Is it me or someone else too thinks GOd of War storyline have become garbage?

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

I think they just extend too much the story, 3 games and all those psp games, I think it was just too much.

The same goes for Assassins Creed. I think they just extended much the story of ezio, they should have already moved to 3. Although I'm excited for Revelations because Altair is coming back

I think they just extend too much the story, 3 games and all those psp games, I think it was just too much.

The same goes for Assassins Creed. I think they just extended much the story of ezio, they should have already moved to 3. Although I'm excited for Revelations because Altair is coming back

FireFox67

Completely agree.It was Assassin's Creed which was meant to be a trilogy.looks like Assassin's Creed II itself has become a full blown trilogy.But the gameplay and environments are the saving graces.

[QUOTE="FireFox67"]

I think they just extend too much the story, 3 games and all those psp games, I think it was just too much.

The same goes for Assassins Creed. I think they just extended much the story of ezio, they should have already moved to 3. Although I'm excited for Revelations because Altair is coming back

Serioussamik

Completely agree.It was Assassin's Creed which was meant to be a trilogy.looks like Assassin's Creed II itself has become a full blown trilogy.But the gameplay and environments are the saving graces.

Agree. I got to tell you, if they didn't have made Altair appear in Revelatons, I would probably would wait till Assassin's Creed 3

I somewhat agree with your 1st point. I dont think the others were complete garbage, but GOW1 easily had the best story. his anger with ares and guilt with himself, as well as his quest, were understandable. but in GOW2 onward, he just throws a fit when he gets what he deserves.Sword-Demon

Which means he was too nutcase to become a god,ever! Athena should have known better! :P

I felt the portrayal of Gods is tastelessly done in God of War II onwards.The developer's whim got in the way of the story.In this regard,gotta give a standing ovation to Ensemble/Microsoft for their great stories in Age of Mythologies series where the portrayal ancient Gods are apt.

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

I kind of agree with your first statement.

I enjoyed all the console god Of War games (never played the PSP ones, looking forward to the origins release) the issues for me spawned more from the repetition.

Hate gods, try to kill gods, die, sent tohades, escape hades, find gods, kill gods, avenge self, rinse and repeat.

But it is no different to any other game franchise being milked for all it's worth and more. the real difference with God Of War, IMHO, is that is had the production values and excellent development to back it up.

I mean, it wasn't churned out just for the sake of it. You could tell that the dev team really put their heart and soul into the creation of each game and me, as the player, could feel it from start to finish.

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as for the "stupid portrayal of greek gods as bosses" I pesonally can't think of anyone better suited to being an in-game bos as a greek god.

Each one had a world to rule over, a talent, if we can call it that, to bring to the fight and each battle was based somewhat loosley on written legend. God of war was simply an 18 rated clash of the titans game. sure, it's a basterdisation on the legends, but these kind of stories are no different from any other when it comes to being source material for movies and games. Persoanlly i think sony Santa Monica showed an awful lot of respect for the greek legends.

the greek gods were simply an inspiration for the game, like the four horsemen of the apocolyse was for Darksiders. It's not like they were advertising them as true events!

I much prefered the story of GOW2 and 3 over GOW1. Didnt really like the one in GOW1 but loved it in the sequels.

GoW 2> GoW1> GoW 3

Yeah, the storyline is getting too chaotic and nonesense, just killing everyone and everything.

And what's the problem with killing greek gods ?? It's a videogame, and it's exactly that mythical component that makes GOW so special

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

TroubleMaker411

I kind of agree with your first statement.

I enjoyed all the console god Of War games (never played the PSP ones, looking forward to the origins release) the issues for me spawned more from the repetition.

Hate gods, try to kill gods, die, sent tohades, escape hades, find gods, kill gods, avenge self, rinse and repeat.

But it is no different to any other game franchise being milked for all it's worth and more. the real difference with God Of War, IMHO, is that is had the production values and excellent development to back it up.

I mean, it wasn't churned out just for the sake of it. You could tell that the dev team really put their heart and soul into the creation of each game and me, as the player, could feel it from start to finish.

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as for the "stupid portrayal of greek gods as bosses" I pesonally can't think of anyone better suited to being an in-game bos as a greek god.

