I'm getting SICK and TIRED of fps games

Why make a game like Tales when it sells under 1 million when we could make a game like CoD that could sell 6 million.ryangcnx-2

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]Why make a game like Tales when it sells under 1 million when we could make a game like CoD that could sell 6 million.DiamondSlicer

Most games from Japan have made it here to some degree. The Tales games from this generation have made it. Toki No Tawa is going to make it. Ni No Kuni is being brought over. The Atelier series also came out. I am not seeing very many games that have not been brought over to the West. Obviously there are some games that will remain in Japan, but those seem to be few and far between. Even Tokyo Jungle made it to the West, which is very surprising.

There are a lot of FPS games, but that doesn't mean you have to buy them, especially consideing there are several other games in other genres.

I don't understand this irrational fascination with the CoD series that enables it to break sales records every year when it's the same damn thing. It also doesn't help when the Gaming Press post reviews praising these games year after year despite their claims to be "highly critical establishments looking out for the best interests for the consumer."

It just doesn't make sense.

Most games from Japan have made it here to some degree. The Tales games from this generation have made it. Toki No Tawa is going to make it. Ni No Kuni is being brought over. The Atelier series also came out. I am not seeing very many games that have not been brought over to the West. Obviously there are some games that will remain in Japan, but those seem to be few and far between. Even Tokyo Jungle made it to the West, which is very surprising.

gamenerd15

These games are only being released (with some as exception) because there is higher demand than average for these Japanese games. It's a pity we have to wait months/years for these game to be released outside of Japan.

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]Most games from Japan have made it here to some degree. The Tales games from this generation have made it. Toki No Tawa is going to make it. Ni No Kuni is being brought over. The Atelier series also came out. I am not seeing very many games that have not been brought over to the West. Obviously there are some games that will remain in Japan, but those seem to be few and far between. Even Tokyo Jungle made it to the West, which is very surprising.

DiamondSlicer

These games are only being released (with some as exception) because there is higher demand than average for these Japanese games. It's a pity we have to wait months/years for these game to be released outside of Japan.

RPG's take awhile to translate. It seems that you are suggesting that other companies stop making games in order to make a profit and focus on making titles for a niche market. The gaming industry responds to what the consumer votes for with his or her dollars. Developers are not going to make games in order to try and make the interest grow for a specific genre. Developers and publishers make games they hope are going to sell. I personally would like more whimsical adventure games like Ratchet and Sly Cooper, but those games do not sell extremely well. I would have preferred that Insomniac stick with its Overstrike concept instead of going into the war type direction of Fuse, but testing showed that people thought Overstrike was a game for younger audiences. The gaming market is really tight and developers and publishers are not going to take huge risks on a game that is almost certain to fail at retail.

The average FPS multiplayer has lost progression and innovation and became quite generic. Ofcourse there are a lot of exceptions, but I would love to see the AAA titles push some new idea's. In the same way I'd like to see more AAA FPS games that focus on singleplayer.

Multiplayer has become this DLC cash cow with new maps and kits, so devs basically say f*** it to the single player experience. I miss games like Half Life, Deus Ex and Red Faction.

RPG's take awhile to translate. It seems that you are suggesting that other companies stop making games in order to make a profit and focus on making titles for a niche market. The gaming industry responds to what the consumer votes for with his or her dollars. Developers are not going to make games in order to try and make the interest grow for a specific genre. Developers and publishers make games they hope are going to sell. I personally would like more whimsical adventure games like Ratchet and Sly Cooper, but those games do not sell extremely well. I would have preferred that Insomniac stick with its Overstrike concept instead of going into the war type direction of Fuse, but testing showed that people thought Overstrike was a game for younger audiences. The gaming market is really tight and developers and publishers are not going to take huge risks on a game that is almost certain to fail at retail.

gamenerd15

True, but I think developers (when they are not forced by any means and have freedom to create whatever they want) should take a risk with creating new games more often. Even when they don't have enough say in the matter, they should voice their opinion if they have that need. Quantic Dream decided to continue after Indigo Prophecy, or Fahrenheit, by creating Heavy Rain. No one was sure how people would respond to the QTE style but the majority had a great time with the game. Everything was once new. You come across all kinds of background stories and diverse characters in the games you've played the past years or decade(s) even. Some memorable, some utterly crap, but that's all part of this business. Sometimes you have to take a risk to bring something new to the market and offer some refreshment. It's not this extreme, fortunately, but this is the point I'm trying to make. Not bringing out new ideas simply because you are afraid it's going to fail before even trying does not justify it imo. There have been many games made in the past that failed yet they were made. It's not completely out of this world.

