Linux Woes

Any ps3 users on these forums feeling totally screwed with the removal of linux support on the ps3?

I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|MAILER_DAEMON

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|GrandJury

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|GrandJury

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|PSP107

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|PSP107

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|JoKeR_421

I'd say it's actually around 8-10%, but still that's not a lot (only a couple million or so...) A lot of people just don't know what Linux was/ didn't know you could install it - until this huge thing started. After I'm sure a lot were disappointed in the same way the previous poster was, he found out more and wanted to try Linux.Linux is a huge selling point to those who are strapped for cash and want a PC or gaming console (think college students) and with the ability of installing another OS it turned the gaming console into a computer for $300/400.

Also there is a possibility of exploiting BC in the PS3 (being able to allow for pirated PS2 games to play would be much easier I think)

And to you're other post: there aren't any viruses on the PS3 (devs have a hard enough time coding for it) and GeoHot was never for piracy, he only wanted to improve accessibility to the PS3's hardware to get better use out of Linux and what-not

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]Well removing Linux might have been a choice to hinder the ability for people to hack the PS3. I am pretty sure your precious PS2 B/C is fine... No I did not use Linux and I don't care that they removed it.GrandJury

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|GrandJury

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|MAILER_DAEMON

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="PSP107"] I actully kinda care now since i saw on youtube what you can do with linux on PS3. So Big FU to Sony and this GeoHot guy.PSP107

Lol in that case you would think sony would KEEP linux support so that they can slow down nintendo's vc sales!

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]Well removing Linux might have been a choice to hinder the ability for people to hack the PS3. I am pretty sure your precious PS2 B/C is fine... No I did not use Linux and I don't care that they removed it.GrandJury

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]"precious PS2 B/C"... What's up with all that disdain? :? I happen to use that feature quite a bit.MAILER_DAEMON

More important question is how many people blame GeoHot instead of Sony?hiryu3

[QUOTE="hiryu3"] More important question is how many people blame GeoHot instead of Sony?jcopp72

I am really pissed about this. Its a big slap in the face by Sony to loyal customers. So yeah maybe their precious PS3 will be hacked. So what? Every other console on the market gets hacked. How is that my problem? They are the ones who built a crackable PS3. So what do they do? Remove a feature that I paid for and use. When SOE screwed everyone over with star wars galaxies I said I would never buy anything that said Sony on it. I should have stuck to that.

So you know what I am going to do? Sell my ps3 with firmware 3.15 and linux installed in a few months when its value has increased. Then I'm going to use all of the money from my accessories and games to beef up my PC then I will be PC gamer for good.

I don't give money to companies that screw me over. I hope they get sued and lose a lot of money. Crooks.

used it once. it had horrible performance. deleted it. In other words the update does not bother me. More important question is how many people blame GeoHot instead of Sony?hiryu3

[QUOTE="hiryu3"]used it once. it had horrible performance. deleted it. In other words the update does not bother me. More important question is how many people blame GeoHot instead of Sony?Izzycles

So a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical. It was going to happen sooner or later. The way that Sony dealt with one little hacker is totally unacceptable and dishonest.

They don't want to lose money on a few pirates so they take back something that people paid for, acting as if I rented my console from them. Sony is the real culprit. They are an arrogant, greedy company with no concern for providing the services that their customers paid for. Its no wonder they are posting losses every month.

Oh yeah and I forgot to mention dishonest. Just a little over a month ago when rumors of removal of "other os" support were circulating they said emphatically that "other os" would NOT be removed by a firmware update. Liars.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]Seriously, most people don't care about Linux. You can still watch videos on your PS3 and browse the net or do a bunch of other amazing things.dameon51

Lol in that case you would think sony would KEEP linux support so that they can slow down nintendo's vc sales!

I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. *you had a rhetorical question here but i accidentally deleted it* :|MAILER_DAEMON

Your conclusion about the potential of a "horrible slippery slope" is based on the assumption that the removal of B/C from earlier PS3 models is the same as the removal of Linux (at least that's what's written between the lines). But that assumption completely ignores the purpose behind the removal of Linux, and because of that, the whole argument becomes flawed.

Linux was removed as preventive measure to combat piracy. That is a legitimate purpose. There was a cause (i.e. hack) and an effect (i.e. removal of hacked feature). So in order for Sony to remove "B/C" from earlier models there would also have to be a legitimate cause and effect. Because so far, there is no evidence that supports that Sony removes features on baseless grounds (i.e for the hell of it).

You are correct about one thing: Sony ultimately decides which features stay and which features go. But, in this particular case, to use the removal of Linux, which was essential to battle piracy, to argue that Sony might start removing all kinds of features that aren't suseptible to piracy/hacks (i.e B/C) doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="Izzycles"][QUOTE="hiryu3"]used it once. it had horrible performance. deleted it. In other words the update does not bother me. More important question is how many people blame GeoHot instead of Sony?Mr_Ditters

So a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical. It was going to happen sooner or later. The way that Sony dealt with one little hacker is totally unacceptable and dishonest.