Each one had a world to rule over, a talent, if we can call it that, to bring to the fight and each battle was based somewhat loosley on written legend. God of war was simply an 18 rated clash of the titans game. sure, it's a basterdisation on the legends, but these kind of stories are no different from any other when it comes to being source material for movies and games. Persoanlly i think sony Santa Monica showed an awful lot of respect for the greek legends.

the greek gods were simply an inspiration for the game, like the four horsemen of the apocolyse was for Darksiders. It's not like they were advertising them as true events!

See as I said the same topic were chosen by Ensemble for Age of Mythologies as well and neither was that advertised as true events.But they never made the story laugahble or the portrayal of an ancient culture tasteless.

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

disagree, the ending of 3 fits nicely with the supposed flood of 40 days and 40 nights which i think was pretty cool. seeing greek gods in a new way was also refreshing in my opinion.

I agree. I think the story got worse as the series went on, and I also started to hate Kratos.

Yeah well for the third one the story was made in a way to have some extra gameplay but the middle chunk of the story was forgettable. At least the gameplay withstands the test of time i'll give them that. However I think the story was pretty amazing, the only thing you have to know really though in number 2 is Kratos is betrayed by Zeus and then he assembles his powers to go a kill Zues. and in number 3 He kills zues. That is the only importance of the story everything in between is just filler but I still like the in between story it's still better than the average game, in fact nopw that I think about it I very much love the story thanks for helping me remember why haha.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

I don't know if I missed something but in GOW3 it always bothered me that Kratos seemed to know where to go whilst I was totally in the dark. Seemed like a lot of action sequences glued around some unknown exploration path, not like GOW1 where you were told or revealed a path to achieve something.

Fact: God of War 2 is the worst in the series. Just had to throw that out there, because I see a lot of people who seem to think otherwise. Sorry. EccentricWraith

Fact: God of War II is the best in the series. Just had to throw that ot there, because I see some people who seem to think otherwise. Sorry.

[QUOTE="EccentricWraith"]Fact: God of War 2 is the worst in the series. Just had to throw that out there, because I see a lot of people who seem to think otherwise. Sorry. worlock77

Fact: God of War II is the best in the series. Just had to throw that ot there, because I see some people who seem to think otherwise. Sorry.

He should've gone to Hades and saved his wife and child, he's only been there like a thousand times. Instead he keeps leaving to go kill other random gods etc.

.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

I kind of agree with your first statement.

I enjoyed all the console god Of War games (never played the PSP ones, looking forward to the origins release) the issues for me spawned more from the repetition.

Hate gods, try to kill gods, die, sent tohades, escape hades, find gods, kill gods, avenge self, rinse and repeat.

But it is no different to any other game franchise being milked for all it's worth and more. the real difference with God Of War, IMHO, is that is had the production values and excellent development to back it up.

I mean, it wasn't churned out just for the sake of it. You could tell that the dev team really put their heart and soul into the creation of each game and me, as the player, could feel it from start to finish.

...................................................

as for the "stupid portrayal of greek gods as bosses" I pesonally can't think of anyone better suited to being an in-game bos as a greek god.

Each one had a world to rule over, a talent, if we can call it that, to bring to the fight and each battle was based somewhat loosley on written legend. God of war was simply an 18 rated clash of the titans game. sure, it's a basterdisation on the legends, but these kind of stories are no different from any other when it comes to being source material for movies and games. Persoanlly i think sony Santa Monica showed an awful lot of respect for the greek legends.

the greek gods were simply an inspiration for the game, like the four horsemen of the apocolyse was for Darksiders. It's not like they were advertising them as true events!

See as I said the same topic were chosen by Ensemble for Age of Mythologies as well and neither was that advertised as true events.But they never made the story laugahble or the portrayal of an ancient culture tasteless.

The problem with your argument is that it focuses on the only fictional character in the series.

Kratos, while very different to the other gods, is the only one that has never been written about before. It goes back to my point about the greek gods being an inspiration for the story, rather than it being billed as "based on true events"

The greeks were famously very violent and adding that trait into a fictional god to take revenge against other gods that wronged him i thought was perfect.

The fact is, the violence, the temperament, are all things that define the word anti-hero. and Kratos is probably one of the best in gaming.

I personally thought their execution was solid. All 3 games, while just repeats of eachother, kept me interested and engaged all the way through. Maybe it's because i found the basterdisation of this particular story interesting.

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Your point about Age of Mythology, I'm sorry my friend, but that is cigarette paper thin,

You can't compare how a story is written an used across two very different genres.

It's like comparing the story of cal of duty to command and conquer.

