I actually like Anonymous?

How is Sony exploiting us?

If somebody hacks the software you own and maintain then you have every right to sue them.MushroomWig

How is Sony exploiting us?

andalore

They're a bunch of creeps, if you've ever watched any of their videos the only reason those people didn't shoot up their schools was for lack of bullets, truely weirdo's.

[QUOTE="andalore"]

How is Sony exploiting us?

RoboDuckii

Why don't you have the money to do what you want in life? Who's to blame for that?

[QUOTE="RoboDuckii"] [QUOTE="andalore"]

How is Sony exploiting us?

MonkeySpot

Why don't you have the money to do what you want in life? Who's to blame for that?

I think they need to quit sticking their noses in other people's business. They think they're attacking the "system" or the "man" when all they're really doing is making regular people's lives miserable. The people they're trying to stick it to dont care because anything bad that occurs because of Anonymous crashing their systems they can simply blame on the hackers.

I think they need to quit sticking their noses in other people's business. They think they're attacking the "system" or the "man" when all they're really doing is making regular people's lives miserable. The people they're trying to stick it to dont care because anything bad that occurs because of Anonymous crashing their systems they can simply blame on the hackers.

demonic_85

They've already caused the vast majority to go criminally insane due to the PSN Outage.....

Not once have I ever put Anonymous name into googled or into Youtube....

But now with all this happening of course I have. For this reasonI dislike Anoynymous for the simple reason that they're drawing innocent gamers into their information warfare. All this crap is just advertising for them and they're just hoping all this publicity will be a boost to their infrastructure

In a way they're even targetting kids and children, as they know there are plenty of innocent minds on the PSN with which they can subject their propaganda to. A video game console is not the place for this type of crap. A vidoe game console is for family and friends both young and old to play video games in peace! it's not a place to advertise glorified anarchist movements.

In terms of Sony Vs Anonymous

Sony are not the ones parading around broadcasting how "good and mighty they are".. and they're not acting like they are the "saviours of mankind" and they don't pretend to speak for the general populace either. Anonymous however does all of this. So I back SOny in this war, even though I don't really like Sony or any major cooperation for that matter. But I just dislike Anonymous more.

I love how no one bothers to bring up the iPhone controversy. Apple tried to legally prevent the distribution of knowledge on how to hack the iPhone and iPod Touch, but a federal judge dictated that users could do whatever they wanted with the devices once they owned them.

That's they key word: Own.

Do you own your PlayStation 3? You bought it with your hard-earned money, but no, you don't. Sony can still dictate what you can and can't do with what you think is your own property. Therein lies the issue. There's legal precedent with the Apple case for Sony to have lost the lawsuit, but of course, George Hotz didn't have the money to continue fighting them in court and had to settle. Had he the means to keep his legal defense funded, this may very well have been a non-issue.

Not once have I ever put Anonymous name into googled or into Youtube....

But now with all this happening of course I have. For this reasonI dislike Anoynymous for the simple reason that they're drawing innocent gamers into their information warfare. All this crap is just advertising for them and they're just hoping all this publicity will be a boost to their infrastructure

In a way they're even targetting kids and children, as they know there are plenty of innocent minds on the PSN with which they can subject their propaganda to. A video game console is not the place for this type of crap. A vidoe game console is for family and friends both young and old to play video games in peace! it's not a place to advertise glorified anarchist movements.

In terms of Sony Vs Anonymous

Sony are not the ones parading around broadcasting how "good and mighty they are".. and they're not acting like they are the "saviours of mankind" and they don't pretend to speak for the general populace either. Anonymous however does all of this. So I back SOny in this war, even though I don't really like Sony or any major cooperation for that matter. But I just dislike Anonymous more.

ShimmerMan

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING! THEY TREAT US SO GOOD, HOW DARE YOU DEFILE THEIR GOOD NAME!

How is Sony exploiting us?

andalore

you don't like the rules then don't buy it go buy a freakin PC and hack that but leave PSN alone. People who want to hack the Ps3 just mostly want to do it to play copied games.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]If somebody hacks the software you own and maintain then you have every right to sue them.RoboDuckii

How is Sony exploiting us?

andalore

you don't like the rules then don't buy it go buy a freakin PC and hack that but leave PSN alone. People who want to hack the Ps3 just mostly want to do it to play copied games.

cinemax237

While this may in fact be true, hacking a console to enable open development can indeed be a good thing. Just look at the Wii. Hackers added DVD playback, multimedia suites, and a lot of other features that aren't available by default.

Not once have I ever put Anonymous name into googled or into Youtube....

