How can SONY make a rebound? IYO of course!

What can SONY do to turn the current fate of the PS3 around? Personally I think that SONY has tackled this "no games" arguement very well by releasing a multitude of great games for the PS3 both exclusive and multiplats. Now I think all SONY has to do to improve its current situation is try to reduce the price of the PS3. Im not sure how they can cut costs, but something needs to be done urgently. We dont need anymore SKUs that add more HDD space. Anyone can buy a laptop HDD, we need a cheaper model.

After that, SONY really needs to start advertisting their products. Whenever a SONY game is about to be released, we see close to no adverts. How do they expect to get Johnny Casual interested in the PS3 if they dont advertise? Sure online trailers are good enough for us gamers, but for people who dont actively search for PS3 related news, its lost potential customers :(

What do you think?

Price, Price, Price. At has nothing to do with advertising,, people want PS3's, they cant afford them.

QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

What can SONY do to turn the current fate of the PS3 around? Personally I think that SONY has tackled this "no games" arguement very well by releasing a multitude of great games for the PS3 both exclusive and multiplats. Now I think all SONY has to do to improve its current situation is try to reduce the price of the PS3. Im not sure how they can cut costs, but something needs to be done urgently. We dont need anymore SKUs that add more HDD space. Anyone can buy a laptop HDD, we need a cheaper model.

After that, SONY really needs to start advertisting their products. Whenever a SONY game is about to be released, we see close to no adverts. How do they expect to get Johnny Casual interested in the PS3 if they dont advertise? Sure online trailers are good enough for us gamers, but for people who dont actively search for PS3 related news, its lost potential customers :(

What do you think?

Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.orbis_mortis

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.NYCPrincess

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

LOL agreed...but damn your words carry barbs. :)

[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.NYCPrincess

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

i guess it's because you can get an 360 for much cheaper in the uk £129 for pro 360, £299 for 80gb ps3. Yeah the ps3 might have a bluray player and a bigger hard-drive, but not everyone ahs hdtv's or care about bluray. That is why people are complaining you can get a similar product for much cheaper.

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[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.Mckenna1845

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

i guess it's because you can get an 360 for much cheaper in the uk £129 for pro 360, £299 for 80gb ps3. Yeah the ps3 might have a bluray player and a bigger hard-drive, but not everyone ahs hdtv's or care about bluray. That is why people are complaining you can get a similar product for much cheaper.

Then if you see another system that is cheaper & in your budget...buy it. Why come complain about the price of one system when there is another out there cheaper. Either get a job, get a beter job, ask your parents or just move along.

Then if you see another system that is cheaper & in your budget...buy it. Why come complain about the price of one system when there is another out there cheaper. Either get a job, get a beter job, ask your parents or just move along.

NYCPrincess

no i have a ps3, and don't mind the price, but the thread was about how sony can turn their fortunes around, so i'm just saying they shouldn't expect to be leading the way when a similar product is out that is much cheaper.

I think your missing the point. Were talking about how the PS3 sales are abyssmil and it's not selling and could be devestating to sony. They could lower the price, or be greedy and greed there console dept out of business. What they need to do is make a $299 PS3 by taking out the wireless adapter, offer it as a addon. Downsize the HD to 40 gig. Those two changes should allow them to profit about the same with that system as they do with the $399 80 gig version.[

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[QUOTE="NYCPrincess"]

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

Mckenna1845

i guess it's because you can get an 360 for much cheaper in the uk £129 for pro 360, £299 for 80gb ps3. Yeah the ps3 might have a bluray player and a bigger hard-drive, but not everyone ahs hdtv's or care about bluray. That is why people are complaining you can get a similar product for much cheaper.

Then if you see another system that is cheaper & in your budget...buy it. Why come complain about the price of one system when there is another out there cheaper. Either get a job, get a beter job, ask your parents or just move along.

[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.NYCPrincess

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

I bought my 60 gb PS3 on day one too for the exact same price. I am not complaining about the price. The TC asked what Sony could do to compete and I am sorry but that is what they are going to have to do. I believe the PS3 is worth every penny it cost, but it seems most gamers do not, unfortunately.