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

RPG's take awhile to translate. It seems that you are suggesting that other companies stop making games in order to make a profit and focus on making titles for a niche market. The gaming industry responds to what the consumer votes for with his or her dollars. Developers are not going to make games in order to try and make the interest grow for a specific genre. Developers and publishers make games they hope are going to sell. I personally would like more whimsical adventure games like Ratchet and Sly Cooper, but those games do not sell extremely well. I would have preferred that Insomniac stick with its Overstrike concept instead of going into the war type direction of Fuse, but testing showed that people thought Overstrike was a game for younger audiences. The gaming market is really tight and developers and publishers are not going to take huge risks on a game that is almost certain to fail at retail.

DiamondSlicer

True, but I think developers (when they are not forced by any means and have freedom to create whatever they want) should take a risk with creating new games more often. Even when they don't have enough say in the matter, they should voice their opinion if they have that need. Quantic Dream decided to continue after Indigo Prophecy, or Fahrenheit, by creating Heavy Rain. No one was sure how people would respond to the QTE style but the majority had a great time with the game. Everything was once new. You come across all kinds of background stories and diverse characters in the games you've played the past years or decade(s) even. Some memorable, some utterly crap, but that's all part of this business. Sometimes you have to take a risk to bring something new to the market and offer some refreshment. It's not this extreme, fortunately, but this is the point I'm trying to make. Not bringing out new ideas simply because you are afraid it's going to fail before even trying does not justify it imo. There have been many games made in the past that failed yet they were made. It's not completely out of this world.

I do not really see where there is a lack of experimentation. Games like Flow, Journey, Flower, The unfinished Swan, Pixejunk Eden, Puddle Detora, Zack and Wiki, Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom, Dyad, and Sound Shapes all have a unique twist. Even games like Sideway: New York and Rochard are quirky in their own way despite being in a traditional genre. Child of Eden also springs to mind as well. Unique games are out there, but nobody buys them and that is why developers do not flex the creative muscle. Epic Mickey 2 seems pretty good. The demo was fun.

Unique games are out there, but nobody buys them

gamenerd15

Oh, I beg to differ! I know I do, and a lot of other people do too. Thankfully, games like those you mentioned are out there and (I hope) more are headed our direction because there is more to a game than just sales. I think the bigger guys in game industry should consider that too.

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

Unique games are out there, but nobody buys them

DiamondSlicer

Oh, I beg to differ! I know I do, and a lot of other people do too. Thankfully, games like those you mentioned are out there and (I hope) more are headed our direction because there is more to a game than just sales. I think the bigger guys in game industry should consider that too.

You are never going to see EA or Activision take a risk. Ubisoft and Capcom might take a risk every once and again, but not that often. Why do you think Clover Studios shut down. Viewtiful Joe and Okami did not sell well. Beyond Good and Evil also did ridiculously poor in the market. Even shooters with a twist end up not doing so well. Starhawk is good example. It was a third person shooter with a strategy element, and it failed big time. The game also was not promoted that well. With companies like Sega, Square Enix, and THQ posting losses, it is no surprises that we are not seeing more experimental games. The developer behind Crackdwon also went under due to the second game not performing so well. Darksiders sold Millions at retail, but still was seen as a bust. I believe Darksiders was number one in the month of August for NPD numbers.

The market might not be the best right now, but shooters are hardly to blame for lack of creativity.

Lots of ignorant people here. I will set you straight. Because so many developers make generic shooters, there are less and less good quality original games. We can't have many great games anymore, since all the emphasis is placed on crappy shooters instead of good games.

