I have finally figured out PS3's problem, please read.

As much as it might break your "PS3-fanboy-to-death" hearts, PS3 is still trailing both the XBOX 360 and the Wii by millions, I bet I know why.

PS3 is being aimed for people around the age of 16-25, it is lacking fun games like Jak and Daxter, Kingdom Hearts, and Sly Cooper, which are aimed for both the younger generation andolder/more mature people(I am 17 by the way). It seems like all ofPS3's really good games are rated M (Killzone, GTA, Resistance, God of War, Call ofDuty, Dead Space, Resident Evil). I know that they are not all PS3 exclusives but still, the360 and Wii offer manygames for younger people.The PS3dosnt alot of goodgames like that (LBP,Ratchet and Clank, etc.). They should go back to their roots for a change and dig up some old games and make more gameslike them.What do you think?

BY THE WAY, I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE OVERPROTECTIVE PARENTS OR A HEARTBROKEN KID WHO CANT GET A RATED M GAME, IVE PLAYED M GAMES FOREVER AND I PLAN TO LET MY KIDS PLAY THEM TOO :)

its because the xbox360 came out before the ps3

Yep it is mainly the price, I asked all my friends if they/their parents (must remember many parents are in debt and the economic downturn isn't helping) could afford the PS3 would they buy it? Most of them said yes.

Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.Floppy_Jim

yea i agree that its because of the release date, microsoft probly started working on the 360 right after the release of the xbox, they rushed it, look where thats got them, RED RING OF DEATH ahahahaha

im just waiting for some stuck up dude to come on here and say, "this belongs on console wars"

lol...I'm sure Sony will take your expert advice into consideration.

look sorry u say ur 17 and ur cryin about the fact u want sum kiddys games how sad r u there is note wrong with the games ps3 has got they are fun who wonts to play little baby gamescum on think bout it god!soz that the truth

I just want a new Jak and Daxter. You could say I bought PS3 just for that.

I think the Sony does need to try to attract some of the younger players to ps3. The problem is that there is the Wii, which I don't even know how much is costs since I think the system is a worthless piece of ****, but I know it's cheaper than the ps3. Since younger gamers don't pay for their games (except for me when I was younger), their parents aren't going to spend $500 on their obnoxious, chubby son. Because of this, ps3's don't get purchased to that generation, which is why they most likely target their advertising and games towards older players, the people who are actually going to buy their product, not beg mommy and daddy for it

I'm quite happy with the concept that the PS3 tends to be a console for adults. In fact, after my 360 got the RROD last year I thought I'd be suffering greatly, until I decided to get a PS3. Honestly, with the changes like the cutesy avatars and after trying Gears 2 and Fable 2 at a pal's place, I feel like I have not been given a single good reason to buy a new 360. In that case, your "problem" with the PS3 as described is exactly why I prefer it and won't bother with the 360 anymore.

umm how bout NO.... u want to go play kid games then go ahead. its all about "M" boi

its because the xbox360 came out before the ps3

MURDA_B

dude, ur so correct, and if you check time ratio to consols sold, sony is beating 360. ps3's only faults are the media player cant be used while playing games (yet...) and its friends list is a tad worse than the 360's to get use to and join friends in games. in all other areas it excellsd though, regardless of what people say about xbox live because they pay. if people new anything about networking or how the servers work for games on consols, they might understand that there mostly even excluding the fact that sony can hold more people on a single server and not give lag to the users (aka resistance 2 and MAG).

look sorry u say ur 17 and ur cryin about the fact u want sum kiddys games how sad r u there is note wrong with the games ps3 has got they are fun who wonts to play little baby gamescum on think bout it god!soz that the truth

patlehair

not for me, for sony and its younger population, there are too many fps, thats all im sayin (i luv em too deathbut they get old after the 100th fps, get a life and dont be such a negetive nancy :)

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.thekey

umm how bout NO.... u want to go play kid games then go ahead. its all about "M" boi

YekDastan316

i agree that M games kick A$$ but all they games are too much alike, too many fps, they need more platformers, action adventure, rpgs thats all im sayin bro

im just waiting for some stuck up dude to come on here and say, "this belongs on console wars"

dylan417

being stuck up has nothing to do with it. if i want to hear people argue about which console is best, i will go to SYSTEM WARS. i don't need to hear about it in the ps3 forums. it's a simple matter of having this conversation in the APPROPRIATE forum. otherwise, it can be considered trolling... i don't go into the xbox forums and express what's wrong with them... have some courtesy...

ps: NOT a fanboy for any system... they all have their place, and everyone is WELL AWARE of each system's strengths and weaknesses by now. thanks.

Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.Floppy_Jim

Price and lack of support for the first year definitely hurt the PS3, it also came late to the party. Wii is casual friendly and very cheap, while 360 had a good headstart. Still, PS3 looks to be catching up this year, and 2008 definitely belonged to the PS3, the heavy support from Sony and the untapped potential helps it not fail in saleslike previous 3rd place consoles such as the Gamecube and Dreamcast. Yeah, it probably won't overtake 360by the millions insales, but it can definitely catch up and sell more overall if Sony really does give it a 10 year life span. It can go either way now (not including Wii, which is destined to win).

Why do you want to play kiddy games

What do you call Ratchet & Clank, all 3 lego games, Sega Super Stars Tennis etc. PS3 has games for all ages. It's becaus ethe 360 came out 1 year ahead and the PS3 has been priced higher than the Wii and 360. I know 2 people that bought Wiis just because they were cheaper and now they wish they bought PS3s instead but are too cheap to go buy a PS3 now. The recession and price are why the Wii is winning and with the 360 it's price and it came out a year ahead.

Sorry to say this on the PS3 forum but currntly the 360 is the better console AT THE MOMENT. I will say though that this cannot last as the only real way that its better is due to its online functionality. This is due (OBVIOUSLY) to microsofts experiance . The PS3 is a better machine and this is demonstrated best by killzone 2. I have both systems and as far as exclusives go i've got halo 3, gears 2, fable 2and whatever else happens to be a 360 exclusive and i wasn't overly impressed by their quality. Don't get me wrong, great games on a good console but killzone blew me away in tems of graphics, map size, player numbers online(with very minimal lag, something which xbox needs to address) and the overall quality(gameplay is another issue, i personally love it but have seen a lot of hate thrown in its direction by people who can't adjust to a diffrent approach). With this game as an example it is obvious that the PS3 can "destroy" the XBOX in the "console wars" and exclusives are the way to gobecause the xbox holds back the games. imagine if GTA4 had been exclusive like it should have been (in my opinion). all that extra blu ray space could have allowed rockstar to put so much more into what turned out to be a game that quickly ran out of things to do in comparioson to its predecessors. if sony can get their exclusive games back like they had on the PS2 theywill be able to develop bigger games with more stuff in them which can only win gamers over (barring cases of extreme fanboyism) and will ultimately lead the PS3 to be the "winner" for want of a better term (provided they keep working on the online niggles, especially a fix for all those guys 'n' gals who can't connect to their wireless router) Enough said. Sony has the tools, I hope they make use of them all.

PSN/LIVE:-Twistedgenn

cool i still belive it is the high price point. If i hadn't had the money to buy a PS3 I would have eventually bought a 360 and a Wii but I bought a ps3. for the first few months i regretted it cause i could play some of my all time favorites like Halo and gears of war but it worked out.

[QUOTE="thekey"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.Sepewrath

Who cares about software thats only the outside. PS3 has the best hardware by far of all 3 system. They also have the best technology such as blu-ray and Bluetooth. They have games for everyone such as Littlbigplanet but if you really want kiddy games then go play wii.

PS3 will end up winning. They were thinking in the future ,not in the past.

If PS3 came out a year ahead with no competition it would be destroying the 360. If they came out at the same time the PS3 would be ahead by about 6 million. MS did what it did to take away PS gamers and to gain ground. Sony now needs to do all necessary to prove to those people who bought 360s that were PS2 players that they made a mistake. I believe this year Sony will do just that. MS is falling behind big time now with exclusives.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="thekey"] It's the only reason. The 360 and the Wii are going to get destroyed eventually. The PS3 has the longest life span out of the 3 consoles.Ultramarine777

Who cares about software thats only the outside. PS3 has the best hardware by far of all 3 system. They also have the best technology such as blu-ray and Bluetooth. They have games for everyone such as Littlbigplanet but if you really want kiddy games then go play wii.

PS3 will end up winning. They were thinking in the future ,not in the past.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.Samox

The PS2 didn't really have any heavy hitting system sellers for around a whole year either. Until the launches of GT3, GTA3, MGS2, Jak & Daxter, Twisted Metal etc in late 2001. Yet it still won. If the PS3 also launched for $300 like the PS2, Sony would have won once again. I'm guessing it would be close between the PS3 and Wii but the 360 would be done.