[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.NYCPrincess

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

Yet again I think your missing the point. Nobody is buying it for its blueray player. The graphics now look much more dated than they did two years ago. We now know that it's not going to have 2x the graphics of 360 that was sony hype. And dont get me wrong I think it's a great system. But at it's current rate of sales it's going to loose mroe 3rd party support and may put Sony out of the console business. They need to understand uping the HD size isnt getting it.

[QUOTE="NYCPrincess"]

[QUOTE="orbis_mortis"]Price cuts, price cuts, and, oh, PRICE CUTS!!!!!!!!!!! Sony needs to lower the price. Then they would be able to compete. They have priced themselves right out of the competition. I love my PS3 and believe it is the best console, but many people do not believe it is worth the price when you can get a X360 for $200.orbis_mortis

You guys might as well be asking sony for a handout. Thne price is low enough already. My fiance bought the 60gb ps3 day 1 & it was near $700 then, so now now that it's a huge chunk lower than it was some of you still complain about the price? Funny! If you work & could afford it then I don't see the issue...if you don't & can't afford it then just stick around the forums & dream about another price drop.

I bought my 60 gb PS3 on day one too for the exact same price. I am not complaining about the price. The TC asked what Sony could do to compete and I am sorry but that is what they are going to have to do. I believe the PS3 is worth every penny it cost, but it seems most gamers do not, unfortunately.

I agree. It is a great system & us launch buyers paid waaaay more for a 60gb than what these recent ps3 owners are paying for a 160gb ps3.

I think your missing the point. Were talking about how the PS3 sales are abyssmil and it's not selling and could be devestating to sony. They could lower the price, or be greedy and greed there console dept out of business. What they need to do is make a $299 PS3 by taking out the wireless adapter, offer it as a addon. Downsize the HD to 40 gig. Those two changes should allow them to profit about the same with that system as they do with the $399 80 gig version.digitalman42

No you are completely wrong. The reason PS3 uses the 80 GB hdd is because that is the smallest sized widely manufactured laptop hard drive, therefore it is the cheapest hard drive available, if Sony wanted to put in a 40GB hard drive, they would have to pay extra to have a manufacturer produce it, essentially the 80GB is cheaper than putting in a 20/40/60 GB, because the mass production of all those sizes has stopped. The wifi adapter is like a 10 dollar item, not a big deal and REALLY bad idea to take it out, its a pretty important selling point. BluRay drive is expensive, as is the Cell. Since those 2 things plus the RSX graphics chip make 85-90% of the cost, removing the other stuff is not going to make that big a deal.

Until Blu-ray drive prices drop, the cost to sony will remain essentially the same. Within a year the drive cost should be reduced substantially as blu-ray goes more mainstream.

They should just cut the price to $300 and F-word the consequences.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="digitalman42"]

I think your missing the point. Were talking about how the PS3 sales are abyssmil and it's not selling and could be devestating to sony. They could lower the price, or be greedy and greed there console dept out of business. What they need to do is make a $299 PS3 by taking out the wireless adapter, offer it as a addon. Downsize the HD to 40 gig. Those two changes should allow them to profit about the same with that system as they do with the $399 80 gig version.navstar29

No you are completely wrong. The reason PS3 uses the 80 GB hdd is because that is the smallest sized widely manufactured laptop hard drive, therefore it is the cheapest hard drive available, if Sony wanted to put in a 40GB hard drive, they would have to pay extra to have a manufacturer produce it, essentially the 80GB is cheaper than putting in a 20/40/60 GB, because the mass production of all those sizes has stopped. The wifi adapter is like a 10 dollar item, not a big deal and REALLY bad idea to take it out, its a pretty important selling point. BluRay drive is expensive, as is the Cell. Since those 2 things plus the RSX graphics chip make 85-90% of the cost, removing the other stuff is not going to make that big a deal.

Until Blu-ray drive prices drop, the cost to sony will remain essentially the same. Within a year the drive cost should be reduced substantially as blu-ray goes more mainstream.

