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#1 pyromaniac223
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I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.
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#2 Shinedown220
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The way you create and share levels is pretty inovative. The real world physics.
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Been able to share user-created levels with other people through PSN I think is quite amazing:shock:
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I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.pyromaniac223

orly?! kk. yes, it is.

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#5 BZSIN
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Who cares whether it is or whether it isn't? The game will be awesome and that's all that matters.
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I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.pyromaniac223

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

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#7 alwayspureblood
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.jeremiah06

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

I laffed!!

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.jeremiah06

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

Really? I think it will be a great game, a good AAA, but I just don't see what is innovative or revolutionary about it. And I just asked a question, is that really hating?

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.jeremiah06

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

His statement/question was justified, yours was not. It is evolutionary at most but isn't revolutionizing anything. (User created stuff has been around a long time, they are just implementing it a little different.)

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#10 224385652654335052701865008979
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I've been gaming since the 70's. I'm not entirely clear on whether this game is revolutionary or not. All I can say is that it's awesome because users can create their own content. Not just pieces, but an entire level. Having 4 players work in unison to solve a physics problem seems really fun! I could care less really if this breaks some sort of mold. All I know is that I'm going to have a lot of fun playing it. At least that's my expectation now.

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.alwayspureblood

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

I laffed!!

Its true, the Thread was created out of hate, maybe he is one of those I'm so grown up... blah blah LBP sucks, you only like it if your 12... crap. Either they're 16 and want to feel "older" or 40 and bitter, or just so simple minded that killing is all they game for. Either way I'd be in a state of awe if LBP scores less than a 9.

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[QUOTE="alwayspureblood"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.jeremiah06

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

I laffed!!

Its true, the Thread was created out of hate, maybe he is one of those I'm so grown up... blah blah LBP sucks, you only like it if your 12... crap. Either they're 16 and want to feel "older" or 40 and bitter, or just so simple minded that killing is all they game for. Either way I'd be in a state of awe if LBP scores less than a 9.

Dude, he didn't say anything like the crap your saying. 0_0

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If this isn't innovative, NOTHING this gen is. And MGS4 would be debatable.
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If this isn't innovative, NOTHING this gen is. And MGS4 would be debatable. Symphonycometh
...exactly...streamlining creation tools into such easy controls=innnovation especially in a console game...
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#15 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.Duckman5

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

His statement/question was justified, yours was not. It is evolutionary at most but isn't revolutionizing anything. (User created stuff has been around a long time, they are just implementing it a little different.)

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

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#16 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="alwayspureblood"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.Duckman5

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

I laffed!!

Its true, the Thread was created out of hate, maybe he is one of those I'm so grown up... blah blah LBP sucks, you only like it if your 12... crap. Either they're 16 and want to feel "older" or 40 and bitter, or just so simple minded that killing is all they game for. Either way I'd be in a state of awe if LBP scores less than a 9.

Dude, he didn't say anything like the crap your saying. 0_0

That little rant wasn't about him, but people in general.

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innovative or not, it won't matter. LBP will be one of the greatest games ever, and will probably be game of the year
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Is there anything like this on consoles? has there ever been anything like this on consoles?? the Answer is no, for consoles it's a really big step!!
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#19 ash10692
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I'm liking the look of it so far, I'll wait till the full game is out before I decide to buy it or not.
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#20 psyum
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.Duckman5

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

His statement/question was justified, yours was not. It is evolutionary at most but isn't revolutionizing anything. (User created stuff has been around a long time, they are just implementing it a little different.)

i think u are seein the little picture, its all about the small things, if u go" user created content has been around a long time" then i can say well nothing is innovative since pong, cuz video games have been around a long time , and thats not the case, innovation is taking whats already there and twistin it in ways no one though before thats just my opinion

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[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.psyum

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

His statement/question was justified, yours was not. It is evolutionary at most but isn't revolutionizing anything. (User created stuff has been around a long time, they are just implementing it a little different.)

i think u are seein the little picture, its all about the small things, if u go" user created content has been around a long time" then i can say well nothing is innovative since pong, cuz video games have been around a long time , and thats not the case, innovation is taking whats already there and twistin it in ways no one though before thats just my opinion

Someone who is thinking a bit out of the "obvious" box. THANK YOU.
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#22 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="psyum"][QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I've seen quite a few people who have praised LBP for innovative and, in a few cases, revolutionary gameplay and features. What I wan't to know is, what makes it particularly innovative or revolutionary? From what I've seen so far, it doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done before.Symphonycometh

You are just a hater, I constantly see you hating on LBP in the forums.

His statement/question was justified, yours was not. It is evolutionary at most but isn't revolutionizing anything. (User created stuff has been around a long time, they are just implementing it a little different.)

i think u are seein the little picture, its all about the small things, if u go" user created content has been around a long time" then i can say well nothing is innovative since pong, cuz video games have been around a long time , and thats not the case, innovation is taking whats already there and twistin it in ways no one though before thats just my opinion

Someone who is thinking a bit out of the "obvious" box. THANK YOU.

Do I smell an argument?

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This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.
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#24 Symphonycometh
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No it's not an argument. It is me agreeing, so it can't possibly be an argument. :P
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IDK just doesn't seem that great to me. I might get it but doesn't look amazing to me.
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#26 psyum
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No it's not an argument. It is me agreeing, so it can't possibly be an argument. :PSymphonycometh

thank you someone actually agrees with me :P thats a first:P

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This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.pyromaniac223

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.jeremiah06

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.
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No it's not an argument. It is me agreeing, so it can't possibly be an argument. :PSymphonycometh

Yea well you arguing with me now... (^_^)

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#30 psyum
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.jeremiah06

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

so right, even if user created content had been around since the dawn of man, this is a new to implement it, unprecedent level of customization :D

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#31 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.pyromaniac223

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.

