[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]i kinda/wanna sell it as well cuz i too am let down..but being that by coughed up $60 for this game, i wont.. im really not that far in (im a lvl 9) but does anyone know if we can customize the cars? ( Vinyl stickers, window tints, etc..)LP4EVA2005Nope, only paint, and you have to buy that as you level up. How's that for six years of dev time? wow, seriously? 6 years in development and they couldnt even add that? what a joke. on second thought, im just gonna trade in this game towards N4S hot pursuit then, Yeah but at least you can upgrade your rims..... on the premium models only. LOL what a joke.
Just sold GT5...
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I wont sell it its still pretty damn fun, but yeah its a bit underwhelming seeing as it looks to be a tad rushed. Lets just prey they update with the issues we are all having.
[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
My roommate has been playing GT4 again, and we both were commenting how we like the way it looks just fine. We use bumper-camera settings so who needs to see the car I'm riding in, what counts is how it HANDLES. People are complainers.
"Oh there's no Porche (woop-dee-do), and the Mercedes only comes in Black, and there's only two of the models neither of which I like and there's no brass plate on the dash in my Enzo proclaiming me the King of Small Junked Men Everywhere... It took six years, no one LOVES ME..."
I agree with the post about wanting a pat on the back or a hug, why do you think we care about how put-upon you feel about the decision to spend your money on a game? Seriously? I think the car that's really missing around here is the Whhhaa-mbulance...
Sell the game and Shut It, already. I'm loving it.
I find it very telling that you accidentally refered to GT5 as GT4.And I find it very telling that you have the mental accuity of a soap dish. I fully INTENDED to say "GT4" because my roommate is PLAYING "GT4", on a PS2, in our living room. Don't try to back me into a corner just because you're feeling less than centered, matey.
Zing!I find it very telling that you accidentally refered to GT5 as GT4.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
My roommate has been playing GT4 again, and we both were commenting how we like the way it looks just fine. We use bumper-camera settings so who needs to see the car I'm riding in, what counts is how it HANDLES. People are complainers.
"Oh there's no Porche (woop-dee-do), and the Mercedes only comes in Black, and there's only two of the models neither of which I like and there's no brass plate on the dash in my Enzo proclaiming me the King of Small Junked Men Everywhere... It took six years, no one LOVES ME..."
I agree with the post about wanting a pat on the back or a hug, why do you think we care about how put-upon you feel about the decision to spend your money on a game? Seriously? I think the car that's really missing around here is the Whhhaa-mbulance...
Sell the game and Shut It, already. I'm loving it.
MonkeySpot
And I find it very telling that you have the mental accuity of a soap dish. I fully INTENDED to say "GT4" because my roommate is PLAYING "GT4", on a PS2, in our living room. Don't try to back me into a corner just because you're feeling less than centered, matey.
So why are you posting on a ps3 thread about GT5, matey? I fail to see how a last-gen game has any bearing on the current discussion. I'm glad you like GT4, perhaps you should head over to the correct forum to discuss it. But good work with the ironically personal insults, they certainly showed you to be the bigger man.
What a disappointment. I can't tell you how excited I was for this game, but I have been let down. How could a game six years in the making lack simple things like the ability to upgrade one's brakes (one of the most important parts of any racing car)? And no Porsche??? I've never, EVER played a racing game without Porsche being represented; they are one of the most revered auto manufacturers in the world for God's sake. Finally, and this is the real kicker, I feel that about 75% of the cars are just a waste. Only the premiums are worth the time or money, and there really aren't that many of them. Does anyone else feel cheated by Polyphony?
sixgears2
So you sold it because of the brakes, and the fact that there is no Porsche. I figured the load times would have made you angrier, haha.
Look on the bright side, you turned a negative into a positive.
I find it very telling that you accidentally refered to GT5 as GT4.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
My roommate has been playing GT4 again, and we both were commenting how we like the way it looks just fine. We use bumper-camera settings so who needs to see the car I'm riding in, what counts is how it HANDLES. People are complainers.
"Oh there's no Porche (woop-dee-do), and the Mercedes only comes in Black, and there's only two of the models neither of which I like and there's no brass plate on the dash in my Enzo proclaiming me the King of Small Junked Men Everywhere... It took six years, no one LOVES ME..."
I agree with the post about wanting a pat on the back or a hug, why do you think we care about how put-upon you feel about the decision to spend your money on a game? Seriously? I think the car that's really missing around here is the Whhhaa-mbulance...
