How long before games become PS4 Pro Exclusive?

Yes I know Sony have stated that developers must ensure that games are compatible on all systems. But I'm thinking that after a certain time, developers will work on a game that will simply be too much for current PS4 systems. My guess is that this will start happening after a year

Doubt it will ever happen. Devs want their games to sell so they will be putting them on the higher install base system.

i understand your fears but i would be surprised if that did actually happen.

on paper there's not a huge difference in CPU clock speed (is the pro's the same but just overclocked?) but the pro has roughly a 3x faster GPU.

to me, i imagine the ps4 vs pro scenario to be similar to the the one a pc gamer has to go through when his / her once beastly rig (although comparatively speaking, against PCs anyway, the PS4 has never been beastly) can no longer play the latest games at the best framerates or resolutions, with a gpu that's two generations or so out of date but a CPU that's not so bad, and they either have to settle for medium to occasionally low settings knowing they are playing a technically inferior version of a game or bite the bullet and upgrade.

i've had my ps4 for a few months shy off 2 years and i'm really unhappy with the situation, despite being disappointed with the performance of the ps4 from the minute i bought it in comparison with my gaming rig and even my modest gaming laptop. i don't know if naughty dog and a handful of exclusives are incentive enough to stop me abandoning the playstation and going back exclusively to pc gaming

Sony has stated that PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 4 Pro will get the same games. However if after a year into the PS4 Pro lifespan things turn out to be a battle between PlayStation 4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio. Should VR on both MS and Sony systems Bomb. Then developers will turn to that extra tech power in the PlayStation 4 Pro to create "exclusive" games. The original PlayStation 4 will be left behind. Sony has stated that this would not happen. But we shall see.

They wont. alienating a userbase of 40 million + PS4s would be one of the dumbest things Sony could do. Xbox Scorpio on the other hand..

Sony is not going to piss 40 million orig PoS4 owners, only Nintendo does that.

Depends on how long the PS4 Pro reaches 50% of the install base of the PS4/Slim.

Not gonna happen.EVER.

~3 years.

I disagree with the others. Eventually the Pro will be in the position of the PS4, and another system will be in the current position of the Pro. At some point devs won't be bothered with trying to optimize games for such very dated specs in the base PS4.

I don't think a lot of games will do this, and I don't think it will be tomorrow, but you have to think like a PC gamer on this: you inevitably hit a point where your old GTX770 simply can't provide a basic level of performance on the newest games, and a GTX970 has more-or-less become the necessary entry point to run the newest stuff. It isn't that the 770 is no longer "compatible" per se, it's not that the devs stopped supporting that type of hardware (because it is technically fully compatible) - but to make "TW4" or whatever run on one in 1080p 30fps would be a ridiculous endeavor involving ultra-low assets.

This is how it will go down with the Pro, IMO. It won't be a formal discontinuation of support for the base PS4, so much as as "yeah, we're not going to develop this new title for that 'in order to deliver the most complete vision of our game to today's consumers'"

How long before games become PS4 Pro Exclusive?

It will never happen. Its a lot of wishful thinking here. ADHD gamers. PlayStation says PS4 Pro is a part of the PS4 family of systems. There will be no exclusives for PS4 Pro on up-scaled presentation. Keep wishing on a star people or learn patience. These ADHD gamers....smh

i don't think the specs of the pro can warrant that. will the cpu not be a bottleneck? a release cycle of every 2.5-3 years is not far off a top gaming rig.

i'm struggling to understand the long term goals of ms and sony. i think the general consensus was disappointment at the power of both xbox one and ps4 in comparison to the 360 and ps3 on launch. i remember playing gears 1 on the 360 for the first time and thinking it was comparable to what my gaming rig could do at the time (back in late 06 i'd just upgraded to a gtx8800 ultra, 4gb ram and a modest quad core). the 360 was powerful enough to have longevity.

so, with the advent of vr and 4k, i can kind of understand the urge to improve the current ps4 specs to support these if sony think there's a huge commercial opportunity with both (which is massively debatable) but the ps4 pro is still miles away spec wise from a top gaming rig so if that's the best they can produce at that price point then i'm struggling to see the attraction for gamers like me to upgrade, particularly if another playstation will come along in the next few years that'll eclipse the pro

@Macutchi: I agree with everything you said, but I don't see why the GPU / Cell phone / etc upgrade concepts apply here. My view is the following:

When PS4 released, it was kind of a mid-range PC level. Ish.

Now, after 3 years, it's definitely in the entry-level territory in performance.

Now we take the PS4 Pro, which has a dramatically better GPU - but still only one that is mid-range level. Ish (~RX470 - GTX970 or so)

What will happen to the entry-level PS4 in another 3 years? It's not getting any stronger. It's aged from mid-entry in 3 years, and in another 3 it's going to be pretty damn weak for current game tech.

