Hideo Kojima criticizes over-hyped games!

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

Timmeus

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

[QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

sebbi11

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people.

Played MGS 14 times over... mindless fanboy.

MGS was for the fans, i agree, that`s also it`s biggest weakness. You gotta absolutely love that story to sit through all the boring cutscenes, not to mention 14 times?!? I have nothing in common with this gamer.

It`s the same as listening to one of the Lord of the ring fans camping outside the cinema, trying to tell them that the series was pretty bad when it comes to dramaturgy. Pont is, discussing with superfanboys like that is pretty uninteresting.

I played 14 times to complete all 40 emblems. The first 2 playthroughs were story reserved so I didn't skip any cutscenes or codec conversations but the 12 remaining playthroughs, I had to skip to finish as fast as possible the emblems required and not because they were boring or long. If there's anything boring, it's you with your accusations of "fanboyism" and randomly throwing garbage words. MGS fans don't get enough of MGS games. I have been playing MGS1 for the past decade, I play it twice a year, every year and the same goes with every other MGS games. I just can't get enough. In the case of MGS4, each time I was playing I was having more fun and exploring the game even more. The more I played MGS4, the more I got the most out of it until I got it all. And I tried to switch to another game but keep coming back because of MGS4 perfection in replayability and as a fan, I sometimes miss the fun gameplay. As we speak I am currently replaying the game just to watch the beautiful cutscenes. There are many reasons for a person to replay a Metal Gear Solid game. The reasons range from storyline, cutscenes, gameplay exploration, emblems, challenges or just having fun.

[QUOTE="Timmeus"][QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

RandomBeast

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

I think the problem with Sony fans is that with the push of FPS and the lack of RPG's on PS3 people are getting tired. Im not comparing consoles but people say 360 is a FPS magnet but they have a lot more RPG's or something that gives you a good story than PS3 at the moment.

I dont know if its out yet but when Bioshock drops for the PS3, even though its FP it will deliver the story to wake PS3 owners up, its so good I might buy it again for PS3. I loved MGS 4 and I am a fan of the series and wanted to finish the story badly but IMO Uncharted did a better job, it felt like a summer movie and I didnt have all the cut scenes filled with pointless talk but MGS 4 is the better game.

[QUOTE="sebbi11"][QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

AgentH

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people.

Played MGS 14 times over... mindless fanboy.

MGS was for the fans, i agree, that`s also it`s biggest weakness. You gotta absolutely love that story to sit through all the boring cutscenes, not to mention 14 times?!? I have nothing in common with this gamer.

It`s the same as listening to one of the Lord of the ring fans camping outside the cinema, trying to tell them that the series was pretty bad when it comes to dramaturgy. Pont is, discussing with superfanboys like that is pretty uninteresting.

I played 14 times to complete all 40 emblems. The first 2 playthroughs were story reserved so I didn't skip any cutscenes or codec conversations but the 12 remaining playthroughs, I had to skip to finish as fast as possible the emblems required and not because they were boring or long. If there's anything boring, it's you with your accusations of "fanboyism" and randomly throwing garbage words. MGS fans don't get enough of MGS games. I have been playing MGS1 for the past decade, I play it twice a year, every year and the same goes with every other MGS games. I just can't get enough. In the case of MGS4, each time I was playing I was having more fun and exploring the game even more. The more I played MGS4, the more I got the most out of it until I got it all. And I tried to switch to another game but keep coming back because of MGS4 perfection in replayability and as a fan, I sometimes miss the fun gameplay. As we speak I am currently replaying the game just to watch the beautiful cutscenes. There are many reasons for a person to replay a Metal Gear Solid game. The reasons range from storyline, cutscenes, gameplay exploration, emblems, challenges or just having fun.

[QUOTE="RandomBeast"][QUOTE="Timmeus"][QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

franky_babylon

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

I think the problem with Sony fans is that with the push of FPS and the lack of RPG's on PS3 people are getting tired. Im not comparing consoles but people say 360 is a FPS magnet but they have a lot more RPG's or something that gives you a good story than PS3 at the moment.