But now with all this happening of course I have. For this reasonI dislike Anoynymous for the simple reason that they're drawing innocent gamers into their information warfare. All this crap is just advertising for them and they're just hoping all this publicity will be a boost to their infrastructure

In a way they're even targetting kids and children, as they know there are plenty of innocent minds on the PSN with which they can subject their propaganda to. A video game console is not the place for this type of crap. A vidoe game console is for family and friends both young and old to play video games in peace! it's not a place to advertise glorified anarchist movements.

In terms of Sony Vs Anonymous

Sony are not the ones parading around broadcasting how "good and mighty they are".. and they're not acting like they are the "saviours of mankind" and they don't pretend to speak for the general populace either. Anonymous however does all of this. So I back SOny in this war, even though I don't really like Sony or any major cooperation for that matter. But I just dislike Anonymous more.

ShimmerMan

i dont feel a bit sorry for any hacker in the real world , and i dont feel sorry for sony as they should have secured their stuff to begin with make users pay if thats what it takes to keep peoples credit card info safe ,

I love how no one bothers to bring up the iPhone controversy. Apple tried to legally prevent the distribution of knowledge on how to hack the iPhone and iPod Touch, but a federal judge dictated that users could do whatever they wanted with the devices once they owned them.

That's they key word: Own.

Do you own your PlayStation 3? You bought it with your hard-earned money, but no, you don't. Sony can still dictate what you can and can't do with what you think is your own property. Therein lies the issue. There's legal precedent with the Apple case for Sony to have lost the lawsuit, but of course, George Hotz didn't have the money to continue fighting them in court and had to settle. Had he the means to keep his legal defense funded, this may very well have been a non-issue.

SM-X

[QUOTE="cinemax237"]

you don't like the rules then don't buy it go buy a freakin PC and hack that but leave PSN alone. People who want to hack the Ps3 just mostly want to do it to play copied games.

SM-X

While this may in fact be true, hacking a console to enable open development can indeed be a good thing. Just look at the Wii. Hackers added DVD playback, multimedia suites, and a lot of other features that aren't available by default.

[QUOTE="SM-X"]

[QUOTE="cinemax237"]

you don't like the rules then don't buy it go buy a freakin PC and hack that but leave PSN alone. People who want to hack the Ps3 just mostly want to do it to play copied games.

MrSelf-Destruct

While this may in fact be true, hacking a console to enable open development can indeed be a good thing. Just look at the Wii. Hackers added DVD playback, multimedia suites, and a lot of other features that aren't available by default.

I like your logic.... mainly because your sig appears to be a cat made of poptarts.

[QUOTE="andalore"]

How is Sony exploiting us?

ColonelVodka

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="SM-X"]

While this may in fact be true, hacking a console to enable open development can indeed be a good thing. Just look at the Wii. Hackers added DVD playback, multimedia suites, and a lot of other features that aren't available by default.

00Killaz00

I like your logic.... mainly because your sig appears to be a cat made of poptarts.

[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] It also enabled piracy. What's more important, being able to watch a DVD on something you bought full well knowing that it wouldn't do such a thing or the hard working people who develop the software for said console being able to continue making a decent living and supporting their families? MrSelf-Destruct

I like your logic.... mainly because your sig appears to be a cat made of poptarts.

OMGZORZ!!!!!!! THATS THE BEST THING EVER! 10 Minutes and counting :D

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

I like your logic.... mainly because your sig appears to be a cat made of poptarts.

00Killaz00

OMGZORZ!!!!!!! THATS THE BEST THING EVER! 10 Minutes and counting :D

Well it seems I have a new home page :D

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="andalore"]

How is Sony exploiting us?

MrSelf-Destruct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

http://psgroove.com/content.php?837-Sony-Obtains-IP-Addresses-of-Geohot-Site-Vistors

[QUOTE="SM-X"]

I love how no one bothers to bring up the iPhone controversy. Apple tried to legally prevent the distribution of knowledge on how to hack the iPhone and iPod Touch, but a federal judge dictated that users could do whatever they wanted with the devices once they owned them.

That's they key word: Own.

Do you own your PlayStation 3? You bought it with your hard-earned money, but no, you don't. Sony can still dictate what you can and can't do with what you think is your own property. Therein lies the issue. There's legal precedent with the Apple case for Sony to have lost the lawsuit, but of course, George Hotz didn't have the money to continue fighting them in court and had to settle. Had he the means to keep his legal defense funded, this may very well have been a non-issue.

MrSelf-Destruct

It was unquestionably a bad judgment for the business interests involved in the case. However, piracy and bootlegging are, and always have been, rampant problems plaguing today's market. It's not going away any time soon. Any major electronic platform is susceptible to it. Every practical business endeavor involves risk and reward, and software development is no different. If you develop a shareware product, there is always a probability that you will lose money developing it. That's just the way things work.