Lots of ignorant people here. I will set you straight. Because so many developers make generic shooters, there are less and less good quality original games. We can't have many great games anymore, since all the emphasis is placed on crappy shooters instead of good games.

soundcellx

Way to overgeneralize. What genre of gaming is lacking in the current of generation? Nothing. There are multiple games in every genre

Fighting

Tekken

Soul Calibur

Street Fighter

Mortal Kombat

Virtua Fighter

Skullgirls

Blazblue

Persona 4: Arena

Dead or Alive

King of Fighters

Western RPG

Kingdom's of Amalur

Elder Scrolls 4 and 5

Sacred Angel

Mass Effect

JRPG

Star Ocean

Final Fantasy

Atelier

Valkyria Chronicles

Disgaea

Ni No Kuni

Demon's Souls

Dark Souls

Ar Tonelico

Eternal Sonata

Tales of Graces

Tales of Xillia

Resonance of Fate

Toki No Tawa

Tales of Vesperia

Last Rebellion

Dragon's Dogma

Hack n Slash action

Ninja Gaiden Sigma

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

Ninja Gaiden 3

Devil May Cry Collection

Devil May Cry 4

DMC

Bayonetta

Conan

Dante's Inferno

Dynasty Warriors

God of Collection

God of War 3

God of War Ascension

God of War Origins

Asura's Wrath

Heavenly Sword

X-Blades

Sangoku Basara

Warriors Orachi

Adventure

Ratchet and Clank Series

Sly Collection

Sly 4

Jack and Daxter Collection

Enslaved

Epick Mickey 2

Prince of Persia

Prince of Persia, The Forgotten Sands

Prince of Persia Collection

Uncharted

Uncharted 2

Uncharted 3

Assassins Creed series

Castlevania Lords of shadow

Infamous

Infamous 2

Sleeping Dogs

Watch Dogs

Grand Theft Auto 4

Grand Theft Auto 5

Red Dead Redemption

L.A. Noir

Saints Row 2

Saints Row 3

Heavy Rain

Racing

Sonic All Stars Racing

Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

Little Big Planet Karting

Modnation Racers

F1 All Stars

The various Need for Speed games

Grid

Blur

Split Second

Gran Turismo

Test Drive

Dirt

Dirt 2

Dirt 3

Motorstorm

Motorstorm: Pacific Rift

Motorstorm: Apocalypse

Ridge Racer 7

Ridge Racer Unbounded

Side Scrolling games and platformers

Little Big Planet

Little Big Planet 2

Sonic Unleashed

Sonic Generations

Rayman Origins

Rochard

Sideway: New York

Explodemon

Joe Danger

Joe Danger: The Movie

Bloodrayne

About a Blob

Puzzle

Cuboid

Tetris

Go Sudoku

Lemmings

Sports

Hot Shots Golf

MLB The Show

MLB 2K Franchise

Madden Franchise

NBA 2k Franchise

NBA Live Franchise

NBA Jam

NBA Jam On Fire

NHL Franchise

Pro Evolution Soccer Franchise

Fifa Franchise

Fifa Street Franchise

I am pretty sure I missed a good bit of games within all the genres, but all of the games listed are not shooters. A few might have strong shooting elements, but nonetheless. If you cannot find a game you like outside of shooter, then you are not looking hard enough.

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

Unique games are out there, but nobody buys them

DiamondSlicer

Oh, I beg to differ! I know I do, and a lot of other people do too. Thankfully, games like those you mentioned are out there and (I hope) more are headed our direction because there is more to a game than just sales. I think the bigger guys in game industry should consider that too.

Because so many developers make generic shooters, there are less and less good quality original games.soundcellx

I love how you say this so non-chalant; as if originality is so easy to come by :| Everything borrows from something. Let's see you come up with something truly "original" that doesn't borrow from anything that came before it--AND make it succeed. Go ahead, we're all waiting.

What's wrong with wanting originality? What's the point of playing recent FPS games such as the new Medal of Honor who are so similar to other games that there is no point in playing them? It is hard to be completely original, and borrowing some elements from other games can be a good thing, but when mostly the whole genre is copying the same formula [Short five to six hour campaign with a lots of "epic" cinematic scenes (big explosions, near death experiences, making a jump from up high and narrowly missing, etc.) and multiplayers which focus more on a leveling system, perks, killstreaks, and overall content than they do with balance and skill] it gets stale. For me, Black Ops 2 looks decent, and it might be one of the better COD's that have been released, but my interest for the series is gone after repeated entries that follow this same formula on a yearly basis. The new Bioshock is an example of an FPS that is original, and instead of following the same common formula that I listed, it does its own thing. For this reason, it will stand out and be more enjoyable to play than these other generic FPS's which are flooding the market.