RTS games are generally very very heavy on story and it is there as more than just a plot device. If you took the story of let's say Starcraft, and thinned it out to the paddling pool shallowness of say Halo, the game would have been a very different, and simply terrible, affair. One type of story doesn't compare to the other and the fact that they both revolve around a similar subject doesn't mean they can be compared. The story of AOM would not have goten further than the first 2 hours of God Of War, let alone carry across 2 sequals

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The problem with your argument is that it focuses on the only fictional character in the series.

Kratos, while very different to the other gods, is the only one that has never been written about before. It goes back to my point about the greek gods being an inspiration for the story, rather than it being billed as "based on true events"

The greeks were famously very violent and adding that trait into a fictional god to take revenge against other gods that wronged him i thought was perfect.

The fact is, the violence, the temperament, are all things that define the word anti-hero. and Kratos is probably one of the best in gaming.

I personally thought their execution was solid. All 3 games, while just repeats of eachother, kept me interested and engaged all the way through. Maybe it's because i found the basterdisation of this particular story interesting.

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Your point about Age of Mythology, I'm sorry my friend, but that is cigarette paper thin,

You can't compare how a story is written an used across two very different genres.

It's like comparing the story of cal of duty to command and conquer.

RTS games are generally very very heavy on story and it is there as more than just a plot device. If you took the story of let's say Starcraft, and thinned it out to the paddling pool shallowness of say Halo, the game would have been a very different, and simply terrible, affair. One type of story doesn't compare to the other and the fact that they both revolve around a similar subject doesn't mean they can be compared. The story of AOM would not have goten further than the first 2 hours of God Of War, let alone carry across 2 sequals

Yes I do agree about the games keeping us interested and the gameplay and pacing of sequences in GOW series is really second to none(also add some great graphics ever to grace PS2 to that).And seriously if I am waiting for GOd of War 4,that's because of those things alone.

But I when meant execution, I meant execution of the story only nothing else.Kratos was portrayed in an epic manner.He is the ultimate definition of a real anti-hero and controlling him is enormous fun.The problem arises when I think why Kratos is doing what he his doing?What's the cause of his paranoia against the people of Rhodes in GOW 2? And what is is that he is trying to achieve? And gamers feel-"it is enormous fun in doing what the game is making us do,but seriously why are we doing this?"

Not that other games are not guilty of this issue as you rightly said.But for God of War series it seems grossly out of place especially because of the epicness of the first game.( BTW nice to see someone else too regarding Halo story to be "paddling pool" shallow,I like that friend;)! )

It's okay that you think the Age Of Mythology story is cigarette paper thin (though I beg to differ).I'm afraid I think the same about God of War 2.And in God of War 3 it becomes a complete mess! Kratos has a problem with Zeus,but the way others are dragged into the story is laughable indeed (The Persephone Bow sequence was a ROFL riot).Whatever awe-inspiring stuff remained in the story after God of War 2 quickly vanished and the whole stuff became a cheeky affair.

And as for the true events argument-see Assassin's Creed series is also based on true events.But tell me pal,had they made Saladin a boss or king Richard a victim of Altair would not that leave a bad taste in the mouth? This comparison is made just for the fact both games have a different take on Mythology or history,to create an entirely fictional story.

Yes I do agree about the games keeping us interested and the gameplay and pacing of sequences in GOW series is really second to none(also add some great graphics ever to grace PS2 to that).And seriously if I am waiting for GOd of War 4,that's because of those things alone.

But I when meant execution, I meant execution of the story only nothing else.Kratos was portrayed in an epic manner.He is the ultimate definition of a real anti-hero and controlling him is enormous fun.The problem arises when I think why Kratos is doing what he his doing?What's the cause of his paranoia against the people of Rhodes in GOW 2? And what is is that he is trying to achieve? And gamers feel-"it is enormous fun in doing what the game is making us do,but seriously why are we doing this?"

Not that other games are not guilty of this issue as you rightly said.But for God of War series it seems grossly out of place especially because of the epicness of the first game.( BTW nice to see someone else too regarding Halo story to be "paddling pool" shallow,I like that friend;)! )

It's okay that you think the Age Of Mythology story is cigarette paper thin (though I beg to differ).I'm afraid I think the same about God of War 2.And in God of War 3 it becomes a complete mess! Kratos has a problem with Zeus,but the way others are dragged into the story is laughable indeed (The Persephone Bow sequence was a ROFL riot).Whatever awe-inspiring stuff remained in the story after God of War 2 quickly vanished and the whole stuff became a cheeky affair.