I dont know if its out yet but when Bioshock drops for the PS3, even though its FP it will deliver the story to wake PS3 owners up, its so good I might buy it again for PS3. I loved MGS 4 and I am a fan of the series and wanted to finish the story badly but IMO Uncharted did a better job, it felt like a summer movie and I didnt have all the cut scenes filled with pointless talk but MGS 4 is the better game.

[QUOTE="franky_babylon"][QUOTE="RandomBeast"][QUOTE="Timmeus"][QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

AgentH

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

I think the problem with Sony fans is that with the push of FPS and the lack of RPG's on PS3 people are getting tired. Im not comparing consoles but people say 360 is a FPS magnet but they have a lot more RPG's or something that gives you a good story than PS3 at the moment.

I dont know if its out yet but when Bioshock drops for the PS3, even though its FP it will deliver the story to wake PS3 owners up, its so good I might buy it again for PS3. I loved MGS 4 and I am a fan of the series and wanted to finish the story badly but IMO Uncharted did a better job, it felt like a summer movie and I didnt have all the cut scenes filled with pointless talk but MGS 4 is the better game.

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

[QUOTE="silentkill62696"]hes hyping about non hyping, but kojima definately has a point. IMHO this gen doesn't seem as good as last or earlier mainly because games have become mainstream. Since more people play games now, developers dont see the need to put their creavity muscles into overdrive as much as before. They can release a games with tons of bugs crappy story or gameplay and more people will buy it than they did last gen cause there is a larger market now. Also name comes into play, since some of the big franchises have become widely popular, they don't see the need to do more in their work, (not to sound like i'm bashing them) ex: square enix hasn't really done a good to die for FF since maybe X.AgentH

I agree 100%, video games were hundreds of times better last gen when games were still an isolated entertainment.

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

[QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"][QUOTE="xmitchconnorx"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

sebbi11

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

Dude you got a Hideo Kojima avatar for your profile....

Just because someone is a fan enough of Kojima to have him as an avatar, doesn't make said person a fanboy.

I've been here long enough to tell you that AgentH worships Kojima and his work. Not a bad thing IMO.

I've seen enough of his posts to see that he's not a mindless fanboy like plenty of other people.

Played MGS 14 times over... mindless fanboy.

MGS was for the fans, i agree, that`s also it`s biggest weakness. You gotta absolutely love that story to sit through all the boring cutscenes, not to mention 14 times?!? I have nothing in common with this gamer.

It`s the same as listening to one of the Lord of the ring fans camping outside the cinema, trying to tell them that the series was pretty bad when it comes to dramaturgy. Pont is, discussing with superfanboys like that is pretty uninteresting.

Keep the words for yourself that mgs4 is boring. If u don't like the genre, that's it.

Yeah, people just need to stop hyping in general.Flame_Blade88

I hate to say it but i love when people hype games, just because if its a big let down in the end (haze) we can all laugh about the fact we all wasted some life looking at the new pre-release bs that was put out. Right now im drooling over the new fallout3, and fable 2,gow2, rs2 and who knows some of these games might be let downs. Sure the hell hope not because i will be spending big cash on these titles.

I like how everybody isn't hyping Resistance 2 to the limit and that is good. But when I see tons of threads about LBP, I get worried that this game might not be as appealing to gamers after all and it's a PS3 exclusive which is worse. In my opinion, LBP is over hyped and Resistance 2 deserves more attention because that game will own and you can quote me on that. It has an interesting storyline when LBP doesn't. It has a better online and we have to agree with this considering most of us played Resistance: Fall of Man online and know how awesome this game is online. 60 players? can't get any better.(well MAG can :P) I'm not saying LBP doesn't look cool or good or anything like that, but I think it's not that big, at least for me. I'm more into story driven games and adventures then just creating maps and jumping around with friends. My opinion.AgentH

Can you see the irony in his words??GreenGoblin2099

LOL. I have to agree.