Sell the game and Shut It, already. I'm loving it.
MonkeySpot
And I find it very telling that you have the mental accuity of a soap dish. I fully INTENDED to say "GT4" because my roommate is PLAYING "GT4", on a PS2, in our living room. Don't try to back me into a corner just because you're feeling less than centered, matey.
and you feel the need to insult the guy why? :|
[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"][QUOTE="sixgears2"] I find it very telling that you accidentally refered to GT5 as GT4.sixgears2
And I find it very telling that you have the mental acuity of a soap dish. I fully INTENDED to say "GT4" because my roommate is PLAYING "GT4", on a PS2, in our living room. Don't try to back me into a corner just because you're feeling less than centered, matey.
So why are you posting on a ps3 thread about GT5, matey? I fail to see how a last-gen game has any bearing on the current discussion. I'm glad you like GT4, perhaps you should head over to the correct forum to discuss it. But good work with the ironically personal insults, they certainly showed you to be the bigger man.Good Gawd, ok... let me spell it out for you. I understand that there's a lot going on here and you feel over-stimulated as well as persecuted for your views, but that's not the case. So stop trying to take what I said and turn it into something it's NOT. What I said about GT4 is relevant here because a lot of the criticisms are graphics, specifically the cars which were up-scaled graphically FROM GT4 ("What were they doing for six years if the cars are just cruddy up-scales of previously existing models" blahblahblah), and I remarked as how a game which is six years old (GT4) still looks plenty-nice to myself, and my roommate another player of the series since the PSOne days. We are both fans of the game not for it's amazing detail to COSMETIC sides of the vehicles (Vinyls? After-market body kits? Tint for the windows? Why don't you just go get a "My Pretty Pony" game where you can play dress-up and call it a day?), but to the attention paid when it comes to physics, and emulation of mechanics which are the real heart & soul of racing a car. Not how cool it looks, not how individual it is, but how it FEELS and RACES. I want to know how a Honda Element feels to drive versus how a Scion xB feels, and anyone who has done any sort of REAL racing will tell you that the performance and stability from ride to ride is the most important and telling thing when out on a course. What will beat which, and the "generic" cars, non-exotics, are of genuine interest to those of us who are into SIM RACING.
There's nothing wrong with this game not being your cuppa, and you don't have to justify anything to us... So enough with the belly-ache about how it wasn't what you wanted. Go back to "BurnOut Paradise" or "Mindnight Club" or "WipeOut HD" or "Motorstorm" (all excellent series in their own right), and be happy. And if I have anything to insult you about, I'll talk directly to you and you won't have any question as to who I'm adressing. Otherwise, their words in a VIDEO GAME THREAD, try not to let the world revolve around you too much, gravity can be a ****.
I had Hot Pursuit and got sick of it in not time. Now THAT game is a disappointment. Totally repetitive events, many of which are totally annoying. Your in an open world city like Burnout Paradise, but the events are linear and prevent you from taking different paths. Unlike Burnout Paradise, you cannot level up your driver while in open-world mode. You can switch to an open world mode, but its just to cruise around. Nothing else can be done. After playing Burnout Paradise, Hot Pursuit felt like a tease.I've just sold it too. I'm getting NFS Hot Pursuit. :P
MuddyMilkshake
So why are you posting on a ps3 thread about GT5, matey? I fail to see how a last-gen game has any bearing on the current discussion. I'm glad you like GT4, perhaps you should head over to the correct forum to discuss it. But good work with the ironically personal insults, they certainly showed you to be the bigger man.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
And I find it very telling that you have the mental acuity of a soap dish. I fully INTENDED to say "GT4" because my roommate is PLAYING "GT4", on a PS2, in our living room. Don't try to back me into a corner just because you're feeling less than centered, matey.
MonkeySpot
Good Gawd, ok... let me spell it out for you. I understand that there's a lot going on here and you feel over-stimulated as well as persecuted for your views, but that's not the case. So stop trying to take what I said and turn it into something it's NOT. What I said about GT4 is relevant here because a lot of the criticisms are graphics, specifically the cars which were up-scaled graphically FROM GT4 ("What were they doing for six years if the cars are just cruddy up-scales of previously existing models" blahblahblah), and I remarked as how a game which is six years old (GT4) still looks plenty-nice to myself, and my roommate another player of the series since the PSOne days. We are both fans of the game not for it's amazing detail to COSMETIC sides of the vehicles (Vinyls? After-market body kits? Tint for the windows? Why don't you just go get a "My Pretty Pony" game where you can play dress-up and call it a day?), but to the attention paid when it comes to physics, and emulation of mechanics which are the real heart & soul of racing a car. Not how cool it looks, not how individual it is, but how it FEELS and RACES. I want to know how a Honda Element feels to drive versus how a Scion xB feels, and anyone who has done any sort of REAL racing will tell you that the performance and stability from ride to ride is the most important and telling thing when out on a course. What will beat which, and the "generic" cars, non-exotics, are of genuine interest to those of us who are into SIM RACING.