And as for the true events argument-see Assassin's Creed series is also based on true events.But tell me pal,had they made Saladin a boss or king Richard a victim of Altair would not that leave a bad taste in the mouth? This comparison is made just for the fact both games have a different take on Mythology or history,to create an entirely fictional story.

Serioussamik

I think you misunderstood what i was saying.

I thought the age of mythology story was excellent. But your argumentt comparing an RTS to a 3rd Person Fantasy Action game is rizla thin. In my opinion ofcourse. The stories, while based on the same thing, are very different games and the inspiration had lead each director in different ways.

I agree that GOW's story became proposterous towards the end, it is in no way stupider than the ways some franchises have stretched their story (see again, Halo :) as an example)

I for one applaud Assassin's Creed for it's inclusion of real life people and the fact that I get to kill them. While I don't get to assassinate Saladin or King Richard, I did get to assassinate several other real life people. And much like god of war, the stories of what actually happened (or we believe happened) are twisted in a way that suits the story. I also couldn't care less that the AC team screwed with Roman Mythos and made the Godess Minerva an ALIEN!

He should've gone to Hades and saved his wife and child, he's only been there like a thousand times. Instead he keeps leaving to go kill other random gods etc.

Zathic

***Spoiler***

He actually had that chance in the PSP title Chains of Olympus but decides to save mankind and the gods instead.

That's just your opinion, many others enjoy the storyline.

Personally I enjoyed God of War 3's story.

I've never played GoW, but from what I know, it went from tragic hero to 'AGNLATBGHLYAHHNAYNHT DESTROY EVERYTHING ALTNBGNLATGHAYNL FAN-SERVICE ANGNT,NAT,HN'

Which is really too bad, because you don't get tragic heroes much in gaming.

EDIT: Everyone in this thread should watch this video.

Well...let me just say that i disagree with all the negative comments about the games. I loved them all....and all in order...sure were they fan pleasers of coarse....but isn't that the goal? Is the story the most important part? no...u play mario?...any of them? then you'll knowthat game play, level variety, boss fights, combat upgrades? wow...that sounds like a quality game doesn't it?

I actually thought the God of War storyline was pretty good.

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

The_Rick_14

Godwin's Law proves true yet again.

Well, personally I just prefer to think that Kratos went completely insane with revenge and killing (what he pretty much did), otherwise I just cannot make myself treat this raging psychopath seriously, let alone care about him (I mean, the game forces you to kill innocents to achieve your goal). This makes things so much easier for me. The only problem with that, is that the story in GoW 3 could have been so much better than "oh well, the guy is just crazy, what's the point of questioning his motivation and deeds, I'll just focus on awesome gameplay and visuals". Talk about all the lost potential for a tragic anti-hero (well, that's how things were in GoW 1, but then it all just went downhill).Gambi7Fraiman

Seconded....dats what I was talking about.IMO Infamous handles the "purpose/motive for action" stuff much better.The storyline doesn't change but you will be compelled to play inFamous twice.

@TC

I think your topic isgarbage.

No one is forcing you to play. Don't like it? Don't play it. Enough said.

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

worlock77

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

I've never played GoW, but from what I know, it went from tragic hero to 'AGNLATBGHLYAHHNAYNHT DESTROY EVERYTHING ALTNBGNLATGHAYNL FAN-SERVICE ANGNT,NAT,HN'

Which is really too bad, because you don't get tragic heroes much in gaming.

EDIT: Everyone in this thread should watch this video.

supa_badman

Not sure how much of a tragic hero Kratos ever was. And the story never was much more than a straightforward revenge tale. Why should we watch that?

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[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

Sanctity? What sanctity is there in old tales that no one has put any stock in for thousands of years?

@TC

I think your topic isgarbage.

No one is forcing you to play. Don't like it? Don't play it. Enough said.

phantom_blade66

And I think your understanding of the topic is.........,weak.

No one is forcing U to reply if U think the topic is garbage.Period

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

worlock77

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

Sanctity? What sanctity is there in old tales that no one has put any stock in for thousands of years?

I beg to differ friend,pal.These are not ordinary old tales we're talking about,these are mythologies which was the base of the religious faith of many,however long ago.Yes often these things influenced fanaticism and zealotry but point is some people considered them religious.So what is wrong in giving them a wide berth (just recall the disclaimer when we fire up Assassin's Creed and u'll understand what i'm saying here).