[QUOTE="silentkill62696"]hes hyping about non hyping, but kojima definately has a point. IMHO this gen doesn't seem as good as last or earlier mainly because games have become mainstream. Since more people play games now, developers dont see the need to put their creavity muscles into overdrive as much as before. They can release a games with tons of bugs crappy story or gameplay and more people will buy it than they did last gen cause there is a larger market now. Also name comes into play, since some of the big franchises have become widely popular, they don't see the need to do more in their work, (not to sound like i'm bashing them) ex: square enix hasn't really done a good to die for FF since maybe X.Flame_Blade88

I agree 100%, video games were hundreds of times better last gen when games were still an isolated entertainment.

I think i have never encountered a bug in last gen games, just because they had to release them perfect , were as now days they can patch games so they don't get worried about getting those bugs out. When in turn it pisses off some gamers because they want a glitch free game. I am one of those gamers.

It's not about MGS4 vs everything else, so don't make it that. I agree with Kojima. There has been a lot of crap that only sells because of the marketing.

MGS4's hype was a bit different because the "hype" was amongst the Metal Gear fanbase. Sure anybody can play it, but MGS4 was meant for the fans of the Metal Gear franchise. The sole purpose alone is just to end the story and tie up all loose ends.

Games like GTA4, Halo, Gears Of War, COD4, Warhawk are meant for the masses. That's where I see Kojima's point in. Games like Madden, where people buy it because it has the Madden name despite being utter crap for the past 3 or 4 years. Or Halo even, or Call Of Duty. Companies think "cash cow" and think they can dish out crap with little effort and people stll buy it. Atleast Kojima has passion and made the game for US, not solely for the $$$. That's not coming from a fan of Metal Gear, it's coming from a fan of games in general.

Denji

what about halo 2 and 3 i mean you had to play the others to make sense of those as well =p.

[QUOTE="AgentH"][QUOTE="franky_babylon"][QUOTE="RandomBeast"][QUOTE="Timmeus"][QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

franky_babylon

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

I think the problem with Sony fans is that with the push of FPS and the lack of RPG's on PS3 people are getting tired. Im not comparing consoles but people say 360 is a FPS magnet but they have a lot more RPG's or something that gives you a good story than PS3 at the moment.

I dont know if its out yet but when Bioshock drops for the PS3, even though its FP it will deliver the story to wake PS3 owners up, its so good I might buy it again for PS3. I loved MGS 4 and I am a fan of the series and wanted to finish the story badly but IMO Uncharted did a better job, it felt like a summer movie and I didnt have all the cut scenes filled with pointless talk but MGS 4 is the better game.

MGS4 was my first MGS and I thought the cut-scenes were awesome but the playtime definitely should of been longer especially SPOILER when your on that truck using the mounted gun to shoot the gecko, there was only a seconds of game-play then there'd be a cut-scene and back and fourth.

Metal Gear Solid 4 creator Hideo Kojima, who promoted the game with a rock star launch party here in the United States, has today criticized the game industry for over hyping video games and hurting sales.

The complaint arrived via a job posting at the Kojima Productions web site, were Kojima lamented that "the creativity of video games is now on the verge of crisis. Massive advertising campaigns are executed for games before their entertainment values are put into consideration all too often, resulting in sell-off tactics happening without hesitation."

Hideo Kojima criticism!

I have to agree with him. Only few of the hyped games come out as good as people would've thought they would be but most of them weren't that big and the perfect example was: GTAIV. AgentH

Metal Gear Solid 4 creator Hideo Kojima, who promoted the game with a rock star launch party here in the United States, has today criticized the game industry for over hyping video games and hurting sales.

The complaint arrived via a job posting at the Kojima Productions web site, were Kojima lamented that "the creativity of video games is now on the verge of crisis. Massive advertising campaigns are executed for games before their entertainment values are put into consideration all too often, resulting in sell-off tactics happening without hesitation."

Hideo Kojima criticism!

I have to agree with him. Only few of the hyped games come out as good as people would've thought they would be but most of them weren't that big and the perfect example was: GTAIV. AgentH

Thank you Hideo Kojima. Let the gaming world take note of MGS4. They may learn its not about fast profits but its about developing quality titles. When that happens then they can get our money. Hideo Kojima can even have my bank account.

