Just beat God of War 3... Something didn't make sense (spoilers)

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

Pikminmaniac

Becuase the power was inside him all along...chaotzu

Kratos should have realized that after maybe the second or third god he killed...

[QUOTE="chaotzu"]Becuase the power was inside him all along...Pikminmaniac

Kratos should have realized that after maybe the second or third god he killed...

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="chaotzu"]Becuase the power was inside him all along...lightleggy

Kratos should have realized that after maybe the second or third god he killed...

But Kratos climbed all the way up to the top of Olympus to find that Pandora was guarded by the flame of Olympus so he traveled all the way back down just to open it. If pandora's box was merely holding unimaginable power, they should have said that instead of specifically saying that the box holds the power to kill a god. It's misleading.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

Kratos should have realized that after maybe the second or third god he killed...

Pikminmaniac

But Kratos climbed all the way up to the top of Olympus to find that Pandora was guarded by the flame of Olympus so he traveled all the way back down just to open it. If pandora's box was merely holding unimaginable power, they should have said that instead of specifically saying that the box holds the power to kill a god. It's misleading.

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

Business_Fun

Kratos was pretty much a god himself, and immortal doesn't necessarily mean they can't die. The ancient Greeks never had any notion of their gods being unkillable.

I don't think the ending made sense to me.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="chaotzu"]Becuase the power was inside him all along...lightleggy

Kratos should have realized that after maybe the second or third god he killed...

THis. I don't remember the rest that well, but the whole thing was he couldnt reach Zeus at the top and had to start from the depths of Hell. Epic boss fight with Zeus by the way. the game was amazing graphically and in terms of epic situations and boss fights, but the story kinda went to hell when they made 2.

[QUOTE="Business_Fun"]

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

worlock77

immortal doesn't necessarily mean they can't die.

Immortal means live forever...like by natural causes. Not by being murdered :P. immortals can die, they just art not subject to natural death.

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

Business_Fun

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

Pikminmaniac

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

blabbyboy

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

Pikminmaniac

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

So let me get this straight. The basic plotline for God of War 3 is as follows

-Kratos wants to kill Zeus, but can't

-Kratos needs to open Pandora's box again to gain the power to kill a god

-Kratos then goes on an epic quest and kills almost every god in existence in order to open the box so that he can gain the power to kill a god... Wha?

Something doesn't seem right here. Please enlighten me if I'm getting something wrong.

Pikminmaniac

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

The Story of GOW is really one of the simplest of all time that can be summed up in a single word:

RRRRHHHHHHWWWAAAAHHHHHHHHHHRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"] You should play the other GOW games and it will help you understand a lot better. (GOW 2+3). The storyline isn't that hard to follow.

lightleggy

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

Pikminmaniac

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

As I understood it, Kratos needed Pandora as he could not touch the Flame of Olympus. She would give her life in doing so.

They believed that Kratos had only received the evils from the Great War when opening the box to "kill a god" in the original title. This is why they believed Kratos was defying the Gods when he took the throne as the new God Of War. But in reality he gathered hope, and the evils were released to the gods. Zeus became engrossed in rage, believing Kratos would rise against him as he had done to his father Kronos. This put Zeus into action, to remove his own son from existence by tricking him and killing him.

Pandora gives her life, she was merely a construct, a tool that would have a greater meaning not in life, but death. She helped Kratos see the good in himself, showing him that he had hope all along and that is why he continues to fight. Once realised, he unlocks the power which was buried within him since the end of the first title. They thought the power to kill a god was still locked away in the box, but it was simply buried within Kratos. All along... he had the power to kill not just a god, but THE god.

Hopefully that will clear things up. Makes more sense than the rest of you seem to realise lol.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

Pikminmaniac

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

Athena tells Kratos that he needs more power in order to destroy the "king of all gods" at the beginning of GOW3. At the end of GOW2 Athena even says that Zeus IS Olympus, God after god will deny Kratos, they will protect Zeus, so that Olympus will prevail. Sounds like more than just another god to me.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I played all three games and that plot point is a real problem. All they had to do is say that pandora contains unimaginable power. I don't know why they stuck so closely to "the power to kill a god" thing. Even Kratos whispers it as he opens the box for his second time even though he killed every god that wasn't Zeus already. He of all people should have figured out the box didn't contain that any more. Basically the box contained a "virus" that infected all of the gods (turning them evil) and hope which gave Kratos the power to kill the gods. A power he was only able to access at the very end when he forgave himself... Still doesn't explain his ability to kill all the gods up to that point though. Unless the "virus" that infected the gods weakened them enough for him to kill them... Still doesn't explain why he'd seek the box regardless.

The story is just illogical.

