Kids aren't that bad ?

[QUOTE="Mutt523"][QUOTE="snowman6251"] Which is why I mentioned the exceptions before. Like I said not every kid is a nightmare and a lot of adults can abuse the system as well but its true that children are notorious for it because frankly they've earned their notoriety.

snowman6251

[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="Mutt523"] Kid wasn't an accurate statement for me. More like a mature teenager. I've gone throguh pubity and lost the girlish voice and barely talk at all. I'm pretty easy to be friends with and stuff.Mutt523

Well, I'll tell you this. Age does play a big part. But it's also mentality and intellect.

Back in the Socom 2 days, we were a group that ranged from 25 ~ 40. But there was only one kid there. 13 years old. Never once, did we ever have a problem with him. He was cool, calm and played like the rest of us. No BS, no "n00b" or any of that crap.

There were a few times (rare), that I've come across kids that were pretty decent. That actually made me happy because quite frankly, I don't like little punks with nothing better to do.

Then there are the unintelligent. Which by the sound of their voices, ranged anywhere from 12 to at least mid 20's. They clearly present themselves at the bottom of the intellectual "food chain" every time they open their mouths. I find they usually occupy "the simple games" like those mindless FPS games that even they can figure out.

It just depends. It's all about mentality. I've seen some (40 something) men whine and cry like five year olds. Your body can be any age. It's the age of your brain that counts. Technically, there is no such thing as a "mature" 13 year old, or a "mature" teenager. But there are such things as teenagers having respect and knowing (just like the rest of us smart people who know better) that it's just a video game. Playing to have fun and entertain ourselves.

[QUOTE="BrettB7400"]

Kids + mics = annoying little brats who don't know how to shut up

Mutt523

same here, there was this one 12 or 13 year old who was just talking, then this 18 or 19 year old came and just started mouthing and cursing at him for no reason whatsoever.

Don't tell me age has a thing to do with it, I'm 15 and to my knowledge I've never made anyone mad because of my headset.

[QUOTE="Mutt523"][QUOTE="BrettB7400"]

Kids + mics = annoying little brats who don't know how to shut up

Cody13_2012

same here, there was this one 12 or 13 year old who was just talking, then this 18 or 19 year old came and just started mouthing and cursing at him for no reason whatsoever.

Don't tell me age has a thing to do with it, I'm 15 and to my knowledge I've never made anyone mad because of my headset.

And itsnot just the mic, its thekid shooting the sky giving away your position, the kid throwing flash bangs at you because its funny, the one barking orders at everyone and pretending he's the best. When I play a game thats rated M for mature, I expect to play with gamers who have passed that stage of acting like a kid.

True there are a lot of adults who act like kids, as are a lot of kids who act like adults. There are always exceptions. The difference is that its a lot more likley to have a kid act like a kid, than an adult act like a kid. There are also subjects that kids don't need to know about just yet. Its one thing to act like an adult, its another in actually being one.

One time played RE 5 online.... suddenly someone started talking on the other side..... ''Daddy, can I play RE5?''... ''You suppose to be at school!!''.... ''Ok sorry''..... And then I lostthe connection.:lol:

My parents let me buy M rated games like Diablo when I was 12, that didn't make me violent. If I didn't like the game the store let me return it when I told them my parents didn't want me to play violent games :)

In my opinion, some kids should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. I don't see why a game like Goldeneye 007 is rated T but Doom 3 is rated M... What's the problem with killing demons?

I don't think my parents would've had a problem if I wanted to buy GTA, it's not like you learn bad language or want to kill people from video games.

My parents let me buy M rated games like Diablo when I was 12, that didn't make me violent. If I didn't like the game the store let me return it when I told them my parents didn't want me to play violent games :)

In my opinion, some kids should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. I don't see why a game like Goldeneye 007 is rated T but Doom 3 is rated M... What's the problem with killing demons?

I don't think my parents would've had a problem if I wanted to buy GTA, it's not like you learn bad language or want to kill people from video games.

bloodling

Goldeneye has not blood and doom has like well alot of blood

My parents let me buy M rated games like Diablo when I was 12, that didn't make me violent. If I didn't like the game the store let me return it when I told them my parents didn't want me to play violent games :)

In my opinion, some kids should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. I don't see why a game like Goldeneye 007 is rated T but Doom 3 is rated M... What's the problem with killing demons?

I don't think my parents would've had a problem if I wanted to buy GTA, it's not like you learn bad language or want to kill people from video games.

bloodling

Kids are the best kind of gamer.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

My parents let me buy M rated games like Diablo when I was 12, that didn't make me violent. If I didn't like the game the store let me return it when I told them my parents didn't want me to play violent games :)

In my opinion, some kids should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. I don't see why a game like Goldeneye 007 is rated T but Doom 3 is rated M... What's the problem with killing demons?