Agree with Kojima san. Recently i finished playing assassins creed and i though " wooww so many hype so many publicity and this game is sooo imperfect" it lacks everything, theres always a flaw in the game, something "stupid" that in the end leads to you being killed i mean its like they created the game in about half a year.

In the making of MGS4 kojima and the entire team gave it everything to make a Perfect game and and this is what every game developer should do.

About the cutscenes, i have to say that i LOVE THE CUTSCENES, they just makes you feel so many emotions, in one moment your laughing and 30 mins later your crying this is what it is about this is why MGS cutscenes are so epic.

Side story: I was trying to get all the 40 emblems i had only 6 emblems left until my PS3 crushed :( and i have to send it back to sony hopefully i back up my saved data.

Metal Gear Solid 4 creator Hideo Kojima, who promoted the game with a rock star launch party here in the United States, has today criticized the game industry for over hyping video games and hurting sales.

The complaint arrived via a job posting at the Kojima Productions web site, were Kojima lamented that "the creativity of video games is now on the verge of crisis. Massive advertising campaigns are executed for games before their entertainment values are put into consideration all too often, resulting in sell-off tactics happening without hesitation."

Hideo Kojima criticism!

I have to agree with him. Only few of the hyped games come out as good as people would've thought they would be but most of them weren't that big and the perfect example was: GTAIV. AgentH

Are you in love with Hideo Kojima

Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentTheSonOfUgly

Yeh me too:(

i think that hideo kojima is talking out of his A*S as MGS4 had got be one of the most over hyped games evertagger343

It was HEAVILY hyped for the past 4 years with every trailer Kojima had given us but OVER hyped as in it turned out bad! No WAY! It exceeded my expectations and with all these crazy rumors that MGS4 has cutscenes that are over 90 mins long, I really got disappointed in the end because I thought IMO that MGS4 cutscenes were short and wanted more in some cases. But nevertheless, the game was nearly perfect since no game can be totally perfect.

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

signore

Thats funny, I beat MGS4 twice so far and plan to go back and beat again. GTA4 I beat once at 66% and didn't even bother finishing the missions...the whole game felt like a chore. NO REPLAY value there when the game is out right death defying BOOORRRING!!!

ly Kojima is right, there are many games out there that have been totally hyped with no end (ex. Halo 3), even though they were hyped and made big sales, to some, it was not what they expected it to be. GTA4 was also heavely hyped because of its rep for being a solid game thanks to the older games like Vice City and San Andreas. To me GTA4 was very good game that has A LOT of potential to give on the next installment (which Rockstar tends to do so of course).

LBP is being Hyped like crazy for a few reasons, the main one being that its very close to release, how unique the gamne is and my reason for gettin it; its a platformer. I know there are a lot of you that don't see what many see great in LBP, but that doesn't mean that its overly hyped unless the game comes out and the game flops or in the end people comment about it and say that they didn't really enjoyed it, thats how I would consider a game to be overly hyped, a great example of that would be Haze. My 2 cents

Just a few things that need to be pointed out.

GTA4 was/is a great game that deserves playing. Not necessarily replaying the story, but giving it a go. It is only being put down because of the hype. If wasn't hyped up like it was, then you think it to be a better game. Also the hype came externally from gaming publications/sites/forums in an effort to get more money/hits and pass the time. Are you not here to pass the time?

There were bugs in past generations. Can you honestly say that you never got stuck in a wall, fell through the floor, noticed hit detection that was slightly off, pop in that didn't happen on cue, or had a game freeze randomly? One of the reasons that there are more bugs today is that games are more complicated, and so have a lot more code that all has to line up perfectly.

It isn't a game pad, It is a F'n PADDLE. Go ahead call me old fashioned.

Yes, a game should be able to stand on it's single player alone. However, that doesn't mean multiplayer should be any less important. A lot can go wrong in online gaming, it is important to take the time s that it all works well and is fun. Online adds replay and value to your purchase, it is a good thing.