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]Because so many developers make generic shooters, there are less and less good quality original games.Kravyn81

linearity

killstreaks

pewpew

bad story bad characters bad dialogue

regenerating health

michael bay explosons

lack of substance / depth / originality

why the hell aren't shooters more like Metroid Prime and Half Life series? Those are like the two most recent best shooters out there, but the rest of FPS and TPS included do not have a fraction of the originality and quality of those games.

this gen I have been missing great jrpgs, games like legacy of kain soul reaver, baldur's gate, champions of norrath, diablo, jet set radio, etc. but instead we keep getting all these crappy corridor tps and fps.

and why the hell must they be CORRIDOR SHOOTERS?? Can't we have some exploration and puzzles and stuff instead of just mindlessly shooting everything?

[QUOTE="Kravyn81"][QUOTE="soundcellx"]Because so many developers make generic shooters, there are less and less good quality original games.soundcellx

linearity

killstreaks

pewpew

bad story bad characters bad dialogue

regenerating health

michael bay explosons

lack of substance / depth / originality

why the hell aren't shooters more like Metroid Prime and Half Life series? Those are like the two most recent best shooters out there, but the rest of FPS and TPS included do not have a fraction of the originality and quality of those games.

this gen I have been missing great jrpgs, games like legacy of kain soul reaver, baldur's gate, champions of norrath, diablo, jet set radio, etc. but instead we keep getting all these crappy corridor tps and fps.

and why the hell must they be CORRIDOR SHOOTERS?? Can't we have some exploration and puzzles and stuff instead of just mindlessly shooting everything?

I am pretty sure that Blizzard came out with Diablo 3 on PC, and Bioware is working a Baldur's Gate 3. Jet Set Radio came out on the console networks. I have heard that Xenoblade and The Last Story good. Those games are not on a Sony console, but you can still play them. You complain, but you choose not to look around. Also the reason JRPG's are not coming to console is due to the fact that the Japanese market is more handheld oriented at this point. Just because your favorite franchises have not come out in this generation yet, does nto mean that the whole generation is nothing but shooters or that it sucks.

What's wrong with wanting originality?hanslacher54

[QUOTE="hanslacher54"]What's wrong with wanting originality?Kravyn81

Diablo 3 is piss poor and the consensus is people do not like it. Jet Set Radio HD is not a new game it is an HD-ized rerelease. I bought it, but that does not make it new. Xenoblade and The Last Story are only two JRPGs, how does only two games make up for a crappy gen of crappy JRPGs? And yes, most games released now suck and are mindless stupid shootems. soundcellx

You are a moron.

Diablo 3 is piss poor and the consensus is people do not like it. Jet Set Radio HD is not a new game it is an HD-ized rerelease. I bought it, but that does not make it new. Xenoblade and The Last Story are only two JRPGs, how does only two games make up for a crappy gen of crappy JRPGs? And yes, most games released now suck and are mindless stupid shootems. soundcellx

Honestly, I think you just come in here to troll. If you hate this console generation so much, then why are you even here? I am sure you have played all this generation has to offer.

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

You are a moron.

StrongBlackVine

I will summarize your post:

"HUUUUURRRRR DUUUUURRRRRRR NURRRRRRRRR DOOOOORRRRRRRR DUUUUUUUHHHHHHRR"

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]Diablo 3 is piss poor and the consensus is people do not like it. Jet Set Radio HD is not a new game it is an HD-ized rerelease. I bought it, but that does not make it new. Xenoblade and The Last Story are only two JRPGs, how does only two games make up for a crappy gen of crappy JRPGs? And yes, most games released now suck and are mindless stupid shootems. gamenerd15

Honestly, I think you just come in here to troll. If you hate this console generation so much, then why are you even here? I am sure you have played all this generation has to offer.

You and everyone else who are happy with ruining video games are the trolls.

I'm pretty sure people know there are other games out there besides FPS games, that is WAY beside the point. There is nothing wrong with a FPS game, good example of how it's put to good use for immersion is Fallout, Skyrim or the recent Dishonored. Even though they are based on the FPS view, they are completely different games. You will never say the same about CoD, Battlefield or whatever war game. Why? Because they never change anything in those games besides changing names, settings and dates. Add some flashy explosions here, add some bro drama there and you've got your game. Your goal is always the same and incredibly linear. They keep giving the same game only disguised with a catchy word or phrase after the original title or adding a 2 after it.