I don't think my parents would've had a problem if I wanted to buy GTA, it's not like you learn bad language or want to kill people from video games.

Ninja_Zombie83

I have no sources and never did I say that kids should play M rated games. I said that some kids (meaning preteens) should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. If they become aggressive, it's time to remove those games from them and do sports with them.

By the way I don't see why blood is so bad.

Edit: the people who did this study went way too far when talking about this. Almost all violent people I know don't play video games.

"First is imitation; children who watch violence in the media can internalize the message that the world is a hostile place, he explains, and that acting aggressively is an OK way to deal with it."

Well that can be solved very easily by good parenting

"It's not the violence per se that's the problem, it's the context and goals of the violence,"

We don't play for the "goals of the violence", we play for fun...

Its not the blood so much as it is the guy shooting him in the head and watching blood pour out. It dehumanizes you so that it doesn't become that big of a deal. It plays down a situation that kids might have trouble dicerning from real life. Kid gets in a fight, see's other kid bleeding from the ears. Kid thinks no big deal, he's seen a lot worse so he keeps going. Or kid does a wrestling move on kid sister because he knows wrestling is fake. Sister dies. (true stories btw).

The reason there are ratings is because there arn't good parents who look out for their kids and could care less what they do, what they see or what they play. So we have ratings that make it more difficult for a parent to make that type of choice. Sure there are some bright kids and good parents who buy games based on what they think is right, and thats not the problem.

Art imitates life, and life imitates art. You don't want children imitating every piece of "art" out there though. Since not all parents know whats best, and we have to be "fair" to everyone, sometimes its nessasary to censor who can play and who can't and leave the exceptions to the source of the problem: parents.

The kids who are mature enough to play the M rated games, generally don't have problems getting them. The ratings are designed to make it more difficult for the kids we don't want playing those types of games, from playing them.

Its not the blood so much as it is the guy shooting him in the head and watching blood pour out. It dehumanizes you so that it doesn't become that big of a deal. It plays down a situation that kids might have trouble dicerning from real life. Kid gets in a fight, see's other kid bleeding from the ears. Kid thinks no big deal, he's seen a lot worse so he keeps going. Or kid does a wrestling move on kid sister because he knows wrestling is fake. Sister dies. (true stories btw). The reason there are ratings is because there arn't good parents who look out for their kids and could care less what they do, what they see or what they play. So we have ratings that make it more difficult for a parent to make that type of choice. Sure there are some bright kids and good parents who buy games based on what they think is right, and thats not the problem. Art imitates life, and life imitates art. You don't want children imitating every piece of "art" out there though. Since not all parents know whats best, and we have to be "fair" to everyone, sometimes its nessasary to censor who can play and who can't and leave the exceptions to the source of the problem: parents.Ninja_Zombie83

You're right, but if the parents are actually good at raising children, there shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think video games dehumanizes you, if I see someone getting shot, video games or not, I'll be completely shocked. If I see someone bleeding from the ears I'll know it's serious, I don't think this has anything to do with violent games. Most people who see war as a game don't play video games, they simply were raised that way.

Video games have always become increasingly more violent. Some might say its due to graphics, but you can see games like Friday the 13th on NES and look at God of War and there is a giant leap. Like an addict to a drug, the same thing doesn't continue to satisfy anymore and will need something stronger. Sports are more violent than they were before, you can say things on TV now that couldn't be said 10 years ago, and the same is seen with movies and games. Now when the shock of seeing it happen in a video game becomes dull, what do you do to get that next shock? Its never where voilence is at right now in games, its where its going and how is THAT going to effect people.

Kids may not make the best decision, and neither may the parents. Those who make good decisions won't have any problem getting M rated games to their kids anyways. In my experience from working at a game store for almost 3 years, kids who want a game will get it depending on the price, not the content.

Its not a question of if it does or doesn't, it has. The result is the rating system, and its changed a bit too. More things are allowed into teen games that would have made it mature in the past.

Try and look at it from a different perspective of protecting the game company's from angry parents who had their kid mimic what they saw in a game. Now look at a kid who would have done something stupid had he played the game but couldn't, and what was the consiquences...maybe someone was saved? And what about the kid who would have had fun playing the game and nothing bad happened...but couldn't get the game. He just lost out on some fun. But given the whole picture, its worth it for the mature kid to miss out rather than have something bad happen.

Reading the first guys message wasted 5minutes of my life, thankz...

Video games have always become increasingly more violent. Some might say its due to graphics, but you can see games like Friday the 13th on NES and look at God of War and there is a giant leap. Like an addict to a drug, the same thing doesn't continue to satisfy anymore and will need something stronger. Sports are more violent than they were before, you can say things on TV now that couldn't be said 10 years ago, and the same is seen with movies and games. Now when the shock of seeing it happen in a video game becomes dull, what do you do to get that next shock? Its never where voilence is at right now in games, its where its going and how is THAT going to effect people.