If you haven't played Bioshock yet, then get it when it comes out for the PS3. One of the best single player only games out.

ly Kojima is right, there are many games out there that have been totally hyped with no end (ex. Halo 3), even though they were hyped and made big sales, to some, it was not what they expected it to be. GTA4 was also heavely hyped because of its rep for being a solid game thanks to the older games like Vice City and San Andreas. To me GTA4 was very good game that has A LOT of potential to give on the next installment (which Rockstar tends to do so of course).

LBP is being Hyped like crazy for a few reasons, the main one being that its very close to release, how unique the gamne is and my reason for gettin it; its a platformer. I know there are a lot of you that don't see what many see great in LBP, but that doesn't mean that its overly hyped unless the game comes out and the game flops or in the end people comment about it and say that they didn't really enjoyed it, thats how I would consider a game to be overly hyped, a great example of that would be Haze. My 2 cents

WR_Platinum

Take MGS 4 hyped up too and here Kojima is pointing fingers, did it deliver on everything promised...NO, was it still a great game yes. Since MGS 4 is a exclusive title that is the flagship game for the PS3, fanboy's refuse to see that it has faults similar to Halo fanboys.

As you said the only game I can think of right now that was hyped up and failed is HAZE, it is so bad that it wasnt even ported to the 360 as planed.

[QUOTE="RandomBeast"][QUOTE="Timmeus"][QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Not last gen. only but the late 90s were the best. PS1 days to be more precised. WHY? Because DEVELOPERS were creating games and not focusing on the online or how well should the graphics and physics be!! That's why. This gen is all about GRAPHICS and ONLINE which is a BAD thing to begin with. I have given an example in a topic I created yesterday about games that are hyped for their online components or games that have ONLINE >>> Single Player. I clearly stated the most devs nowadays kinda either forgot how to create AWESOME single player modes/storymodes or just doing much like everybody else is, creating the online part of the game and just not putting their hard work on the single player part. WHAT if people DON'T HAVE access to ONLINE or high speed internet??? How would these people enjoy their games??? Just imagine what it would be like if you remove the online/multiplayer feature from the following games:

1- COD4
2- Resistance 1 & 2
3- Gears of War 1 & 2
4- Halo 1,2,3
5- Warhawk
6- Battlefield
7- Haze(have to add this)
8- WoW

If COD4 didn't have ONLINE, wow this game would've sucked pretty much because there is no way in hell I am replaying the campaign mode. Same goes with Halo, Gears, WoW, Warhawk etc...and every online based games.

DEVS need to consider that NOT everybody has access to HIGH SPEED internet so they need to offer that gamer at least a great single player with a bit of replayability.

As a hardcore Metal Gear fan, I can't but mention MGS4 as the perfect example of success and how well Kojima Productions created the storymode/single player and followed the same paths they did with MGS1, MGS2, MGS3...delivering another masterpiece that EVERYBODY could enjoy and not just those who have access to ONLINE or high speed internet. Not to mention the replayability and unlockables and many many MANY things you could do....in the SINGLE player mode. To me MGO is an extra content that isn't need at all and it was never one of the reasons why MGS4 was such a success or why the reviewers gave it a 10.

What would MGS4 be like if they've scrapped out MGO?

Much like every MGS game in the past starting with MGS1.

MGS4 didn't need CRYSIS like graphics and didn't need COD4/warhawk online to be a successful game. When you understand that statement, you'll understand how balanced MGS4 is comparing to other games this gen. and how far Kojima could go with creating games.

I'm giving another example, UNCHARTED. The most underated game of this gen. WHY? Because it didn't have online. This game is my second favorite storymode game after MGS4, though it was short but it was pretty good for Crash Bandicoot devs. and I appreciate what they've given us.

DEVS should follow onto Kojima footsteps and create games instead of creating GRAPHICS and ONLINE components. Just my 2 cents. Much like Snake said in MGS2: "Semper Fi. Who dares wins."

franky_babylon

I disagree with you graphics, physics and multiplayer are all important. There's a lot of effort gone into MGS4's graphics, online component and gameplay would you rather they just made a MGS with PS2 graphics and no online?If you can't or don't like to play online why should the rest of the world that enjoy multiplayer miss out?

