no longer be watching, but actually playing and interacting. Not to mention the little lies like customizable hud, custom controls etc...

Anybody remember on the Koji Pro site when he said his force of 3 (Kojima, Murata, Shinkawa) are breathing life into the PS3 and the next gen. Sounds like hype to me.

Look back at trailers for MGS2 and MGS3 also. Man they sure made the games look a lot crazier than they really turned out to be. Harrier fight on Hudson river bridge? Outrunning flood water in the tanker? Snake eating his food and curing in real time? Just a few examples.

I could go on forever about Kojimas hype machine seriously.

I agree with his statement about too much hype for games nowadays, but he is a hypocrite for saying it. If the head of Team Ico would have said it then it would have made more sense honestly.

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This this this. Kojima always hypes his games to an astronomical level. MGS1 and MGS2 really lived up to the hype for most fans, but MGS3 and MGS4 were a let down for many. Just because you love MGS doesn't mean you have acknowledge the entire series as perfection. That's were the line is drawn between fan and fanboy.

But yeah, besides Itagaki, Kojima is the hype master. Who is he to talk about overhyping games. That would be like a bungie rep coming out and saying that he hates how the industry overhypes FPS games.

Kojima is a brilliant designer and an intelligent man, but to be honest he is also a PR machine, a hypocrite and a smart liar.

[QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

AgentH

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

i agree to this ,ive replayed MGS4 A LOT more then GTA4, i got bored of GTA4 the first time i finished it!

maybe he just meant overhyping games and then not delivering on the hype.. unlike MGS4 8)americahellyeah

Nice lol

Anyone disagree

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[QUOTE="silentkill62696"]hes hyping about non hyping, but kojima definately has a point. IMHO this gen doesn't seem as good as last or earlier mainly because games have become mainstream. Since more people play games now, developers dont see the need to put their creavity muscles into overdrive as much as before. They can release a games with tons of bugs crappy story or gameplay and more people will buy it than they did last gen cause there is a larger market now. Also name comes into play, since some of the big franchises have become widely popular, they don't see the need to do more in their work, (not to sound like i'm bashing them) ex: square enix hasn't really done a good to die for FF since maybe X.AgentH

I agree 100%, video games were hundreds of times better last gen when games were still an isolated entertainment.

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

Take a game like Gears or Resistance that has co-op threw the story and look at that, your enjoying single player with a friend, add in multi and your cooking with gas. MGS4 on the other hand handled single player great but multi is just a tacked on addition, that allows Konami to milk fans for every dollar, come on charging for characters, not to mention how adding friends is poorly handled, as much as MGS4 does right in single, it messes things twice as much on multi.

Every game is hyped to a certain degree from the devs, so that they get people interested, after that its the fans or media that puts these games on a pedestal that is so high its almost impossible to please everyone. MGS4 is no exception, as much as this game was hyped, many people complained about over extended cut scenes and a lack luster online.

Lets look at Halo 3, this game was over hyped by devs, media, fans and the such, I mean the midnight release was treated like a console release. To many people this game failed, but lets look at the target audience, THE FANS, who loved it and still support it, it moved a mass number of consoles and content and still has one of the biggest online communities around and it brought in new fans.

Lets look at MGS4, this game was over hyped by devs, media, fans and the such, it too had a rock star type of release. To many this game failed, but lets look at the target audience, THE FANS ( you being one of them ) love it, supported it and it moved consoles but not as much as Halo 3. So is it a failure? NO it did what it was supposed to do, please most fans, sell systems, and add more fans.

[QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

treelog82

I absolutely love MGS, but I have to agree with this (besides GTA owning MGS across the board cause thats just opinion). Anyhow for the raging MGS fanboys MGS4 is perfection. For long term MGS fans it was a disappointment in many ways. Mainly in the story department.

Kojima shouldn't be one to complain about hype cause....HES THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO HYPE! Remember the TGS 05 trailer? The one that completely blows away what MGS4 actually looks like now? Here's a refresher...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/8347.html

On top of the fact of that footage being far superior to the real MGS4, pay attention to the end where they hype the Cell as key to winning the console war lol. Talk about hype machine.

You ever notice how Kojima always said "ok guys this is the last MGS" or "last one I direct" since MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 and now MGS4. It builds hype! Then he falls back on his word every time for the love of $$$.

Remember how he said MGS3 would be a free roaming jungle? Survival techniques would play a major role? Then it boiled down to linear rooms with jungle textures and survival is just a pause menu.

How about with MGS4 when he talked about creating a dynamic world were things would grow and die, everything would be destructible with realistic physics blah blah blah..What about when he kept saying we could side with any group in the conflict? Oh yeah and remember how they were gonna make psychological warfare a major part of the gameplay? Wow so we got a psyche meter lol. Remember the part were they said we would get to go to a place MG/MGS fans have been waiting to go for 20 years? Well were was that? Oh and scanning for lifeforms and machines through different modes of the solid eye like in the TGS 05 trailer. Glad we got that huh? You gotta love the part were they said cutscenes would no longer be watching, but actually playing and interacting. Not to mention the little lies like customizable hud, custom controls etc...

Anybody remember on the Koji Pro site when he said his force of 3 (Kojima, Murata, Shinkawa) are breathing life into the PS3 and the next gen. Sounds like hype to me.