...and there it is. :)

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]They should just cut the price to $300 and F-word the consequences.II_Seraphim_II

I didnt even know sony missed the shot...

:shock:

Sony should have kept one SKU which was the 60GB and never released any other one unless it was to improve hardware performance much like the different chip sets on the 360. Also they should have come out the gate with affordable pricing. Its two years since the PS3's release and after two price cuts the PS3 is only down to the 360's price at launch, thats pathetic.Ket87

aside from the price (i bought the $399 version and while i love my ps3, i still wish it hadn't been quite so expensive) i would like to say this

New exclusives are coming out, yes. do they look good? of course! however they are still losing exclusives due to the 360's install base which was implanted due to the early release and the ease of development. i think a lower price and a better dev kit would help. i've read several places that the ps3 is hard to develop for, well fix it! make developers want to use its power and make it quicker to develop for and dev's would release more games for it. more games released in a timely fashion + the lower price would definitely draw in the consumers.

After price cuts, they need to turn off the the ps2 support. 100 million plus ps2 owners out there need a kick in the but to upgrade.ihd2

i may be alone here, but i think nothing needs to be changed except a tad more advertising. what does 360 have besides gaming? and if you buy their bottom of the line, you don't get component cabling (or a HDD back at release - not sure now) but you get an excellent bluray player with ps3, an upgradeable HDD, 1080P... got my 20gb at release and still have no regretsdexter1225

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

[QUOTE="dexter1225"]i may be alone here, but i think nothing needs to be changed except a tad more advertising. what does 360 have besides gaming? and if you buy their bottom of the line, you don't get component cabling (or a HDD back at release - not sure now) but you get an excellent bluray player with ps3, an upgradeable HDD, 1080P... got my 20gb at release and still have no regretsdigitalman42

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

[QUOTE="dexter1225"]i may be alone here, but i think nothing needs to be changed except a tad more advertising. what does 360 have besides gaming? and if you buy their bottom of the line, you don't get component cabling (or a HDD back at release - not sure now) but you get an excellent bluray player with ps3, an upgradeable HDD, 1080P... got my 20gb at release and still have no regretsdigitalman42

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

Nobody cares about the bluray player? Well...all ps3 games are on bluray for one. Secondly, I appreciate watching movies in HD...as do others, I'm sure. As a personal example, two family members of mine bought their ps3's pretty much exclusively for movie-watching, not gaming. The price for the player alone justified the cost at launch and is still competitive with higher end players that cost more.

They don't need to rebound .. people just have to realize you get what you pay for ..420Token420

very true, I'm extremely content with my 600 dollar near launch purchase of the ps3. I think its worth every penny. But the average consumer or the average parent, doesn't realize this. They just see 'cheaper system, lets buy!'. I'm sure they understand that the PS is a tried and tested and well respected brand, but they just aren't able to get themselves to pay that much money for it. I just want there to be decent sales of PS3, so that Sony has another hardware transition like the one from PS2 to the monstrosity that is the PS3. I just don't want them going in the other (wii-like) direction (which I think is the most overpriced-in terms of the actual hardware-system of all time).

[QUOTE="dexter1225"]i may be alone here, but i think nothing needs to be changed except a tad more advertising. what does 360 have besides gaming? and if you buy their bottom of the line, you don't get component cabling (or a HDD back at release - not sure now) but you get an excellent bluray player with ps3, an upgradeable HDD, 1080P... got my 20gb at release and still have no regretsdigitalman42

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

I disagree, it has a benefit to gaming, rendering in 1080p HD, requires massive file sizes. Lossless Audio, 7.1 Surround Sound (yes I know the average consumer doesn't have this, but the option is none the less there), requires massive File sizes. The use of a blu ray drive actually allows games to have these things, which is why the PS3 supported 1080p out of the box initially.

I also do realize it helped sony and the rest of the blu ray coalition solidify blu ray as the next gen movie medium. Which benefits sony in the long run. But to say that it has no real use in gaming is just wrong.