Now just beacuse the Greek/Roman polytheism is extinct they stand to lose their sanctity?IMO that should not be the case.Most religions thriving today are thousands years own too and most of them have their "old tales" which are dealt with respect and relics preserved with utmost sanctity even today (like Hinduism,Christianity,Buddhism,Judaism,Islam).Hence we see disclaimers such as the one I mentioned as some religious group may crack the whip if basterdizations of their faith take place.It's just that,since ancient cultures like Greco-Roman,Norse and Egyptians has no existing member or group to object in the present world,are easy to be bastardized,isn't it? That's the reason why we are so care free about the basterdization of ancient religions and on the other side cautious about plots dealing with presently thriving religions.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

First, you overuse the word bastardized.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that reworking and reusing old mythology, beliefs, etc is wrong? I didn't know you were around during ancient Greek times and knew that their culture would get so offended because a video game was made featuring their gods. Ancient myths and faiths should be dealt with carefully? What are they new born infants? I don't know why your opinions are just hitting a nerve but it doesn't make sense why you are trying to be a champion for the proper treatment of mythology and theology? I don't see you complaining one bit over Dante's Inferno, which based itself on christainity. What about the Ramayana? And ancient indian text thats been republished and translated for this generation? If we don't utilize ancient myths and faiths then they fall to ruin and abandonment. So Tolkien created his own world yes. So does every single story ever that uses trolls or elves or dwarves or any of that sort compromising the quality of his works? No. So no creativity huh? I DARE you to walk up to the team that created the god of war series, and any other people who created games that "bastardize" as you so elegantly put it, and tell them they have no creativity. They would chew you up and spit you out.

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Of all the ways various world mythologies are bastardized and used in modern culture and you take issue with this series?

phantom_blade66

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

First, you overuse the word bastardized.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that reworking and reusing old mythology, beliefs, etc is wrong? I didn't know you were around during ancient Greek times and knew that their culture would get so offended because a video game was made featuring their gods. Ancient myths and faiths should be dealt with carefully? What are they new born infants? I don't know why your opinions are just hitting a nerve but it doesn't make sense why you are trying to be a champion for the proper treatment of mythology and theology? I don't see you complaining one bit over Dante's Inferno, which based itself on christainity. What about the Ramayana? And ancient indian text thats been republished and translated for this generation? If we don't utilize ancient myths and faiths then they fall to ruin and abandonment. So Tolkien created his own world yes. So does every single story ever that uses trolls or elves or dwarves or any of that sort compromising the quality of his works? No. So no creativity huh? I DARE you to walk up to the team that created the god of war series, and any other people who created games that "bastardize" as you so elegantly put it, and tell them they have no creativity. They would chew you up and spit you out.

Yep,I overused that term,so apologies.But I see you have not yet grasped the subject which was deteroiration of GOW stroyline.Meant to be placid stuff, aint it pal?

1)I didn't say the "exrecise of reworking mythology is wrong",in which case I would not have praised Age of Mythologies (if you bothered to read the earlier posts).I felt portrayal of the Gods second game onwards was objectionable and that was strictly my opinion.

2)I have not played Dante's Inferno so possibly can't comment on that.But if that game really have something to hurt follwers of Christianity that's not nice.

3)Republishing and translating is one thing and modication to something else is different.U sure understand that.And how modified or degraded versions of ancient myths can be used to preserve the same (instead of diluting/destroying them) is beyond me.So what a teenager will perceive 50 years on (if the world indeed comes to that)-Zeus was a video game villain? Beowulf romanced Grendel's mom and never killed her? Laughable

4)No Tolkien's work are not compromised in that,but gotta agree he made the job easier for some people (irrespective of their creativity) devising their plots around Elves,Dwarves,Orks,Goblins and all.Of course how entralling the end product becomes depend on the creator.That was my point.

In spite of great gameplay,brilliant graphics and unforeseen action seqences God of War story progressions lacked creativity or purpose IMO and some others too think so as evident from this thread.You may think otherwise and I'm fine with that.So should you be regarding my respect for ancient mythology.

5) It would either take retard or a comatose patient to label the Santa Monica folks "having no creativity".Relax, I am niether.But if you talk about the story,I stand at my point regarding lack of creativity in the story GOW2 onwards as one of us has rightly said franchises stretch the story needlessly for the sake of sequels.

6)You DARE me to say the GOW team they have no creativity??? Fine I dare you to go and tell your most hated celebrity about how much he/she sucks.Never will he he/she run out of chewing gums either.

