Killzone 2 controls... Mediocre?

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#51 Generic_Dude
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Hmm, well I guess I never thought about it then... I do find aiming more difficult in this game than in COD4 and I do have a harder time getting kills than I did in that game, but some games click with me and others don't. I couldn't get kills to save my life in Gears of War for 360, but other people could so I figured it was me... I do alright, if not great, in this game but other people out there are getting insane amounts of kills so I figured, again, it might just be me. That maybe this game just isn't as good a fit for me as COD4 or Rainbow Six Vegas or Halo 3 were.

Next time I throw the game in, I'll have to look at this, though... because now when I don't do so well I can blame the controls like everyone else does!

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#52 Doolz2024
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Hmm, well I guess I never thought about it then... I do find aiming more difficult in this game than in COD4 and I do have a harder time getting kills than I did in that game, but some games click with me and others don't. I couldn't get kills to save my life in Gears of War for 360, but other people could so I figured it was me... I do alright, if not great, in this game but other people out there are getting insane amounts of kills so I figured, again, it might just be me. That maybe this game just isn't as good a fit for me as COD4 or Rainbow Six Vegas or Halo 3 were.

Next time I throw the game in, I'll have to look at this, though... because now when I don't do so well I can blame the controls like everyone else does!

Generic_Dude
if the controls aren't laggy and unresponsive, it's the player that's the problem, if they are as they are is KZ2, then it's the controls. It's a legitimate complaint.
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#53 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

If you don't like the controls change them to alternate 2

Doolz2024

no its not the control layout that bothers me. i use the default scheme. the problem is the lack of responsiveness when you press a button, or move the analog sticks. the input lag simply keeps me from thoroughly enjoying this game, and believe it or not i think its a good game, but the unresponsive controls are what ultimately keep the game from being great. my understanding is that GG wanted the game to have a "weighty" heavy feel to it, which is supposed to be realistic. why worry about that, it's just a game. they should've worried less about realism, and more about responsive controls. i dont know about everyone else but i'll take perfect, responsive controls like cod4 and WaW have anytime over a supposedly more realistic experience.

Oh I see what you are talking about. After the patch I found in game responsivness to be fine, just some problems on the menus.

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#54 mjk400
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There fine. Just play for more than 5 minutes.

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#55 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I think they're fine. As long as you have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs the controls really shouldn't be that difficult.Doolz2024
So you're saying the input lag and unresponsiveness of the controls isn't an issue?

I found them a little difficult at first but I simply got used to them. I think a patch improved them anyway.
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#56 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="thelastguy"] no its not the control layout that bothers me. i use the default scheme. the problem is the lack of responsiveness when you press a button, or move the analog sticks. the input lag simply keeps me from thoroughly enjoying this game, and believe it or not i think its a good game, but the unresponsive controls are what ultimately keep the game from being great. my understanding is that GG wanted the game to have a "weighty" heavy feel to it, which is supposed to be realistic. why worry about that, it's just a game. they should've worried less about realism, and more about responsive controls. i dont know about everyone else but i'll take perfect, responsive controls like cod4 and WaW have anytime over a supposedly more realistic experience.thelastguy

Oh I see what you are talking about. After the patch I found in game responsivness to be fine, just some problems on the menus.

oh god yeah the menus are even more laggy than the controls....ugh

There fine. Just play for more than 5 minutes.

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check my stats on killzone.com, i've played killzone 2 long enough to state my honest opinion of the controls with vaild, legitimate points to back it up.

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#57 NuKkU
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yea i didnt really like the default controls i probably could have gotten use too them but i love the 2nd control layout

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#58 SuperMario254
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going with a realistic feel by weighing down the game was a A+ in my book.. the more realistic it is the more fun i have.. play it over my buddies house all the time (havnt picked up a copy for myself yet... im to cheap) and find the gunplay to be MUCH better then that of any CoD game.
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#59 2beers_in_hand
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[QUOTE="philip6k"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"] some work? they need to be completely redone, as they are very flawed imo. when aiming at a target becomes a hassle, you know something's wrong. oh, and input lag doesn't help things either.Doolz2024
turn up the sensitivity

doesn't help. talk to most anyone that hates kz2's controls and they'll tell you it doesn't help.

Thats because they are spoiled by Call Of Noobie. The biggest problem most people have in not allowing themselves to adjust to the differences in controls. They automatically get mad at KZ2 because they cant own anybody right off the bat.

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#60 2beers_in_hand
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="mjk_1"]I think they make it unique, I like the weighted feel and no auto aim... However, I wish the melee were faster and more like (dear god, am I about to say this?) Halo. Sensitivity can be adjusted.navstar29
Cod4's knifing is the best imo...even KZ2 couldn't get that right unfortunately. :( C'mon, i mean having to press right on the dpad, THEN R1 (Or whatever button you use to shoot) just to knife? :x

Don't mix up melee with knifing, COD4's melee was a knife kill. In KZ2 the knife is another weapon and the melee is a different animation. But you cant compare COD4's melee to KZ2 knife. The controls are fine. I can understand where people are coming from though, but people should try going in without expecting COD4 etc.