P.S. The "virus" being the evils from the war with the titans that Zeus sealed in pandora's box

Pikminmaniac

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

I just read through the plot of the 3 main games as I admit I was a little rusty (but so far I have not been wrong).

In the first game, Kratos can only defeat Ares when he opens the box, which makes him huge, he then becomes the god of war.

In the second game he is stripped of his godly powers, but he is STILL a demigod (he just hasn't realized yet), he IS Zeus' son, and yes Zeus IS a big deal, im sorry but if you deny this then you are just plain dumb because this is basic greek mythology...Zeus is the king of the gods, the strongest god, the god who managed to beat the Titans when they were at his prime.

The blade of Olympus is imbued with Kratos' former power, that's why they say it can kill a god, all the major gods in the game are killed with the blade of olympus, only demigods and lesser gods are killed without it.

Kratos is told by Athena that the box is again the key to success, and he believes it, you know why? because he had already used it and he saw it for himself, he didn't believed the power of to kill a god to be the magic of hope, he believed that the power to kill a god was like what he saw in the first game when he opened the game, when he grew like 50ft and was empowered by the box's power, he thought this would happen again

The box was surrounded by the flame of olympus which no one not even Zeus could touch without dying, only Pandora could quench the flame.

After this and ONLY after this, Kratos realized he always had the power and so he goes to kill Zeus.

what is so hard to understand? Kratos didn't know he had the power until he saw the box empty, and no he couldn't just realize by killing gods because these were LESSER gods, go read a book about greek mithology and you'll see a big difference between the king of the gods, major gods and lesser gods.

Its like saying that Odin is the father of the gods in his mythology, and Ra is the major god in his.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

WTH is wrong with you? why are you ignoring what everyone else is saying? it's not pointless, we already explained countless of times and you just ignore it to keep extending this argument.

Zeus was THE god, it doesn't matter if Kratos killed the others, they were LESSER gods, genius, you cant split a tiger in half with your hands just because you can choke a kitten, they are both felines but one is obviously a far superior predator.

Is that so hrd to understand? just answer that, if you dont and you ignore this post i'll just take it that you are a troll, and at that point everyone should stop arguing with you.

contracts420

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

Athena tells Kratos that he needs more power in order to destroy the "king of all gods" at the beginning of GOW3. At the end of GOW2 Athena even says that Zeus IS Olympus, God after god will deny Kratos, they will protect Zeus, so that Olympus will prevail. Sounds like more than just another god to me.

Ok, thanks, I must have forgotten those parts as I stopped playing the game for so long. Thanks, that helps considerably as well as the post you wrote before this one.

[QUOTE="contracts420"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You have to admit that that's not the best explanation. They never really say that throughout the series. They always treated gods as gods and mortals as mortals. In the first two games they made a huge deal out of the fact that you cannot kill a god unless either you open pandora's box or use the blade of olympus. Kratos' quests in the first two games were solely to seek out those two items to kill the gods Ares and Zeus respectively. So now you're telling me every god is a lesser god unless it is zeus... They never once hinted that the reason kratos seeks the box again was because Zeus was on an all new level. Also, do you feel it was perhaps a bad idea for kratos to have repeated that he believed pandora's box contained the power to kill a god before he opened it at the end?

Pikminmaniac

Athena tells Kratos that he needs more power in order to destroy the "king of all gods" at the beginning of GOW3. At the end of GOW2 Athena even says that Zeus IS Olympus, God after god will deny Kratos, they will protect Zeus, so that Olympus will prevail. Sounds like more than just another god to me.

Ok, thanks, I must have forgotten those parts as I stopped playing the game for so long. Thanks, that helps considerably as well as the post you wrote before this one.

No problem, hopefully you enjoyed it though. I know you were a big fan of the first two titles. I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on God Of War 3 now that you have completeted it though.

P.S. I just noticed, you are Canadian, me too lol.

The Story of GOW is really one of the simplest of all time that can be summed up in a single word:

RRRRHHHHHHWWWAAAAHHHHHHHHHHRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!

Justforvisit

No one played GOW1 or what?? He opened Pandora's box in the first game to earn the power to kill Ares, So he had the power to kill a God ever since!!

That's why the box was empty in the 3 game.

[QUOTE="Business_Fun"]

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

worlock77

Kratos was pretty much a god himself, and immortal doesn't necessarily mean they can't die. The ancient Greeks never had any notion of their gods being unkillable.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Business_Fun"]

I've always considered the Olympians in God of War to be a pretty sissy bunch. They're supposed to be the immortal, omnipotent rulers of the world and yet they fall like skittles to one angry mortal armed with nothing more than a few sharp pieces of metal. For shame!

Geminon

Kratos was pretty much a god himself, and immortal doesn't necessarily mean they can't die. The ancient Greeks never had any notion of their gods being unkillable.

Not sure if you're arguing with or elaborating on what I said.