There's nothing wrong with this game not being your cuppa, and you don't have to justify anything to us... So enough with the belly-ache about how it wasn't what you wanted. Go back to "BurnOut Paradise" or "Mindnight Club" or "WipeOut HD" or "Motorstorm" (all excellent series in their own right), and be happy. And if I have anything to insult you about, I'll talk directly to you and you won't have any question as to who I'm adressing. Otherwise, their words in a VIDEO GAME THREAD, try not to let the world revolve around you too much, gravity can be a ****.
. And again with the insults... Just can't keep it clean, huh? Well, I'm going to ignore the personal stabs and just deal with what you said about the game itself. It is far from unreasonable to expect customization options in a modern racer, sim or not. People enjoy customizing things in racers, it makes the cars feel like their own. Add to that the fact that customization systems have been smash-hit successes in nearly every racer they have been implemented in, and there's really no reason for GT5 not to include a more in-depth system. Secondly, I never complained about the physics. The crashes are way off, but the physics work pretty well. Unfortunately, other games have done car physics correctly without making you dig through cumbersome menus, events you don't like, or archaic licensing mini games before you can really enjoy them, so why would I choose GT over the competition? The game may be about driving, but I still expect a certain level of polish and organization for the rest of it, aspects which are sadly lacking in GT5. Lastly, I have to assume that because you have yet to actually mention GT5 in your rebuttals you have either not actually played the game and are thus basing your opinion strictly on a different title that's 3/4 of a decade old (which is ludicrous, like arguing that the new MoH must be incredible because you thought Frontline looked nice 8 years ago), or that you have played GT5 and found it so uninteresting that you and your roommate have given up on it and gone back to GT4 on an entirely different system. Whichever is the case, your argument is invalid and no amount of cleverly worded personal attacks or insulting ambiguities is gong to change that.
[QUOTE="GTR12"]Thanks, BRO. You're right, I had no idea what a sim racer was until GT5 hit, I've been playing only NFS and Mario Kart for my entire life. Leave the condescension at home next time, I probably have more time logged in sim racers than you do. As far as me not being a car enthusiast, I most certainly am. However, I am also a game enthusiast. GT5 is nothing more than a mediocre to below average gaming experience, so no amount of vehicles or extras (OOOOH, Kart racing!!! How simulation of you!!) can make up for that. If I just wanted to look at pretty cars, I could simply pick up a mag at the grocery store or buy a calender. I want to PLAY my games, though, and a game that forces me to rerace events to the point of tedium, complete absolutely ridiculous liscensing events from last gen, and play modes that I am not interested in to make money (Kart racing and NASCAR are awful and I shouldn't feel obligated to play them to level up, and rally has been done far better elsewhere), is not very fun. You enjoy staring at the cars in the game and not paying attention to what actually makes it a game, no amount of content can make up for the lack of inspiration that sucks the life out of this game.@TC
Great story bro, maybe you could write a blog one day.
Obviously your not a car enthusiast, or you would have given GT5 a go more than a week, thats if you even played it that long. Its not your standard arcade racer, which has a boring linear story, with cars that go around corners at 200kph. Its not a simple racer which anyone can pickup, you need to put in time to learn every car.
sixgears2
I wasted my time, arguing with a 360 fan, going on your profile.
Thanks, BRO. You're right, I had no idea what a sim racer was until GT5 hit, I've been playing only NFS and Mario Kart for my entire life. Leave the condescension at home next time, I probably have more time logged in sim racers than you do. As far as me not being a car enthusiast, I most certainly am. However, I am also a game enthusiast. GT5 is nothing more than a mediocre to below average gaming experience, so no amount of vehicles or extras (OOOOH, Kart racing!!! How simulation of you!!) can make up for that. If I just wanted to look at pretty cars, I could simply pick up a mag at the grocery store or buy a calender. I want to PLAY my games, though, and a game that forces me to rerace events to the point of tedium, complete absolutely ridiculous liscensing events from last gen, and play modes that I am not interested in to make money (Kart racing and NASCAR are awful and I shouldn't feel obligated to play them to level up, and rally has been done far better elsewhere), is not very fun. You enjoy staring at the cars in the game and not paying attention to what actually makes it a game, no amount of content can make up for the lack of inspiration that sucks the life out of this game.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="GTR12"]
@TC
Great story bro, maybe you could write a blog one day.