QFT the same thing happened with R2 people started whining about the controls weren't close enough to CoD for their liking.

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#61 GodofBigMacs
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Alternate 2 is the best...
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#62 moej88
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the controls are aight for KZ2.

but the best controls for FPS so far are COD4.

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#63 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="philip6k"] turn up the sensitivity2beers_in_hand

doesn't help. talk to most anyone that hates kz2's controls and they'll tell you it doesn't help.

Thats because they are spoiled by Call Of Noobie. The biggest problem most people have in not allowing themselves to adjust to the differences in controls. They automatically get mad at KZ2 because they cant own anybody right off the bat.

call of duty's controls are the best controls I think of any FPS. KZ2's could be, but as I've said throughout this thread, the unresponsiveness of them just kills the experience.
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#64 mjk400
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[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"] doesn't help. talk to most anyone that hates kz2's controls and they'll tell you it doesn't help.Doolz2024

Thats because they are spoiled by Call Of Noobie. The biggest problem most people have in not allowing themselves to adjust to the differences in controls. They automatically get mad at KZ2 because they cant own anybody right off the bat.

call of duty's controls are the best controls I think of any FPS. KZ2's could be, but as I've said throughout this thread, the unresponsiveness of them just kills the experience.

How are they unresponsive? I played 80 hours of the game and not once did they feel unresponsive.

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#65 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"] Thats because they are spoiled by Call Of Noobie. The biggest problem most people have in not allowing themselves to adjust to the differences in controls. They automatically get mad at KZ2 because they cant own anybody right off the bat.

mjk400

call of duty's controls are the best controls I think of any FPS. KZ2's could be, but as I've said throughout this thread, the unresponsiveness of them just kills the experience.

How are they unresponsive? I played 80 hours of the game and not once did they feel unresponsive.

there is no way you can go from playing cod4 or waw, then go to playing kz2 and honestly say the controls are just as responsive and that there is no input lag. No other FPS i can think of suffers from the same type of input lag that KZ2 has. that's what I mean when I say unresponsive controls....because they are.
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#66 mjk400
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[QUOTE="mjk400"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]call of duty's controls are the best controls I think of any FPS. KZ2's could be, but as I've said throughout this thread, the unresponsiveness of them just kills the experience.Doolz2024

How are they unresponsive? I played 80 hours of the game and not once did they feel unresponsive.

there is no way you can go from playing cod4 or waw, then go to playing kz2 and honestly say the controls are just as responsive and that there is no input lag. No other FPS i can think of suffers from the same type of input lag that KZ2 has. that's what I mean when I say unresponsive controls....because they are.

You mean that heavyness feel? Because the controls are just as responsive.

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#67 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="mjk400"] How are they unresponsive? I played 80 hours of the game and not once did they feel unresponsive.

mjk400

there is no way you can go from playing cod4 or waw, then go to playing kz2 and honestly say the controls are just as responsive and that there is no input lag. No other FPS i can think of suffers from the same type of input lag that KZ2 has. that's what I mean when I say unresponsive controls....because they are.

You mean that heavyness feel? Because the controls are just as responsive.

no it's not the heaviness, it's the INPUT LAG! dude, trust me ok. I'm not mindlessly bashing the controls. I tried hard to enjoy this game, I really did, but listen, WHEN AIMING is when it's the worst, using the right stick to aim at somone is next to impossible. No, I don't "suck", check my stats on killzone.com, I'm a decent player, but aiming is just too frustrating for me to deal with, and this is after many hours of playing both the campaign, AND online. When using the sniper rifle it's the worst, and the terrible hit detection doesn't make things any easier. I'm not joking I've shot people online, SAW BLOOD, and then they don't die. WTF? The sniper rifle is supposed to be a OHK weapon. I can recall shooting people in the shoulder or pretty much the chest, and they don't die, yet I've shot people in the legs, and they die. Huh? :?

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#68 mjk400
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[QUOTE="mjk400"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]there is no way you can go from playing cod4 or waw, then go to playing kz2 and honestly say the controls are just as responsive and that there is no input lag. No other FPS i can think of suffers from the same type of input lag that KZ2 has. that's what I mean when I say unresponsive controls....because they are. Doolz2024

You mean that heavyness feel? Because the controls are just as responsive.

no it's not the heaviness, it's the INPUT LAG! dude, trust me ok. I'm not mindlessly bashing the controls. I tried hard to enjoy this game, I really did, but listen, WHEN AIMING is when it's the worst, using the right stick to aim at somone is next to impossible. No, I don't "suck", check my stats on killzone.com, I'm a decent player, but aiming is just too frustrating for me to deal with, and this is after many hours of playing both the campaign, AND online. When using the sniper rifle it's the worst, and the terrible hit detection doesn't make things any easier. I'm not joking I've shot people online, SAW BLOOD, and then they don't die. WTF? The sniper rifle is supposed to be a OHK weapon. I can recall shooting people in the shoulder or pretty much the chest, and they don't die, yet I've shot people in the legs, and they die. Huh? :?