[QUOTE="dylan417"]

im just waiting for some stuck up dude to come on here and say, "this belongs on console wars"

dkcamp

being stuck up has nothing to do with it. if i want to hear people argue about which console is best, i will go to SYSTEM WARS. i don't need to hear about it in the ps3 forums. it's a simple matter of having this conversation in the APPROPRIATE forum. otherwise, it can be considered trolling... i don't go into the xbox forums and express what's wrong with them... have some courtesy...

ps: NOT a fanboy for any system... they all have their place, and everyone is WELL AWARE of each system's strengths and weaknesses by now. thanks.

ur exactly what i mean by stuck up lol :D

Why do you want to play kiddy games

joegar

i dont, but other ppl would, i have asubzero icon do u honestly think i still play them, i used to but i switched like everybody else lol

Who cares about software thats only the outside. PS3 has the best hardware by far of all 3 system. They also have the best technology such as blu-ray and Bluetooth. They have games for everyone such as Littlbigplanet but if you really want kiddy games then go play wii.

PS3 will end up winning. They were thinking in the future ,not in the past.

Ultramarine777

Cause we all know it doesn't matter what games a system has, it's all about the specs! lol.

Ive had a 360 and ps3, but i only have a ps3 now. both good systems but the ps3 has no games. when ps2 came out it started with awesome games from beginning to end. PS is known for all genre of games, but mainly rpg's, action, and fighting games. where are they now? cause i dont know

The main problem was and is Sony's lack of effort. Sony sort of went, "if we make a superior product, people will come." But that's not how it works. You have to do more than put a great machine on the market, you have to actually convince people that (1) they need to buy your product and (2) that they can afford to buy your product.

Sony didn't do a whole lot to push the PS3. Sony knew people didn't like the price, but acted like they didn't care. Then, they made a price cut but not a big enough one. Sony didn't really try to point out to people that what you actually got in the PS3 box was in reality a better value than what you actually got in the box from the other two companies. So Sony failed to convince people that they could afford PS3s.

And for a company was relying so heavily on people to transfer their loyalty to the PS2 over to the PS3, it is incomprehensible to me why Sony chose to remove the PS3's ties to the PS2 (backward capability). The loss of BC meant that a lot of people who might have stuck with PS brand due to owning PS games already, didn't have a reason to stick with Sony and felt free to move to the other companies.

Sony also failed to convince people that they needed a PS3. Sony tried pushing Blu-Ray, but apparently most people didn't see that as a necessity. (Maybe now that there are more HDTvs out there this will change.) Sony also went on and on about Home. But so far I don't see a lot of people caring about it. (This too may change as Home is finally up and running). Sony also let its exclusives slip through its hands. Basically, Sony dropped the PR ball.

The situation right now is

Nintendo's hook = motion controls/kid friendly/cheap.

Microsoft's hook = live/exclusive mature games which appeal to the "cool" crowd at school/cheaper than PS3

Sony's hook = home/blu-ray/high-end product.

If Sony wants to be #1 it seems clear that Sonyneeds a much more aggressive campaign to convince people that they need home and blu-ray or it needs to focus on a different hook. I doubt that more kiddy games is the new hook that is needed in this situation. The new hook would have to be something that appealed more to high end product users since Sony doesn't seem to want to drop its price too much. I don't think kiddy games fits that bill.

imho, its the price mate. if the 360 and ps3 were on equal footing, price wise, we'd see a difference. also parents who buy their kids these consoles always go for the cheaper ones, if they had a choice :P imho, both consoles have tons of sucky games, both for the younger and older generation.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Partly, but it's mainly because of price. If it launched at $300 or less, there wouldn't even be a console war. More of a slaughter which we saw in the previous 2 gens. Ah, well.thekey

...until the next generation, which is supposed to hit around 2011 or 2012.

360 didn't have any really good games either until about a year later. I mean, some games like Condemned: Criminal Origins are fine, but the headstart dfinitely allowed them to do that, the only unfortunate thing about it is the lack of any real groundbreaking games from them lately. Wii seems to have already exhausted their amazing releases (nothing good has come out in the last half year or so, and its not just me others have said the same). PS3 will have to keep continually working on all they have if they don't want to hit the same rut. Also, RROD's have turned many a gamer to conversion, which really proves the 360 probably should have held out a bit as well.

^ Wii came out 2 days after PS3, and most little kids are probably into Halo more than GeoW.

As much as it might break your "PS3-fanboy-to-death" hearts, PS3 is still trailing both the XBOX 360 and the Wii by millions, I bet I know why.