I'm pretty sure people know there are other games out there besides FPS games, that is WAY beside the point. There is nothing wrong with a FPS game, good example of how it's put to good use for immersion is Fallout, Skyrim or the recent Dishonored. Even though they are based on the FPS view, they are completely different games. You will never say the same about CoD, Battlefield or whatever war game. Why? Because they never change anything in those games besides changing names, settings and dates. Add some flashy explosions here, add some bro drama there and you've got your game. Your goal is always the same and incredibly linear. They keep giving the same game only disguised with a catchy word or phrase after the original title or adding a 2 after it.

DiamondSlicer

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

I will summarize your post:

"HUUUUURRRRR DUUUUURRRRRRR NURRRRRRRRR DOOOOORRRRRRRR DUUUUUUUHHHHHHRR"

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]Diablo 3 is piss poor and the consensus is people do not like it. Jet Set Radio HD is not a new game it is an HD-ized rerelease. I bought it, but that does not make it new. Xenoblade and The Last Story are only two JRPGs, how does only two games make up for a crappy gen of crappy JRPGs? And yes, most games released now suck and are mindless stupid shootems. soundcellx

Honestly, I think you just come in here to troll. If you hate this console generation so much, then why are you even here? I am sure you have played all this generation has to offer.

You and everyone else who are happy with ruining video games are the trolls.

You have been reported. All you do is complain i every topic and say how much everything sucks.

You have been reported.gamenerd15

OH NO, HAAALLLLLLLLPPPP!

All you do is complain i every topic and say how much everything sucks.

gamenerd15

There clearly is a huge distinction between old games and new games. So, it is against the law to be unhappy with most new games? Hell, even devs in the VG industry have been interviewed and have commented on why games these days are casualized for non gamers. Even Nintendo has an interview about why all the new Mario games are piss poor easy peasy.

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Honestly, I think you just come in here to troll. If you hate this console generation so much, then why are you even here? I am sure you have played all this generation has to offer.

gamenerd15

You and everyone else who are happy with ruining video games are the trolls.

You have been reported. All you do is complain i every topic and say how much everything sucks.

as with everything they create games that sell, FPS games sell good so you will see a lot of them. Doesn't meen u cant pick up different games (look at Xcmon recently, sold like crap but its amazing)

It's not the genre that is necessarily repeated too much, but the sub-genre that exists in most and persists to be made by varying developers (militarised).

I love FPS in general. Bioshock is my favourite game of all time, and there are many other games of the genre that excel in the industry.

I like FPS games in general, just not games like COD which are just the same thing over and over again.

I like FPS games but since I don't buy every single FPS title that's released I can't say I'm bored of their lack of originality.

I don't understand this irrational fascination with the CoD series that enables it to break sales records every year when it's the same damn thing. It also doesn't help when the Gaming Press post reviews praising these games year after year despite their claims to be "highly critical establishments looking out for the best interests for the consumer."

It just doesn't make sense.

Kravyn81

It's because these companies have friends in the media and a good marketing budget. It's all "hype". How do you think Halo became so popular? Halo would've sunk in the sea of a saturated FPS market if they didn't have those Microsoft marketing dollars backing it. Fast forward to today, that has now been passed on to the Call Of Duty franchise who sees a yearly release of slight alterations of Call Of Duty 4. Also, I don't think these "record breaking" numbers are entirely true. It's apart of the hype after all, to get people to buy into it. "The news says it's record breaking, it must be awesome!"

This may be oversimplifying things, but no one is holding you down and forcing you to play any FPS's. There's plenty of other games to concern yourself with.

I'm still a huge fan of those games

94 posts good job op.

I mostly play FPS more specifically Call of Duty. Most of the terrible FPS games get weeded out quickly. (I.E. Homefront and Brink) I do think too much time goes into FPS games which leads to less improvement and ideas for other genres in gaming. Every developer wants to be the next COD or the next 2K or the next GTA. I really blame youtube for the death of the gaming and COD community.AnUnrulyGod

Tc you know there is more than one genre of games. I find enjoyment in FPS,TPS,RTS,Action Adventure,WRPG,JRPG (lack of them this gen is annoying though).