What? You must of got a messed up copy, or just have a bad internet if thats what happens.

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#69 konradak
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I understand opinion and all, but this a little pathetic. I'm a fan of Killzone, but there is input lag. In CoD4 (as an example, since everyone is comparing KZ2 to it), as soon as I tilt the stick, even slightly, my character on screen begins to aim in that direction. In KZ2, there is a LAG, a split second of none-responsiveness where it's like he's hesitating to aim in that direction. It is very apparent and obvious. The first thing I noticed when I popped in this game (besides the amazing opening video) was the graphics, and then as soon as I begin playing I noticed this lag, this tiny little gap where nothing happens when I aim. It doesn't seem like much, but it really is annoying. Sometimes it just really throws me off. And no, no amount of extra minutes will get rid of this input lag. I've put my hours into the game, and again, I LOVE IT. But this lag is just terrible. However, the only reason why I'm even going off about this here is because fan boys want to just plain out deny its existence. I think KZ2 would be nearly perfect game, if this little input lag business was put to rest and eliminated.

Don't deny FACT, it's not an opinion or something to even argue. It's there. You can learn to deal with it, but it doesn't make it go away. BTW I'm not complaining cuz I suck online, because I don't. I'm decent. But don't deny what is true and obvious just to make yourself seem better at a game.

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#70 HarshGamer
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They should've done the controls completely alike the Resistance 2 controller. That's the best controller setup for any FPS.
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#71 CosmoKing7717
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People shall complain about the controls when comparing them to COD4...but then i see that my accuracy is actually higher in killzone 2...so i really have nothing to complain about xD 24% on cod4 and 27 on kz2. I really find the input lag pretty much gone after the patch and the only thing left is the weird acceleration that has always been a part of the game. Maybe the acceleration they put on the controls themselves create the input lag as the guns speed goes from 0 to top speed exponentially...but if it really bothers you so much. the game wasn't made for you. It isn't trying to be a floating camera like CoD4...
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#72 Tikicobra
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This is such an annoying topic. Some people think the controls are ruined, others are willing to accept the changes and live with it. Personally, I love the controls, but people need to realize that we all have different opinions and making constant threads about the subject isn't going to make the controls "better".
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#73 CosmoKing7717
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This is such an annoying topic. Some people think the controls are ruined, others are willing to accept the changes and live with it. Personally, I love the controls, but people need to realize that we all have different opinions and making constant threads about the subject isn't going to make the controls "better".Tikicobra
really it seems to be doolz2024 keeping the thread alive xD
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#74 Doolz2024
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I understand opinion and all, but this a little pathetic. I'm a fan of Killzone, but there is input lag. In CoD4 (as an example, since everyone is comparing KZ2 to it), as soon as I tilt the stick, even slightly, my character on screen begins to aim in that direction. In KZ2, there is a LAG, a split second of none-responsiveness where it's like he's hesitating to aim in that direction. It is very apparent and obvious. The first thing I noticed when I popped in this game (besides the amazing opening video) was the graphics, and then as soon as I begin playing I noticed this lag, this tiny little gap where nothing happens when I aim. It doesn't seem like much, but it really is annoying. Sometimes it just really throws me off. And no, no amount of extra minutes will get rid of this input lag. I've put my hours into the game, and again, I LOVE IT. But this lag is just terrible. However, the only reason why I'm even going off about this here is because fan boys want to just plain out deny its existence. I think KZ2 would be nearly perfect game, if this little input lag business was put to rest and eliminated.

Don't deny FACT, it's not an opinion or something to even argue. It's there. You can learn to deal with it, but it doesn't make it go away. BTW I'm not complaining cuz I suck online, because I don't. I'm decent. But don't deny what is true and obvious just to make yourself seem better at a game.

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*claps* THANK YOU! at least 1 other person in this thread accepts the fact that the input lag IS there.
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#75 Takiwara
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Is it just me or do I not recognize the input lag thats being thrown around in this thread...when I press R1 i shoot and when i turn, i turn....*shrug*
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#76 SuperMario254
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its not input lag.. they designed it that way.. thus it canNOT be lag if it is designed to feel like you are moving a big gun around. (i know what its like to move a gun alone.. not a problem... now put 70 lbs. of armor on that) they did it to add to the realisim feel of the game. and it worked well.. it feels realistic, not like a tiwtchy game ala CoD4
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#77 Doolz2024
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Is it just me or do I not recognize the input lag thats being thrown around in this thread...when I press R1 i shoot and when i turn, i turn....*shrug*Takiwara
yes all that does happen....after a delay And to SuperMario254, so you're saying the game was designed to have input lag, acceleration issues, etc? IF by some chance that was GG's intention, then they messed up bad. Hopefully they get it fixed if there is a KZ3....
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#78 OMG_iTz_Evo
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how about this? get USED TO IT, and play the game like a real freakin gamer! or complain and get your mother !@#$%& head blown OFF!

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How about this... We all are used to it, we still play the game don't we? It is not like we have the option to revamp everything; this is just a thread for inputs and comments... which is exactly what people are doing, so if we complain or not I promise I will still drop you.