PS3 is being aimed for people around the age of 16-25, it is lacking fun games like Jak and Daxter, Kingdom Hearts, and Sly Cooper, which are aimed for both the younger generation andolder/more mature people(I am 17 by the way). It seems like all ofPS3's really good games are rated M (Killzone, GTA, Resistance, God of War, Call ofDuty, Dead Space, Resident Evil). I know that they are not all PS3 exclusives but still, the360 and Wii offer manygames for younger people.The PS3dosnt alot of goodgames like that (LBP,Ratchet and Clank, etc.). They should go back to their roots for a change and dig up some old games and make more gameslike them.What do you think?

BY THE WAY, I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE OVERPROTECTIVE PARENTS OR A HEARTBROKEN KID WHO CANT GET A RATED M GAME, IVE PLAYED M GAMES FOREVER AND I PLAN TO LET MY KIDS PLAY THEM TOO :)

Sorry to say this on the PS3 forum but currntly the 360 is the better console AT THE MOMENT. I will say though that this cannot last as the only real way that its better is due to its online functionality. This is due (OBVIOUSLY) to microsofts experiance . The PS3 is a better machine and this is demonstrated best by killzone 2. I have both systems and as far as exclusives go i've got halo 3, gears 2, fable 2and whatever else happens to be a 360 exclusive and i wasn't overly impressed by their quality. Don't get me wrong, great games on a good console but killzone blew me away in tems of graphics, map size, player numbers online(with very minimal lag, something which xbox needs to address) and the overall quality(gameplay is another issue, i personally love it but have seen a lot of hate thrown in its direction by people who can't adjust to a diffrent approach). With this game as an example it is obvious that the PS3 can "destroy" the XBOX in the "console wars" and exclusives are the way to gobecause the xbox holds back the games. imagine if GTA4 had been exclusive like it should have been (in my opinion). all that extra blu ray space could have allowed rockstar to put so much more into what turned out to be a game that quickly ran out of things to do in comparioson to its predecessors. if sony can get their exclusive games back like they had on the PS2 theywill be able to develop bigger games with more stuff in them which can only win gamers over (barring cases of extreme fanboyism) and will ultimately lead the PS3 to be the "winner" for want of a better term (provided they keep working on the online niggles, especially a fix for all those guys 'n' gals who can't connect to their wireless router) Enough said. Sony has the tools, I hope they make use of them all.

PSN/LIVE:-Twistedgenn

mrlingwood

The 360 is not a better console, it just has a better game selection. Because it came out first, most of the games that are launched for both the 360 and the PS3 get created with the 360's architecture in mind (well, because it came out first, because it's easier to program for and if they tried to do a game with the PS3's architecture in mind first it may get to be too much for the 360).

Price is the main issue here, not games

What an incredibly meaningless thread.

Who the hell cares why the PS3 is trailing behind in sales?

Holy ****ing hell. Is it really such a big deal? Do you lose sleep because of it?

I feel this topic turning into a flame war..:?

For a second there, I serious thought there was gonna be something intelligent addressed in this forum. Yeah, having more kiddy games would get a few more owners. But get real, the cheaper systems with more games are gonna sell more, has nothing to do with how many kiddy games or trying to remake sorry games like Jak and Dexter or Sly Cooper. Evenback when they came out I wasn't interested in a platformer. Are you kidding me!!!!! Maybe I'm just too old to believe that bring back games that I was too old to ever give the time of day to. So I'm sorry, I can't actually say these games are horrible and not worthy of remaking. Maybe show me some figures and if the fanbase is huge, then yeah it would be worth it. Maybe talkin about things that would actually improve sales. If MGS4(which had fanboys up the wahzoo) couldnt make the huge of a sales jump, then you know it's all about that 400 dollar price tag. Now if you said something about a PS3 that was like 250 with 20 or less gigs and maybe the absence of Wifi and possibly throw in some BLU Raymail in rebates. Thatwill more than likely get BLU Ray loves and open the door for people that want the ability to play PS3 games but not the cash. And having it around tax return time next year, cause 250 is still high for everyday joes. That's just a suggestion. Having the PS3 at a lower price then a BLU Ray player would only make the increase in sales a bad thing for the company's cost verses reward.

its because the xbox360 came out before the ps3

MURDA_B

I'm a 19 year old college student and I too like the fact that the PS3 is a more adult console. That's part of what is attracting me to it.

BUT...

I don't own one because it is so much more expensive than its competitors. So unfortunately I have a 360 instead.

The whole "console war"is irrelevant; any unbiased person can plainly see whichgame systemhas the most to offer. But any unbiased person can also see which one has the most ridiculous price tag, and that will usually persuade them to choose one of the other options.

If the price of the PS3 drops, IWILL buy a PS3 immediately, without hesitation. You might say that I am waiting for it. But until then, my money is going to Microsoft.