Obviously your not a car enthusiast, or you would have given GT5 a go more than a week, thats if you even played it that long. Its not your standard arcade racer, which has a boring linear story, with cars that go around corners at 200kph. Its not a simple racer which anyone can pickup, you need to put in time to learn every car.
GTR12
I wasted my time, arguing with a 360 fan, going on your profile.
I happily own all three systems, that doesn't change my analysis of what I consider to be a good gaming experience. Still, if blaming my complaints on fanboyism helps you justify the sub-par robbery that is GT5, more power to you. I would dislike it for the same reasons on any system.
[QUOTE="GTR12"][QUOTE="sixgears2"] Thanks, BRO. You're right, I had no idea what a sim racer was until GT5 hit, I've been playing only NFS and Mario Kart for my entire life. Leave the condescension at home next time, I probably have more time logged in sim racers than you do. As far as me not being a car enthusiast, I most certainly am. However, I am also a game enthusiast. GT5 is nothing more than a mediocre to below average gaming experience, so no amount of vehicles or extras (OOOOH, Kart racing!!! How simulation of you!!) can make up for that. If I just wanted to look at pretty cars, I could simply pick up a mag at the grocery store or buy a calender. I want to PLAY my games, though, and a game that forces me to rerace events to the point of tedium, complete absolutely ridiculous liscensing events from last gen, and play modes that I am not interested in to make money (Kart racing and NASCAR are awful and I shouldn't feel obligated to play them to level up, and rally has been done far better elsewhere), is not very fun. You enjoy staring at the cars in the game and not paying attention to what actually makes it a game, no amount of content can make up for the lack of inspiration that sucks the life out of this game. sixgears2
I wasted my time, arguing with a 360 fan, going on your profile.
I happily own all three systems, that doesn't change my analysis of what I consider to be a good gaming experience. Still, if blaming my complaints on fanboyism helps you justify the sub-par robbery that is GT5, more power to you. I would dislike it for the same reasons on any system.You're being over-dramatic about the game's problems. Whether you truly ever had it or not, you obviously didn't go terribly deeply into it.
Gran Turismo series has actually NEVER had the Porsche license, just RUF.GT5 doesn't have a premium RUF, but it has standard RUF . Then it adds Ferrarri for the first time in the series. I will bet that there will be significant DLC to fill in some of the glaring holes like the Ruf's and Veyron being standard. Not that DLC is the way I wished it would come, but it seems inevitable. Hell I got 6 premium cars just as pre-order bonuses. So they probably are going to be lining those premium models up in the coming months. Probably paid DLC unfortunately.
The standard cars are a disappointment that they had to rely on so many of them to reach 1000 total. But the 200-250 premium cars are surely the most intricately detailed car models in any video game ever (I suppose you didn't check out photo mode, and can't imagine you had much of an assortment of premium cars anyway).
The racing and driver AI absolutely sucks (which is actually the most glaring flaw to me, the actual behavior of the AI might even be worse than GT3 and GT4). But who cares when I'm going to be busy trying to get all golds in the license tests, all gold in the special event challenges, and beating best times in time trials?. That's what this game has always been about anyway. That and collecting and gawking at all the cool cars in your virtual garage.
[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]The standard models aren't all that new, though - they're mostly from GT4 with a sprinkling of GTPSP cars. I've raced all the ones that matter before, and the rest of them I'd never drive (unless I somehow get a hankering to own a dozen different kinds of cappucinos, thirty Skylines, and twenty Miatas.Call me crazy but most of my favorite vehicles like the Lamborghini Countach or RUF BTR YellowBird or Viper GTS are standard vehicles lol :P
I don't care for the premium models really at all...the used car lot is where you see the new and exciting stuff lol
DJ_Lae
I guess I don't care about the "new" models...lol...I pretty much just want to see my favorites in the game somehow or another then I'm happy.
I'd rather drive my '99 Impreza Coupe than the 2010 model.
