Important question about hdmi

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#1 felipealcar
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Hey guys, i would like to know the difference between some hdmi cables and the "gold" or "monster" series. Because some people may think some are better than others, but since all the signal is digital, all 0s and 1s, there aren't any loss of quality; that happend on analogic signals. So if someone is very kind to tell me the real difference between digital signal and digital signal "gold or monster" because it's all the same to me
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#2 Jared2720
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Although I am certainly no expert, the notion that all HDMI cables are created equal is a myth. Cheaper HDMI cables offer limited signal bandwidth which may or may not hinder some types of media. At this point, a cable capable of 10.2 gbps is sufficient, but in the future, this may prove to be insufficient.

It is, however, a myth that because the signal is digital that the cable itself doesn't matter. It's not true.

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#3 solaris1979
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Unless you are considering hooking up HDMI over long distance (over 10-20 ft). I'd say don't worry much about the cable. There are difference in cable standard and quality. Most having to do with how badly signal degenerated over length or or interference between wires. Problem is minuscule if cable length is short and environment is relatively noise free (like some 1000W sub-woofer where cable has to go through). Don't worry about cable length if you do not have super fancy setup. visual improvement between Monster cable and regular cable won't be clear until you link it pass 20ft range.
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The only difference between Monster and everything else is a few hundred bucks.
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#5 solaris1979
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The only difference between Monster and everything else is a few hundred bucks.RoyTheViking
It's like saying 4-gauge wires are the same with 8-gauge wires... True for regular folks, but different kind of tools in eyes of electricians.
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#6 felipealcar
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i would really like to see 2 pictures to compare. If not, i'm staying with my thoughts that once the signal is digital, there is no loss in quality unlike analog
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i would really like to see 2 pictures to compare. If not, i'm staying with my thoughts that once the signal is digital, there is no loss in quality unlike analogfelipealcar

It's not just about visuals. Audio is also trasferred via HDMI. You like sound, don't you?

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There are 2 types. Cat1 and Cat2. The higher the Cat the higher the cable is rated for protection from signal degradation. Idealy you want to use Cat1 (the cheap cables) on old HDMI 1.2 devices, and Cat2 on HDMI 1.3 devices (TVs with 14bit colour, or 7.1 surround sound setups).
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#9 solaris1979
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i would really like to see 2 pictures to compare. If not, i'm staying with my thoughts that once the signal is digital, there is no loss in quality unlike analogfelipealcar

I am not going to say you are wrong, for general use, including for me and majorty of people, cable quality does not matter. Are the cable different? Answer is yes. But for our use there is no need to get higher quality cable the improved quality is not noticable.

Here is a straight quote from HDMI.org (source)

"Q. What are the technical and branding requirements for cables?

"As part of the new Trademark and Logo Usage Guidelines, cables will be labeled as either Standard or High Speed.

  1. Standard cables (referred to as Category 1 cables in the HDMI specification) are those tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz, which is the equivalent of an uncompressed 1080i signal.
  2. High Speed cables (referred to as Category 2 cables in the HDMI specification), are those tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths (e.g. greater than eight bits per color) and/or increased refresh rates (e.g. 120Hz). High Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as those at the latest 1440p and WQXGA resolutions (e.g. cinema monitors with a resolution of 2560 x 1600).

"While many cables that are branded as Standard cables will work at higher speeds (especially at cable lengths of less than five meters), to guarantee performance, consumers should purchase a cable that is tested and rated for the specific speed required by their system."

Here's the knowledge reference material from monoprice

Maybe the info is not good enough for you (and you want screenshots), but I think it's pretty clear that there are different standard between cables. Biggest thing is that when distance gets longer, you will have to go with category 2 as category 1 allows only maximum of 16-20 ft.

If you want more info, wikipedia has a pretty good article regarding to HDMI format

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#10 WalterPeck
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"at lengths less than five meters."

Well there you go. I use the "cheap" $15 HDMI cable that partsexpress.com offers. 1M. Works perfectly, no 1080p problems. Take an electrical engineering course or three and learn how full of crap most expensive cables are.