So I'm visualizing something like the following

at time of PS4 release:

Yuck-------Low-end ------ Mid-range ------- High-end PC performance

--------PS3--------------------PS4-----------------------------------------

at time of PS4 PRo release (+3 years)

Yuck-------Low-end ------ Mid-range ------- High-end PC performance

PS3----------PS4--------------PS4 Pro-------------------------------------

at time of PS4 UberPro release (+6 years)

Yuck-------Low-end ------ Mid-range ------- High-end PC performance

PS4---------PS4 Pro--------PS4 UberPro-----------------------------------

Time is the killer of all things - it's not that they will formally discontinue compatibility with PS4 architecture, but rather that its level of performance is simply going to bump it off the map ~6 years into its life (which is perfectly normal for a console life cycle anyway)

I don't think I'm being crazy, no?

hi Its all ready decided! Sony is sure they wanted Pro games released!

@xantufrog:no that sounds perfectly plausible. it does concern me re: userbase fragmentation. if such relatively modest spec improvements continue with each iteration people may be inclined to skip a gen. there may be a perception that you'll need to pick up a new version on launch, at full price, to get the full three years out of it before the next version comes along and if you wait a year or so for price drops then the top end life expectancy has decreased so the value for money they represent becomes (more) questionable. then there's people who can't afford to upgrade every 3-6 years. and with all this the likelihood of brand loyalty decreases whilst the potential for people jumping ship to whatever microsoft's latest offering is increases. all speculation though at the end of the day lol

@Macutchi: yeah I'm with you - I don't really know where this is going and it's disconcerting. I also think Sony's done a poor job marketing it already - there's a lot to like about the Pro, but a few questionable choices and a reveal that relied on us being there to actually see the difference...

Unless PS4 Pro outsells PS4...never.

The reality is, this isn't a new game and no game is going to be developed as 4k native plus HDR is soon to be a part of the normal PS4 too, if I'm hearing correctly. I hope the Pro bombs, for the future betterment of gaming.

@xantufrog: agreed. from what i've seen it's been marketed as not much more than a console that supports 4k (but not 4k blu-ray like the xbox one s does and (nearly all) games won't actually run natively at 4k, they'll upscale). feels like i'm missing something important i.e. a reason why i should care / upgrade lol.

plus why release a console that'll lose the hardware advantages the ps4 has (which has undoubtedly contributed to its success) over the xbox one by some margin when the scorpio arrives?

Actually, I can possibly see games coming out on the Pro and not the standard PS4 if there does end up being another generation of consoles, which there probably will. I think it might even make the transition into the next gen easier by making cross-generation games work only on the PS4 Pro and the PS5.

But even then that's a lot of potential sales lost since most people will still have a PS4/PS4 Slim than a PS4 Pro.

Based on recent decisions made by Sony, I'm assuming it'll be 3 days after its released.

What most people don't realize is that there may not diff. games for the two systems, but there will def. be diff. copies of the same games moving forward. Ppl with vanilla PS4s may never get to experience that awesome HDR feature that has been implemented into our systems today along with fake 4K, ONLY on PRO!

Personally it's a question of who's got the money to upgrade if in the future more PS4 Pros over take the already 40 million user base then by the time that happens everyone will be able to get one pre-owned at half the price, also it's got to reach out to how many people own a 4K TV we've still got years before all homes have one, but I'm sure if there selling the new PS4 Slim then there continuing with the original machine for a long time yet, peace, Olly Staley posted 13/09/16.

It will definitely happen at some point but most likely not until the "new" box comes out + 2 or 3 years.

Ff14 I bought on ps3 and when heavensward came out they made the announcement that 4.0 will be the last update they would be able to do (up to 4.0) due to hardware limitations and them not being able to provide the best experience for either playerbase, the ps3 simply being too weak, and ps4 players being help back by the limitations to balance out fairness.

Plus from a consumer standpoint why should I upgrade if it won't matter? They already said multiplayer is locked at 30fps so non pro owners can't have an advantage, this immediately makes it pointless to upgrade unless you ONLY play single player games, meaning games are already being held back by the non pro version, and you can bet your ass if Microsoft says "all our new shit runs 60fps all time" Sony will change that tune.

Probably a few years after we get a PS5.

PS4 + PS4 Pro

to

PS4 Pro + PS5

Read through this whole thing can't believe no one has thought to say maybe the games themselves will let you turn up the graphics settings...?

@sukraj: 1yr old thread.

Not a big enough difference between Pro and Original, so it's not going to happen. Not to mention the Pro does not sell as well. Sony would have to be pretty stupid to cut-off the regular models all together.

What some forget is the Pro is no means a Playstation 5, it's a mild upgrade for those that want to improve the VR experience and have 4K televisions. Both of which are the minority.

Otherwise it doesn't make a big enough difference. And even that slight improvement of power will go unused for the most part, to not alienate the regular PS4 owners.

please don't bump old threads