Kids may not make the best decision, and neither may the parents. Those who make good decisions won't have any problem getting M rated games to their kids anyways. In my experience from working at a game store for almost 3 years, kids who want a game will get it depending on the price, not the content.

Its not a question of if it does or doesn't, it has. The result is the rating system, and its changed a bit too. More things are allowed into teen games that would have made it mature in the past.

Try and look at it from a different perspective of protecting the game company's from angry parents who had their kid mimic what they saw in a game. Now look at a kid who would have done something stupid had he played the game but couldn't, and what was the consiquences...maybe someone was saved? And what about the kid who would have had fun playing the game and nothing bad happened...but couldn't get the game. He just lost out on some fun. But given the whole picture, its worth it for the mature kid to miss out rather than have something bad happen.

Ninja_Zombie83

I absolutely agree with that, someone not very bright with absent parents might end up killing someone because of all this violence around him and ratings are necessary, but good parents shouldn't feel the need to be extremely strict about letting their kids play violent games if their kids are smart enough and if they really are good parents.

Because I played pacman as a teen you should be able to play GTA?

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just by looking at your grammar and spelling id find it hard to believe you are very mature unless you have learning disabilities

I think that mature games wont make kids grow up into mindless killing machines lol...

I mean you got loads of violent TV shows, other kids at school will start using swearing and inapropiate words etc. I played GTA and all the games with friends when we were kids and none of us is failing school, taking drugs, being over agresive (i must admit that i am a bit short tempered, but thats passed on from my dad lulz).

[QUOTE="Ninja_Zombie83"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

My parents let me buy M rated games like Diablo when I was 12, that didn't make me violent. If I didn't like the game the store let me return it when I told them my parents didn't want me to play violent games :)

In my opinion, some kids should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. I don't see why a game like Goldeneye 007 is rated T but Doom 3 is rated M... What's the problem with killing demons?

I don't think my parents would've had a problem if I wanted to buy GTA, it's not like you learn bad language or want to kill people from video games.

bloodling

I have no sources and never did I say that kids should play M rated games. I said that some kids (meaning preteens) should be allowed to play violent games if their parents think they're smart enough. If they become aggressive, it's time to remove those games from them and do sports with them.

By the way I don't see why blood is so bad.

Edit: the people who did this study went way too far when talking about this. Almost all violent people I know don't play video games.

"First is imitation; children who watch violence in the media can internalize the message that the world is a hostile place, he explains, and that acting aggressively is an OK way to deal with it."

Well that can be solved very easily by good parenting

"It's not the violence per se that's the problem, it's the context and goals of the violence,"

We don't play for the "goals of the violence", we play for fun...

Yes, its true that certain kids are smart enough to not suck up the violence (personaly i have a problem killing a fly in real life and as i said have been playing violent games for a while). But people dont know when they are smart enough. I mean unless your mom is a shrink, or you yourself know that you wont suck it up i doubt your run of the mill parents would notice that :D

One of the big reasons I'm not interested in online play is the whole idea of 13 year old's swearing like sailors and prattling on about how much everything sucks.

are you seriously just gonna stay on topic or are just going to talk about my grammer it was a quick post

Kids playing M games? WTF.

Warriorboy1990

[QUOTE="Warriorboy1990"]

Kids playing M games? WTF.

toast_burner

Lucky you.

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hey what's up i wanted to make this since it's become a big problem for some gamers. the problem is that children have become a big issue for online play as they can become immature. me as a 15 year old really does dissagree. some peapole say that kids cant play the mature rated games but what i dont get is that the these same peapole that say this played grand theft auto 3 when they were about the age of 12( which some of you know was the face of violent games at the time). i don't see the reasoning to be so causious and mad about this that you would have to complain instantly once you hear a childs voice online. yes i agree parents should be cautios about what they buy for there kids but it's like watching a rated r movie the permision is needed but the entertanment is very compiling. my first game was conker's bad fur day for the n64 i think i was about 6 at the time i really never took violent video games like if it were the real world it was just a hobby and will live with it as long as i live. you were a kid once playing your metal gear solid, golden eye etc.. or your pacman but now these same gamers are giving some harsh words to children? just don't get it. i remeber playing halo 2 and having a puny 10 year old voice but once i have grown my voice changes (of course) then gamers change there minds and respect me cmon thats the stupidist thing i've heard don't like it mute it.

The_punisher23

My 12 year old cousin plays M games and his parents are pretty strict I was kinda surprised they let him

I don't care unless they are being idiots online. I've heard worse 20 year-olds than kids.