[QUOTE="supa_badman"]

I've never played GoW, but from what I know, it went from tragic hero to 'AGNLATBGHLYAHHNAYNHT DESTROY EVERYTHING ALTNBGNLATGHAYNL FAN-SERVICE ANGNT,NAT,HN'

Which is really too bad, because you don't get tragic heroes much in gaming.

EDIT: Everyone in this thread should watch this video.

worlock77

Not sure how much of a tragic hero Kratos ever was. And the story never was much more than a straightforward revenge tale. Why should we watch that?

Watch it, seriously, it's great commentary.

EDIT: The tragic hero part is for GoW 1.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="supa_badman"]

I've never played GoW, but from what I know, it went from tragic hero to 'AGNLATBGHLYAHHNAYNHT DESTROY EVERYTHING ALTNBGNLATGHAYNL FAN-SERVICE ANGNT,NAT,HN'

Which is really too bad, because you don't get tragic heroes much in gaming.

EDIT: Everyone in this thread should watch this video.

supa_badman

Not sure how much of a tragic hero Kratos ever was. And the story never was much more than a straightforward revenge tale. Why should we watch that?

Watch it, seriously, it's great commentary.

EDIT: The tragic hero part is for GoW 1.

Tricked? Nah. He was filled with blind ambition and eagerly accepts the power that the gods offer. Hell he pledges himself to Ares when it looks like he's finally facing defeat. Ares offers him power which he accepts without questioning the potential cost.

[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

To tell you the truth I don't like bastardizations at all........be it novels,films or games.IMO any kind of ancient mythos or past or present faith should be dealt with carefully so as not to compromise their sanctity ,let alone bastardization them.

Tolkien showed what can be done to create epic stuff by being bastardized by ancient mythos and not bastardize them.In not one of his works would you find a direct reference to any mythology so no bastardizations there.Bastardizations arise from the utter lack of creativity IMO and are committed by people who get a compelling and ready made universe/legend/mythology in front of them and "rework" them often overriding the ethics and compromising the quality of the source.At points,these bastardized stuff make little to no sense!! Beowulf the film and GoW series are prime examples of this.

Serioussamik

First, you overuse the word bastardized.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that reworking and reusing old mythology, beliefs, etc is wrong? I didn't know you were around during ancient Greek times and knew that their culture would get so offended because a video game was made featuring their gods. Ancient myths and faiths should be dealt with carefully? What are they new born infants? I don't know why your opinions are just hitting a nerve but it doesn't make sense why you are trying to be a champion for the proper treatment of mythology and theology? I don't see you complaining one bit over Dante's Inferno, which based itself on christainity. What about the Ramayana? And ancient indian text thats been republished and translated for this generation? If we don't utilize ancient myths and faiths then they fall to ruin and abandonment. So Tolkien created his own world yes. So does every single story ever that uses trolls or elves or dwarves or any of that sort compromising the quality of his works? No. So no creativity huh? I DARE you to walk up to the team that created the god of war series, and any other people who created games that "bastardize" as you so elegantly put it, and tell them they have no creativity. They would chew you up and spit you out.

Yep,I overused that term,so apologies.But I see you have not yet grasped the subject which was deteroiration of GOW stroyline.Meant to be placid stuff, aint it pal?

1)I didn't say the "exrecise of reworking mythology is wrong",in which case I would not have praised Age of Mythologies (if you bothered to read the earlier posts).I felt portrayal of the Gods second game onwards was objectionable and that was strictly my opinion.

2)I have not played Dante's Inferno so possibly can't comment on that.But if that game really have something to hurt follwers of Christianity that's not nice.

3)Republishing and translating is one thing and modication to something else is different.U sure understand that.And how modified or degraded versions of ancient myths can be used to preserve the same (instead of diluting/destroying them) is beyond me.So what a teenager will perceive 50 years on (if the world indeed comes to that)-Zeus was a video game villain? Beowulf romanced Grendel's mom and never killed her? Laughable

4)No Tolkien's work are not compromised in that,but gotta agree he made the job easier for some people (irrespective of their creativity) devising their plots around Elves,Dwarves,Orks,Goblins and all.Of course how entralling the end product becomes depend on the creator.That was my point.

In spite of great gameplay,brilliant graphics and unforeseen action seqences God of War story progressions lacked creativity or purpose IMO and some others too think so as evident from this thread.You may think otherwise and I'm fine with that.So should you be regarding my respect for ancient mythology.