[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"][QUOTE="sixgears2"] So why are you posting on a ps3 thread about GT5, matey? I fail to see how a last-gen game has any bearing on the current discussion. I'm glad you like GT4, perhaps you should head over to the correct forum to discuss it. But good work with the ironically personal insults, they certainly showed you to be the bigger man.sixgears2
Good Gawd, ok... let me spell it out for you. I understand that there's a lot going on here and you feel over-stimulated as well as persecuted for your views, but that's not the case. So stop trying to take what I said and turn it into something it's NOT. What I said about GT4 is relevant here because a lot of the criticisms are graphics, specifically the cars which were up-scaled graphically FROM GT4 ("What were they doing for six years if the cars are just cruddy up-scales of previously existing models" blahblahblah), and I remarked as how a game which is six years old (GT4) still looks plenty-nice to myself, and my roommate another player of the series since the PSOne days. We are both fans of the game not for it's amazing detail to COSMETIC sides of the vehicles (Vinyls? After-market body kits? Tint for the windows? Why don't you just go get a "My Pretty Pony" game where you can play dress-up and call it a day?), but to the attention paid when it comes to physics, and emulation of mechanics which are the real heart & soul of racing a car. Not how cool it looks, not how individual it is, but how it FEELS and RACES. I want to know how a Honda Element feels to drive versus how a Scion xB feels, and anyone who has done any sort of REAL racing will tell you that the performance and stability from ride to ride is the most important and telling thing when out on a course. What will beat which, and the "generic" cars, non-exotics, are of genuine interest to those of us who are into SIM RACING.
There's nothing wrong with this game not being your cuppa, and you don't have to justify anything to us... So enough with the belly-ache about how it wasn't what you wanted. Go back to "BurnOut Paradise" or "Mindnight Club" or "WipeOut HD" or "Motorstorm" (all excellent series in their own right), and be happy. And if I have anything to insult you about, I'll talk directly to you and you won't have any question as to who I'm adressing. Otherwise, their words in a VIDEO GAME THREAD, try not to let the world revolve around you too much, gravity can be a ****.
. And again with the insults... Just can't keep it clean, huh? Well, I'm going to ignore the personal stabs and just deal with what you said about the game itself. It is far from unreasonable to expect customization options in a modern racer, sim or not. People enjoy customizing things in racers, it makes the cars feel like their own. Add to that the fact that customization systems have been smash-hit successes in nearly every racer they have been implemented in, and there's really no reason for GT5 not to include a more in-depth system. Secondly, I never complained about the physics. The crashes are way off, but the physics work pretty well. Unfortunately, other games have done car physics correctly without making you dig through cumbersome menus, events you don't like, or archaic licensing mini games before you can really enjoy them, so why would I choose GT over the competition? The game may be about driving, but I still expect a certain level of polish and organization for the rest of it, aspects which are sadly lacking in GT5. Lastly, I have to assume that because you have yet to actually mention GT5 in your rebuttals you have either not actually played the game and are thus basing your opinion strictly on a different title that's 3/4 of a decade old (which is ludicrous, like arguing that the new MoH must be incredible because you thought Frontline looked nice 8 years ago), or that you have played GT5 and found it so uninteresting that you and your roommate have given up on it and gone back to GT4 on an entirely different system. Whichever is the case, your argument is invalid and no amount of cleverly worded personal attacks or insulting ambiguities is gong to change that.Where are the horrendous insults? You made an ass out of yourself by assuming (ASSYOUANDME) and just curl into your defensive fetal position...how do you get yourself into this? Just relax not everybody is going to agree with you...in fact not many people are. I would actually bet the majority would disagree with you.
You made the thread now take it like man and just roll with it...you'll get some supportive opinions and lots of negative ones. Just please you don't need to argue if something seems offending. :roll: Its alright we all make fools of ourselves sometimes.