[QUOTE="digitalman42"]

I think your missing the point. Were talking about how the PS3 sales are abyssmil and it's not selling and could be devestating to sony. They could lower the price, or be greedy and greed there console dept out of business. What they need to do is make a $299 PS3 by taking out the wireless adapter, offer it as a addon. Downsize the HD to 40 gig. Those two changes should allow them to profit about the same with that system as they do with the $399 80 gig version.navstar29

No you are completely wrong. The reason PS3 uses the 80 GB hdd is because that is the smallest sized widely manufactured laptop hard drive, therefore it is the cheapest hard drive available, if Sony wanted to put in a 40GB hard drive, they would have to pay extra to have a manufacturer produce it, essentially the 80GB is cheaper than putting in a 20/40/60 GB, because the mass production of all those sizes has stopped. The wifi adapter is like a 10 dollar item, not a big deal and REALLY bad idea to take it out, its a pretty important selling point. BluRay drive is expensive, as is the Cell. Since those 2 things plus the RSX graphics chip make 85-90% of the cost, removing the other stuff is not going to make that big a deal.

Until Blu-ray drive prices drop, the cost to sony will remain essentially the same. Within a year the drive cost should be reduced substantially as blu-ray goes more mainstream.

Do you have a link for this? Also even if that is the case they should have dropped the $400 price when they went from the 40 to 80 gig hard drive since they saved money, another reason they can move the price down if what your saying is correct. Also Wifi Adapters are not $10, they are $40. The cost on Blueray drives comes down ever month. And it was Sonys fault for pushing Blueray so hard trying to make gamers pay for them wanting to boost there format. They need to eat more of the cost, either they will lower to $299 or they will probably fail hard. Also please show me the link where it costs them more for a 40 gig than a 80 gig.

[QUOTE="digitalman42"]

[QUOTE="dexter1225"]i may be alone here, but i think nothing needs to be changed except a tad more advertising. what does 360 have besides gaming? and if you buy their bottom of the line, you don't get component cabling (or a HDD back at release - not sure now) but you get an excellent bluray player with ps3, an upgradeable HDD, 1080P... got my 20gb at release and still have no regretsLeostatic

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

Nobody cares about the bluray player? Well...all ps3 games are on bluray for one. Secondly, I appreciate watching movies in HD...as do others, I'm sure. As a personal example, two family members of mine bought their ps3's pretty much exclusively for movie-watching, not gaming. The price for the player alone justified the cost at launch and is still competitive with higher end players that cost more.

This is silly. Sony put the blueray player in there to win the format war, at the cost of making the console so expensive it's last place in the console war and all the 3rd party support is dropping. They didnt do it because the games needed blueray trust me. That's why 99% of PS3 games ARE NOT on a blueray disc. Also incorporating a blueray player with a video game system is a bad idea, those lasers will wear out in about 2 years from watching so many movies and playing games on it.

They don't need to rebound .. people just have to realize you get what you pay for ..420Token420

Not true. It's expensive because they make you pay for things alot of people dont need, biggest is the blueray player. That's like going to buy a car but you have to buy it with a $5,000 ininiti sound system in it, and you have to pay for $5,000 rims and a turbo kit installed. Sure some people will want it buy alot wont.

[QUOTE="navstar29"][QUOTE="digitalman42"]

I think your missing the point. Were talking about how the PS3 sales are abyssmil and it's not selling and could be devestating to sony. They could lower the price, or be greedy and greed there console dept out of business. What they need to do is make a $299 PS3 by taking out the wireless adapter, offer it as a addon. Downsize the HD to 40 gig. Those two changes should allow them to profit about the same with that system as they do with the $399 80 gig version.digitalman42

No you are completely wrong. The reason PS3 uses the 80 GB hdd is because that is the smallest sized widely manufactured laptop hard drive, therefore it is the cheapest hard drive available, if Sony wanted to put in a 40GB hard drive, they would have to pay extra to have a manufacturer produce it, essentially the 80GB is cheaper than putting in a 20/40/60 GB, because the mass production of all those sizes has stopped. The wifi adapter is like a 10 dollar item, not a big deal and REALLY bad idea to take it out, its a pretty important selling point. BluRay drive is expensive, as is the Cell. Since those 2 things plus the RSX graphics chip make 85-90% of the cost, removing the other stuff is not going to make that big a deal.

