Is there such thing as a game being "too hard" for you?

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#1 Symphonycometh
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#2 JKnaperek
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Not with any modern games. With some releases back on the NES days...sure.. Ghosts N Goblins for one. And shinobi on ps2, the final boss pissed me off so much I never beat him.
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#3 nyc05
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No game has ever been too hard for me, but I'll tell you, level 4 tickets on Motorstorm get me pretty frustrated.:cry:

Beating Resistance on superhuman difficulty is proving quite difficult, but I'm getting through it. It's gonna take a while, though.;)

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Sure. NG Sigma was pretty frikkin hard for me but it was fun so I kept playing.

If a game is too hard because of control issues then I might stop playing. Being frustrated is not fun.

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NYC..dude...haha I'm experiencing the same thing with motorstorm. I'm on the 2nd to last ticket racing mudpluggers... omg it's driving me insane. And the other racers don't just race to win, they race to stop you...3 vehicles in front of you slowing down just to prevent you from gaining a position. Great AI.
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#6 Brucisidro92288
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There's definitely a line between challenging and infuriating. I haven't experienced it this generation quite yet, but Shinobi for the PS2 was so incredibly frustrating that I put it down and never picked it back up.
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#7 Silent-Hal
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I haven't played a game that I think was too hard for me, though I have been pretty frustrated by some games. If I don't beat a game it will be either because I don't have time or the game just doesn't appeal to me. I have more of a problem playing easy games than playing hard games.
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#8 jack00
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It's not that a game will be too hard for me, but i just don't have the time and patience that i had before to beat them at the hardest difficulty level.

But games i really like, i normaly try to beat t hem at the hardest difficulty level, like God of war, Gears of war, Contra. I could name alot more but you get my point.

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#9 EvilClown-UK
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MotorStorm has been the hardest for me just got 3 more tickets to do :) but i will do it if its the last thing i do :)
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Most games arent hard, they just need practice or getting used to them, unless of course they are broken. So far, I havent got to a really hard game, unless I choose the hardest level of difficulty.

Most games though arent naturally hard. But there are others that turn out to be harder. JRPGs normally have this moments, specially the SMT saga thats hard for the most part of the game. Some Final Fantasy have bothersome enemies or bosses, as the hated Malboro, or the Bosses that cast Death or Death Lv.

Then there is the hard due to the enemy increasing their skill, as in Winning Eleven or Uncharted.

Then there is the "cheap" hard. The cheap hard happens mostly in Hack and Slash games and fighting games. Where the AI instead of becoming better just blocks all the time and counters. It is even more bothersome when its you who cant block. Games like Dinasty Warriors use this. In hard, the enemies will just block all the time and the hit you when they get the chance, and since its hard, not only do they have more life, but they also hit for more. In NG the harder difficulties have the enemies blocking more and damaging more, but they are not that technically superior. The thing is, one hit damages more than before.

Another game that had the cheap hard was Gears of War. If you turn on Insane, the game transfers hard as damage. The Locust just do the same as in medium but damage more. The same goes for Resistance. In both games the only difference will be that they hit for much more making it hard to survive due to damage and not due to smart AI.

After that, we have the stupid hard, which imo is the worst of all. Its the hardness that will force to:

1-Follow only the way predetermined by the developers as seen in Turok, or in the Belias fight in FFT.

2-The only way to beat me is to level up like crazy. And this goes to RPGs, but not for the side bosses, Im talking about the standard bosses, and here comes Belias again, but I will add to this the final fight in Valkyrie Profile 2. That boss has some really bothersome cheapshots and in the end, its just a clas s 1 stupid hard. Symphony may know what I mean.

So far, the only game that probed a challenge to me was Uncharted and the Max star in PES 08. In Uncharted the AI will act depending on your position and what you are using and will try to flank you, though there are some kamikaze dudes. And in PES 08, the last star (bought only) gives you an AI that adapts to your gameplay and predicts you strategies meaning that you cant do the same play all the time forcing you to adapt your tactic all the time.

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I dunno...good question, I can say this...As a casual gamer, someone who can live all day off of HotShots, I never once played Ninja Gaiden nor rented it simply because of how difficult that I read it was suppose to be. I have a rule, if a game gets to where I feel as if I'm clocking in to work..that game is done for me lol.
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#12 rogerjak
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There are hard games (NGS for example) but not too hard.
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#13 adamatoms
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YES!

I play games to relax and have fun, not get pissed.

ANY game where I die over and over trying to beat a boss or get past a certain part = too hard.

ALL games should have difficulty options. Crank it up if you want or turn it down if you want.

The ABSOLUTE BEST example of a GREAT difficulty scale is OBLIVION. I loved the fact that I could tweak the difficulty so precisely. It was like having 100 levels of difficulty. Also, being able to change it mid game was SO NICE. I could ramp it up a bit for more of a challenge or turn it down if there was a part that was giving me some difficulty. I NEVER ONCE got even annoye with that game. LOVE IT.