. And again with the insults... Just can't keep it clean, huh? Well, I'm going to ignore the personal stabs and just deal with what you said about the game itself. It is far from unreasonable to expect customization options in a modern racer, sim or not. People enjoy customizing things in racers, it makes the cars feel like their own. Add to that the fact that customization systems have been smash-hit successes in nearly every racer they have been implemented in, and there's really no reason for GT5 not to include a more in-depth system. Secondly, I never complained about the physics. The crashes are way off, but the physics work pretty well. Unfortunately, other games have done car physics correctly without making you dig through cumbersome menus, events you don't like, or archaic licensing mini games before you can really enjoy them, so why would I choose GT over the competition? The game may be about driving, but I still expect a certain level of polish and organization for the rest of it, aspects which are sadly lacking in GT5. Lastly, I have to assume that because you have yet to actually mention GT5 in your rebuttals you have either not actually played the game and are thus basing your opinion strictly on a different title that's 3/4 of a decade old (which is ludicrous, like arguing that the new MoH must be incredible because you thought Frontline looked nice 8 years ago), or that you have played GT5 and found it so uninteresting that you and your roommate have given up on it and gone back to GT4 on an entirely different system. Whichever is the case, your argument is invalid and no amount of cleverly worded personal attacks or insulting ambiguities is gong to change that.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
Good Gawd, ok... let me spell it out for you. I understand that there's a lot going on here and you feel over-stimulated as well as persecuted for your views, but that's not the case. So stop trying to take what I said and turn it into something it's NOT. What I said about GT4 is relevant here because a lot of the criticisms are graphics, specifically the cars which were up-scaled graphically FROM GT4 ("What were they doing for six years if the cars are just cruddy up-scales of previously existing models" blahblahblah), and I remarked as how a game which is six years old (GT4) still looks plenty-nice to myself, and my roommate another player of the series since the PSOne days. We are both fans of the game not for it's amazing detail to COSMETIC sides of the vehicles (Vinyls? After-market body kits? Tint for the windows? Why don't you just go get a "My Pretty Pony" game where you can play dress-up and call it a day?), but to the attention paid when it comes to physics, and emulation of mechanics which are the real heart & soul of racing a car. Not how cool it looks, not how individual it is, but how it FEELS and RACES. I want to know how a Honda Element feels to drive versus how a Scion xB feels, and anyone who has done any sort of REAL racing will tell you that the performance and stability from ride to ride is the most important and telling thing when out on a course. What will beat which, and the "generic" cars, non-exotics, are of genuine interest to those of us who are into SIM RACING.
There's nothing wrong with this game not being your cuppa, and you don't have to justify anything to us... So enough with the belly-ache about how it wasn't what you wanted. Go back to "BurnOut Paradise" or "Mindnight Club" or "WipeOut HD" or "Motorstorm" (all excellent series in their own right), and be happy. And if I have anything to insult you about, I'll talk directly to you and you won't have any question as to who I'm adressing. Otherwise, their words in a VIDEO GAME THREAD, try not to let the world revolve around you too much, gravity can be a ****.
NodakJo2010
Where are the horrendous insults? You made an ass out of yourself by assuming (ASSYOUANDME) and just curl into your defensive fetal position...how do you get yourself into this? Just relax not everybody is going to agree with you...in fact not many people are. I would actually bet the majority would disagree with you.
You made the thread now take it like man and just roll with it...you'll get some supportive opinions and lots of negative ones. Just please you don't need to argue if something seems offending. :roll: Its alright we all make fools of ourselves sometimes.
You honestly just made a post calling me an ass and a fool and then asked me where the insults I'm referring to are? Well played. For an example of how to conduct a civil conversation, look at 2Chalupas post a couple of slots above yours; that is an example of a well-thought out, game-based argument. He didn't feel the need to pull out insults to make his point, and for that I respect his opinion. Yours, not so much. If I am making a fool out of myself by taking apart an argument based on a decade old game that has no relevance to this discussion, then I suppose I need to seriously reconsider my train of thought. Perhaps for my next thread we'll critique Black Ops by looking very, very closely at the original Call of Duty. Or maybe we could take apart Bioshock by playing through Doom 3 again? Come on, if you are going to argue, that's fine. But at least, AT LEAST base your arguments on the same game from the same generation on the same system.I assumed the "GT4" in the original post in question was a typo because it just seemed silly to me that anyone would bring up a game that old in defense of a brand new sequel on different hardware. Clearly, that was incorrect, though I still fail to see why I should care about GT4 when I haven't owned a PS2 for 6 years and have never even remotely referenced the game on this thread.
I happily own all three systems, that doesn't change my analysis of what I consider to be a good gaming experience. Still, if blaming my complaints on fanboyism helps you justify the sub-par robbery that is GT5, more power to you. I would dislike it for the same reasons on any system.[QUOTE="sixgears2"][QUOTE="GTR12"]
I wasted my time, arguing with a 360 fan, going on your profile.
2Chalupas
You're being over-dramatic about the game's problems. Whether you truly ever had it or not, you obviously didn't go terribly deeply into it.