Look back at trailers for MGS2 and MGS3 also. Man they sure made the games look a lot crazier than they really turned out to be. Harrier fight on Hudson river bridge? Outrunning flood water in the tanker? Snake eating his food and curing in real time? Just a few examples.

I could go on forever about Kojimas hype machine seriously.

I agree with his statement about too much hype for games nowadays, but he is a hypocrite for saying it. If the head of Team Ico would have said it then it would have made more sense honestly.

Look at the guy that made Fable ( cant remember his name ) he hyped the 1st one up just as much as Kojima with previous MGS's and he made a solid game but most people didnt care they wanted what he promised ( this time he kept his mouth closed ), well the same applies here.

DONT BE YES MEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU HAVE TO SEE THREW THE SLICK TALK. IF YOU FANBOYS WAS GIRLS KOJIMA WOULD HAVE TALKED YALL OUT YOUR PANTIES ON THE 1ST DATE.:lol:

It's not about MGS4 vs everything else, so don't make it that. I agree with Kojima. There has been a lot of crap that only sells because of the marketing.

MGS4's hype was a bit different because the "hype" was amongst the Metal Gear fanbase. Sure anybody can play it, but MGS4 was meant for the fans of the Metal Gear franchise. The sole purpose alone is just to end the story and tie up all loose ends.

Games like GTA4, Halo, Gears Of War, COD4, Warhawk are meant for the masses. That's where I see Kojima's point in. Games like Madden, where people buy it because it has the Madden name despite being utter crap for the past 3 or 4 years. Or Halo even, or Call Of Duty. Companies think "cash cow" and think they can dish out crap with little effort and people stll buy it. Atleast Kojima has passion and made the game for US, not solely for the $$$. That's not coming from a fan of Metal Gear, it's coming from a fan of games in general.

Denji

Kojima is just one of them making game just for money, if he see's what Criterion company doing right now he would relise that he is just like those rockstar company etc hyping a game just for money aswell.

Well, Kojima has a good point...

to start with i am a very good fan of both products (mgs n gta).....n i av played both games...i could hardly see a flaw in mgs4 n the graphics is incredible...likewise the gta4 but gta messed up completely with the driving on vehicles in that game...n till date i was pissed off, cos u can't do a perfect 90 degress...cos the car will spin out of control...besides how on earth will cars sway left n right at dat degree....its totally unreal...plus rockstar are used to make car race games like midnight club series....or don't they have testers? infact they don't even need game testers to know that the driving is rubbish...i played this gta on a 50" hd for the first time to win the hearts of some new games... and the first thing that everyone including a novice complained about is the driving simulation, then the story is completely useless, doesn't connect like the san andreas or vice city...till the make another one that is better, there fan has reduced by one plus 10 of the new commers i tried to entertain.

yeah same for that stupid ff13. hyped until i felt nothing now if they decide to announce something because it's like the game never finish. they'll announce something again about it at this end of 2008 and start of 2009.

so hyped till it tasted bitter and bored.

Kojima is like an artist, and obviously enjoys wat he does. mgs4 was not a failure. but i hate all this hype on so many games, an so many of them fail. gta4 was supposedly labelled as one of the greatest games ever by some ppl. sooooo wrong. i enjoyed vice city more than this one. and haze. and mercs 2. and too human. i suppose i should add spore to the list, enjoyable, but not god's gift.trenno2529

Well, Kojima has a good point...

to start with i am a very good fan of both products (mgs n gta).....n i av played both games...i could hardly see a flaw in mgs4 n the graphics is incredible...likewise the gta4 but gta messed up completely with the driving on vehicles in that game...n till date i was pissed off, cos u can't do a perfect 90 degress...cos the car will spin out of control...besides how on earth will cars sway left n right at dat degree....its totally unreal...plus rockstar are used to make car race games like midnight club series....or don't they have testers? infact they don't even need game testers to know that the driving is rubbish...i played this gta on a 50" hd for the first time to win the hearts of some new games... and the first thing that everyone including a novice complained about is the driving simulation, then the story is completely useless, doesn't connect like the san andreas or vice city...till the make another one that is better, there fan has reduced by one plus 10 of the new commers i tried to entertain.

combonext

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

xmitchconnorx

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people.

Played MGS 14 times over... mindless fanboy.

MGS was for the fans, i agree, that`s also it`s biggest weakness. You gotta absolutely love that story to sit through all the boring cutscenes, not to mention 14 times?!? I have nothing in common with this gamer.

It`s the same as listening to one of the Lord of the ring fans camping outside the cinema, trying to tell them that the series was pretty bad when it comes to dramaturgy. Pont is, discussing with superfanboys like that is pretty uninteresting.

I like how everybody isn't hyping Resistance 2 to the limit and that is good. But when I see tons of threads about LBP, I get worried that this game might not be as appealing to gamers after all and it's a PS3 exclusive which is worse. In my opinion, LBP is over hyped and Resistance 2 deserves more attention because that game will own and you can quote me on that. It has an interesting storyline when LBP doesn't. It has a better online and we have to agree with this considering most of us played Resistance: Fall of Man online and know how awesome this game is online. 60 players? can't get any better.(well MAG can :P) I'm not saying LBP doesn't look cool or good or anything like that, but I think it's not that big, at least for me. I'm more into story driven games and adventures then just creating maps and jumping around with friends. My opinion.AgentH

i agree with you and Kojima however i'm going to quote you because predictions have a tendency to fall flat on their face.

hope you're right though :P