5) It would either take retard or a comatose patient to label the Santa Monica folks "having no creativity".Relax, I am niether.But if you talk about the story,I stand at my point regarding lack of creativity in the story GOW2 onwards as one of us has rightly said franchises stretch the story needlessly for the sake of sequels.

6)You DARE me to say the GOW team they have no creativity??? Fine I dare you to go and tell your most hated celebrity about how much he/she sucks.Never will he he/she run out of chewing gums either.

1. You keep praising Age of Mythology, yes I read your earlier posts. Yet I believe you stated that game having an "accurate portrayal of the gods". First off, you have no idea on the accuracy of ancient culture's gods portrayal so strike one for you. And secondly, gods back in cultures were feared just as much as worshiped, cause human and animal sacrifics, no big deal right? I'm sure they had plenty of sacrifices in theAge of Mythology game.

2. Dante's Inferno was a creative take on hell and its occupants. You most certainly would not like the game, but just because its focus is on christain beliefs, does not mean its insulting such beliefs. Just using them as the foundation for its game.

3. I teach English to 8th graders, and fifty years from now we won't be using video games as references for literature. We don't do that now. You study the myths themselves, in their text or oral tradition forms. So don't try and use that angle saying teenagers only exposure to these myths will be video games and media.

4. Nothing really to comment on that, the topic is pretty much moot.

5. Well where did you want them to go with the story? You have a mentally unstable, brutal, warrior now with the powers of a god. He's not just gonna sit back and let time pass him by. The betrayal of zeus his father and that whole journey for revenge is used in literature and movies all the time. The 3rd story is the same way, zeus betrayed him, and Kratos decides to take extreme lengths to exact his revenge.

6. So the story of God of War is your most hated thing? Really? I know you tried to use celebrity relation but you don't see me creating posts about how [insert celebrity name here] is garbage.

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

Serioussamik

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[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

God of War series should have stopped at God of War 1.Now it's a convoluted mess.Story is literally veering towards "chaos",and becoming too retarded! Kratos mission-destroy everything??? are U serious? Whatever,his agenda was never clear to me after GOW1.

Also on a personal note I am somehow not comfortable about the stupid portrayal of Greek Gods as bosses or opponents.They were deities of a culture and worshipped by people of a certain ethnicity,however long ago.These aspects should be respected however civilized we may be today.That's a personal take though.

unrealtron

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I love the idea.

[QUOTE="Serioussamik"]

[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

First, you overuse the word bastardized.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that reworking and reusing old mythology, beliefs, etc is wrong? I didn't know you were around during ancient Greek times and knew that their culture would get so offended because a video game was made featuring their gods. Ancient myths and faiths should be dealt with carefully? What are they new born infants? I don't know why your opinions are just hitting a nerve but it doesn't make sense why you are trying to be a champion for the proper treatment of mythology and theology? I don't see you complaining one bit over Dante's Inferno, which based itself on christainity. What about the Ramayana? And ancient indian text thats been republished and translated for this generation? If we don't utilize ancient myths and faiths then they fall to ruin and abandonment. So Tolkien created his own world yes. So does every single story ever that uses trolls or elves or dwarves or any of that sort compromising the quality of his works? No. So no creativity huh? I DARE you to walk up to the team that created the god of war series, and any other people who created games that "bastardize" as you so elegantly put it, and tell them they have no creativity. They would chew you up and spit you out.

phantom_blade66

Yep,I overused that term,so apologies.But I see you have not yet grasped the subject which was deteroiration of GOW stroyline.Meant to be placid stuff, aint it pal?

1)I didn't say the "exrecise of reworking mythology is wrong",in which case I would not have praised Age of Mythologies (if you bothered to read the earlier posts).I felt portrayal of the Gods second game onwards was objectionable and that was strictly my opinion.

2)I have not played Dante's Inferno so possibly can't comment on that.But if that game really have something to hurt follwers of Christianity that's not nice.

3)Republishing and translating is one thing and modication to something else is different.U sure understand that.And how modified or degraded versions of ancient myths can be used to preserve the same (instead of diluting/destroying them) is beyond me.So what a teenager will perceive 50 years on (if the world indeed comes to that)-Zeus was a video game villain? Beowulf romanced Grendel's mom and never killed her? Laughable

4)No Tolkien's work are not compromised in that,but gotta agree he made the job easier for some people (irrespective of their creativity) devising their plots around Elves,Dwarves,Orks,Goblins and all.Of course how entralling the end product becomes depend on the creator.That was my point.