They don't want to lose money on a few pirates so they take back something that people paid for, acting as if I rented my console from them. Sony is the real culprit. They are an arrogant, greedy company with no concern for providing the services that their customers paid for. Its no wonder they are posting losses every month.

Oh yeah and I forgot to mention dishonest. Just a little over a month ago when rumors of removal of "other os" support were circulating they said emphatically that "other os" would NOT be removed by a firmware update. Liars.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

[QUOTE="Izzycles"] Very few. The majority of comments from users who did use Linux seem to be only cussing Sony. I think i've only seen a couple comments actually blaming the culprit:?Izzycles

So a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical. It was going to happen sooner or later. The way that Sony dealt with one little hacker is totally unacceptable and dishonest.

They don't want to lose money on a few pirates so they take back something that people paid for, acting as if I rented my console from them. Sony is the real culprit. They are an arrogant, greedy company with no concern for providing the services that their customers paid for. Its no wonder they are posting losses every month.

Oh yeah and I forgot to mention dishonest. Just a little over a month ago when rumors of removal of "other os" support were circulating they said emphatically that "other os" would NOT be removed by a firmware update. Liars.

I would support my product and my customers and not screw them over for money because you know what? It would be my fault for putting the flaw into the system in the first place. I certainly wouldnt lie to them one month prior to screwing them over in an effort to clear out old stock.

But that's probably just because I'm honest and believe that their is such a thing as ethics and accountability in business.

Nope, didn't use it and don't care along with over 90% of the PS3's userbase.Flame_Blade88

Nope, didn't use it and don't care along with over 90% of the PS3's userbase.Flame_Blade88

Forgive me but I am the 10% that does. I got my PS3 for not only what the PS3 stod for in terms of games and movies, but I also got it BECAUSE it has that feature. I use mine as a back up in case my main line gets cut and to hear Sony retcon remove the feature that stood proudly all these years has to break some sort of market code or financial law because that is horrid.

I do support them trying to prevent piracy and all, but they can do it without screwing up my Linux. >:(

I wonder if this means future consoles will have no linux support either? Although I never took advantage of the linux feautres of the ps consoles I always appreciated they were there incase I had some extra tinkering time on my hands.

Nope. Never used it.

I wonder if this means future consoles will have no linux support either? Although I never took advantage of the linux feautres of the ps consoles I always appreciated they were there incase I had some extra tinkering time on my hands.

dameon51

I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. What's to keep them from removing my PS2 backwards compatibility when it suits them? :|MAILER_DAEMON

[QUOTE="dameon51"]

I wonder if this means future consoles will have no linux support either? Although I never took advantage of the linux feautres of the ps consoles I always appreciated they were there incase I had some extra tinkering time on my hands.

PhoenixHD

Well when the original ps2 came out it supported linux, then the ps2 slim dropped it, then they brought it back with ps3, for awhile... Maybe the ps4 will have it again?

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. *you had a rhetorical question here but i accidentally deleted it* :|Rakuho

Your conclusion about the potential of a "horrible slippery slope" is based on the assumption that the removal of B/C from earlier PS3 models is the same as the removal of Linux (at least that's what's written between the lines). But that assumption completely ignores the purpose behind the removal of Linux, and because of that, the whole argument becomes flawed.

Linux was removed as preventive measure to combat piracy. That is a legitimate purpose. There was a cause (i.e. hack) and an effect (i.e. removal of hacked feature). So in order for Sony to remove "B/C" from earlier models there would also have to be a legitimate cause and effect. Because so far, there is no evidence that supports that Sony removes features on baseless grounds (i.e for the hell of it).

You are correct about one thing: Sony ultimately decides which features stay and which features go. But, in this particular case, to use the removal of Linux, which was essential to battle piracy, to argue that Sony might start removing all kinds of features that aren't suseptible to piracy/hacks (i.e B/C) doesn't make sense.

I never used Linux, but the fact that they actually removed an advertised feature retroactively (I don't mind them taking things out of models, per se) is a horrible slippery slope. *you had a rhetorical question here but i accidentally deleted it* :|MAILER_DAEMON

Your conclusion about the potential of a "horrible slippery slope" is based on the assumption that the removal of B/C from earlier PS3 models is the same as the removal of Linux (at least that's what's written between the lines). But that assumption completely ignores the purpose behind the removal of Linux, and because of that, the whole argument becomes flawed.

Linux was removed as preventive measure to combat piracy. That is a legitimate purpose. There was a cause (i.e. hack) and an effect (i.e. removal of hacked feature). So in order for Sony to remove "B/C" from earlier models there would also have to be a legitimate cause and effect. Because so far, there is no evidence that supports that Sony removes features on baseless grounds (i.e for the hell of it).

You are correct about one thing: Sony ultimately decides which features stay and which features go. But, in this particular case, to use the removal of Linux, which was essential to battle piracy, to argue that Sony might start removing all kinds of features that aren't suseptible to piracy/hacks (i.e B/C) doesn't make sense.