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#14 stealth82428
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if i spend a couple months at a spot then it is too hard for me :(
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i could never beat the first level of the terminator game for super nintendo. i couldnt beat the 2nd level of the spider man joins xmen game for super nintendo.

for ps2, i could never do the police milstones in need for speed most wanted on the #1 blacklist guy. but that game was so awesome.

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Yeah the Rubix Cube really gets me mad.
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#17 Afro_Samurai
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I dont think it's a matter of a game being "too hard". I thinks it's more of knowing "when" to react.
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#18 DuhQbnSiLo
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Sigma it got annoying hard
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#19 mazing87
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I look at games that are hard as challenges. I'll eventually get them. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is the most challenging game for me right now. I will eventually finish that game! I don't like easy games.

What I also don't like is when people say that games are bad or that they suck because they can't advance because it's too hard. There's a big difference between a game being challenging/hard and unplayable. Most games I have ever played were playable.

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2-The only way to beat me is to level up like crazy. And this goes to RPGs, but not for the side bosses, Im talking about the standard bosses, and here comes Belias again, but I will add to this the final fight in Valkyrie Profile 2. That boss has some really bothersome cheapshots and in the end, its just a clas s 1 stupid hard. Symphony may know what I mean.

kenshinhimura16

I was going to post, agreeing with what you said on Sigma, cheap hard, but then you bought up a better point: Valkyrie Profile 2. Cheap shots was RIGHT on the dot! The game was already brutal when compared to some other games, but to top it off with a boss whose's cheap attack hurts/kills FAR more than his soul crush, then we have a problem. But I still enjoyed the boss and game because he's among my favorite RPG characters.:)

Thanks for the memories.

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[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

2-The only way to beat me is to level up like crazy. And this goes to RPGs, but not for the side bosses, Im talking about the standard bosses, and here comes Belias again, but I will add to this the final fight in Valkyrie Profile 2. That boss has some really bothersome cheapshots and in the end, its just a clas s 1 stupid hard. Symphony may know what I mean.

Symphonycometh

I was going to post, agreeing with what you said on Sigma, cheap hard, but then you bought up a better point: Valkyrie Profile 2. Cheap shots was RIGHT on the dot! The game was already brutal when compared to some other games, but to top it off with a boss whose's cheap attack hurts/kills FAR more than his soul crush, then we have a problem. But I still enjoyed the boss and game because he's among my favorite RPG characters.:)

Thanks for the memories.

You are welcome, I did enjoy it too, and the game stays as one of my favorites cause I love the story of it. Not to mention that imo it has one of the best endings too.

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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

2-The only way to beat me is to level up like crazy. And this goes to RPGs, but not for the side bosses, Im talking about the standard bosses, and here comes Belias again, but I will add to this the final fight in Valkyrie Profile 2. That boss has some really bothersome cheapshots and in the end, its just a clas s 1 stupid hard. Symphony may know what I mean.

kenshinhimura16

I was going to post, agreeing with what you said on Sigma, cheap hard, but then you bought up a better point: Valkyrie Profile 2. Cheap shots was RIGHT on the dot! The game was already brutal when compared to some other games, but to top it off with a boss whose's cheap attack hurts/kills FAR more than his soul crush, then we have a problem. But I still enjoyed the boss and game because he's among my favorite RPG characters.:)

Thanks for the memories.

You are welcome, I did enjoy it too, and the game stays as one of my favorites cause I love the story of it. Not to mention that imo it has one of the best endings too.

I look back at it now, and I remember liking the characters around the same level as me liking FFX's characters due to their more mature look into things. When heroes answers the final boss:

"Nobody asked you to." That party wins my vote as "Top 5 favorite JRPG party members.

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[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

2-The only way to beat me is to level up like crazy. And this goes to RPGs, but not for the side bosses, Im talking about the standard bosses, and here comes Belias again, but I will add to this the final fight in Valkyrie Profile 2. That boss has some really bothersome cheapshots and in the end, its just a clas s 1 stupid hard. Symphony may know what I mean.

Symphonycometh

I was going to post, agreeing with what you said on Sigma, cheap hard, but then you bought up a better point: Valkyrie Profile 2. Cheap shots was RIGHT on the dot! The game was already brutal when compared to some other games, but to top it off with a boss whose's cheap attack hurts/kills FAR more than his soul crush, then we have a problem. But I still enjoyed the boss and game because he's among my favorite RPG characters.:)

Thanks for the memories.

You are welcome, I did enjoy it too, and the game stays as one of my favorites cause I love the story of it. Not to mention that imo it has one of the best endings too.