Until Blu-ray drive prices drop, the cost to sony will remain essentially the same. Within a year the drive cost should be reduced substantially as blu-ray goes more mainstream.

Do you have a link for this? Also even if that is the case they should have dropped the $400 price when they went from the 40 to 80 gig hard drive since they saved money, another reason they can move the price down if what your saying is correct. Also Wifi Adapters are not $10, they are $40. The cost on Blueray drives comes down ever month. And it was Sonys fault for pushing Blueray so hard trying to make gamers pay for them wanting to boost there format. They need to eat more of the cost, either they will lower to $299 or they will probably fail hard. Also please show me the link where it costs them more for a 40 gig than a 80 gig.

[QUOTE="Leostatic"][QUOTE="digitalman42"]

Nobody cares about the blueray player. Most people but the video game system to play games. That is dumb for them to make the system so exp for a blueray player that most gamers dont care about. They did this to boost Blueray, not for the benefit of the customer.

digitalman42

Nobody cares about the bluray player? Well...all ps3 games are on bluray for one. Secondly, I appreciate watching movies in HD...as do others, I'm sure. As a personal example, two family members of mine bought their ps3's pretty much exclusively for movie-watching, not gaming. The price for the player alone justified the cost at launch and is still competitive with higher end players that cost more.

This is silly. Sony put the blueray player in there to win the format war, at the cost of making the console so expensive it's last place in the console war and all the 3rd party support is dropping. They didnt do it because the games needed blueray trust me. That's why 99% of PS3 games ARE NOT on a blueray disc. Also incorporating a blueray player with a video game system is a bad idea, those lasers will wear out in about 2 years from watching so many movies and playing games on it.

What?? PS3 games aren't on a bluray disc? Well I'll be damned...maybe the world IS flat after all. :)

1.If i was in charge at sony i would first begin by creating some ninja sim's that are made by sony that way they have an exclusive and it can have the game play of tenchu or ninja gaiden and a story.

2.i would create a third person shooter comparable to gears of war. I would have the shooter run off the unreal engine while graphically showing off the graphical abilites of the ps3. Next I would make backward compatiblity purchasable on psn.

3.Next I could sell classic games exclusive to psn (Ex marvel vs capcom multiplayer edition)

4. Big games like resistance would get lots of marketing. I would also use celebrity's the promote the system.

5. I would create better mech games that actually have better stories and marketed to the mainstream.

6. I would make custom in game music a requirement like the xbox

7. Stop wasting time and money on home and just have ea make a sims game exclusive to ps3

8. Sell additional controllers similar to the xbox for gamers with bigger hands who like fps games

9. Pay square enix to remake ff7 with a timed exclusive the the ps3 but give the ps3 totally exclusive dlc.

10. Make sure all games have trophy support.

11. Hire avg and nastalgia critic and give them a show similar to xplay exclusively for the psn

12. Get puzzle games like puzzle quest for dlc so that casual gamers can play puzzles against each other.

13. Lets get a marvel mmo on ps3

Thats just a few ideas.

I just checked and the xbox is 399 for the version I would get if I ever did get one. So thats what 100 bucks less than sony and the PS3 comes with Bluray. That's worth 100 dollars to me. the 200 dollar xbox is a joke for me since I would play with nothing less than HDMI hookups. I don't want to be using old technology on a next gen system. I think the price on the PS3 is high, but now that I have one and realize all its capabilities, it seems well worth it. You are paying for what you get. 200 dollars will next you and xbox... but you have like no storage space on it, no headset, no ethernet cable, no hdmi, no backwards compatibility , you lose a lot to save a little money. anyway just my 2 cents.bpw8

Arcades do have hdmi. Just not the cable.......johnny41252

[QUOTE="johnny41252"]Arcades do have hdmi. Just not the cable.......bpw8

You can get a HDMI cable for about $6 off monoprice of ebay.