Gran Turismo series has actually NEVER had the Porsche license, just RUF.GT5 doesn't have a premium RUF, but it has standard RUF . Then it adds Ferrarri for the first time in the series. I will bet that there will be significant DLC to fill in some of the glaring holes like the Ruf's and Veyron being standard. Not that DLC is the way I wished it would come, but it seems inevitable. Hell I got 6 premium cars just as pre-order bonuses. So they probably are going to be lining those premium models up in the coming months. Probably paid DLC unfortunately.
The standard cars are a disappointment that they had to rely on so many of them to reach 1000 total. But the 200-250 premium cars are surely the most intricately detailed car models in any video game ever (I suppose you didn't check out photo mode, and can't imagine you had much of an assortment of premium cars anyway).
The racing and driver AI absolutely sucks (which is actually the most glaring flaw to me, the actual behavior of the AI might even be worse than GT3 and GT4). But who cares when I'm going to be busy trying to get all golds in the license tests, all gold in the special event challenges, and beating best times in time trials?. That's what this game has always been about anyway. That and collecting and gawking at all the cool cars in your virtual garage.
How could they miss such a simple thing like upgrading the brakes?
I quite enjoy the game, it is very well made, but you would think after 6 years they could have added something like upgrading the brakes.
You can't even invite people from your friends list to online games, its such a pain in the arse the system they have.
How could they miss such a simple thing like upgrading the brakes?
I quite enjoy the game, it is very well made, but you would think after 6 years they could have added something like upgrading the brakes.
You can't even invite people from your friends list to online games, its such a pain in the arse the system they have.
Yeah, I have yet to mention the MP part of the game since I only spent about an hour with it, but having to type in a 20 digit number to get into a friend's lobby is certainly not the cutting edge of the multiplayer front. Maybe there's another way to do it, but when I was trying to get into a friend's lobby it seemed to be the only sure fire way of actually being able to join him. It's 2010, there's really no excuse for not having an at least functional invite/joining system.[QUOTE="Wuflungdung"]Yeah, I have yet to mention the MP part of the game since I only spent about an hour with it, but having to type in a 20 digit number to get into a friend's lobby is certainly not the cutting edge of the multiplayer front. Maybe there's another way to do it, but when I was trying to get into a friend's lobby it seemed to be the only sure fire way of actually being able to join him. It's 2010, there's really no excuse for not having an at least functional invite/joining system.How could they miss such a simple thing like upgrading the brakes?
I quite enjoy the game, it is very well made, but you would think after 6 years they could have added something like upgrading the brakes.
You can't even invite people from your friends list to online games, its such a pain in the arse the system they have.
sixgears2
they can join your lobby from gt home on your profile...even if you didn't invite, but it sucks if you are trying to invite people that arent on your friends list
I'm not a sim fan and I only played GT3. However GT5 pleases me overall. Maybe it's because I didn't expect much going into it, but I am having fun and I enjoy the game's mechanics. It's not perfect, but I can't help but feel that some people are overblowing the flaws of the game. Everyone who doesn't like that game whom I talked to mention the 6 years dev time, whine about a flaw or two and then rags on about how dissapointed they are because it doesn't cook their breakfast and sing them to sleep. There is an immense sense of entitlement that I don't really understand. I'm not insulting these people (or the TC), but whether people think that the flaws of the game overshadow the goods or not seems to depend on this specific sense of entitlement.
Judging the game on it's own merit, I'd give it a 8.5. However I will not be selling it due to the infinite replay value.
Perhaps, TC, you could have given it a bit more of a chance. Updates are coming, and PD is listening to the feedback.
About the Porsche license, I think it's because EA (who holds the license) doesn't want to give it to GT since they see it as a huge competitor. They gave it to Forza most likely because of 1) MS' cash and 2) Forza is not (sales wise) as big of a threat as GT is.
Also, license tests are optional this time around. I find the special events to be extremely fun. Sure other games may have done them before, but I'd rather have them then not (except maybe those top gear ones :x).