Well that's what the gamespot community meant most likely just worded it wrong...

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#32 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.pyromaniac223

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.

Whoops.Whoops two. So you DO agree with him. lol
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#33 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.psyum

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

so right, even if user created content had been around since the dawn of man, this is a new to implement it, unprecedent level of customization :D

I wouldn't exactly asy unprecedented level of customization, Garry's Mod is pretty deep. But on consoles, yeah, LBP wipes the floor with anything else.

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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]No it's not an argument. It is me agreeing, so it can't possibly be an argument. :Pjeremiah06

Yea well you arguing with me now... (^_^)

I figured you'd say that before I made that post. And just as I thought, you replied as predicted. :P It sounded to me you were trying to break my 30 day fast. Shame on you. :P
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#35 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]No it's not an argument. It is me agreeing, so it can't possibly be an argument. :PSymphonycometh

Yea well you arguing with me now... (^_^)

I figured you'd say that before I made that post. And just as I thought, you replied as predicted. :P It sounded to me you were trying to break my 30 day fast. Shame on you. :P

My plan foiled, I'll get you next time...

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I don't think it's as innovative as XNA, but it's pretty damn innovative and pretty user friendly, at least it seems that way.
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#37 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.pyromaniac223

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.

"unique and fresh" Isn't that Innovative?

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[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.pyromaniac223

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.

Duh it's innovative. Why do tards keep asking this question. Name 5 other games that are on the same scale as this game. Only Spore will be more innovative. Stop asking this question too. The game is gonna rock so SHUT UP.

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I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.
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I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.pyromaniac223
OHHH...Can't argue with you until 6 more days...But hold that thought. I have something for you and that logic. :cry:
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.Symphonycometh
OHHH...Can't argue with you until 6 more days...But hold that thought. I have something for you and that logic. :cry:

Heh...Bookmark it and resurrect the thread. I'd enjoy a good argument.

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As do I...which is why these 6 days are gonna be painful. lol
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I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.pyromaniac223

Once agian "something against the trend" Isn't that innovative?

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#44 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]This thread wasn't created out of hate, I just asked a question. I think LBP will be a very fun game that will score a AAA, but I don't think it is revolutionary. It's innovative for consoles, I guess, but level creators have been around for a while. Still won't stop me from buying it.wiidog

The innovation comes from the time it was created not the creation its self. LBP is the flower that's blooming in the field of FPS and sports, that's why its so praised. In this time frame and this state of mind LBP is very revolutionary.

That wouldn't make it revolutionary or innovative, that makes it unique and fresh.

Duh it's innovative. Why do tards keep asking this question. Name 5 other games that are on the same scale as this game. Only Spore will be more innovative. Stop asking this question too. The game is gonna rock so SHUT UP.

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#45 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.jeremiah06

Once agian "something against the trend" Isn't that innovate?

To me, innovative means doing something that has never EVER been done before. Changing something, a mechanic, or anything, so that it is totally unique to that game. Map creators and user generated content have been done before, but not often. LBP is the only attempt in a while at a map creator. It is against the trend in that it isn't an FPS, but it isn't entirely new.
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think of innovative as doing something that hasn't really been done before, and map creators and physics-based platformers have been done before. Unique and fresh means that it's doing something against the trend. At least, that's what it means to me.pyromaniac223

Once agian "something against the trend" Isn't that innovate?

To me, innovative means doing something that has never EVER been done before. Changing something, a mechanic, or anything, so that it is totally unique to that game. Map creators and user generated content have been done before, but not often. LBP is the only attempt in a while at a map creator. It is against the trend in that it isn't an FPS, but it isn't entirely new.

You misunderstand the definition of Innovative, being innovative means: Not the same as what was previously known or done, creative. LBP is indeed innovative the fact that map creators and user created content have been done before doesn't mean LBP isn't innovative. LBP takes everything you've done before, and changes it up with new and fresh ideas, and makes the game more creative then the average creator Sim. I wont go into the content of the game because you could just read the preview, but if you don't see LBP as at least innovative, then no game in the last 5 years has been either.

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While its true that map making and user-created content has been around for a long time, to share it with friends and play with your friends online hasn't been done yet. Also its a 3-D platformer...I am not sure how to explain that but I remember watching a video showing how the guy dodge flaming barrells by literally stepping out of the way...not sure if thats been done before.
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While its true that map making and user-created content has been around for a long time, to share it with friends and play with your friends online hasn't been done yet. Also its a 3-D platformer...I am not sure how to explain that but I remember watching a video showing how the guy dodge flaming barrells by literally stepping out of the way...not sure if thats been done before.Azul_Cobra

yes you can literally have at least 8-9 million different user levels tell me a game that did that before?

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Most PC games....

Garry's mod IMO trumps LBP with depth.

EDIT: LBP isn't innovative just because it does something that is rarely done. LBP doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before.

Most innovation in my opinion occurs within mod communities, not in the game industry. It isn't economically a good idea to take risks with innovation when you can create a title that you KNOW will sell.

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Most PC games....

Garry's mod IMO trumps LBP with depth.

EDIT: LBP isn't innovative just because it does something that is rarely done. LBP doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before.

Most innovation in my opinion occurs within mod communities, not in the game industry. It isn't economically a good idea to take risks with innovation when you can create a title that you KNOW will sell.

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You see garys mod is only HF2 objects (Correct me if I am wrong). LBP is almost anything you can imagine. Also, LBP is a 3-D platformer. Garys mod is a Fps. Big difference genre wise.