I look back at it now, and I remember liking the characters around the same level as me liking FFX's characters due to their more mature look into things. When heroes answers the final boss:

"Nobody asked you to." That party wins my vote as "Top 5 favorite JRPG party members.

I guess that what I liked was that the whole reason he had was just so simple that it may me say wow, finally somebody took the balls to do an bad guy which such a simple reason

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#24 Symphonycometh
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I guess that what I liked was that the whole reason he had was just so simple that it may me say wow, finally somebody took the balls to do an bad guy which such a simple reason

kenshinhimura16

What I love about that simple reason, is that he did big things, schemed big, owned big, talked big, and then makes a huge irony out of it with the smallest wish. lol. LOVE IT!

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#26 AfgZeroVirus
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If i have time sure ill try playing a game on the highest difficulty setting for a challenge. In reality putting it on a harder difficulty means you are going to have to spend more time trying to beat it.
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#27 CellAnimation
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Sure; Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Devil May Cry 3 did my head in. :)
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#28 Roman_Irishman
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Completing EVERYTHING in Dracula X chronicles is hard, I can't beat the alternate level 5. I beat the game on the regular levels but the alt. lv.5 is insane. Symphony isn't as hard as Rondo though.

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There is no modern game that anybody can't beat on the default difficulty. Games are just that easy now.
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#30 C-Himura
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Mostly old school games like NG (the NES ones, not the new ones) I couldn't beat them as a little guy and even today I still struggle when playing some of them. There hadn't been any games from the N64 and PS era till now that I haven't been able to beat.
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#31 vegetattack15
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God of War on God/Titan mode. I still can't get past the Minataur on God mode.

The original Ghosts N' Goblins for NES is to date, the most difficult game I have ever played. Never got past level 4, out of 7.

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Oh yes, there are definitely such things. Nowadays you don't see them so much. But they still happen.codezer0

11 thousand posts? :shock:

Why have I never seen you around these parts?

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#33 GARRYTH
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yes ngs was to hard for the amont of time i spend on games. i have work, family ect. don't have that much time to devote in one game when im on the same level for the 100th time. loved it on easy though.
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#34 khmeranimeguy88
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same the last master for shinobi is soo hard, still havent beat it
Not with any modern games. With some releases back on the NES days...sure.. Ghosts N Goblins for one. And shinobi on ps2, the final boss pissed me off so much I never beat him.JKnaperek
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[QUOTE="codezer0"]Oh yes, there are definitely such things. Nowadays you don't see them so much. But they still happen.Symphonycometh

11 thousand posts? :shock:

Why have I never seen you around these parts?

Simple: I don't usually post in the console specific forums - mostly in PC hardware (by a long shot).
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#36 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

[QUOTE="codezer0"]Oh yes, there are definitely such things. Nowadays you don't see them so much. But they still happen.codezer0

11 thousand posts? :shock:

Why have I never seen you around these parts?

Simple: I don't usually post in the console specific forums - mostly in PC hardware (by a long shot).

My thread an exception. 8)

Are those threads any more...peaceful?

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#37 codezer0
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Are those threads any more...peaceful?

Symphonycometh
Not really. :| Mostly seems like ensuring misinformation doesn't get (too) rampant.
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#38 codezer0
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Are those threads any more...peaceful?

Symphonycometh
Not really. :| Mostly seems like ensuring misinformation doesn't get (too) rampant. Getting help, discussing stuff about hardware and software...
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#39 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

Are those threads any more...peaceful?

codezer0

Not really. :| Mostly seems like ensuring misinformation doesn't get (too) rampant.

It's just about the same then. -_-

Well, thanks for taking the time to stop by.

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you ever played MGS2:S on european extreme? didn't think so.
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Prince of Persia.
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you ever played MGS2:S on european extreme? didn't think so.GUNpoint_

Is the Europe/American versions different? If not, then I can take it all the way until those Metal Gears come in.

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#43 Krusnikzero2
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It all depends on how well the game is put together. If a game is difficult because it has poor platforming, poor controls, bad camera control or whatever, then I would say it's too hard because it's poorly made. Also I would say there's a big difference in difficulty when you consider the mindset of the developer. That is, when they put you in a difficult situation, do they want to punish you or challenge you. For instance, punishment is when a game forces you to replay hours of content you've all ready beaten just so you have another chance to kill the boss or whatnot. That's simply frustrating. However, when a developer wants to challenge you, they give you all the tools you need to kill a boss, get through a difficult area or whatever, and force you to implement those tools in a creative or innovative way. Basically, the gist of what I'm trying to say is that if a developer wants to punish you for failing, it's too hard. If they want to challenge you, they can make it as hard as they want.
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#44 RJLateralus
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Chessmaster... I want to see any one beat the hardest difficult! :P
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#45 s-baller23
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Viewtiful Joe was frustrating but a cool game so that game pretty much contradicts itself.
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Ghost N Goblins that thing is broken !!