I know this gen is and will be the best with all the effort gone into every aspect of games not just they're story and gameplay, don't get me wrong the story is important and game play is the most important to me and I enjoy single player only games but why should devs be narrow minded and only focus on stories, read a book or watch a movie if thats all you want.

All he's saying is that graphics and multiplayer aren't the most important things in a game. Personally, I'm feeling a little starved this gen with the lack of the single player games that made me fall in love with gaming.Books and films are great if you want an awesome story, but at times, I just need something a little more interactive.

It really gets me interested in a game if it gives me a compelling story that I can become enthralled by, instead of the immature, curse filled ramblings of snot nosed kids and trash talking ass wipes.

In conclusion, multiplayer is only as great as the people that you are forced to play with, and has become this gen's dominant aspect in games. This is a sad fact that I hope is reversed in the near future following the success of Hideo Kojima's masterpiece.

I think the problem with Sony fans is that with the push of FPS and the lack of RPG's on PS3 people are getting tired. Im not comparing consoles but people say 360 is a FPS magnet but they have a lot more RPG's or something that gives you a good story than PS3 at the moment.

I dont know if its out yet but when Bioshock drops for the PS3, even though its FP it will deliver the story to wake PS3 owners up, its so good I might buy it again for PS3. I loved MGS 4 and I am a fan of the series and wanted to finish the story badly but IMO Uncharted did a better job, it felt like a summer movie and I didnt have all the cut scenes filled with pointless talk but MGS 4 is the better game.

I agree with you. Now that I know all the twists and turns of the plot in MGS4, and even in Uncharted, I skip the cutscenes to get straight back to the game. I just love to be able to live the story, so to speak, and I felt that MGS4 did a great job of that as it draws you into the cutscenes, although now that they are out of the way I have less drive to play the game. It's just kinda sad to think that there are so few games like this in the current generation, in a community now obsessed with multiplayer.

Oh, and I'm definetely considering getting Bioshock, but I'd prefer a third person game tbh.

Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentTheSonOfUgly

[QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentgamer082009

your avatar worries me man.

The reasons range from storyline, cutscenes, gameplay exploration, emblems, challenges or just having fun.AgentH

Man, this should be kept in the value box of mankind. It deservers some oscars. I love the game.

[QUOTE="AgentH"]The reasons range from storyline, cutscenes, gameplay exploration, emblems, challenges or just having fun.ludacriss

Man, this should be kept in the value box of mankind. It deservers some oscars. I love the game.

That's correct.

[QUOTE="gamer082009"][QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentAgentH

your avatar worries me man.

[QUOTE="gamer082009"][QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentAgentH

your avatar worries me man.

[QUOTE="signore"]

be quiet TC, youre a raging MGS fanboy. To some people this game was a letdown too. Hype is what drives the gaming industry, otherwise we'd have nothing to look forward to

I agree MGS4 was a better game than GTA4,, but in terms of size, replay value and things to do, GTA4 owns MGS4 across the board

AgentH

not even close. MGS4 owns GTAIV in every aspect, replay value included. I have replayed MGS4 14 times when I couldn't bear replaying GTAIV a second time. In the end, it's a matter of taste in games like someone said above. And I'm not a fanboy.

14 times?

more replay value than gta4?

what are you, drunk?

mgs4--you can replay just to get emblems, maybe some camo and guns

gta4--you can replay and do anything you want to in liberty city. the list is to big to post

[QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="gamer082009"][QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentshadowkiller11

your avatar worries me man.

He didnt mention 360, he simply said he must be missing something, because he liked GTA 4...a multiplatform title.

[QUOTE="shadowkiller11"][QUOTE="AgentH"]

[QUOTE="gamer082009"][QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]Yeah i completly agree with that, i stopped hyping games ever since GTA4, what a dissapointmentfranky_babylon

your avatar worries me man.

He didnt mention 360, he simply said he must be missing something, because he liked GTA 4...a multiplatform title.