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="Flatbattery"]I don't understand the hate for the standard cars, they're not that bad, I haven't seen a really bad one yet and I've put in at least 25 hours now. As for this whole 5 to 6 year development time, I wish all the haters would understand that PD have produced 5 titles in the last 5 years, GT4 online (test) in 2005, GT HD in 2006, GT5 prologue in 2008, GT PSP in 2009 and GT5 in 2010 with I might add low numbers in staff compared to most developers. I for one can forgive PD for any flaws as GT5 is still excellent, and hopefully will improve, Kaz is listening to the community and already talking improvements.The_Rick_14Don't kid yourself, those games were made to appease fans who were getting anxious about GT5s release date. Their energy was largely spent on GT5. There isn't anything particularly wrong with the standard cars except that they don't look anywhere near as nice as they should. Like I said, spending that amount of time for a game means everything should be perfect. Those cars have aesthetic flaws, like jagged edges, weird textures and poor detailing for crashes. If there were no premium cars in the game, then there would be a LOT more hate being hurled at this game. Premium cars appearing at a 1 to 4 ratio is kind of ridiculous. Why bother having other cars in the game if they're not at the highest quality of detailing? And at such a high volume as well. The premium cars are beautiful, though they also don't accurate portray car damage. But at such an infrequent rate, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. 60 million went into this game, so it's odd that everything isn't as good as it can be. I think people may still be underestimating the amount of man hours it took to create a premium car. I believe the comparison was one full GT4 car was the equivalent of the headlight for one GT5 premium car as far as poly count goes. Maybe it's just me that level of modelling sounds like it would take quite some time to get right. I know I'd rather have 200/800 premium to standard than have 300 premium and not have some great cars in there. Unless it took 6 years worth of manpower to produce those 200 cars, I think that it's fair to say they could have done better. I understand the argument about at least having the standard cars in the game, but you'd think that in a game where graphics are one of the major selling points they would have taken the time to do a little more to them then port them directly from PS2 and give them a small touch-up. I would rather have 300-400 excellent looking cars than a million and one so-so vehicles.
Finally! Somebody gets it!@TC
Great story bro, maybe you could write a blog one day.
Obviously your not a car enthusiast, or you would have given GT5 a go more than a week, thats if you even played it that long. Its not your standard arcade racer, which has a boring linear story, with cars that go around corners at 200kph. Its not a simple racer which anyone can pickup, you need to put in time to learn every car.
GTR12
[QUOTE="GTR12"]Finally! Somebody gets it! Agreed, can't argue with the logic of learning... which clearly no one gets.@TC
Great story bro, maybe you could write a blog one day.
Obviously your not a car enthusiast, or you would have given GT5 a go more than a week, thats if you even played it that long. Its not your standard arcade racer, which has a boring linear story, with cars that go around corners at 200kph. Its not a simple racer which anyone can pickup, you need to put in time to learn every car.
gmaster456
Haven't played it, but I never did want to.
[QUOTE="The_Rick_14"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] Don't kid yourself, those games were made to appease fans who were getting anxious about GT5s release date. Their energy was largely spent on GT5. There isn't anything particularly wrong with the standard cars except that they don't look anywhere near as nice as they should. Like I said, spending that amount of time for a game means everything should be perfect. Those cars have aesthetic flaws, like jagged edges, weird textures and poor detailing for crashes. If there were no premium cars in the game, then there would be a LOT more hate being hurled at this game. Premium cars appearing at a 1 to 4 ratio is kind of ridiculous. Why bother having other cars in the game if they're not at the highest quality of detailing? And at such a high volume as well. The premium cars are beautiful, though they also don't accurate portray car damage. But at such an infrequent rate, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. 60 million went into this game, so it's odd that everything isn't as good as it can be. sixgears2I think people may still be underestimating the amount of man hours it took to create a premium car. I believe the comparison was one full GT4 car was the equivalent of the headlight for one GT5 premium car as far as poly count goes. Maybe it's just me that level of modelling sounds like it would take quite some time to get right. I know I'd rather have 200/800 premium to standard than have 300 premium and not have some great cars in there. Unless it took 6 years worth of manpower to produce those 200 cars, I think that it's fair to say they could have done better. I understand the argument about at least having the standard cars in the game, but you'd think that in a game where graphics are one of the major selling points they would have taken the time to do a little more to them then port them directly from PS2 and give them a small touch-up. I would rather have 300-400 excellent looking cars than a million and one so-so vehicles. I mean it wouldn't have taken 6 years just to produce those cars. Obviously there were other things in play as well, updating tracks, putting the little bit of polish on the 800 standard cars, the weather effects, night racing, interface, etc. I understand and agree that it's fair to say they may have been able to do better, I just think that people aren't really understanding just how much work it takes to make the level of detail models they have with the premium cars. Maybe graphics just aren't as important to me as some people because to me the standard cars haven't taken away from my experience at all and I'd much rather have the amazing level of variety. I would move into your camp if I felt the so-so quality was unacceptable, but I don't feel it is for me. Can't please everyone though, ya know?
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