Well, I actually used Linux on a regular basis. With Linux I was able to use a program that streamed PC games from my PC to my PS3 and allowed me to map the functions of the keyboard and mouse to my sixaxis in any way I wished. This allowed me to use my PS3 and Sixaxis controller to play games like Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, Crysis, Fallout 3 (the good version) and many more on my HDTV withouth having to drag my computer into the the living room. Also, the software will run your games in the background and if your computer is capable another person can still use it for basic functions while you're playing games. I paid $40 for this software and now it is completely useless other than allowing me to map my controller. I'm not mad at Sony. They had to do what they had to do, but it still sucks a big one. TheEldestGod

"a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical"

Oh my... To dissasemble ANYTHING without the permission of the holder is unethical. If you were a PROGRAMMER and your programs gets uncompiled and then modified is unethical. So...

"He was not thinkoing about piracy"... That's worst! Show me ANYTHING COMPUTER-GAMING BASED IN THIS WORLD who has not being used to RUN PIRATED COPIES when they are finally hacked, please... I would pay to know about an example here...

F.

Well, I actually used Linux on a regular basis. With Linux I was able to use a program that streamed PC games from my PC to my PS3 and allowed me to map the functions of the keyboard and mouse to my sixaxis in any way I wished. This allowed me to use my PS3 and Sixaxis controller to play games like Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, Crysis, Fallout 3 (the good version) and many more on my HDTV withouth having to drag my computer into the the living room. Also, the software will run your games in the background and if your computer is capable another person can still use it for basic functions while you're playing games. I paid $40 for this software and now it is completely useless other than allowing me to map my controller. I'm not mad at Sony. They had to do what they had to do, but it still sucks a big one. TheEldestGod

Sweet! Mind sharing what software you used to do this, sounds awesome. Well, less awesome now that there's no linux support, but still.

"a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical"

Oh my... To dissasemble ANYTHING without the permission of the holder is unethical. If you were a PROGRAMMER and your programs gets uncompiled and then modified is unethical. So...

F.

f0361c

This is complete and utter nonsense. Its not unethical to disassemble or tinker with anything you own. You simply void the warranty. Just yesterday I repaired my cell phone by using spare parts from a broken one. Was that unethical because I opened it? When I was a little kid I tore apart my toys and took the motars out and turned it into different projects? Was that unethical? Is it unethical to modify the engine in your car or overclock the CPU on your computer? Nonsense.

You have every right to open your ps3 right now and do what every you want to it. Its yours. We don't rent our ps3's from Sony--we purchased them. Now if he were to infringe on any copyrights or commit piracy, then thats different.

Where does this idea that Sony owns our consoles come from!?!

But you know what is unethical? Selling something to someone, then after the exchange of money has taken place, taking it away because you might lose money on the sale. Thats unethical.

I really don't care that much about it...

[QUOTE="TheEldestGod"]Well, I actually used Linux on a regular basis. With Linux I was able to use a program that streamed PC games from my PC to my PS3 and allowed me to map the functions of the keyboard and mouse to my sixaxis in any way I wished. This allowed me to use my PS3 and Sixaxis controller to play games like Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, Crysis, Fallout 3 (the good version) and many more on my HDTV withouth having to drag my computer into the the living room. Also, the software will run your games in the background and if your computer is capable another person can still use it for basic functions while you're playing games. I paid $40 for this software and now it is completely useless other than allowing me to map my controller. I'm not mad at Sony. They had to do what they had to do, but it still sucks a big one. dameon51

Sweet! Mind sharing what software you used to do this, sounds awesome. Well, less awesome now that there's no linux support, but still.

[QUOTE="f0361c"]

"a kid hacked the PS3 by opening it up and soddering parts together--a kid who was just messing around with hardware that he paid for and didn't break any laws or do anything unethical"

Oh my... To dissasemble ANYTHING without the permission of the holder is unethical. If you were a PROGRAMMER and your programs gets uncompiled and then modified is unethical. So...

F.

Mr_Ditters

This is complete and utter nonsense. Its not unethical to disassemble or tinker with anything you own. You simply void the warranty. Just yesterday I repaired my cell phone by using spare parts from a broken one. Was that unethical because I opened it? When I was a little kid I tore apart my toys and took the motars out and turned it into different projects? Was that unethical? Is it unethical to modify the engine in your car or overclock the CPU on your computer? Nonsense.

You have every right to open your ps3 right now and do what every you want to it. Its yours. We don't rent our ps3's from Sony--we purchased them. Now if he were to infringe on any copyrights or commit piracy, then thats different.

Where does this idea that Sony owns our consoles come from!?!

But you know what is unethical? Selling something to someone, then after the exchange of money has taken place, taking it away because you might lose money on the sale. Thats unethical.

I agree entirely. Uncompiling code and taking a part a ps3 are two different things.