The decision was good for the people because it guaranteed the ownership rights of anyone who purchased the product to do whatever they wanted with it, as they would any physical object.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="ColonelVodka"] Well, their incredible invasive DRM and no respect for privacy comes to mind. Not to mention taking out features from a console and then being forced to either stop using PSN or lose the feature permanently. They also often lie in court and make false accusations.

ColonelVodka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

http://psgroove.com/content.php?837-Sony-Obtains-IP-Addresses-of-Geohot-Site-Vistors

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="SM-X"]

I love how no one bothers to bring up the iPhone controversy. Apple tried to legally prevent the distribution of knowledge on how to hack the iPhone and iPod Touch, but a federal judge dictated that users could do whatever they wanted with the devices once they owned them.

That's they key word: Own.

Do you own your PlayStation 3? You bought it with your hard-earned money, but no, you don't. Sony can still dictate what you can and can't do with what you think is your own property. Therein lies the issue. There's legal precedent with the Apple case for Sony to have lost the lawsuit, but of course, George Hotz didn't have the money to continue fighting them in court and had to settle. Had he the means to keep his legal defense funded, this may very well have been a non-issue.

SM-X

It was unquestionably a bad judgment for the business interests involved in the case. However, piracy and bootlegging are, and always have been, rampant problems plaguing today's market. It's not going away any time soon. Any major electronic platform is susceptible to it. Every practical business endeavor involves risk and reward, and software development is no different. If you develop a shareware product, there is always a probability that you will lose money developing it. That's just the way things work.

The decision was good for the people because it guaranteed the ownership rights of anyone who purchased the product to do whatever they wanted with it, as they would any physical object.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Invasive DRM? No respect for privacy? Please, explain. MrSelf-Destruct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

http://psgroove.com/content.php?837-Sony-Obtains-IP-Addresses-of-Geohot-Site-Vistors

**** off

That's they key word: Own.

Do you own your PlayStation 3? You bought it with your hard-earned money, but no, you don't. Sony can still dictate what you can and can't do with what you think is your own property. Therein lies the issue.

SM-X

[QUOTE="RoboDuckii"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"]If somebody hacks the software you own and maintain then you have every right to sue them.MrSelf-Destruct

How is Sony exploiting us?

andalore

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="RoboDuckii"] By realising they have the money to do what they want and we don't?RoboDuckii

No one derps with my friend! ... Psst.... Mr.SelfDestruct... I got your back ;)

Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.H_M_1

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.360hammer

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

This generation is so self-righteous it's not even funny...

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.360hammer

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.360hammer

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.00Killaz00

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

This generation is so self-righteous it's not even funny...

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

http://psgroove.com/content.php?837-Sony-Obtains-IP-Addresses-of-Geohot-Site-Vistors

ColonelVodka

[QUOTE="00Killaz00"]

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

RoboDuckii

This generation is so self-righteous it's not even funny...

Thats why you go in the very middle... Say the 80s? (It seemed pretty chillaxed from what I've seen on TV xD) and then stop time!

Not once have I ever put Anonymous name into googled or into Youtube....

But now with all this happening of course I have. For this reasonI dislike Anoynymous for the simple reason that they're drawing innocent gamers into their information warfare. All this crap is just advertising for them and they're just hoping all this publicity will be a boost to their infrastructure

In a way they're even targetting kids and children, as they know there are plenty of innocent minds on the PSN with which they can subject their propaganda to. A video game console is not the place for this type of crap. A vidoe game console is for family and friends both young and old to play video games in peace! it's not a place to advertise glorified anarchist movements.

In terms of Sony Vs Anonymous

Sony are not the ones parading around broadcasting how "good and mighty they are".. and they're not acting like they are the "saviours of mankind" and they don't pretend to speak for the general populace either. Anonymous however does all of this. So I back SOny in this war, even though I don't really like Sony or any major cooperation for that matter. But I just dislike Anonymous more.

ShimmerMan

Oh my, You hate Anonymous and they are guilty of what exactly ? No one truely knows whats going on just some guessing and assumptions and you hate. Last time I checked my PS3 works just fine and at no point when turning my system on do I see the name Anonymous or anything related to an outage of the PSN service due to Anonymous. I seriously have no idea what the hell reality your in seeing propaganda being thrown through the PS3 at kids. Again all of this is pure speculation on forums throughout the internet.

[QUOTE="ColonelVodka"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Lol. SecureRom is NOT invasive, and Sony's lawyers got warrants for those IPs. It was completely legal. Sony never got their hands on them, and they were only used in the context of a court case where Sony was battling for THEIR privacy. Calling that an invasion of privacy is hypocrisy. Try again. MrSelf-Destruct

If that's not invasive, then I don't know what the word invasive means. I'm pretty sure if SecuRom wasn't invasive, there would be no lawsuits or people with broken computers complaining about how SecuRom caused it.