In spite of great gameplay,brilliant graphics and unforeseen action seqences God of War story progressions lacked creativity or purpose IMO and some others too think so as evident from this thread.You may think otherwise and I'm fine with that.So should you be regarding my respect for ancient mythology.

5) It would either take retard or a comatose patient to label the Santa Monica folks "having no creativity".Relax, I am niether.But if you talk about the story,I stand at my point regarding lack of creativity in the story GOW2 onwards as one of us has rightly said franchises stretch the story needlessly for the sake of sequels.

6)You DARE me to say the GOW team they have no creativity??? Fine I dare you to go and tell your most hated celebrity about how much he/she sucks.Never will he he/she run out of chewing gums either.

1. You keep praising Age of Mythology, yes I read your earlier posts. Yet I believe you stated that game having an "accurate portrayal of the gods". First off, you have no idea on the accuracy of ancient culture's gods portrayal so strike one for you. And secondly, gods back in cultures were feared just as much as worshiped, cause human and animal sacrifics, no big deal right? I'm sure they had plenty of sacrifices in theAge of Mythology game.

2. Dante's Inferno was a creative take on hell and its occupants. You most certainly would not like the game, but just because its focus is on christain beliefs, does not mean its insulting such beliefs. Just using them as the foundation for its game.

3. I teach English to 8th graders, and fifty years from now we won't be using video games as references for literature. We don't do that now. You study the myths themselves, in their text or oral tradition forms. So don't try and use that angle saying teenagers only exposure to these myths will be video games and media.

4. Nothing really to comment on that, the topic is pretty much moot.

5. Well where did you want them to go with the story? You have a mentally unstable, brutal, warrior now with the powers of a god. He's not just gonna sit back and let time pass him by. The betrayal of zeus his father and that whole journey for revenge is used in literature and movies all the time. The 3rd story is the same way, zeus betrayed him, and Kratos decides to take extreme lengths to exact his revenge.

6. So the story of God of War is your most hated thing? Really? I know you tried to use celebrity relation but you don't see me creating posts about how [insert celebrity name here] is garbage.

1)Strike one? LOl... neways,grow up pal.You were so enraged about the word "accurate"? Fair enough scrap that if doing so comforts you. And no though they had sacrifices in Age Of Mythology I have deep opposition to any forms of sacrifice,so yeah it's a big deal.And did you play Age of Mythology? Apparently no "I'm sure they had....." indiacte so.If so don't post about it as I didn't for Dante's Inferno(since I had know idea about the game).Age of Mythology had an entire setion dedicated to mythology cyclopedia and portrayed Gods who were to be worshipped by villagers for favour during gameplay.A somewhat sane depiction IMO.

2)Again can't comment on Dante's Inferno because yet haven't played it and plan to.If you are most certain on what will I feel after playing it,they should appoint you the "psychic of the year".:P

3)Relax don't need to mention your prof.status in this discussion.This is not that serious sorta discussion.We will not use videogames 50 years as reference but some people might base their concept on them and that happen even today,let alone 50 years on and all.But

4)Likewise.

5)That's another topic altogether.......but if you insist.......In GoW2,why Kratos disobeys Athena who saved him from suicide and made him a god was never clear to me (other than he being a nutcase and all). The story in GOW2 could have had a differenet hero who's now say a follower of Kratos and naturally keeping the mythological inspiration intact could have created a new story altogether.

6)No that's not a most hated thing.But point is if you go making your dissatisfaction clear to bigwigs you may well end up in the trash can (chewed up gum).And I doubt it's a thing you practice.So why bother DARING me to do so?

You jump to conclusions too quickly there buddy. I have played Age of Mythology, and I wish I hadn't. That game was awful comared to Age of Empires III and its expansion packs. Yes the greeks in the game worshipped at the temple for favor, yet the Norse could only gain through battle. Computer character bloodshed in the name of the gods, does that bother you? Did you forget about the precious god powers? Because earthquakes and meteors and lightning storms, all show how vengeful and powerful the ancient people THOUGHT gods were. They prayed to them out of fear so that they would not earn their wrath, but instead their protection and guidance.

Age of Mythology is crap, sorry chief. Use a better game as your frame of reference from now on. I had such high hopes for it too after the amazing ness that was Age of Empires III